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Christianity Etc › Re: Should A Christian Restitute? by Scholar8200(m): 5:32pm On Aug 10, 2016

ArcToyin:
I doubt it if this verse corresponds with restitution. Check it again

The rationale is the same - having a conscience void of offence toward all men.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Does It Mean To Use Vain Repetitions In Prayer? by Scholar8200(m): 1:42pm On Aug 10, 2016

OLAADEGBU:
"But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking" (Matthew 6:7).

There lies there problem! They try to 'buy' the blessing by a long prayer by rote and not by heart!Jacob wrestled with the Angel all night; Jesus prayed all night to God; the early Church prayed until Peter was out etc The difference? They sought God as a Vital Necessity, a seeking God because of utter helplessness and there was no other option available.

What does it mean to use vain repetitions in prayer?

]But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions,as the heathen do: forthey think that they shall be heard for their much speaking(Matthew 6:7)

It means to make use of timed chants like the following:

1.But when they knew that he was a Jew, all with one voice about the space of [size=16pt]two hours cried out, Great is Diana of the Ephesians[/size].
Acts 19:24

or

2. 26 And they took the bullock which was given them, and they dressed it, and called on the name of Baal from morning even until noon, saying, O Baal, hear us. But there was no voice, nor any that answered. And they leaped upon the altar which was made.
1 Kings 18:26

Prayer that does not involve the whole person, desire, heart but a lengthy, recital that expects to be worthy after a long session!

Is repeating a prayer a vain repetition?

No! Not all repetitions are vain, it may be importunity (re-petitioning as an expression of desire and faith); however, a repetition/prayer becomes vain if I mean to display its length before people(present or absent) for vain-glory and / or seek to impress men or God therewith.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Peaceful Debate 2 by Scholar8200(m): 8:36am On Aug 10, 2016

4kings:
Sorry, I thought Paul wrote that book.
Why do u think the book of Enoch is not inspired?
What's ur criteria for inspiration?

First, right from the time of Enoch in Genesis, there was a prophecy that a destruction was to come after the death of Methuselah. Enoch being a godly man too gave prophecies. The book of Enoch was written milleniums later after Enoch and it contains many outright, unscriptural errors. The author quoted Enoch's prophecy and named the book after him to endear it to the people

It was referenced in one of the gnostic teaching videos I watched earlier. The book of Susanna.

I doubt this. On the sermon on the mount, Jesus was establishing God's standards as against what had been generally accepted till that time that is why the people were astonished at the authority with which He taught. Just like saying hatred/anger is tantamount to murder was unknown in the OT.

Christianity Etc › Re: Predestination: Christians Kindly Contribute On This Subject 4 My Understanding. by Scholar8200(m): 8:25am On Aug 10, 2016

honourhim:
Your answers are quite educative. Now in the case of Lucifer did God know that Lucifer will fall before creating him? Or did this knowledge come to God after creating him or was the whole thing a surprise to God?

Well, the Bible is silent on this. This much is revealed: God knows the end of either options available to us; He knows our hearts and the tendencies therein to either side. Does God know all Lucifer was going to do before creating him, this I cannot tell.

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheism Is The Mother Of Satanism by Scholar8200(m): 8:20am On Aug 10, 2016

WORDWORLD:
Yes!!!

A very SERIOUS one indeed, which on pragmatic grounds, devoid of an atmosphere of hysteria needs no PROVING at all because its right there before your eyes and under your nose. It smells like Hydogensulphide.............LIKE ROTTEN EGG.

Use NL as your case study...........List out all professed Atheist and tell yourself if their ROOTS wasn't YOUR FAITH.

A faith described as a CONTRADICTORY system.............where belief is always in conflict with logic.

A FAITH which demands BELIEF and not PROOF.

When did PROOF start to become a yard stick in CHRISTIANITY?

All that is needed is the HOLY SPIRIT..................not even COMMON SENSE.............not the science of reasoning called LOGIC.

Let me tell you. Simply because we still have existence of FLAT EARTHERS does not change the fact that UNCONTROVERSIALLY the earth is NOT flat.

My statement is as UNCONTROVESIAL as that. Are you ashamed of your FRUIT. Why will a TREE be ashamed of her FRUIT except if the TREE itself is a BAD TREE.

