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TomHagen:
No freewill then.

TomHagen:
In other words, there is no freewill there, the ability to make choices is taken away. Right?

TomHagen:
You misunderstand me. Will there be freewill in Heaven?

TomHagen:
Will man be a free moral agent in Heaven?

TomHagen:
What then is the purpose of hell?

TomHagen:
Sophistry.

TomHagen:
So hell is for correction? Tell me something.

TomHagen:
This your logic na wa o. Before God created anything was there evil? As at Genesis 1:1

hahn:
God created evil

We humans suffer from the effects of evil

Whatever evil happens in this world is god's responsibility

Since it is all knowing, why did it create evil, something it knows is bad, only to "withdraw" from it?

That doesn't make it any less responsible for the evil it has created

hahn:
God created good and evil so it is responsible for every good AND EVIL on earth

It is very simple logic

0ubenji:
Kindly note that cain was a bachelor when the curse was placed upon him for the murder of his brother, Abel. There was no other person around(according to the bible) aside his parents..

Any descendant of Adam dint come until cain married a wife and bore children(where this strange lady came from is a story for anoda day).

Lamech aint cain's sibling, as this is the only condition by which he would have been around as at when cain was cursed. After the curse incident was when cain went to get settled down somewhere else and probably get married thereafter.

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Genesis 4: 16

16. Then Cain went out from the presence of the
LORD, and settled in the land of Nod, east of Eden.

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Lamech is a 5th generation descendant of Cain.

Genesis 4: 17-18

17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare
Enoch(1st generation): and he builded a city, and called the name of the city,
after the name of his son, Enoch.



18 And unto Enoch was born Irad(2nd generation): and Irad begat Mehujael(3rd generation):
and Mehujael begat Methusael(4th generation): and Methusael begat
Lamech(5th generation).

As at the time Lamech was born, Abel was long gone.

Now, according to genesis, as at the time of lamech, Adam and Eve had no other child aside Cain. Not until Genesis 4: 25 wherein Seth was conceived and it was emphasized therein that the arrival of seth soothed their hurt over Abel's death which is a strong indication that no other child had come until seth.

Genesis 4: 25

25 And Adam knew his wife AGAIN; and she bare a son, and
called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me
ANOTHER SEED INSTEAD OF ABEL, whom Cain slew.

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The child that came after abel's death was seth, none other, which is why the importance of his birth was well reiterated in verse 25 above. Eve actually gave him that name.
The first time Adam had carnal knowledge of Eve was in Genesis 4: 1, the second time was in Genesis 4: 2, while the 3rd time was in Genesis 4: 25

Lamech was not present when cain was cursed..tnx

Cc: malvisguy212

0ubenji:
Hmmn...I get 2 msgs from ur comment..but I don't wanna gv a reply that might derail the matter at hand..so I'd rather hold that thought for now..
How does lamech come in here plz..kindly clarify..
Coz lamech himself was a murderer, to suffer the same fate as cain's whereby God ensures their staying alive to suffer a barren life. By dat time, for some strange reason, God punishment for murder Wasn't death but to stay alive and experience a sort of fruitless life. So he marks them for compulsory existence to suffer the consequence of deeds, hence, any1 who kiils them is marked for castigation in greater folds.
This was the essence of the verses u emboldened above in the case of lamech who knows the consequences of the murder he committed and is the one speaking to his wives on his fate.

5solas:
The belief that a believer can lose salvation is false! You merely deceive the uninitiated while the initiated laugh at you. The belief is a conclusion founded on faulty premises. Keep it! Why those of us who believe we can't be lost will keep ours. Our belief is founded on the revealed truths which it is clear you are not ready to consider. Farewell!

0ubenji:
According to Genesis 4:13-14, shortly after cain killed his
brother Abel, “Cain said to the LORD,

‘My punishment is
more than I can bear. Today you are driving me from the
land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a
restless wanderer on the earth, AND WHOEVER FINDS ME WILL KILL ME’.


* Whom exactly was Cain afraid of?


