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Why is God's plan never fulfilled? Because some of the things you call plans are actually purposes for creature well-being which they were to indicate a willingness to receive by a cooperation of faith or reject. However, God's plans such as you find in the bruising of the serpent, deliverance of Isreal from Egyptian and Babylonian bondage, Coming of Christ, Resurrection of Christ etc were fulfilled.

EyeHateGod:
Did they work for what they have? or stay at home hoping?

But you just said religion feeds on laziness! Anyone who reads that would think everyone who has a faith is a lazy person. Corollary? Learn to post without these sweeping generalisations. If that was your problem, say it as it is.

Besides, I am yet to find a religion that exhorts faithfuls to, "stay at home hoping" and not work.. If you have ANY such place in the Bible, kindly quote it.

EyeHateGod:
Religion Feeds on our Lazyness

Fallacy 101! There are millions of religious folks who are achievers, what then?

Abdulgaffar22:
Christians believe that it is only the sacrificial blood of Jesus that
can take away our sins i:e it is impossible for the blood of bulls and
goats to take away sins(Hebrews 10:4): yet Leviticus 16:21-30 says " the
GOAT will carry on itself all the sins of Israelites to a remote place and
the man shall release the goat in the wilderness...Then before the LORD,
you will be clean from all your sins". But Christian scholars usually
proclaim that animal sacrifices could only “cover” sins; they could not
take them away; but when Jesus shed his own blood, then the sins were taken
away. But there is no any indication whatsoever in the verse quoted above
that the sins of Israelites were only covered and not completely taken
away. God says : “Then before the LORD, you will be CLEAN FROM ALL YOUR
SINS”. To insist and proclaim that there is a difference between “take away
of sins” and “clean from all sins” is only an attempt to resolve an obvious
and irreconcilable contradiction between Hebrews 10:4 and Leviticus
16:21-30. The only way to resolve this contradiction is when the term “take
away of sins” in Hebrews 10:4 implies complete removal of humanity sinful
nature; and NOT achieving divine forgiveness for already committed sins.
However, complete removal of humanity sinful nature by blood of Jesus is
impossible as nobody can be completely free from committing minor sins; “If
we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in
us ( 1 John 1:”. Besides, if removal of humanity sinful nature is
compulsorily required for salvation and the ONLY WAY to achieve this is by
shedding of Jesus’ blood on the cross, then how did old Testament saints
like Abraham, Moses, Ezekiel, Joshua, Jeremiah etc and their sincere
followers managed to have eternal life? The blood of Jesus can never remove
their sinful nature because these people have already lived and died before
the alleged crucifixion. Again, their already committed sins have been
forgiven through animal sacrifices in the book of Leviticus when God
Almighty declare as follows; THEN BEFORE THE LORD, YOU WILL BE CLEAN FROM
ALL YOUR SINS (Leviticus 16:30). There is no any indication in this very
verse that their sins is only temporarily erased and then would permanently
taken away by blood of Jesus. Therefore, if some set of people among the
children of Adam, who live and die before Jesus arrival, can attain
salvation, righteousness and reconciliation back to God, then is there need
again for just and merciful God to condemn an innocent soul on the cross
before another set of people among the children of the same Adam can attain
similar triumph?

Let's start with this, What do you understand by ETERNAL LIFE?


In passing, is it not a case of being insincere when you open another thread refuting the Blood and here quoting another passage that shows cleansing and atonement made possible ONLY by the Blood?
I refer to this:

Again, their [size=18pt]already committed sins have been
forgiven through animal sacrifices[/size] in the book of Leviticus when God
Almighty declare as follows; THEN BEFORE THE LORD, YOU WILL BE CLEAN FROM
ALL YOUR SINS (Leviticus 16:30)

And you claimed there that the blood (shed by animal sacrifices) had no issue and yet quote here that it was key to cleansing and atonement? It is indeed very hard to kick against the goads.

As per the highlighted why then is this missing in the Quran? By what is remission and atonement received? Does God change?

ROCK100:
If my Saviour and Master, Jesus Christ, would be given such an ovation, my joy will know no bound.
Stay Blessed!