CHRISTIANITY AS A RELIGION IS THE HIGHEST PRODUCER OF ATHEISTS.

Perhaps you should start gathering your data on NL from the Master piece written by HARDMIRROR: From Pastor to Atheist, why I will NEVER become a CHRISTIAN again.

www.nairaland.com/3078223/pastor-atheist-why-never-christian/14

Just use NL as your area of emphasis. You would see and smell it all................THE SERIOUS QUESTION IS, WILL A CHRISTIAN TELL THE TRUTH.

Hardmirror already told the whole wide world that christianity is built on LIES.

Well, let me quote his own PERSONAL WORDS which he used to describing and defining Christians and Christianity from his "TRUE LIFE STORY", the "ABSOLUTE TRUTH": From Pastor to Atheist. Why I will 'NEVER' be a Christian again!

"There are many reasons why CHRISTIANITY has survived the test of time even though it is built on LIES and DEEP HUMAN PSYCHOLOGY"

Reference: www.nairaland.com/3078223/pastor-atheist-why-never-christian/3

(Page 3, 5th post counting from top)

"Am I implying that INSINCERITY, SELFISHNESS and IGNORANCE is what is keeping CHRISTIANS as CHRISTIANS? The answer is a BIG YES! The moment I began to asking 'god' the questions .......... the very moment I began to discover the FALSEHOOD OF CHRISTIANITY. If you are SINCERE and TRUELY concern about your fellow man, you realize 'god' is MORE WICKED, S-TUPID and INCAPABLE than the presumed DEVIL"

Reference: www.nairaland.com/3078223/pastor-atheist-why-never-christian/5

(Page 5, post number 2 counting from bottom)

Hence,

Christians and Christianity = "LIES", "DEEP HUMAN PSYCHOLOGY", "INSINCERITY", "SELFISHNESS", "IGNORANCE" and "god" is "MORE WICKED", "S-TUPID" and "INCAPABLE than the presumed DEVIL".

Come up with a list of Atheists on NL and see if Christianity as a religion is not the main producer of Atheists.

And If so and which it is so. Then CHRISTIANITY the GRAND MOTHER of Satanism. Since Truthman2012 has already told us that Atheism is the mother of Satanism.

Do not use an illusionary approach. All odds can by conquered by TRUTH.

"The FIRST and LAST thing required of a GENIUS is the LOVE of TRUTH". Wolfgang Gothe

Kindly tell me. How do you rationalize when the bible says.

"The FOOL says in his heart. THERE IS NO GOD" Psalm 14: 1............refering to Atheism.

The same bible now still qualifies a Christian as: " we are FOOLS for the sake of Christ........" 1Corinthians 4:10

Now that verse concludes as thus........."but we are WISE in Christ" 1 Corinthians 4:10

Yet the same WISE CHRIST in the bible said.

"......whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire". Matthew 5:22

Yet you already call yourselves FOOLS for the sake of who said "who ever said you FOOL will be liable to the hell fire"

CONTINUE FOOLING YOURSELVES...............

Christianity Etc › Re: Predestination: Christians Kindly Contribute On This Subject 4 My Understanding. by Scholar8200(m): 7:54pm On Aug 09, 2016

honourhim:
Okay. He has foreknowledge of events but not the specific people who will be involved in the event?

Sure He calls certain people to play certain roles according to His good purpose. But such call is what it is, a call. They may yield or not. For example, Moses's call was to lead the Israelites to the Promised land but he failed to accomplish it.

Now, didnt Jesus know that Judas was to be the traitor? He did! After all Bible says concerning some that Jesus did not commit Himself to them because He knew what was in them.. Was anything done to prevent this, Yes! Bible says Jesus loved them all hence I believe He must have prayed for them all besides, Jesus spoke of being betrayed openly and he was there.

However, notice the prayer point(faith fails not), and the role Jesus played in ensuring this after Resurrection. Peter was back to fishing but Jesus restored him; Judas, had over-reacted - killed himself.

I perceive Judas had thought the worst will be that, like John the Baptist, Jesus would be imprisoned hence when Jesus warned that woe is he by which the Son of Man goes, his covetousness would have waved it aside!

Christianity Etc › Re: Peaceful Debate 2 by Scholar8200(m): 7:19pm On Aug 09, 2016

4kings:
Paul made reference to the book of Enoch in the book of Jude.

