₦airaland Forum

How come every time Wike will be mentioning Security Council when we are battling a virus that has to do with medical. Does that mean his deputy who is from the medical line and the the commissioner of health can’t advise the governor? What does Security Council have to do with medical war?

ogbonti:
regardless of whether Obaseki wins the primary or not, folks here on NAIRALAND supporting Oshiomole, are the very reason why the average Nigerian politician disrespects and humiliates the Nigerian citizen at every given opportunity.

WHY DO I SAY SO ? you may ask

Just 4 years ago, Oshiomole released a canon about Ize -Iyamu which is a criminal allegation. He said "Pastor Osagie Ize-Iyamu, a known culitst - poured conc acid on a fellow human being, is that the type of man you want as your governor?" NEWSFLASH - Oshiomole was right.

He continued, "the so called Pastor Ize-Iyamu was a major part of the looting machine that impoverished Edo State from 1999 - 2007 in the Lucky Igbinedion administration and Lucky said if Ize-Iyamu wins, it is like (Lucky) is given a third term to rule Edo State" NEWSFLASH - Oshiomole was right.

In 8 years of the Igbinedion era, no single road was rehabilitated, no major project was done - all funds were looted, thugs intimidated every sane voice in the land and the state was in deep dudu, with workers owed salaries for months and years, Ize-Iyamu as Chief of staff was life the de facto Governor - he called the shots. Luck's father, Chief Gabriel Igbinedion and Osagie's father - Late Chief Robert Osayande Ize-Iyamu were like siemens twins, wherever you see one. you see the other and they are blood relatives

so to those who do not know what is going on - are the ones spewing bs on nairaland - this is why I said in a previous thread, APC has a lot to gain backing Obaseki than Oshiomole because the Edo people, especially the Binis do not want Ize-Iyamu. This info I am giving you here freely is a hard core fact in the streets in Benin City and other towns in the state

Ordinarily, Oshiomole as a matter of political ethics should recuse himself from the state primaries. In Law, there is a maxim called "Nemo Judex in Causa Sua" - you cannot be a judge in your own case. It is not done!!!

However - it is Nigeria, where the word "ethics" is an aberration. So, let Oshiomole take the primaries, Obaseki like I predicted, if he runs in a small party like KOWA or Labour, he will defeat Ize -Iyamu easily, I WILL BET MY 2 TESTICLES.

Obaseki has the financial war chest to make it happen, He is the incumbent Governor and he has the name recognition - and IZE-IYAMU is not a choice the state want to risk having because of his records.

It is game on!

Obaseki knows that he can’t win under another party, that’s the reason he is trying to have the primary his way. Remember what happened to Amosun and Okorocha’s candidates when they were the incumbents in their respective states. Obaseki can’t stand the heat that will come from the Federal if he try that because Edo election is the only election that day unlike the 2019 general elections that Amosun and Okorocha were busy rigging their candidates.
I am not supporting Oshiomohle or Obaseki. But I am just telling you the fact about the situation on ground. Obaseki is fighting a lost battle because before the date of the primary some of his loyalist will start resigning. Remember he did not have the majority of the HOA in his camp. Those he refused to swear in were still holding that against him. He should have wait till he win the Second term before he start this unnecessary fight. The forces against him are more than those in his support. The day Abba Kyari died was the day Obaseki lost everything.

ogbonti:
awww i just mentioned you again - go fight with your keyboard

The question I want to ask you is that. Are those that are going to vote in the Direct Primary not Edo indigenes? Why is Obaseki trying to rewrite the Party’s constitution to Favour himself? There are 2 factions in Edo APC already and the party constitution says whenever there are factions the NWC have the right to organize Governorship Primary also it’s the same NWC that will submit the names of party flag bearers to INEC. Obaseki didn’t think all this through before he starts fighting Oshiomohle.
The day the Abuja court remove Oshiomohle, Obaseki was everywhere celebrating not knowing that there’s appeal. Even after Oshiomohle said he has forgiven those that tried to remove him from office. Few weeks later Obaseki’s Commissioner came out to insult Oshiomohle.
Obaseki did not have good advisers but praise singers.
Let us be sincere to ourselves the chances of Obaseki winning the party ticket is 30-35%.

samdaisi:
please can somebody elite me between direct and indirect primary that everybody will vote in his/her ward and go and the ones that different people will come from different wards and local government gathering together with different sickness and diseases like covid 19 in hotel to vote in state capital which one is perilous

Direct Primary - All registered party members in the state will vote in their respective wards. The posters of the contestants will be paste and the members will line up behind the poster of their preferred candidate, counting will take place and announcement made to the public. This happens in the whole ward of the state. Example is the APC primary in Lagos state between Ambode and Sanwo-olu.

