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Philadelphia:
So are the 10 commandments still valid?

and be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
Philipians 3:9

Philadelphia:
Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Dead to sin not by following the law but by faith in Christ!

Philadelphia:
Do you find the passover in the moral law or in the ceremonial law?

The emphasis there is in the word forever as it relates to the observance of the passover. Why then did Christ establish the Lord's supper in its place?

Philadelphia:
Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

What commandments is Jesus asking us to keep?
What else would keeping the scripture do to us? If keeping the law is irrelevant, why did Jesus keep the law and encourage us too to keep it?

Pray, show me where He said this should be done as a means of receiving eternal life! (When He even told a member of the sanhedrin and a high standing Jew/Pharisee, except a man be born again, born of the Spirit)

1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. So tell me, can a sinner enter into heaven?
If a sinner can't, then it's essential that the law must be kept.

When the Bible states that NO ONE is justified by the law?

Jesus kept the law and Wass sinless. This is one of the reasons he was "spotless" and fit to be our sacrificial lamb.

So Jesus spotlessness arose from keeping the Law What heresy!!!

Philadelphia:
James 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Meaning Jesus kept the 10 commandment.

You just shot yourself in the leg.

The royal law is not the 10 commandments! Jesus fulfilled all the Law and the prophets, He said this Himself. Besides, that passage was not written to Jesus, or about Jesus!

Philadelphia:
Now I see your bias. You annul some parts of the OT but uphold all of the NT.

Specify that which I nullify.
You will need to level these accusations to those who wrote the NT who, having far better understanding of the law than you, wrote such as:

Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Galatians 5:4

There are two dispensations, Moses- Law, Jesus- Grace and Truth(that sets free from sin and its power).

Scholar8200:
Because it could only go as far as revealing man's sinful nature and need Romans 7:13,14
Besides:
For what the law could NOT do, in that it was weak through the flesh ... Romans 8:3a (read on).

The law was to bring us to Christ!
Philadelphia:
Oh! So you need what would hide your sins and guilts? No wonder you are so bent on dealing treacherously with the 4th commandment as it doesn't bring an immediate guilt when you break it. I see

Say that to the writer of Romans 7 and 8 and He Who Inspired him. Besides, do you realise that the law stops at this point and justifies NO ONE?

16 knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Galatians 2:16,17

The law only brings us to Christ:

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto [size=14pt]Christ, that we might be justified by faith.[/size] 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster
Galatians 3:24,25

DoctorAlien:
What does Matt. 5:17-19 talk about teaching men to disregard any part of GOD's law?

This is where you should realise the fact. The pharisees religiously held to the law and sabbath(even accusing Jesus of violating same) yet Jesus said we must have righteousness that exceed that of the pharisees! That is why Paul said he desired to be,''found in Him, not having the righteousness which is of the law but that which is of the faith of Christ...''Phil 3:9 The latter is higher than the former by eternity.

DoctorAlien:
Answer with yes or no: Does GOD have His own commandments while Christ has His own commandments?

The Old covenant and New covenant with all their various terms were by God's design! It is a case of one dispensation giving way for the other. Hence the dichotomy you are trying to make has no place.

DoctorAlien:
Did Jesus also not command you not to break any of the commandments of GOD nor teach men to do so? (Matt. 5:17-19)

And Jesus fulfilled those commandments and that is also done by the Spirit for those who believe on Jesus! Romans 8:3,4. That is why Jesus called us to believe on Him (He being the True Vine and we the branches sharing the same life) because the law came by Moses, Grace and Truth came by Jesus.

DoctorAlien:
So how do you relate this with Rom. 6:1 and 1 Jn 3:4?

When we abide in Him, we receive grace to live in victory over sin. John defines sin as transgression of the law but reveals that the way of freedom is Christ: believing on, and abiding in Him (not the law).
Jesus was so named because ,''He would save... from their sins''. That is what the law could not do.
All men are born sinners hence no amount of striving to keep the law will justify us. But when we receive the righteousness of God (see Romans 3:19-22 through faith in Christ, we are made free from sin and enabled by Grace to live in righteousness and holiness.

DoctorAlien:
The Law demands you don't steal, kill, bear false witness. Have you been freed from these demands?

The righteous demands with all its application to heart disposition and external actions is made possible for me by the Spirit that came after I believed. Hence I dont try to please God by straining after the 10 commandments! Rather I endeavour to walk in the Spirit by continual faith.

DoctorAlien:
LOL. Since you don't know whether He obeyed the 10 Commandments or not, explain the word "FULFILL" as used in that text.

HE FULFILLED THE LAW, ITS RIGHTEOUS DEMANDS, TYPES AND SHADOWS ENDING THE OT AND USHERING IN THE NEW COVENANT! THAT IS WHY HE COULD INSTITUTE THE LORD'S SUPPER IN PLACE OF THE PASSOVER.
Do you realise that the passover too was to be observed forever Exodus 12:14 that pointed to He that would fulfil all things!

