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ifenes:
@Scholar8200 The entire concept of the end of the world in religious texts is a misinterpreted astrological allegory. The original word there was Age,but some books put world. It is still the same.

Assumptions and opinions of a nairalander.

Jesus is a symbol of the Fish/Pisces at that particular time. The Vatican used a fictional character to hide the fact that they were talking about Astrology

Opinions and thoughts of a NLer that apparently is trying to twist things hoping everybody is ignorant!

ifenes:
I asked you to explain?

What is your question, it's plain enough.

ifenes:
@Scholar8200 Can you explain Matthew 28:20

Reason is to let you know who created the bible

teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
MAtthew 28:20

What do you not understand.

ifenes:
The bible is nothing but continuation of ancient pagan zodiac/astrological tradition. You can draw a diagram with the bible. Every story is a cycle of knowledge put in symbols and fictional characters to get the interest of the reader. I personally read to understand,not to follow.

your opinion, light years from the truth.

ifenes:
What question?

If you are good at reading and understand you will understand the structure on with the Vatican created the bible

The vatican did not create the Bible.

ifenes:
Flee? Do you know the bible very well?

Pls answer this question:

Scholar8200:
How do you mean?

ifenes:
Just say you do not know. No need to argue.

You make a claim and now want to flee?

ifenes:
So who did? Who was responsible for replacing the Sun with Jesus ?

How do you mean?

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ifenes:
Its like saying Boko haram and Islam are different. Boko haram is only following the Koran. Roman Catholic created Christianity and all its characters.

No, RCC did NOT 'create' Christianity!

ifenes:
Are you for real

Sure!

Raphael81:
then mention the real heroes na biko

The ones who had the Bible handed down by the Christian missionaries around 120AD! The Vaudois!

Now the "Waldensian," or "Vaudois" Bibles stretch from about 157 to the 1400s AD. The fact is, according to John Calvin's successor Theodore Beza, that the Vaudois received the Scriptures from missionaries of Antioch of Syria in the 120s AD and finished translating it into their Latin language by 157 AD.

{NO ROMAN CATHOLIC INPUT HERE!)


The evidence of history shows us that the Roman Catholic religion was relentless in its effort to destroy the Vaudois and their Bible. It took them until the 1650s to finish their hateful attacks. But the Vaudois were successful in preserving God's words to the days of the Reformation.

Now we have to ask ourselves a question: Who had the most to gain by adding to or taking away from the Bible? Did the Vaudois, who were being killed for having their Bibles, have anything to gain by adding to or taking from the words of God? Compromise is what the Roman religion wanted! Had the Vaudois just followed the popes, their lives would have been much easier. But they counted the cost. This was not politics; it was their life and soul. They above all people would not want to change a single letter of the words they received from Antioch of Syria. And they paid for this with their lives.


The Reformation itself owes a lot to these Christians in the French Alps. They not only preserved the Scriptures, but they show to what lengths God would go to keep his promise (Psalm 12:6-7).

And that's only part of the story about the preservation of God's words.


http://www.chick.com/ask/articles/1john57.asp

dalaman:
It's a command, an injunction on what to be done if someone entices them to worship other Gods. It shows intent even if it wasn't carried out, their God must have seen it as a good thing for him to have issued such an injunction. Does it matter if it is a retribution? Is killing an entire town including their livestock and burning them up completely a sound retribution for worshiping other Gods?

Well, it was a covenant they willingly entered into, they were not coerced against their will! In fact, Joshua also gave them a chance to change their minds,"choose you this day Whom you will serve" and they insisted that they would serve the Lord!

CoolUsername:
That's not true. The vow wasn't made before that time.
The first time, Jephthah only sent messengers to Ammon. This time he went there himself. And it clearly states that when the Spirit of God came upon him he went to the places and then made the vow.

Also, why is that segment of the Bible that doesn't sit well with a lot of people suddenly not in chronological order?

Chronological order? No! Even the books are not chronologically arranged. eg Job came centuries before Ruth, Samuel etc. Reading that passage, you will notice that the part of Jephthah's vow came in like a parenthesis. Try this without the aspect of the vow:

29 Then the Spirit of the Lord came upon Jephthah, and he passed over Gilead, and Manasseh, and passed over Mizpeh of Gilead, and from Mizpeh of Gilead he passed over unto the children of Ammon.