Indirect Primary- is when selected delegates were picked from each ward and send to the state capital. They’re gathered at a place and secret ballot voting takes place. Example of indirect primary is the PDP presidential election won by Atiku.

The Last Lady did not say anything about the allegation the guy leveled against her. Is it true she travelled from Imo to Ondo state when there’s inter-State lockdown? It’s a shame that we have people like this in corridors of power.

ogbonti:
i say it here all the time that we have indomie generation political analyst who know nothing about politics- let me school you on what happened in Nigeria in the second Republic just before Buhari and Idiagbon ousted the government of President Shehu Usman Aliyu Shagari of the NPN


there were 3 States in Nigeria then who had real tsunami like gubernatorial elections

Anambra - the home state of Dr. Nnamdi Azikiwe had Jim Ifeanyichukwu Nwobodo of NPP, who was running for re-election against Chief CC Onoh (Bianca Ojukwu’s father) who was the NPN candidate

In Oyo - a state controlled by Chief Obafemi Awolowo’s party had Chief Bola Ige of the UPN, who was running for re-election against Dr. Victor Omololu Olunloyo of the NPN

In Ondo, Pa Michael Adekunle Ajasin of UPN was running for re-election against Prince Akin Omoboriowo of the NPN

In all 3 scenarios, the incumbents were defeated due to alleged wide scale rigging by the NPN (the party of President Shagari) being supervised by then Chairman of the Federal Electoral Commission (FEDECO) Justice Ovie-Whiskey

HOWEVER - all 3 newly elected governors had one problem. They could not resume and function as the newly elected governors because they lacked legitimacy. The people didn’t want them - and it was obvious. Even Pa Ajasin once mocked Omoboriowo saying,

“what is the elected governor of Ondo State doing outside Akure - he should come and resume work if he is convinced he won the election” -

this was the issue with cases lingering at the supreme court and excessive violence until the military coup of December 31,1983 when then Brigadier Sani Abacha announced the coup that ended Shagari’s government

what am i trying to say here ?

Oshiomole must understand that those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it

if the people really want Obaseki than Ize Iyamu, as it is widely believed in Edo State, then trying to force Obaseki out through electoral primary manipulation will only be counter productive. it will lead to incessant violence and blood shed and the aftermath is not what Oshiomole wants to imagine.

whatever he does, Oshiomole should realize he is not a Bini man and when push comes to shove -when the chips are down - the average bini man will never abandon their own. Let him go and read the history of what happened to Professor Ambrose Alli and Dr. S.O. Ogbemudia in the 1983 Bendel State gubernatorial election. As good as Ali was, when it was time to decide, the bini man voted for Ogbemudia.

Oshiomole will be consumed at the end because the average bini man will not abandon their son when faced with unprecedented arrogance from a non bini person. EVERYONE BORN OF A WOMAN IN EDO STATE KNOWS THAT THE BINIS CONTROL EDO STATE POLITICS!

BOOK MARK THIS PAGE FOR FUTURE REFERENCE- THANK YOU!

Mr History. Can you counter the point I made about the reason Edo APC had indirect primary in 2016? It’s a shame that you want to prove that you know much about nigeria and at the end of the day you just show the whole world how biased your opinion is by playing tribalism. Please don’t mention me again. The Fufu generation

AhoadaRivers:
Who is Trump's Godfather?

The only legitimate Godfathers are the people who vote. Godfatherism is anti-democratic and encourages selection not election. You can as well stop wasting people's electoral fund and ask your Godfather to choose presidents, governors by the stroke of the pen.

Oshiomhole should go and take several seats.

Did Trump win the Popular votes?

toogbasky:
Thank God one person has sense here,, i feel sorry when i see other comments

This forum is full of those who don’t even know the scheme of things around them and they want to come online to form guru and they’re the loudest. But we will be trying our best to educate them.

ProfAmaben:
You can, it is evident in so many states

Please mention the states. Even Trump was once a Godfather and now there are some people underground acting as Godfathers in USA. You won’t hear about them because their politics is not like ours.

comshots:
The reason for the battle between an ex godfather and exvgodson in edo is that the godfather want to be bossing his godson around like Lagos state where one ex gov is dictating who becomes the governor and lawmakers respectively.Another reason is that the godfather want to be collecting pension and be getting contract award to him in the state just like bourdilon.But the godson refused.So he want the ex godson replace by all means necessary.If Edo people allow godfatherism in Edo state they have themselves to blame for any misfortune that comes before them.