DoctorAlien:
GOD is Holy, Righteous and Good. The Law is Holy, righteous and good(Rom. 7:12). How can we be alive to GOD (who is Holy, righteous and good) and dead to the Law (which is Holy, righteous and good)?

Through Christ! The Spirit inspired Paul to write what he wrote.

...made under the law, to redeem them that are under the law, that we might we receive the adoption of sons
Galatians 4:4b,5

We were sinners and were helpless to attain the righteous demands of the law. Jesus came, fulfilled the law (so He owed no debt arising from a violated law), and died paying the penalty we deserved for violating the law. As we identify by faith with His death, we are also freed from the demands of the law we violated but He imparts His nature and by the Holy Spirit indwelling us enable us to live a life that meets and satisfies the righteous demands of the law
Romans 8:1-4

DoctorAlien:
Now, if you are no longer under the moral Law of GOD as you claim, under whose law are you now?

Let Paul, nay, the Spirit answer:

...the Law of the Spirit of Life In Christ Jesus Romans 8:2


John further says:
...the doctrine of Christ... 2 John 9

Jesus seals it up thus:
...all that I have commanded you...Matthew 28:20

DoctorAlien:
Which commandments do you think Rev. 12:17 and Rev. 14:12 are talking about? Answer me.

It talks about the testimony of Jesus referring to the NT and redemption He accomplished on the Cross; this is a continual refrain in Heaven as Revelations 5:9 shows.

In the NT, the commandments we obey after we believe is the One given by He Who justified us and Who fulfilled the law. He told the disciples thus:

..teach them to observe all things whatsoever I have COMMANDED you... Matthew 28:20
He said quite a lot and gives grace that enables us but He was silent on sabbath observance!

DoctorAlien:
After bringing us to Christ, what happens with the Law? Tell me.

Let Paul, nay , the Spirit answer you:

But after that faith is come, we are no longer a school master Galatians 3:24,25

However,

When we believe on Christ and walk in the Spirit, the righteous demands of the law is fulfilled in us by reason of the Life that we receive from Him Who fulfilled the Law.

DoctorAlien:
In Romans 6:11, we are made to know that we are dead to sin. And then we are also told we are dead to the law. Is the Law sin?

God forbid! The law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ and when we come to Christ, through identification with Him, we are dead to the schoolmaster, free to be joined to Him that rose from the dead that we may walk in newness of life and live unto God not in the oldness of the letter!

DoctorAlien:
Did Jesus obey the 10 Commandments when He was on earth? Answer with yes or no.

So we can know where this argument stands

He fulfilled the law.

DoctorAlien:
Quote any of the statements I made that "implicates" the Lord and His apostles.

Do you realise that you accuse them of being partial in the law Malachi 2:9 since NONE of them urged followers to keep the sabbath in order to be saved. Besides you make things worse by saying they were silent about it because no issue on sabbath then! Do you realise what this suggests? That all they did and said is only relevant for the people then but not for us since they did not face what we are facing? Wither the inspiration of the Spirit and what purpose does prophecy serve? Moreover, those that gave prophesies about the future said NOTHING about sabbath breaking! Were they being partially sighted?

DoctorAlien:
Can you please explain what "ye are become dead to the law" means?

Also, since the law is Holy and Righteous and good, why would we need to be delivered from it?

Because it could only go as far as revealing man's sinful nature and need Romans 7:13,14
Besides:
For what the law could NOT do, in that it was weak through the flesh ... Romans 8:3a (read on).

The law was to bring us to Christ!

DoctorAlien:
I posted a link somewhere above about Romans 7. Please, do well to click on that link to understand the message GOD is trying to pass across there.

Kindly summarise it. But note that it must agree with other declarations in scripture, particularly the NT.

DoctorAlien:
Tell me where and how I implied that the Bible needs to be updated?

Instead, you're the one who has outrightly implied that the Bible needs to be updated, since you have disputed the truths contained in it. What can a man have against the moral Law of GOD? You keep resisting the truths of the Bible, twisting and distorting and misinterpreting Bible verses to suit the lie you have chosen to believe.

First level these accusations against Paul who by the revelation of the Spirit said:
...whosoever of you are justified by the law, ye are fallen from grace Gal 5:4b

...ye also are become dead to the law by the Body of Christ Romans 7:4b

...but now we are delivered from the law Romans 7:6a
Etc
I urge you to read the full chapters and see how you contradict the Spirit that inspired these!

With what are the disciples of GOD sealed? Isa. 8:16 answers.

By the Holy Spirit
...ye were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise
Ephesians 1:13b

It does not matter whether you are in the RCC or not: all the churches which have inherited Sunday worship from the RCC and teach and practice it are the harlots being talked about in Rev. 17:5. The RCC is the mother of harlots.