32 So Jephthah passed over unto the children of Ammon to fight against them; and the Lord delivered them into his hands.

33 And he smote them from Aroer, even till thou come to Minnith, even twenty cities, and unto the plain of the vineyards, with a very great slaughter. Thus the children of Ammon were subdued before the children of Israel
Judges 11:29,32,33

CoolUsername:
This is a very weird response to make if I say so myself. Can you show one instance when someone was killed for bestiality in the Israel?
So why should the fact that this commandment wasn't carried out in the Bible negate what God said?

Do you have info on anyone that committed bestiality in Israel? I have tons of evidence that whole tribes in Israel went into idolatry! Did God command the free tribes to go execute that command? NO

Why you may ask?

The law exposed the sinfulness in all men and anyone trying to execute that command will be gnawed at by his conscience for hypocrisy! Just like the story of the woman caught in adultery!

Raphael81:
so mr old preacher, which church compile bible? if the catholic church is false, then what about the bible, would it affect the validity?yeye man

Never mind, the Catholic church did not give us our Bible. Infact, they tried to corrupt it but thank God for the real heroes!

dalaman:
God in the bible told his chosen men to kill everybody in a city,including livestock and burn them up as a burnt offering unto him.

“[size=14pt]Suppose[/size] you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. “The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him.” Deuteronomy 13:13-19

The highlighted shows that it was a prescription not a direct command against a named Tribe/City etc


Now, can you show us ONE instance when this was done to one of the Tribes of Israel? And, is this prescribed action (which was never carried out) done for pleasure or as a retribution for unfaithfulness to a covenant which they willingly entered into?

CoolUsername:
But the vow wasn't exactly voluntary. Read for reference:

Then the Spirit of the LORD came upon
Jephthah ... And Jephthah vowed a vow unto
the LORD, and said, If thou shalt without fail
deliver the children of Ammon into mine
hands, Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh
forth of the doors of my house to meet me,
when I return in peace from the children of
Ammon, shall surely be the LORD's, and I will
offer it up for a burnt offering. So Jephthah
passed over unto the children of Ammon to
fight against them; and the LORD delivered
them into his hands.... And Jephthah came to
Mizpeh unto his house, and, behold, his
daughter came out to meet him with timbrels
and with dances: and she was his only child....
And it came to pass, when he saw her, that he
rent his clothes, and said, Alas, my daughter!
thou hast brought me very low, and thou art
one of them that trouble me: for I have
opened my mouth unto the LORD, and I cannot
go back. And she said unto him, My father, if
thou hast opened thy mouth unto the LORD, do
to me according to that which hath proceeded
out of thy mouth.... And it came to pass at the
end of two months, that she returned unto her
father, who did with her according to his vow
which he had vowed. Judges 11:29-40

The Spirit of the Lord came upon him for that to happen.

The ellipses inserted there omits what happened after the Spirit came and links it to the wrong vow.

Then the Spirit of the Lord came upon Jephthah, and he passed over Gilead, and Manasseh, and passed over Mizpeh of Gilead, and from Mizpeh of Gilead he passed over unto the children of Ammon.
Judges 11:29

The vow was made before this time:
Then Jephthah went with the elders of Gilead, and the people made him head and captain over them: and Jephthah uttered all his words before the Lord in Mizpeh.
Judges 11:11

Meaning the Spirit had NO hand in it. Besides, the Spirit will never contradict the word!

Philadelphia:
All these your cut and join would never take you anywhere. You are quoting in parts just to make your "points" seem "valid". Why don't you read the next 3 verses and get explanation to where you quoted? Well this is it:

James 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, [size=14pt]Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself[/size], ye do well: 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

The royal law was clearly stated there and it is NOT part of the 10 commandments!

2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

I find nothing here that enjoins keeping the law for salvation! Besides, would you claim that the Priests were guilty of breaking the whole law since they profaned the sabbath? When Jesus said they were blameless The law had its purpose sir!

What do you understand by the bolded? When you hear "royal" it relates to King, palace, etc. The only King that gave a law in the bible is King Jesus who is God. His law is the royal law. Other earthly kings gave decrees.
Paul also gave us further explanations on the royal law to tell you that it is to just only one but is a constituent. He gave us an example @ the one in purple. javascript:void(0);
Amongst all the laws you know of in the bible, which one do you find "do not commit adultery" "do not kill"? Answer my questions.