Indeed our Lord, Saviour and Master Jesus deserves, a standing ovation followed by a falling of every knee and confession of every tongue that He is LORD!

Abdulgaffar22:
Christians believe that divine forgiveness and remission of sins can
ONLY be obtained by shedding of blood (Hebrews 9:22): yet in 2nd Chronicles
7:14, God Almighty says “If My people, who are called by My name will
humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked
ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will FORGIVE THEIR SINS and will
heal their land.”.

Error is born when a teaching is based on just one portion alone. Right from the time of Moses this was said:

Leviticus 17:11King James Version (KJV)

11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

That is why Jesus also said:

28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Matthew 26:28

The animal sacrifices in OT (Leviticus) were a pointer to the Final (Matthew)

Again in Isaiah 55:7, God Almighty declares; let the
wicked forsake their ways and the unrighteous their thought. Let them turn
to the LORD; He will have mercy on them, and to our God, for he will FREELY
PARDON. Furthermore, in Ezekiel 33: 10-16, God says; “Son of man, say to
the Israelites; This is what you are saying: our offenses and sins weigh us
down, and we are wasting away because of them. How then can we live? Say to
them: As surely as I live declares the sovereign Lord, I take no pleasure
in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and
live. Turn! Turn from your evil ways! Why will you die, people of Israel?
Therefore, son of man say to your people,… if someone one who is wicked
REPENTS, that person’s former wickedness will not bring condemnation… And
if I say to the wicked person, you will surely die, but they then turn from
their sins and do what is just and right…follow the decree that gives life,
and do no evil--that person will surely live: they will not die. NONE OF
THE SINS that person has committed will be remembered against them. They
have done what is just and right; they will surely live”. You can see that
God did not ask the wicked sinners to shed any blood before their sins can
be forgiven in all these verses. What He actually wants from them is sincere
repentance from their sinful ways. You may be confused with this question;
if forgiveness of sins can still be obtained through prayer and repentance
without the need to shed any blood as stated clearly in these Biblical
verses, then why did God command the people of the old Testament to be
shedding animal blood for atonement of sins in the first instance?

Repentance did not negate the need for shedding of blood. Repentance brings forgiveness but atonement is only possible by the blood. In fact , right from the OT, repentance was normally accompanied with sacrifices.

Basically, the shedding of animal blood for sacrifice does not involve the
condemnation of any innocent and righteous soul because shedding of animal
blood for the purpose of eating their meat or using their skin has already
been made lawful for human being.

I see, so they eat the blood too? This is wrong. This was Moses' inspired writing:

Leviticus 17:11King James Version (KJV)

11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

Therefore, there is nothing wrong if God
decided again to incorporate the shedding of animal blood into the scheme
of sin atonement; moral aspect of divine law is not violated in any way.

When did God, "decided again to incorporate the shedding of animal blood into the scheme
of sin atonement". And did He do it just for fun and with no purpose especially when all the other things He incorporated were pointing to Jesus?

And what do you understand by atonement?

But
shedding of Jesus blood for sacrifice and putting him under the curse of
God on the cross of Calvary (Galatians 3:13) involve physical and spiritual
condemnation of innocent and righteous soul. This physical and spiritual
condemnation of an innocent and righteous soul is a very great violation of
moral aspect of divine law.

Answer this question.

God promised Abraham (and reiterated same to Isaac) that his Seed will be a blessing to the whole World. Who is this Seed and how was this going to be fulfilled?

ROCK100:
Some persons believe this event actually never took place.
Alright! I leave you, dear reader, be the judge.
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Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever -Hebrews 13:8.
He is the ONLY WAY -John 14:6.
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God bless you, and please feel free to share!

This deserves a standing ovation! God bless.

APCsupporter:
What? Both the Injil (though corrupted) and the Qur'an are from Allah so what do you want?

If Allah gave both like you claim:
1. How come one was corrupted and the other was not?

2. What proof do you have that the one was corrupted?

3. On what grounds or against what measure do you base this claim of corruption?

4. Why then did Allah refer you people to the Book if Allah knew it was or will be corrupted?

5. The Gospel is a fulfilment of God's promise to Abraham, that his Seed will be a blessing to the World (not Israel alone), lest you say this referred to Isaac, God reiterate the same promise to Isaac, what then?