Funny interpretation that! Besides, you claim this much was revealed about RCC yet no one stressed the need to keep the sabbath then because there was no issue about it?
They saw the LovePeddler but did not see her activities and warn those who would be there at that time very preposterous claims indeed!

DoctorAlien:
James 2:10 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all". James was writing this epistle to the early church of which Gentiles were part. This is James exhorting Christians to keep the commandments of GOD fully, not choose some to keep, and others not to keep.

You honour your parents, you don't kill, you don't steal, you don't bear false witness, you don't covet; all these things are from the same law. Why then would you choose to break one of the laws? Is the 4th commandment not also part of the Law?

You are the one implying that the Bible needs to be updated, if you dispute what is so clearly written in the Bible.

Rather, you are the one interpreting a portion to support your claim even if that interpretation does not agree with other passages!

DoctorAlien:
The Bible is complete. I wonder when the completeness of the Bible became an issue.

Then why do you claim that a subject was not emphasized, nor commanded in the NT because the problem had not started then? What of all the clearly futuristic prophecies and continual warnings on what to do?

DoctorAlien:
Why would you even bring up the word "gentile" in your argument? Do you consider yourself a gentile even when you claim to be a Christian? When the GOD is very clear that "there is neither Jew nor Gentile...in Christ Jesus"(Gal. 3:28) ?

Why not ask Paul why he used the word in Romans to make a distinction in explanation?

We are the spiritual Israel of GOD. The excuse that the Gentiles were not commanded to keep the Sabbath of GOD is a lie I don't know where you got from.

I also wish you will show me where you got it from that the Gentiles that believed on Jesus were to be made to keep the sabbath in order to be saved!

There is neither Jew nor Gentile in Christ.

But the apostle had to use that term in making distinctions when making some analysis and that is what I have been doing.


If you hear His word today, do not harden your heart.[/quote]I wonder what you would have told the rich, young ruler if he told you he had kept all the law but still lacked the substance!

DoctorAlien:
Now answer the question with yes or no: did Jesus obey the 10 Commandments when He was on earth?

Let the Lord answer you:
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets; I am not come to destroy but to FULFIL
Matthew 5:17

There you have your answer.

DoctorAlien:
Indeed, whoever that teaches you that you can now disregard the Holy Sabbath of GOD is a false teacher, whoever he is. Paul warned us about such teachers, who have a "form of godliness but deny the power thereof" (2 Tim 3:5).

The funny part of it is that Paul says that they are "Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of truth"(2 Tim 3:7). LOL. They think they know much about GOD and His ways yet they continue in stark disobedience to the even the plainest of the truths of GOD revealed in the Bible.

But why the deafening silence about the 'plainest of the truths' where many other vices are painstakingly prophesied! Especially when you claim it is essential for salvation!
I wonder why you did not clarify the issues raised but rather makes claims that implicates the Lord and His apostles!

DoctorAlien:
Which of my claims are wrong? And how many times will I have to tell you that this argument surrounding the Sabbath of GOD was not there when Jesus and the apostles and the early Christians were on earth? Were the apostles ever accused of breaking GOD's Sabbath?

In/effect, you are implying that Jesus could reveal the moral conditions in the last days in Matthew 24 but failed to see the sabbath issue then; Paul could prophesy about the spiritual declension in the last days as 2 Timothy 3 shows but somehow skipped sabbath breaking; Peter, Jude etc perfectly described the impact of false teachers in the last days yet NONE was Inspired by the Spirit to see sabbath breaking!!! What an outrageous claim

DoctorAlien:
Show me any single text in the Bible where it is implied that at the time Jesus and the apostles were on earth, there was any doubt as to whether the Sabbath had to be kept or not.

Question: IS THE BIBLE COMPLETE OR NEEDS SOME ADDENDA TO MATCH PRESENT CHALLENGES THAT WERE NOT THERE AT THE TIME OF WRITING?

DoctorAlien:
Which of my claims are wrong? And how many times will I have to tell you that this argument surrounding the Sabbath of GOD was not there when Jesus and the apostles and the early Christians were on earth? Were the apostles ever accused of breaking GOD's Sabbath?

And how many times did they urge the Gentiles to keep the sabbath for salvation? The excuse of the sabbath not being an issue then suggests rather heretically, that the Bible needs to be updated to address modern day issues! God forbid!

DoctorAlien:
Here is Ezekiel prophesying about the apostate church (the Roman Catholic Church) breaking the Sabbath of GOD and teaching men to do so:
Ezekiel 22:26 "Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things...and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned among them"

That is not a prophesy! It is simply uncovering the sins prevalent then. What holy things was profaned by the Rcc? (BY THE WAY I AM NOT A CATHOLIC) who were the reference here according to the context?