The passage that itemised some parts of the 10 commandments that you quoted came after this (not royal law):

For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all
James 2:10

He mentioned the royal law and gave its contents; he mentioned the whole law and gave samples of its contents, is this hard to see?

Now juxtapose this with these quotes from Romans 3 and get a better, scriptural understanding of James' context!

Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall NO flseh be justified in His sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin
Romans 3:20 Does this sound like someone about to ask people to keep the law to be saved? I trow not!


2. But now, the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, BEING WITNESSED BY THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS; even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ!!!
Romans 3:21,22a

If you still choose to be stiff-necked, I'd let you be but do not allow my words testify against you on the day of judgement.

Are we justified by faith or by keeping the law? Answer with scriptural reference to back up.

DoctorAlien:
For this debate to continue, you have to answer the question: Did Jesus Christ obey the 10 Commandments when He was on earth? Yes or No?

For me to answer your question, ask thus,''Did Jesus Christ obey the 10 commandments as He said He did in ( give book, chapter and verse)

DoctorAlien:
What then is the royal Law? If the 10 Commandments which were written by the finger of GOD, the King of the universe, is not royal, which law is royal then?

Did Jesus Obey the 10 Commandments of GOD when He was on earth? Yes or No?

8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
James 2:8
Pray what number is the highlighted in the 10 commandments?

Like PAul noted, the Royal law, an expression of the Divine Nature, is the substance of the 10 commandments!!!

DoctorAlien:
What then is the royal Law? If the 10 Commandments which were written by the finger of GOD, the King of the universe, is not royal, which law is royal then?

Did Jesus Obey the 10 Commandments of GOD when He was on earth? Yes or No?

8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
James 2:8
Pray what number is the bolded in the 10 commandments?

Like PAul noted, the Royal law, an expression of the Divine Nature, is the substance of the 10 commandments!!!

DoctorAlien:
Can you explain what Paul meant when He said he established/upheld the Law in Romans 3:31? If this is the same Law which you claim has been done away with, how is it that Paul establishes it?

31 Do we then nullify the Law by this faith [making the Law of no effect, overthrowing it]? Certainly not! On the contrary, we confirm and establish and uphold the Law [since it convicts us all of sin, pointing to the need for salvation].
Romans 3:31 AMP

This was said against the background of the terms of reference for the law viz:

Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall NO flesh be justified in His sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin
Romans 3:20


Salvation through Christ alone!

Making it clear that the Law fulfilled its part as a schoolmaster in bringing us to Christ by Whom alone we are justified!

The funny part of this is that this particular epistle was written to Romans, those you would refer to as "gentiles". There is neither Jew nor Gentile in Christ, anyway.

I know!

The reason for the mention has been clarified bro! Why dont you rebuke the Apostles that said this first?

14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?

15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,
Galatians 2:14,15
It was mentioned then and here only for explanatory purposes!

So, if as you claimed, "gentiles" were not admonished to keep the Holy Sabbath of GOD, how is it that Paul tells the Romans, "We establish the law"? Is the Holy Sabbath of GOD not part of the Law Paul established/upheld?

Also, did Jesus keep the 10 Commandments of GOD when He was on earth? Yes or No?

That passage in Romans is not talking of making gentiles keep the law but leading all men to see the ffg:

1. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall NO flseh be justified in His sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin
Romans 3:20 Does this sound like someone about to ask people to keep the law to be saved? I trow not!


2. But now, the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, BEING WITNESSED BY THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS; even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ!!!
Romans 3:21,22a

The righteousness of God made available by faith in Him Who fulfilled the Law and the Prophets!!! Does this still sound like someone saying ,"keep the law that thou might be saved"??

Dont just take the last verse and build a teaching, consider the whole chapter, nay the whole epistle and the context of the writer!!!

elveco:
Colossians 2 ... please.

Thanks a lot!!!

Nevertheless, I was concerned about the possibility of far older Gospels when I was stating that Christianity was invented around 325 A.D., but the research thread leads back to Eusebius, the FORGER, (“Papias, quoted by Eusebius…”).