6. Why would Allah allow one to be corrupted? Is word preservation a recently acquired ability?

7. Finally, since the Injil is also called the Goodnews, what makes it Good news?

Habiodunz:
Whenever the Dummy comments on a christian post it always annoy me to the last extent

Easy bro, nothing can be done against the Truth but for the Truth. Understand that if people had to swear a forced allegiance before commenting on a Christian thread, that does not make them one, besides, it might limit those who otherwise might have benefited therefrom.

For the muslims, it's not a plus that the founder of NL had to give them a section bound by an oath just to save his life!!! Speaks volumes and is a great reflection on their religion, meaning they are all the same.

Because if other muslims had denounced the ones among them that gave threats, perhaps that section wont be necessary; it will be a case of few bad eggs. However the silent acquiescence of the majority struck terror and that was the only way out.

Methinks they should have seen it this way and come out to ask for integration rather than isolation.

Habiodunz:
How come Muslims have their own personal thread and Christians dont and again i was trying to comment in the section and its asking me a Jamb question whether am a muslim or not ??....Seu:n or whatever you are called, come and defend yourself


#Your thoughts??

Well, Christ's offer of salvation is for all (some may accept others may scorn and reject) hence the founder of NL might have inadvertently acted along that line.

rexben:
I just have a suggestion to make!; pls, change your name from scholar to something else.
Loosing my temper? No, I'm just frustrated at your blindness

okay.

bashir1451:
Do you imply Jesus was only sent to the[b] lordship[/b] of Israel?

No correlation sir between the law being Israel's constitution and this your strange question.

For God so loved [size=18pt]the world[/size], that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16

truthmans2012:
The Canannites were not killed for worshiping another god, God said they were wicked and didn't deserve the good land they were living.

Indeed, and when Israel did the same thing they were driven out by other nations; Justice!

For God so loved [size=18pt]the world[/size], that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:16

malvisguy212:
perfect bro, the people you are teaching, their heart has turn cold, NO matter what you say, they will find fault, your first post has already debunk this thread, his opinion don't count. God bless you my good friend.

Amen, thanks a lot bro.

rexben:
Divine silence? Lol, only christians can be fooled with this because they're gullible.
Now there were some present on that occasion who told him about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mixed with their sacrifices.
Luke 13:1
Was this recorded in the old testament?
Or those eighteen who were killed when the tower in Siloam fell on them, do you think they were worse offenders than all the others who live in Jerusalem?
Luke 13:4
Was this recorded in the old testament?
You're asking me to show you a prophet that was crucified.
It is pointless talking to you. You're just a parrot of Paul.
You need to learn, you think you know much, I'm sorry to say this, you know nothing. Pls, go and learn.

loosing your temper so soon?! Anyway the events recorded in Luke 13 occured at the time of Christ not before. Besides those were neither prophets and apostles nor were they crucified, what then?

rexben:
If you send your brother to run an errand for you, would you call him an errand boy?
Apostle means sent ones. Jesus did not call them sent ones. Simple logic.
Pls, go and learn your bible and English language, you need it to be able to comprehend.
Thanks

answer yes or no!

EyeHateGod:
Scholar8200:
Did Jesus say the same thing to the demoniac that was healed? Did HE not say go back to your family and hometown and testify? Yes, we have the Gospels, but they do not declare a dead Person! He is Alive! What He demands I give up for Him may not be applicable to the other person! For example, Peter forsook his house, but the demoniac (Mark 5:19) was asked to return to his!


Testify? do u know that they are two account of the gosple? one portraying Jesus As Being secretive of His Messianic mission and the Other like u just mentioned him being open about it?
Mar 1:44 And saith unto him, See thou say nothing to any man: but go thy way, shew thyself to the priest, and offer for thy cleansing those things which Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them.
Mar 1:45 But he went out, and began to publish [it] much, and to blaze abroad the matter, insomuch that Jesus could no more openly enter into the city, but was without in desert places: and they came to him from every quarter.