The only people
the book of Genesis had mentioned to this point are Adam
and Eve (Cain’s parents) and Abel (who was now dead).


*Who
would possibly be a threat to Cain?

5solas:
Artful dodger! Simply give your opinion of what he meant, if you don't know it, say so.
How can you write about other things but ignore my simple question? Explain 1 Peter 1:2.

5solas:
I am not contending with you over who the elects referred to (in Matthew 24)are. My contention is who the elects are in the Bible as a whole. If they are different in different contexts you should say so.

Indeed there are various parts of the NT where the[b] Church is called the elect[/b], in fact one passage calls the Church the Israel of God. However, we are referring to a time when the spiritual elects/Israel - the Church- will no longer be on Earth. [b]Then the nation - Israel- called the elect in Isaiah 45 [/b]will be the reference and object.

My contention is that the elects without distinction cannot be other than saved . Leaving Matthew 24 (to avoid contention) I arrived at 1 Peter 1:2 and asked if the elects there can be lost or if their attributes differ from that of those in Matthew 24 and it is difficult to get a straight answer from you.

Stop playing to the gallery!
Leave Matthew 24 and all that pertains to it and simply tell me if the elects, referred to by Peter, can lose salvation.

Presbulg:
Remember when Jesus also lost an argument ?

Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon. 22 A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, "Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is suffering terribly from demon-possession." 23 Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, "Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us." 24 He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel." 25 The woman came and knelt before him. "Lord, help me!" she said. 26 He replied, "It is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to their dogs." 27 "Yes, Lord," she said, "but even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters' table." 28 Then Jesus answered, "Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted." And her daughter was healed from that very hour.

AbuTwins:
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so Jesus is now like an alien who switches off n on btw two forms; Son God and Son of man. can you quote a verse for this from the four canonical books?
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All those Philippians, Colossians,etc are letters. Give me real evidence albeit where Jesus said he sometimes he can God n sometimes human?
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Also state the form he was when he said it is finished on the cross and when he resurrected.

AbuTwins:
WHEN JESUS WAS ASKED ABOUT THE HOUR, HE SIMPLY REPLIED.....

MARK 13:32

New International Version
"But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.


MATTHEW 24:36 (NIV)
“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

I THINK GOD SHOULD KNOW EVERYTHING....

5solas:
You have taken so much pains to avoid answering a simple ''yes'' to my question.
That those are great tribulation elects is not in contention here. The attributes of these elects is . Do they share the same attributes as these:
1 Peter 1

Who are the elects referred to above? Do you see the possibility of these losing salvation?

5solas:
The question is simple enough, the elects at the time of the GT, is it possible for them to be deceived and be other than saved?

5solas:
So in the context of Matthew 24, the elects cannot but be saved, right?

5solas:
The matter is not as ''simple'' as you try to make it. If it were you would have easily refuted us who hold that a believer cannot lose salvation.
You must dribble past Jesus and His teachings first! Not to talk of other parts of the scriptures!

Matthew 24

Who are the elects? Do you see any chance of them losing salvation? These are things you have to examine critically before concluding.

counsellorwiser:
Blow it all up let all Nigerians see whom the self-anointed progressives really have become. Criminals chanting and bandying unseen phantom change to their retinue of impressionable minions. Bunch of wayward pen bandits!

5solas:
First of all, add 15:16

Those in Christ are chosen for salvation! So you got it wrong here! In your own chosen passage! And the whole of scripture will equally prove you false!

Secondly, those chosen are ordained to do good works! They are not the people you imagine them to be, who choose sin over Him.

This is laughable. To be taken seriously you have to identify what saves a man, if you don't know it,you will continue making false conclusions.



So Ananias and Sapphira got lost for their lies, right? Is telling the truth or refraining from lying one of the conditions for salvation then?
Come up with your list!

Those who are saved are ordained for good works! So your argument amounts to nothing!
Eph.2:10

Stick to the subject! Leave those things we ought to do AFTER we are saved and tell us those things we need to do to be saved.

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OLAADEGBU:
41. Muhammad's Tomb: OCCUPIED! Christ's tomb: EMPTY!