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MightySparrow:
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
Rom 14:5-6


If in the wisdom of early believers, tgey agreed on Sunday to worsbip fine. What Sabbathwas to the Jews is not what it is for Chriztians today. Jesus Himself is our Sabbath.





9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
Heb 4:9-11

This settles it.

Alhaamidy93:
[color=#006600][/color].if we look at mark 12:29 it's referring to the oneness of God which is similar to qura'n verse 4:171. any objections?

Dont overlook this latter parts:
36 David himself, speaking by the Holy Spirit, declared:
“‘The Lord said to my Lord:
“Sit at my right hand
until I put your enemies
under your feet.”’ [ h ]
37 David himself calls him ‘Lord.’ How then can he be his son?”
Mark 12:36,37

Why did David call the Messiah his Lord?

dedons:
Please I need direction to locate this address from Oshodi.

Kofo Abayomi Avenue, Apapa, Lagos.

Thank you.

https://www.google.com.ng/maps/dir/Oshodi-Isolo/Kofo+Abayomi+Avenue/@6.4751909,3.2997534,13z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x103b8e6f4345b54d:0xed035f8c6abc49c5!2m2!1d3.3086778!2d6.5141929!1m5!1m1!1s0x103b8bad9b6911d5:0x92d2e03ad07c3ef1!2m2!1d3.370622!2d6.4431295

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domido:
He' has been found. tank u for the concern.

we thank God!

ojobolinda:
Just want to confirm sumtin important. Do Deeper Life members speak in tongues?

In private

Afonjas:
Haven doesn't exist

What's that in the picture, a scroll?

minifuworld:
i dont know that am discusing with antichrist all these while

I noticed the highlighted. Do you know who the current antichrists are?

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1 John 2:22

This is so because Jesus had said,

All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
[/b]Matthew 11:27

Hence to deny the Son for Who HE is, is to be anti-Messiah.

Auki:
The Jesus (peace be on him), I know, whom I love as a Muslim, came to confirm a simple message-No brain gymnastic.

1.There is only ONE God, whom all depend. He begets not, nor is He begotten; And none is like Him.

This was NOT faintly alluded to by ANY prophet, why did He suddenly have a problem with this if truly HE said so?

2.He Jesus (peace be on him), like all messengers, was a prophet send only to convey the message of glad tiding [/b]to believers and warning of dire punishment to unbelievers

Good, glad tidings of what? (dont tell me the law, they had that already!)

. He never ascribe any divinity to himself, as either GOD, Son or operating partnership with God( trinity).

Was John the baptist mistaken when he said of Jesus:
[b]He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.John 3:31


and

John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
John 1:15

Later scribe exaggerated and invented Jesus divinity. Do your research it is actually worth doing.

Peace be on you(the reader)[b][/b]

Which scribe? Give proofs. Even the OT prophets and people believed in the Triune Nature of God!

mustymatic:
Jesus rebuts the false charge of his enemies that he was ambiguous in his claims to being the Messiah that they were waiting for. He says that he did tell them clearly enough, yet they would not listen to him,

25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and you believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And [size=18pt]I give unto them eternal life[/size]; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man PLUCK THEM OUT OF MY HAND.
29 My Father which gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to PLUCK THEM OUT OF MY FATHER'S HAND.

How can anyone be so blind as not to see the exactness of the ending of the last two verses.

You need to deal with the beam in yours first. Here Jesus plainly says HE gives Eternal Life, no prophet ever said such.

But spiritual blinkers are more impervious than physical
defects. He is telling the Jews and recording for posterity, the real unity or relationship between the Father and the son.
The most crucial verse -
30 I and my Father are one.

One in what? In their Omniscience? In their Nature? In their Omnipotence? No! One in purpose! That once a believer has accepted faith, the Messenger sees to it that he remains in faith, and God Almighty also sees to it that he remains in faith. This is the purpose of the "Father" AND the "son" AND the "Holy Ghost" AND of every man AND every woman of faith.

Have you never read this prayer:

These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, [size=18pt]Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son[/size], that thy Son also may glorify thee:

5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee [/b]before the world was.

John 17:1,5

Note that HE did not say the Glory I had from Thee like it was a gift granted but rather a Virtue shared from Eternity past!