Mark 1 is not the same thing as Mark 5 and the leprous man in Mark 1 is not the same as the demoniac in Mark 5. Besides, secretive and Jesus bid him to go testify??

2) Did the Demoniac wanted to be a deciple or followed of Jesus? like the Christians?

[size=18pt]And when he was come into the ship, he that had been possessed with the devil prayed him that he might be with him.

19 Howbeit Jesus suffered him not, but saith unto him, Go home to thy friends, and tell them how great things the Lord hath done for thee, and hath had compassion on thee.

20 And he departed, and began to publish in Decapolis how great things Jesus had done for him: and all men did marvel.

Mark 5:18-20
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There!That settles it.

Everyone who? Or there differentiates it from AND. Implication? A disciple might be called upon to forsake OR the other for His sake! A may be asked to forsake what B is allowed to have.(strictly as it concerns the items outlined).

Are u still Kidding me?

The records are there to verify from. Was the rich, young ruler commanded to do what the healed demoniac was asked to do?

I believe the answer is clear enough. Besides, you are NOT in the position to adjudicate here since you have NO knowledge of all Christians. That you were once like that or you know some that are like that is no grounds for this fallacious generalisation!

Should i Use Most?

How many of the 'most' do you know inside out?

There you go again. The passage speaks of dressing, shall we stay on that? Besides, not all Pastors fly a private jet hence here the fallacy of hasty generalisation mars your claims.
K let's keep it to dressing! and also keep it to "most" Christians I do watch Tv n church shows N i know what i see!

What is the % of that most to ALL?

There have being myriads of excellent pastors who never flew a personal jet, what then?

Mention them p. s Nigeria only! After that U would then desire if the rest are fake or Not!

This is why I didnt mention any contemporary names in the previous reply. I am not here to praise or denigrate any pastor. God is the Judge.

Where is public worship conducted?
1Co 11:5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with [her] head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

Where is plubic worship mentioned here?

The chapters 11, 12 & 14 dealt with conduct of public worship. Go read them.

This is why we say leave these things alone: Read the Epistles you will get the meaning of what Jesus said.


Why don't U tell me?

Because it is better you read them. Since you could select all those verses in the Op, then apply the same diligence here.

Did Jesus do that when the soldier struck Him? He is the best explanation for the sermon on the mount. Reading the statement in its context clarifies the need to avoid retaliation in all forms.


i asked u A "Christian" a simple question if i slap will u turn the other cheek?

I answered you as it concerns the meaning of the passage and its context QED.

So you see, she prayed in public but not to be seen of men.


So men Don't Go to Church? huh So the Loud speakers Our Churches use in Nigeria to Disturb People Is What? The Ones that those Chosen members where doing acrobatic Display is what?

??

EyeHateGod:
Scholar8200:
spoken to a rich, young ruler who was not yet a disciple but apparently had problem with trust in properties.Does it apply to all Christians? YES. Is that on the same terms? NO. See:

EYE:
So they are Now Terms And Condition to Follow Jesus teachings? Doesn't that sound like Cherry picking to u and Personal view on Things?

Did Jesus say the same thing to the demoniac that was healed? Did HE not say go back to your family and hometown and testify? Yes, we have the Gospels, but they do not declare a dead Person! He is Alive! What He demands I give up for Him may not be applicable to the other person! For example, Peter forsook his house, but the demoniac (Mark 5:19) was asked to return to his!

Sch:
Matthew 19:29
29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

TAKE CAREFUL NOTE OF THE WORD 'OR'. Meaning you must be willing to give up any of these as the need arises. Now here is where your post reeks of fallacy of hasty generalisation in that you speak as one who knows ALL christians all around the world inside out!

Eye:
Common Everyone knows that "Or" has noting to do with what u are implicating it to mean!

Everyone who? Or there differentiates it from AND. Implication? A disciple might be called upon to forsake OR the other for His sake! A may be asked to forsake what B is allowed to have.(strictly as it concerns the items outlined).

Can u gimme some examples of Christians u know that Comply to That?