And the Bible was available in 120 AD, then how come?!

From:http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/tacitus.htmlGordon Stein denied the authenticity of this passage, arguing: (1) no corroborating evidence that Nero persecuted the Christians (2) there was not a multitude of Christians in Rome at that date (3) Christian wasnot a common term in the first century (4) Nero was indifferent to various religions in his city (5) Nero did not start the fire in Rome (6) Tacitus does not use the name Jesus (7) Tacitus assumes his readers know Pontius PilateYes, but what about Josephus?

How could christian be a common term when they had to code it as ICTHUS then while Nero (54AD-68AD) reigned to avoid being killed?

And is Antioch in Rome?


Whosoever loves the truth should get this book, "Foxes Book of Martyrs"and compare with secular history!

We must frankly admit that we have no source of information with respect to the life of Jesus Christ other than ecclesiastic writings assembled during the fourth century.” (Codex Sinaiticus, Dr Constantin von Tischendorf, BritishLibrary, London)

So said a liar cleaving to the highly corrupted Codex Sinaiticus when other faithful saints had the 120AD Bible! Indeed birds of a feather...

As usual resorting to purveyors of questionable manuscripts eg codex sinaiticus etc

If it started with Constantine, why did they persecute and martyr the disciples of Christ who lived at least 2 centuries before the birth of Constantine?

How come the Bible handed down to the Vaudois was ready since 120-157 AD almost 1.5 centuries before Constantine and Eusebius?

Saint Constantine’s copycat religion was based upon a myth (The Persian savior god Mithra, crucified 600 B.C. ? 400 B.C.?), which was based on other similar myths, all the way back toChrishna of India (a mythical god that some claim was “crucified” around 1200 B.C.). There were 16 mythical crucifixions before Christ. The belief in the crucifixion of Gods was prevalent invarious oriental or heathen countries long prior to the reported crucifixion of Christ. Of the 16 crucifixions,most were born of a virgin and about half of them on December 25th.

If this is so then the Quran lied too! OR it harbours the other idolaters(Persian, Indians) and accuses Christians and Jews alone! Why?

As usual resorting to purveyors of questionable manuscripts eg codex sinaiticus etc

If it started with Constantine, why did they persecute and martyr the disciples of Christ?

How come the Bible handed down to the Vaudois was ready since 120-157 AD almost 1.5 centuries before Constantine?

yemixi4real:
A strong argument ensued between myself and colleagues about the story of JEPHTHAH and his daughter in Judges 11.

Bible scholars, please let's read and analysed this chapter.

Well, I am still a learner; however, the vow rashly made by Jephthah was neither demanded by God nor practised by anyone. In fact, the law forbade use of children as sacrifice and gives specific prescriptions for any sacrifice to be made. This means the vow was made by Jephthah but was not acceptable by God! God granted victory because He had desired to deliver His people as Judges 10:15,16 shows:

15 The Israelites said to the Lord, “We have sinned, do to us whatever seems good to You; only please rescue us this day.” 16 So they removed the foreign gods from among them and served the Lord; and He could bear the misery of Israel no longer.
Judges 10:15,16

After all HE granted victory to Gideon, Barak etc without a vow!


But since it was a time when all men did what was right in his own eyes, Jephthah is fully responsible for his actions!

6 In those days there was no king in Israel; every man did what was right in his own eyes.

Judges 17:6

jayzon:
Matthew 19vs28...."jesus said to them you can be sure that when the son of man sits on his glorious throne in the new age then you twelve will also sit on thrones to rule the twelve tribes of isreal..........he said dat before Judas betrayed him....so he gave him assurance of mkin heaven.......even tho he hanged himself

But after Judas betrayed Him,he lost that opportunity and that privilege was given to another:

17 For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.
18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.
19 And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood.
20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.
21 Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,
22 beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.
that he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.

Acts 1:17-22,25

This further refutes the LIE of , "once saved, forever saved"!

The promise is sure based on Him that made it, but our faith is not permanent hence we are warned to watch and hold fast.

ishaqteejay:
i got #12000 for the 3 bags which i broke even from the first harvest and hoping to get my second harvest next week with more bags.

Very nice one Op. Would you mind giving us a list of start-up costs?