You speak of blinders, well then perhaps you need to deal with yours too since you simply ignored Jesus reference to GOD as Father. NO PROPHET BEFORE JESUS EVER MADE THAT ASSERTION!!!

John explain his Gnostic mystic words:

That they all may be ONE; as thou. Father, art in
me, and I in thee, that they also may be ONE in us...
I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made
perfect in ONE . . .
John 17:20-22

oga, that was Jesus praying. It is strange that when you quoted chapter 5, you knew it was Jesus talking, how come you dont know Who was speaking in chapter 17?

nd according to your own bible God has sons
by the tons, can they all be gods?
Can't you see that in the language of the Jew, every righteous person, every Tom, Dick and Harry who followed the Will and Plan of God, was a SON OF
GOD. It was a metaphorical descriptive term, commonly used among the Jews. [b]

This is NOT true.

"...Adam, which was the SON OF GOD."
Luke 3:38
"That the SONS OF GOD saw the daughters of men that they were fair...
"And when the SONS OF GOD came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them..."
Genesis 6:2&4
"...Israel is MY SON, even my firstborn:"
Exodus 4:22
"...for I (God) am a FATHER to Israel, and Ephraim is my
firstborn."
Jeremiah 31:9

which was called Begotten among these? None because they were all created. If the word begotten was used for just one of them,sincerely, this discussion will end.

"...the Lord hath said unto me, (David) Thou art MY SON: this day have I BEGOTTEN thee."
Psalms 2:7

Messianic prophecy concerning Christ. the Jews knew this (dont tell me you know better than them) hence the quote of this psalm in Acts 4:25,26 with reference to Jesus. If you dont believe read Psalm 22 to see the prophetic insight on His death and Psalm 110 to see His exaltation.

"For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the
SONS OF GOD."
Romans1 8
[/b]

You guys quote Paul's writings whenever it suits you! Well We become sons by being born again through faith in Christ hence the statement:

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

John 1:12

And lastly for Jesus to die on the cross would have meant the triumph of his executioners; but the Quran asserts that they undoubtedly failed: "Assuredly God will defend those who believe";. He confounds the plots of the enemies of Isah (Jesus)... merciful God.
And yes I'll stick to Islam...

So, was John the Baptist beheaded, yes or no?; Was Isaiah sawn asunder, yes or no? Was Zechariah stoned to death, yes or no?
And were these men prophets of God, yes or no?

Then who said this:

Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
[/b]Matthew 20:28

[b]Saying, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be delivered unto the chief priests, and unto the scribes; and they shall condemn him to death, and shall deliver him to the Gentiles:

34 And they shall mock him, and shall scourge him, and shall spit upon him, and shall kill him: and the third day he shall rise again.

Mark 10:33,34



The real Victory is that He rose from the dead.

Christianity is too hard twisted for every sane person

In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.

minifuworld:
that is why i said all the prophets of God come for thesame purpose

What is the Injil all about? (I know it is the Gospel) what is the Gospel?

and that is know your God as one, worship Him and do good.
And as for matthew 26:28 honestly you guys dont even understand the bible, pls kindly read from verse 26-29 maybe you will understand the message.

Kindly explain the message therein.

doobyScoo:
I was born into a christian home. A pastor's home. As expected, I was born into christianity. Normally also as I grew older and began to think for myself, I hear stuffs like "the righteousness of your parents can't save you", "you need to be genuinely saved", "you need to give your life to Christ" etc. I was like fine, and I gave my life to Christ. In fact for like 3 times I responded to altar call. Recently this year too, you know what next na, I was baptised in the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues.

Your repeatedly answering of altar calls suggests that there was something you never really got right. Besides, the evidence of the Spirit's baptism is not tongues but power for service. And on what basis did you stop the regular altar call visit and started seeking for the Baptism?

I remember a 'church' i attended as a young believer. we had been asked to come for Spirit's baptism. After the 1st session, they began to tell us to say it and since I had heard many tongues before then, I began saying the ones that came to mind at that point I heard one of the pulpiteers urge me on. I know better today.

Point is, Jesus gave us what to expect when the Spirit is come in John 14,15,16 and Acts 1:8. I fear you had a challenge with spurious experiences more so a religious background has a way of schooling you in the external forms and motions sans reality such that you mistake assumption for faith!