Many! We have missionaries that forsake their lands and families just to serve Jesus in hazardous climes. Eg, Jim Elliot, William Carey, C.T. Studd (find time to read of this man), and millions of believers home and abroad some who give up well paying jobs and a comfortable life just to serve God. I dont know everybody hence I can only state the ones I have read about. Personally, I have had to give up great prospects of working in a multinational simply because their object clause is incompatible with the Gospel of Jesus which I believe etc.

Sch:
Indeed, and you can only give what is yours; also balancing with the fact that you can only love your neighbour as yourself, not more than yourself. Neither is this a license to serve the covetousness or greed of others but only where a true need exists.

Eye:
What would Jesus do? This post is About Christian Who claim to be Christ like But are Noting Near it If Jesus Balanced It as in Not Loving His Neighbors than he love himself He Wouldn't had Died for Anyone sins! like the Bible made u believe So what point are u trying to drive that they is a limit to be Christ like? or it's just Cherry pick again?

I believe the answer is clear enough. Besides, you are NOT in the position to adjudicate here since you have NO knowledge of all Christians. That you were once like that or you know some that are like that is no grounds for this fallacious generalisation!

Sch:
The passage speaks of the need to avoid extravagance.
Eye:
U mean like the Private Jet Pastors Fly? and mansions they live Or is that not Extravagant Enough?

There you go again. The passage speaks of dressing, shall we stay on that? Besides, not all Pastors fly a private jet hence here the fallacy of hasty generalisation mars your claims.

There have being myriads of excellent pastors who never flew a personal jet, what then?

Sch:
Yes, but they are allowed to prophesy in the Church:
But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
1 Corinth 11:5
This was written concerning public worship.


But not in Church! So why do we See Female Pastors?

Where is public worship conducted?

Sch:
It simply means to mortify. Just show us one report from the Gospels or the Early Church where this was misinterpreted and misapplied like you are advocating.

Eye:
that verse Is kristal Clear Like Clean water! Mortify how?

This is why we say leave these things alone: Read the Epistles you will get the meaning of what Jesus said.

Sch:
This speaks of non-retaliation. Simple.

Eye:
If i slap u will u turn the other cheek? How many Christian does that?

Did Jesus do that when the soldier struck Him? He is the best explanation for the sermon on the mount. Reading the statement in its context clarifies the need to avoid retaliation in all forms.

you missed the whole point as per the highlighted. Hannah prayed in public minus that intention and she was answered.


1Sa 1:12 And it came to pass, as she continued praying before the LORD, that Eli marked her mouth.
1Sa 1:13 Now Hannah, she spake in her heart; only her lips moved, but her voice was not heard: therefore Eli thought she had been drunken.

So you see, she prayed in public but not to be seen of men.

That highlighted part is the source of their condemnation and not all wealthy men are guilty of that. Besides:

17 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;

18 That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate;

1 Timothy 6:17,18

There were rich disciples too!

Mention them

Joseph of Arimathea Matthew 27:57, the other disciples mentioned in Luke 8:2-4

you dont understand this else why did Jesus go into the house of Peter and heal his mother-in-law? Or why would Jesus care for Mary's welfare while on the cross? A better understanding is what you get when He would not interrupt The Father's Work when they came. Love your family, but let your love for God be higher.


Matthew 19:29
29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life

Who? Millions all over the world!!!

I am one of the millions and I know this to be true.

If you want to study the life of Christians let me recommend folks like Samuel Morris, Robert Murray McCheyne, etc The one a black man and the other white. I wont mention any contemporaries for obvious reasons. Oh, not forgetting Helen Ewan.

Amberon:
Lol... Christianity must be giving you sleepless nights.

Your God obsession is waxing stronger. I can only wish you speedy recovery.

You know, atheism or misotheism is just a negative way of acknowledging the void within that only God can fill. They must fight anything that points to Him because ...they have no choice.

no1no2moro:
Qur'an 3:85. And whosoever seeks a faith other
then Islam (- complete submission to the will of
God,) it will never be accepted from him, and he
shall be of the losers in the Hereafter.