No thanks, Jude wrote that. Besides, Jude did not make reference to the book of Enoch. The book of Enoch was an attempt by error to ride on the back of generally known facts to gain acceptance.

Jesus also made reference to one of the apocrypha(can't remember), where he talked about 'looking at a woman lustfully is a sin'.

So much for common sense

Until you remember, I would say that was a quote based on a speech that came before the Law, Job 31:1

31 I dictated a covenant (an agreement) to my eyes; how then could I look [lustfully] upon a girl?
AMP

Christianity Etc › Re: Peaceful Debate 2 by Scholar8200(m): 7:14pm On Aug 09, 2016

ValentineMary:
I was a strong believer. But this was after I gave my life to christ. I detested sin and did all in my power to avoid it even if it ment dying. The conversion was solely based on the fear of hell

Interesting. Here lies the possible issue: where your faith stood!

That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
1 Corinth 2:5
Here we see that the only basis that will ensure stability is that faith has a proper basis. Any other basis other than God's Power displayed in the Gospel would not hold up too long!

l but reason took over and I began to doubt the Abrahamic God.
I perceive this doubts arose from the issue of sin and God's attitude to it vis a vis the human nature, followed by intellectual studies that seemed to affirm the queries that were arising directly/indirectly. Am I right?

Those experience people used to called spiritual were just physical stuffs that we did not know the explanation then.

Can you give an example of such?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Peaceful Debate 2 by Scholar8200(m): 6:46pm On Aug 09, 2016

ValentineMary:
I can say mine was from an intellectual point of view. I believed so much that I began to doubt.

Before that time did you have an encounter with God, a spiritual experience that came through faith? Or were you just a nominal believer?

Christianity Etc › Re: Peaceful Debate 2 by Scholar8200(m): 6:43pm On Aug 09, 2016

donnffd:
This is classical religion not accepting its wrong...

When science disprove something in the bible, it becomes figurative...

Where did I say it is figurative?Search and answer which of the days 1-7 was that which was without form and void created?

Why are you keen on twisting my words?

I would assume you havent met barack obama in person, and thats a safe assumption, Now imagine this scenario, you have heard about him, you know him to be the president of america but never seen him, then all of a sudden, someone tells you that he doesnt exist, you cant believe it, its impossible, the person asks you, have u seen him before, you say no, then you start to think to yourself, it could be true, alright, you make up your mind to find him, then you go to america and d white house to see obama in person...

Now from the above scenario, does you goin to find him diminish the fact that you knew him?

Please, be intellectually honest...

Nice analogy that differentiates mental assent/head knowledge from personal encounter! Besides, I would have seen his (Obama's) pictures so that claim of non-existence will fall flat.

Consider this:

A: Have you seen Obama before?
B: No,but I have heard about him.
A: Do you realise he doesnt exist?
B: That cannot be!!! I saw his pictures!
A: And how are you sure what you saw was not photoshopped? How are you even sure that the picture you saw was actually Obama?
B: (confused)

Then:
A:Have you seen Obama before?
C: Yes!
A: Do you realise he doesnt truly exist?
C: I was at the white house to conduct an interview with him (shows A videos and memoirs) so what are you talking about?
A: (speechless)

The first scenario depicts those who claim they know God simply because they gave mental assent to some statements. Someone comes and throws doubts and they are helpless.
The second shows one who had an encounter hence no one can overthrow his faith but him(some have done this when they became angry with God perhaps because He wouldnt gratify a lust which He knew was not the best for them).

No one can say he knows God based on a mental assent to some stated facts! It takes an encounter with Him made possible by His revealing Himself not to our senses (eyes, ears etc) but to us.

How did you become a fervent Christian without an encounter with God?By just a mental assent to some religious statements?

This is why I started the way I did but you attacked with 6000/4.6 Billion years! Without understanding where you are coming from, I would discuss based on an assumption of who you are which might be wrong!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Atheism Is The Mother Of Satanism by Scholar8200(m): 6:06pm On Aug 09, 2016

WORDWORLD:

This Atheist and Satanist are mostly the fruit of CHRISTIANITY!!!

By their fruit we shall know them. WHY ARE YOU NOT PROUD OF YOUR FAMILY?

Serious allegation; what are your proofs?