Pls I am neither judging you nor being harsh; its something that children born in the church needs to realise. People around you will rejoice at any faint or feigned interest in the things of God and even (unfortunately) lower expected standards for you simply because such kids are usually known for their rebellion against God.

Well, I began to lose my believe. Recently I've been spending time in the religion section of nairaland, and let's just say I've lost it completely. Now I don't hate religion, in fact what I've concluded about it ( I've done serious thinking ) people need something to believe in. If you've been paying attention at all to my write up, you'll notice I hadn't mention there is no God (even if I might think it); I've just lost my believe.
The one Question I ask myself is "Why Should I Believe in God?" Maybe someone can answer that for me. Why exactly? The only things I know about Him is from the Bible (why should I believe that) and from people (why should I believe that too).

Why should you believe in God? First, what do you understand by that phrase 'believe in God'. I say this as it being different from, 'believe there is a God'.

I love my family and I would never disrupt the peace by making my believe known (I still go to church, participate in family devotion, read the bible, pray etc). If the nature of my words surprise anybody, I want to add that I am less than 20 years of age too.

I'm not an atheist and I don't want to be. I don't want to be anything, I just want to live my life!

Op's case is one of the major issue today when church goers and believers seek for experiences as an end rather than a means to an end. Seeking for an it rather than a Him! Finding the 'it' and the sensations we wanted (that will soon fade and leave us feeling empty) but missing the Substance - Him.

I appreciate your conclusion; my advise?

And thou,... know thou the God of thy father, and serve him with a perfect heart and with a willing mind: for the Lord searcheth all hearts, and understandeth all the imaginations of the thoughts: if thou seek him, he will be found of thee; but if thou forsake him, he will cast thee off for ever.
1 chronicles 28:9 Seek to know Him and if you will be patient enough to wait, He will reveal Himself to you (now there may be many "its'' but you will appreciate the Substance)

OLAADEGBU:
Does that mean that there will be no saint left to go through Jacob's Trouble?

There will be left behind backslidden saints etc but those are NOt the tribulation saints. Such are the ones referenced, for those that repent after the rapture, in Revelations 6:9,10

OLAADEGBU:
Are you saying no saint would go through The Great Tribulation?

For one who abides in Christ and thereby remains a saint,NO! For the fruitless cast off branch that has a name that they live but are dead, yes, they'll face it.(Reason for the parable of the foolish virgins).

OLAADEGBU:
What are tribulation saints? Are they Christians who live through the tribulation? Or people who become Christians during the tribulation?

Tribulation saints are NOT those that go through The Great Tribulation. All saints of God since the Ascension are Tribulation saints.

blueAgent:
One of the biggest lies in christaindom is that Jesus changed the Sabbath day or that the Sabbathday was meant only for the Jews.
Jesus never did away with the 10commandments. the Sabbath was created and sancified by God even before man sinned. no other day was sancified and set apart by God. and only God's decision is the most important factor in deciding which day is the Sabbath day.

Why was this missing from the Apostle's letter to the gentiles in Acts 15?

Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,

26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.

28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;

29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

Acts 15 24-29


It will be wrong to claim without proof that the addressee were already keeping the sabbath when this was written.


What of Job? All he did were recounted but nothing was said about his observing the sabbath. Neither Abraham nor Enoch not forgetting Noah!

minifuworld:
Injil means teachings or preaching. the good news jesus christ peace be upon him tell his people. Matthew 4: 17. From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, “Repent, for the kingdom of heave is at hand.”

Is this the Injil then? John the Baptist preached same before Jesus what then?

its st.paul that call it new testament. Jesus preaches and teaches what past prophets preache to their people

Who said this:
28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Matthew 26:28
What is the difference between the Law and the Injil.

4everGod1:
sxholar8200 herelin lies the problem...The injil (New Testament) This ia where they lock up. Expect no answer and if it does come it would be an explanation of a Sura.

well then a benefit of doubt might not be misplaced sometimes.
If all Jesus came for was to teach the Law of Moses, what makes Him different from other scribes and teachers?
And why is the Goodnews, good news?

minifuworld:
that is to tell you that jesus christ did not come with new commandments but he came to testify to those commandment that has been given to those prophets before him. Matthew 5 v 17. "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. And this is the believe of we muslims that all the prophets of God are one because they came for thesame purpose and they are all way to the kingdom of God

what then is the Injil?