Even in America and UK there are Godfathers in politics. The question you should ask yourself is that why did Obaseki accept to be Godson before the election? Why can’t he say no when the so called Godfather was working hard to make him the state Governor? You can’t separate politics and Godfatherism.

Oshiomohle and Edo APC opted for indirect primary in 2016 because there was no faction in the state APC then. But now there are 2 factions and the APC constitution gave the NWC the power to organize Governorship primaries. The best way to go is not to allow the 2 factions hold parallel primaries which is the reason the NWC choose Direct Primary. It’s unfortunate that Obaseki and his minions are fighting someone who head the NWC and that makes Oshiomohle’s work very easy to get back at Obaseki. People like this so called party chieftain misled Obaseki now they’re trying to safe their faces after pushing him to the dungeon of politics.

paramboos:
Edo state will b lost to the opposition, mark my word. Another Zamfara loading. Remember Oshiomole remains suspended likewise the Gov's faction. There is going to b a parallel primary election, after which all these will b challenged in court to the advantage of the opposition.

APC learnt from Zamfara issue and that’s the reason the NWC choose the Direct Primary. The question is why is Obaseki running up and down to the so called God fathers.

When we are saying that Obaseki can’t win this unreasonable fight his starting against Oshiomohle, the children of hate were busy calling us names. Now where are the Edo is not Lagos crew?. Where are the Obaseki is a political giant in edo crew?
As far as the primary in edo is concerned Obaseki is a forgotten story. He will run to everyone he has insulted in the last 2 years but it will be too late. PMB will tell him to obey party decision. Now Oyegun and the state party faction should be able to win him return ticket. Obaseki goofed by starting the fight because he want to control everything as a sitting Governor, but now he will not complete his dream 8 years.

joyandfaith:
what if obaseki wins direct primary? what if government declares curfew in day of primary and scuttle the whole process?

Can you stop thinking like someone who doesn’t even pass through the 4 walls of a secondary school.

“My impression is that it is the national body that organises primaries for governorship elections, not the state executive of APC. If that is the case, what it means is that Oshiomhole is right.

This is what we’ve been telling those political travelers that the NWC is the only organ of the party to organize primary election for Governorship ticket. Now Obaseki can start looking for another party to contest under because He can’t escape this trap set by Oshiomohle.

moderatedguy:
Lol u re just a kid watch how PDP wud shift their Primaries.

Dreamer you don't know anything about Naija Politics. Obaseki is gone for good in Edo APC.

ikh777:
The answer you seek is in 1 Corinthians 8

pls study it with a good translation.

TRUTHS ABOUT THINGS LIKE THIS ARE NOT FOR DEBATE, IF TRULY YOU ARE A CHRISTIAN, Go to the bible and find your answers... ASSUMPTION IS COSTLY.

Does that mean Meals prepared during Easter is meant for idols?

moderatedguy:
Yea .....let's say Oshio succeed in outwitting Obaseki as d APC candidate.As a PDP candidate Obaseki will coast to victory with INEC in his pocket.

Do you know that PDP will do their Primary before APC?

moderatedguy:
But the decision on the type of primaries to adopted is to be made by the NEC of the party and not the NEC.. .. Oshio has shot himself on d foot.

The mode of primary to be adopted is to be made by the NWC and not the NEC.
This is APC constitution section 13.5 xiv. Organize Primary Election forthe nomination of its Presidential Candidates, Governorship Candidates and Candidates for election into the National and State Assemblies.

FuckAllTheMODs:
There were primary elections in the two states but the game changes(power tussle) and the court ordered INEC not to recognize the candidates fielded by the warring sides.

The APC constitution gave only the NWC the power to organize primaries for Governorship election.

pineed:
Gbam! Exactly my thoughts too.. If you're very sure of your popularity, you won't mind the mode of primaries used.

Google the party constitution. Section 13 sub section vii point clear that the NWC will organize the primary election for President, Governors, National and state Assembly elections. Obaseki is gone.

nzeobi:
They were sworn in and became floor members after their gra gra.
Oshiomhole does not have the fight a sitting governor and mind you even if obaseki defects to pdp he will still win cos pdp is very strong in Edo state

Section 13 of the APC constitution gave the NWC the power to organize the primaries for Presidential, Governorship,National and state assembly election. The state party only have the power to organize primaries into local government elections. Obaseki lost out.

nzeobi:
They were sworn in and became floor members after their gra gra.
Oshiomhole does not have the fight a sitting governor and mind you even if obaseki defects to pdp he will still win cos pdp is very strong in Edo state

You’re just arguing baseless. From your last sentence it shows that you yourself know that Obaseki is a goner in this upcoming APC primary. And mind you PDP can’t give him the party ticket with dividing the party also. Except he defect to another party he will not participate in the election.

nzeobi:
You guys said the same thing when he inaugurated the HOA and he came out tops.