Christianity Etc › Re: Peaceful Debate 2 by Scholar8200(m): 6:03pm On Aug 09, 2016

donnffd:
This your multiple posts is becoming tiresome, ask all ur questions in one post...

What happened to "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth"?

Read that chapter again, there is nothing said about the day when that which was without form and void, was created!

And from ur other post, if i ddnt know God, why did i fight so hard to not believe what i was finding out?
You guys just think you have a monopoly on belief, you think atheists were born atheists and ddnt knw God or love him at all...well if you think so, i cnt argue wit that, i wud only say you are closed minded...

Another hasty generalization! You said you were seeking for God and that you commenced by seeking for Him through reading the Bible .Then you said you were a fervent christian. Now you say you knew God!!!(Whom you were seeking through a 'long and tedious' but unproductive process!)

Remember you said this:

Yes, i can

It started with reading and understanding Evolution years back, i wasnt an atheist immediately, but that was the moment the intellectual quest started that made me ultimately look for God and could not find him.

Am i not in order then? I suggest if there was a mistake in your previous posts, acknowledge it so we can move forward!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Peaceful Debate 2 by Scholar8200(m): 5:42pm On Aug 09, 2016

donnffd:
The bible is for life not for knowledge....

Correct! It was given basically to reveal God, not increase head knowledge!

So a book that claims total and absolute truth was shown even to a small detail to hold some false claims! Does that book still holds to absolute truth status?...please be honest with your arguments

false claims such as?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Atheism Is The Mother Of Satanism by Scholar8200(m): 5:38pm On Aug 09, 2016

truthmans2012:
It is you who don't know.

Father, Son, Holy Spirit is the same One Deuteronomy 6:4 is talking about.

1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word (Jesus), and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

You have a soul, a spirit and a flesh and these three are one you.

I'm sure you know the topic of this thread, please let's keep to it. Thank you.

I have been thinking about this thread as it relates to this passage:

And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; ...

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
Revelation 13:5,6

You find many that claim to be atheists here under similar influence! Their hatred of God and haste to blasphemy is palpable!

Besides, of this same personality, it is said:

And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods,...

37 [size=15pt]Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers,..., nor regard any god[/size]: for he shall magnify himself above all.
Daniel 11:36,37

Without trying to bash anyone, it is obvious that behind every blaspheming NL/person is the spirit of this personality!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Peaceful Debate 2 by Scholar8200(m): 5:25pm On Aug 09, 2016*

donnffd:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ussher_chronology

Sorry, i meant where the Bible records that age like you said.

Note that Genesis starts with life on the Earth and the Earth being made suitable for Life, not the Creation of the Earth.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Peaceful Debate 2 by Scholar8200(m): 5:20pm On Aug 09, 2016*

lordnicklaus:
Now this is a part that proved to be a problem to my comprehension. What I have as my only explanation is that God caused the earth to stop its rotational movement but the man who recorded this part of the text being primitive, thought the earth stood still.

They were simply primitive men and Inspiration doesnt confer Omniscence, besides, the part he referred to was a record in which the writer described what he saw as far as his enlightenment (and that of people of that era could.)

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Christianity Etc › Re: Peaceful Debate 2 by Scholar8200(m): 5:16pm On Aug 09, 2016

donnffd:
See how you guys cherry-pick,

Cherry pick what from where? A person reads for knowledge when he reads the Bible not because he wants to know more about God and His ways.

Now the bible is for Life not for Knowledge, but the bible makes lots of claims about the Natural world that can be tested and as been tested and proven to be wrong...why should i approach a book which foundation was on fiction in the first place?

Now this is cherry-picking. It further underscores the truth in that which you are arguing against. Were you hoping to find God while you focused more on the creature rather than the Creator?

Would you mind itemising the claims about the natural world that you have cherry-picked and show what tests were conducted? I am interested.

Your logic: Anybody who stops being a christian wasnt a christian in the first place...

Hard to argue with that kinda logic...

Your conclusion seems to be a hasty generalization! Why? How would you stop being a Christian when you were still searching for God meaning you did not even know Him till that time! You had not found Him yet you just said to another NL here that you were a fervent christian? Kindly reconcile this!