mustymatic:
I do believe in him, not as the only way

then you dont love Him!

minifuworld:
The Greatest Commandment mark 12: 28. One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?” 29. “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. 30. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength. 31. The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no commandment greater than these.”

ma'am, this was not a teaching! It was an answer to a question that demanded a quotation from the Law specifically- Deuteronomy 6:4,5. Else would you say Psalm 91 is satan's commandment since he quoted part thereof in tempting Jesus (as seen in Matthew 4:6) ?

mustymatic:
Yes you are right, but let's view the commandments, muslims still follow them more often than christians

So, do you believe on Him as the ONLY Way to the Father?

your excellency, HRH, hear Jesus speak:

15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
John 14:23,24

That, sire, is true love for Jesus!

your excellency, HRH, hear Jesus speak:

15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
John 14:23,24

That, sire, is true love for Jesus!

hopefulLandlord:
so anything that's being attacked with ferocity and subtlety is definitely true

do you fully agree with this statement?

this is a sly way of taking my statements out of their context. Perhaps you may give an example of one of your 'anythings' that has being so attacked with such purpose and subtlety as the Truth has been.

hopefulLandlord:
so only truth can be attacked?

what kinda fallacy is this?

with as much ferocity and subtlety, YES!

yazach:
Chaiiii, there is God o!!
You mean word God is being playing around like leader ball,
with this your post, bible can not be word of God but word of Man

another opinion of yours. Only the Truth will attract such opposition.


The father of lies doth not his fiery arrows spend,

On that that achieves his deceptive end.

WORDWORLD:
I WASNT AT ALL MISTAKEN WE I STARTED MY WRITTEN AS THUS:



I WASNT AT ALL MISTAKEN WHEN I WROTE ALL THOSE ABOUT THE CHRISTIAN LOW I/Q.

Yet its all Pretentious. WHO THE FOOL IS IT THAT BELIEVES THAT GOD BECAME MAN AND THEN THIS GOD DIED.

HOW CAN GOD DIE. SCHOLAR COME TO YOUR SENSE GOD HAS GIVEN YOU A BRAIN USE IT PLEASE. AND ENCOURAGE YOUR FELLOW TO DO THE SAME.

WHO OR WHAT EVER IT IS THAT DIED ON THAT CROSS BY THE NAME JESUS ACCORDING TO BIBLE STORY IS NOT GOD. THE FACT THAT HE DIED KILL THAT IDEOLOGY.

ITS A SICK IDEOLOGY FOR SICK PEOPLE. WAKE UP AND GET CURED BEFORE ITS TOO LATE. DO NOT WAIT UNTIL AFTER YOU DIE BEFORE YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THAT GOD CANNOT DIE.

. "..., I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight."

Luke 10:21

But Paul, inspired by the Spirit said,:
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Colossians 2:16,17

How would you explain this?


P.S.: If you find this post offensive, ignore it!

Scholar8200:
Jesus replied, "Are you not in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God? Mark 12:24

WORDWORLD:
HABA!!! SCHOLAR NA NIGHT SCHOOL YOU GO? How did you earn that title?

I wonder!

HABA!!!

See what you are answering me with. IF YOU CANT EVEN TELL US THIS ANSWER.

Then, i can come to accept what you said the last time. YOUR STATEMENT OF UNCERTAINTY. That after we die that is when we will understand. THAT IS A CLEAR EXHIBITION OF BLIND FAITH.

I asked you simply Question? WHO DIED ON THE CROSS. GOD OR MAN.

Who does the highlighted refer to?

WE KNOW THAT GOD CANNOT DIE. SO IS JESUS GOD? WHY ARE YOUR GUYS UNECESSARILY STURBORN?

GOD CANNOT DIE. WHO OR WHAT EVER DIED ON THAT CROSS CAN NEVER BE GOD!!!

Who died on the cross?

WORDWORLD:
THIS IS WHAT I CALL CAMOUFLAGE UNDRE CUNNING DIALECTICAL ACROBATIC ORCHESTRATED APOLOGETIC LYRICISM.

Please who died on the Cross. God of the living or of the Dead. CAN GOD DIE?

Jesus replied, "Are you not in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God? Mark 12:24

raphieMontella:
oga do you remember this thread?
www.nairaland.com/3299993/what-prominent-achievements-made-atheists

okay