Were the members he refused to inaugurate not later got sworn into the house? This is a different matter entirely. Amosun who has been Buhari’s friend for over 20 years did not have his way with this same pattern Obaseki want to use. Obaseki is a goner.

senatordave1:
Am not too sure but when it comes to primaries,the nwc sets up a committee to conduct the primaries,declare results and sunlit to the nwc.so you see that the law is heavily on their side.zamfara was lost because the nwc was not involved and the state chapter conducted it alone.

I’ve telling those comparing this case with Zamfara and Rivers the same thing. But they choose not to understand they’re different cases. In rivers it is the ward congress conducted in 2018 that made them lose out because there were 2 parallel congresses. Most of them supporting Obaseki knows that he is a goner but they won’t say the truth because of their hatred for Oshiomhole or they’re novice. The electoral act as amended gave the NWC right to choose the mode of primary and submission of candidate to INEC.

FuckAllTheMODs:
First of all, who is in control of the State chapter of the party?
And again, stop saying the law supports the NWC to determine the mode of primary because it is already causing controversy and dilemna. The party national deputy chairman accused the chairman of irregularities.
If you are observant, you will know this will lead to court and the case will end up as the case of Rivers or Zamfara.

The party deputy chairman is complaining about the the party national secretary and not the mode of primary. Obaseki is gone as far as the primary is concerned.

FuckAllTheMODs:
What happened in Rivers, Zamfara etc will happen in Edo if care is not taken.

Who told you NWC is the recognized body?

Bro, I disagree with you. It depends on their agreement, if not Rivers and Zamfara NWC results would have stand.

You got it wrong. What happened in Rivers and Zamfara is that there are 2 parallel congresses to vote the state excos. In the case of Edo the NWC has choose direct primary for the governorship election. If Obaseki like he should boycott the direct primary and organize his own election INEC will not accept his name. The amended electoral law gave the NWC power to choose the mode of primary and also so submit the candidates names to INEC.

The Religion hypocrites will come here and tell us that CAN is anti-Christ. Or CAN is no longer a recognize Christian body in the country because they didn’t go their way.

nzeobi:
Are general election results not announced at ward level and pooling boots guy see except the president or High powers decides to work against obaseki, forget nothing can stop him.

You’re just arguing wrongly. Try and do more research on direct primary and you will see that Obaseki have no chance. And that’s the reason his sponsored state excos came out to say they will organize indirect primary which is now illegal and INEC will not be part of it. Because it’s in the electoral act amended that only the NWC can choose the mode of primary.

moderatedguy:
Edo will end like ZAMFARA and PDP would be the gainer.There is no way THE SHORT DEVIL can have his way.

You’re just comparing to different situations. Edo will go the same way of Ogun and Imo. INEC will not recognize the primary that will be conducted by the state APC. What happened in Zamfara and Rivers states is not about primaries but about state party congress that produced the delegates that voted at the party indirect primaries. The NWC has avoid that issue by recommending direct primary and that means all the APC members will choose the party flag bearers including the factions. So far you’re a registered APC member you will vote in the primary. That’s where Obaseki will lose out because he can’t buy all the voters.

nzeobi:
Oga the indirect method directly favours the person in charge of security, ambode failed because he had no structure of his own even his deputy and members of his government deserted him but in obasekis case only his loyalist are in government and well empowered.

Believe me in the primaries results from areas where obaseki looses will be discarded as it happened in kano and osun.

If you don’t know something please seek more knowledge. The NWC is the only legal body to write INEC and inform them their mode of primary. The direct primary is when the posters of the candidates are pasted and party members line up behind their preferred candidate, the results will be announced there immediately and this is what will happen in the whole wards of the state. There’s no delegate participating in the direct primary and that’s where Obaseki will lose out.

nzeobi:
You forgot Collation of result will go through many stages and the security agents will have a say as it was done in kano and osun states.

This is not a general election. The results will be announced ward by ward. All party members will line up behind the posters of the contestants and the counting will be done there and results released immediately. There’s nothing like collation center because it is not general election. Obaseki can’t win this INEC will not supervise the indirect primary the State party want to do because it is the NWC that will write INEC the date and mode of primary.