Christianity Etc › Re: Peaceful Debate 2 by Scholar8200(m): 4:30pm On Aug 09, 2016

donnffd:
I never said Evolution was what made me lose my faith, infact i was still a fervent christian after i accepted evolution as a fact, i believed God used it to create life on earth...I lost my faith for totally different reasons, Evolution was just the start of my intellectual quest for knowledge about the Natural world which really opened my eyes.

And that was?

Christianity Etc › Re: Peaceful Debate 2 by Scholar8200(m): 4:26pm On Aug 09, 2016

donnffd:
Reading the bible was the first step, many things did not add up, like how would the sun stand still if it is always standing still in respect to the earth?, or why some other tribe did not record an unusual day where the sun did not come out?...

Is that all? Were you actually seeking God or academic correctness? Besides, why was the Bible given - revelation of God, or satisfaction of finite man's limited intellect for all time?
It seems you approached the Bible for knowledge rather than for Life!

I dug into history and researched about the origins of the bible and my findings werent too pleasant...

What exactly were you looking for when you did all of this? And what were your references?

Then i prayed for God to reveal himself, but as usual, he was silent...

Did you have a predetermined way just how He should do this? And this prayer of yours, was it by faith based on His promise or just a subtle order , "God if you are there I adjure you to reveal yourself!"

The process was long and tedious but cut long story short, i lost my faith...

What had been the basis of this faith initially? If it was long and tedious then it seems you missed something and followed the wrong road!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Peaceful Debate 2 by Scholar8200(m): 4:15pm On Aug 09, 2016

donnffd:
So being spiritual would change the fact that the bible records the age of the earth as 6000years but its actual age is 4.6billion?

i ddnt know that!

Being spiritual would mean that you encountered God as the Bible reveals men encountered Him with the same results. Besides, kindly quote where that record is stated in the Bible.

Christianity Etc › Re: Peaceful Debate 2 by Scholar8200(m): 3:52pm On Aug 09, 2016

donnffd:
Yes, i can

It started with reading and understanding Evolution years back, i wasnt an atheist immediately, but that was the moment the intellectual quest started that made me ultimately look for God and could not find him.

How far had you gone as a theist before this time? (Your concluding statement suggests that you were not the spiritual type i.e theists with Christian, spiritual experiences.)

Christianity Etc › Re: Peaceful Debate 2 by Scholar8200(m): 2:05pm On Aug 09, 2016

Now Johnnydon here said all atheists here were once theists.

Now, as an atheist, can you sincerely say that your journey to atheism started basically and solely as a result of intellectually discovery rather than an emotional/moral issue for which you later sought and got many intellectual resources to strengthen?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Peaceful Debate 2 by Scholar8200(m): 1:13pm On Aug 09, 2016

Op, pls what's your topic?

Christianity Etc › Re: Predestination: Christians Kindly Contribute On This Subject 4 My Understanding. by Scholar8200(m): 1:01pm On Aug 09, 2016

honourhim:
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OK. But in the case of Peter, Jesus told him before hand that he Will betray him before the cock crows three times and it happened. In the case of Abraham Gcd told him that his children will be uncountable like the stars but they will be taken into captivity in Egypt and it happened several years later as God said it.
Also Jesus gave an insight to the last days events when his disciples asked him and today we are seeing it. Don't all these confirm God's foreknowledge?

Foreknowledge of events and as One that knows our hearts(which controls our choices), our responses thereto.

Regarding Peter, Jesus knew this because, being filled with the Spirit, Jesus gave a Word of Knowledge (available to you and me too) that satan wanted to sift Peter and later detailed by what means satan intended but remember Jesus had to pray that his faith would not fail.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Is Just A False Christ by Scholar8200(m): 11:59am On Aug 09, 2016

malvisguy212:
this muslims are one of the most confuse sect living in this planet. He believe what the op talk about more than the quran. Muhammed say jesus is the messiah, the op say no He isn't.

And he mistakenly(and contradicts his Quran) agrees due to hate!

Christianity Etc › Re: Predestination: Christians Kindly Contribute On This Subject 4 My Understanding. by Scholar8200(m): 11:47am On Aug 09, 2016

honourhim:
OK. But do you think God has foreknowledge of our lives and knows how each of us will make our choices in life and how we will end.?

Bible tells us , 'out of the heart are the issues of life" and God knows our hearts and its inclinations and leanings which decide what the will chooses.