Qur'an 5:14. We took the covenant of those
(also) who say, ‘We are Christians;’ but they
have abandoned a good portion of what they
were (reminded of and) exhorted with. So We
have kindled enmity and hatred between (various
sects of) them till the Day of Resurrection. And
Allâh will soon inform them of all their
machination.

Jesus said the Greatest commandment is, "Thou shall Love the Lord Thy God with all thy heart, soul, mind and strength.

Is there any such in the Quran? A call to love Allah so? If yes, quote it. If no, why would the greatest commandment be omitted?

bashir1451:
I was in a comparative study class and I came across this. It left me asking why on earth will sarcastic peace haters mock or try disputing the definition of Islam as peace.

Interestingly, the role is reversed in application today! Besides, God was speaking of the Israelites among Israelites not those other nations.

EyeHateGod:
[size=20pt]Give away every thing u own:[/size]

- Luk 14:33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.
- Luk 18:22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.
- Mat 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go [and] sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come [and] follow me.
- Mar 10:21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

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spoken to a rich, young ruler who was not yet a disciple but apparently had problem with trust in properties.Does it apply to all Christians? YES. Is that on the same terms? NO. See:

Matthew 19:29
29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

TAKE CAREFUL NOTE OF THE WORD 'OR'. Meaning you must be willing to give up any of these as the need arises. Now here is where your post reeks of fallacy of hasty generalisation in that you speak as one who knows ALL christians all around the world inside out!

[size=20pt] Give anything You have to anyone Who ask: [/size]

- Mat 5:42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

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Indeed, and you can only give what is yours; also balancing with the fact that you can only love your neighbour as yourself, not more than yourself. Neither is this a license to serve the covetousness or greed of others but only where a true need exists.

[size=20pt] Women - dont dress up, Fix ur hair or wear jewelry: [/size]

- 1Pe 3:3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward [adorning] of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;

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The passage speaks of the need to avoid extravagance.

[size=20pt] Women should shut up while in church! this one is for my dear anas01 that loves arguing with me! [/size]

- 1Co 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

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Yes, but they are allowed to prophesy in the Church:
But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
1 Corinth 11:5
This was written concerning public worship.

[size=20pt] Do not marry a divorced woman: [/size]

- Mat 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

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Correct! Now that some do it does not mean all approves of it. It is therefore mischievous to generalize.

[size=20pt] Dont marry!: [/size]

- 1Co 7:27 Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife.

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Just a step further: But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned.1 Corinth 7:28a

[size=20pt] Cut off Your hands!: [/size]

- Mat 5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast [it] from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not [that] thy whole body should be cast into hell. anas01 na sharia law be this o! 4evergod1

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[size=20pt] Gouge out your eyes!: [/size]

- Mat 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast [it] from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not [that] thy whole body should be cast into hell.

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It simply means to mortify. Just show us one report from the Gospels or the Early Church where this was misinterpreted and misapplied like you are advocating.

[size=20pt] Return runaway slaves: [/size]

- Phm 1:12 Whom I have sent again: thou therefore receive him, that is, mine own bowels:

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[size=20pt] Never swear an oath: [/size]

- Mat 5:34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's Throne...winner01 u have a problem with this? u and jw?

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Indeed. Have you heard of affirming to the truth instead of swearing at the court?

[size=20pt] Do not defend yourself: [/size]

- Mat 5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

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This speaks of non-retaliation. Simple.

[size=20pt] Do not pray in public: [/size]

- Mat 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites [are]: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, [size=18pt][b]that they may be seen of men[/size]. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
- Mat 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
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you missed the whole point as per the highlighted. Hannah prayed in public minus that intention and she was answered.

[size=20pt] Dont plan for the future: [/size]

- Mat 6:34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day [is] the evil thereof.

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[size=20pt] Dont wear Nice clothes!: [/size]

- Mat 6:28 And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin
- Mat 6:29 And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.

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Taking thought here speaks of worry and anxiety, not planning and preparing.

[size=20pt] The wealthy will be condemned!: [/size]

- Jam 5:1 Go to now, [ye] rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon [you].
- Jam 5:2 Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are motheaten.
- Jam 5:3 Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.
- Jam 5:4 Behold, the hire of the labourers who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of sabaoth.
- Jam 5:5 Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter.