It further tells us that there are records in Heaven where our names are written and our deeds not pre-written but as they occur. Implying that there is nothing like, "God has already written all I will do and concluded it with where I will spend eternity even before I was born". This is wrong and erroneous. Else, what purpose do those records serve?

Yes, God has a purpose for each life eg He told Jeremiah that before he was born He purposed that Jeremiah would be a prophet. However, this is not against Jeremiah's will. From Jonah, we see that Jeremiah could choose to follow this purpose or rebel against it.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Is Just A False Christ by Scholar8200(m): 8:38am On Aug 09, 2016

abduljabbar4:
Yes

But your Quran agrees that Jesus is the Messiah? Is that true?

Christianity Etc › Re: Predestination: Christians Kindly Contribute On This Subject 4 My Understanding. by Scholar8200(m): 8:36am On Aug 09, 2016

honourhim:
Hello brethren, kindly give your views on predestination as recorded in the scriptures quoted below for more understanding to the readers here(including myself).

Romans 8;28-30

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified

The highlighted shows that God's plan of redemption is the same as His purpose in Creation - Man being in His Image. And that purpose was meant for ALL men, not a select few. Saying therefore that God has pre-selected some and rejected others is to say there is an addition to that original purpose which is NOT true.
The call comes to ALL those who respond therefore are the ones who enter His purpose determined from the Beginning. You can choose to join the chosen ones by responding or drop from that choice by backsliding.

For example, after the Isrealites made the Golden Calf, Moses made a call and the Levites responded hence God chose them for Himself among the Israelites instead of the firstborn.
Eli was a Levite and his family was specially chosen. But when he and his sons misbehaved, God gave a version of "Whosoever" in 1 Samuel 2:30

30 Wherefore the Lord God of Israel saith, I said indeed that thy house, and the house of thy father, should walk before me for ever: but now the Lord saith, Be it far from me; [size=15pt]for them that honour me I will honour, and they that despise me shall be lightly esteemed.[/size]

Also

Ephesians 1;4-6, and 10-12.

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
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Meaning God's Eternal purpose was what underpinned the plan of Redemption. That is why another passage talked about the Lamb slain from the
foundation of the World pointing to the fact that it was an accomplished fact according to God's Eternal Purpose after the fall.(though it took time to be fulfilled).
Now if you consider this passage, it is just an expatiation on Romans 8:29 of being conformed to His Image in accordance to His Original purpose in Genesis 1 for Adam and ALL his descendants.

Does the above scripture imply that those who are born again now and those who will be born again in future are predestined for it? Which means those who are not predestined to be born again will never be no matter what? And those who are predestined to be born again will be no matter what? Kindly contribute for more understanding. Thanks.

NO. Else this passages will be a LIE:

9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that [size=16pt]any[/size] should perish, but that [size=17pt]all[/size] should come to repentance.

2 Peter 3:9

Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
1 Timothy 2:4

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Christianity Etc › Re: Catholic Cardinal Declares Mohammed A True Prophet Of God by Scholar8200(m): 8:13am On Aug 09, 2016

According to their catechism, he is in order:
https://www.nairaland.com/2976433/islam-catholicism-unites-catechism

Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Is Just A False Christ by Scholar8200(m): 8:10am On Aug 09, 2016

abduljabbar4:
I can see that the truth means evil to you.

You mean the op is correct?

Christianity Etc › Re: Predestination: Christians Kindly Contribute On This Subject 4 My Understanding. by Scholar8200(m): 4:37pm On Aug 08, 2016

honourhim:
You didn't comment. What's your view about this subject?

i am busy now.

Christianity Etc › Re: Predestination: Christians Kindly Contribute On This Subject 4 My Understanding. by Scholar8200(m): 1:03pm On Aug 08, 2016

honourhim:
Hello brethren, kindly give your views on predestination as recorded in the scriptures quoted below for more understanding to the readers here(including myself).

[b]Romans 8;28-30

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified

Also

Ephesians 1;4-6, and 10-12.

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
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Does the above scripture imply that those who are born again now and those who will be born again in future are predestined for it? Which means those who are not predestined to be born again will never be no matter what? And those who are predestined to be born again will be no matter what? Kindly contribute for more understanding. Thanks.

N.B. Pls note that this thread is not intended to mock God. He is the creator and whatever he want cannot be questioned. I.e. assuming what i think about the above scripture is actually what it means.

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