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That highlighted part is the source of their condemnation and not all wealthy men are guilty of that. Besides:

17 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;

18 That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate;

1 Timothy 6:17,18

There were rich disciples too!

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- Luk 14:26 If any [man] come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

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you dont understand this else why did Jesus go into the house of Peter and heal his mother-in-law? Or why would Jesus care for Mary's welfare while on the cross? A better understanding is what you get when He would not interrupt The Father's Work when they came. Love your family, but let your love for God be higher.

Christ like indeed. Abeg who still day buy that stupid lie??

Who? Millions all over the world!!!

rexben:
Did you know that some scripts were missing? What happened between Malachi and Matthew, did you know?
Saying how many prophets was flogged or crucified is borne out of little or no knowledge of the scriptures.
What you called prophecy is not prophecy, it is actually confirmation of prophecy.
You're smart ooo, you dodge my question

interesting! Name one of such books and / or a prophet that was crucified! When history itself testifies that between Malachi and Matthew was about 400 years of Divine silence! Now just to win an argument you allude to that which does not exist for which you have no proof!

Dodge which question? You wont be the first that plays such card here on NL. Maybe you should answer this first: the parable ends with the death of the son does that mean there was no resurrection!

I challenge you, name ONE prophet that ministered between Malachi and Matthew or name one OT prophet that was crucified before Christ, by the Romans.

rexben:
If we reject their witness of Jesus, we reject Jesus himself. But if we reject the witness of Peter of his wisdom, we reject him and Jesus.
Pls, answer my question plssssss

so was Peter right about Acts 1:25? And was Luke right about Luke 6:13!

A quick one! I was just wondering if there is any passage in the Quran where muslims are commanded to love Allah.


I noticed this command comes up in the Law under the OT and Jesus even called it the Greatest of the Law.

rexben:
You snakes, you offspring of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?
Matt 23:33
For this reason I am sending you prophets and wise men and experts in the law, some of whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town,
Matt 23:34
Compare with this;
33 "Listen to another parable: There was a landowner who planted a vineyard. He put a fence around it, dug a pit for its winepress, and built a watchtower. Then he leased it to tenant farmers and went on a journey. 34 When the harvest time was near, he sent his slaves to the tenants to collect his portion of the crop. 35 But the tenants seized his slaves, beat one, killed another, and stoned another. 36 Again he sent other slaves, more than the first, and they treated them the same way. 37 Finally he sent his son to them, saying, 'They will respect my son.' 38 But when the tenants saw the son, they said to themselves, 'This is the heir. Come, let's kill him and get his inheritance!' 39 So they seized him, threw him out of the vineyard, and killed him. 40 Now when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those tenants?" 41 They said to him, "He will utterly destroy those evil men! Then he will lease the vineyard to other tenants who will give him his portion at the harvest."
Matt 21:33-41
Did God send another person after they killed His son according to the parable?

How many of the OT prophets were crucified? Or how many OT prophets were flogged in synagogues? This was a prophecy by Jesus. Besides the parable did not speak of the son resurrecting does that mean He didnt? And after He resurrected did He not say this to the 12:

Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you
John 20:21

Now back to this, Luke 6:13, Jesus called them Apostles! QED.

rexben:
I don't care about what Peter said. All i care about is what Jesus said, Peter will even be judged by what Jesus said.

Hence you are disobeying Jesus Who you claim to be following!

20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also. 27 [size=18pt]and ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.
[/size]John 15:20,27
No believer today can lay claim to being with Jesus from the beginning of His earthly ministry except the 12 hence if we reject their witness, we reject Jesus Himself!

malvisguy212:
Happy to know that you are alright. God bless you.

Amen, and you too.

malvisguy212:
weldon bro, long time.

Thanks , indeed. I have been hyper-busy.

Now rexben, would you like to correct Peter here:

That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.

26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.
ACts 1: 25,26

Remember that there were 120 people in that upper room.

rexben:
Christians will do everything to disobey Jesus and obey Paul. Paultians

And folks like you will do everything to exalt your opinions above the word, you better REPENT!!!!