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These Caribbean nations are some of the most pristine nations, sanwo olu should take note on how they build and maintain cleaner cities.

MRMRMR:
And u don't think that investing in roads, airports, seaports, rails, power etc is the same as investing in production?
Or do u want the govt to share the money to the poor and fellow politicians because we are in an economic mess.

there are alternate roads just maintain those at the moment with little of your resources, then channel the rest to sectors that provide more economic return, electricity for example, even using the money for the the coastal road, to making sure Nigeria has an effective ambulance system 🚑 is even better than the coastal road. Nobody hate the coastal road but it's timing is wrong that's all.

MRMRMR:
U just exposed ur utter ignorance in public.
So constructing Lagos to Calabar Rd is like building a stadium in yobe or sending obidients to space in ur brain. Thank you for confirming my initial thoughts abt u.

you are the ignorant one unfortunately you can see it, maybe you don't understand what an analogy is, if you did you would understand my comment both the costal highway and the stadium in yobe are both infrastructural project both have economic benefits yet you cannot tell me how the costal highway is the best use of borrowed funds when it won't yeild the same level of return compared to investment in production, buhari did the same thing with his white elephant project eight years after Nigeria is the poverty capital, an economic mess while still borrowing to fund this white elephant project, nobody is against costal highway but this isn't the right time for it, neither is it the right time for a San siro stadium in yobe, you can't be doing either with scarce borrowed funds, when you are in an economic mess.

MRMRMR:
Why are u guys so fuckingly dense?
Wat has construction of road got to do with gdp comparison?

you are the dense one here, guess I were the president and i decide to borrow 1 billion dollars from the world bank , with Nigeria's economic decline, high inflation, economic recession, lack of healthcare, highest numbers of people living in poverty, and the first thing I do with a billion dollar is to build a San siro stadium with 950 million dollars in yobe state, I guess you would be so proud of a billion dollar well spent, then I go and borrow another one billion and decide to send 5 lucky Nigerians to space 🚀. I would be president of the year to the Ronu idiot.

flokii:
Use your God-given brain, it's free of charge.

3rd mainland bridge in Lagos was built despite Eko bridge and Carter bridge already in existence linking the mainland to island.. Today most people prefer taking 3rd mainland bridge cos it's faster.

Benin- Ore route won't handle the cars, buses, tankers, trailers, container trucks etc. that will be moving from Lagos in the West to South to East to North.. common sense dictates that we have another route for ease of movement. Or do you want petrol, gas tankers to be exploding along the Benin route just to satisfy your own myopic thinking?.. remember your family members can fall victim.
That coastal highway is a major game changer for Nigeria.

you guys are the ones who need to use your brains, if you have a car that is not brand new, and you have four kids who are out of School, who you can barely feed and a partner who is in need of millions for kidney transplant and you can only afford to spend money on one guess you would spend your entire savings to get a brand new ride. It's foolish how you all try to gaslight those who have a different opinion which to this project which I think is justified, you calling everyone who criticize this igbo and easterners just exposes how insensitive you guys are. We can't even finance our budget the economy is a mess right now, there are alternative roads at the moment just maintain those ones and others and try to invest the funds you borrow on economic infrastructure like manufacturing and production that can get you out of these mess immediately, is this too difficult for anyone to understand? Furthermore there are concerns also on the bidding process and the total cost of the project, I can't even take you guys seriously was this not the same card you guys played during the buhari's time? Buhari was destroying Nigeria, industries, the economy were dying anyone who speaks out was being called ipob, enemy of Nigeria, " I hate train, I hate bridges" .

Cyberterror:
Igbos are pretending to love south south but the coastal road has really exposed their deep-seated hatred for the region they covet so much specifically for their oil wealth and access to the sea that they hope to seize for themselves in their utopia Biafra.

the only deep seated hatred here is when you guys were celebrating the army raiding and killing innocent people in the south south city of okuama, obi's criticism is very well valid, the cost of the project entire project is unknown, I am also aware there are other routes that connects the south south that has been abandoned, why not complete that first rather than start a new project.

You were caught lying, shame no dey catch you.

chopnaira:
It's still misinformation..even by several news agencies including Reuters.

una funny Sha, those news agency carried the news because tinubu lied to them and the world, how would they have known that Mr president is a notorious and an addictive liar.

Tinubu disgracing his entire lineage in public as usual, maybe he thinks the world is just like his Ronu miscreants who are mentally retarded, lies and propaganda can never run a government.

OkoRemi2023:
The way things are going in Edo state, the election victory is becoming unpredictable


My own opinion, If Shuaibu work for Akpata which I doubt but let's assume he work with Akpata, it will make PDP losing the election to be faster


If Shuaibu work with APC, ighadalo should just erase his mind from getting victory in this forthcoming election



Ighadalo is contesting against Tinubu led fg, in the sense that they rubbish him in the last election and Tinubu is not Buhari that leave his party man to their fate


Ighadalo is contesting against PDP stalwarts that are tired of Obaseki emperorism in Edo PDP


Ighadalo is contesting against those that decamped from PDP because of Shuaibu


If Edo youths largely back Olumide Akpata as youth hold 40-45 of electorates. He's contesting against the youth


Then he's contesting against the incumbent party at the federal level


He's contesting against incompetence of Obaseki in Edo state


Ighadalo winning this forthcoming election is under probability

olumide akpata is going no where, the labour party wave was just for Peter obi,even though the state is still obedient, olumide akpata unfortunately does not share in that glory, the elections is still pdp and ighodalo's to lose, APC only stands a chance if there is federal interference, either through the judiciary, or federal reserves sponsored vote buying, compromised security personnel or snatch it, grab it and run with it.

LZAA:
You are still missing the key point but i agree
The Olympics is not the closest thing to a world cup
Siasia is average
I wonder the sudden clamour for him anyway
The two chances he was given the job he flopped badly

he was appointed just once as the eagles coach, and the reason he was sacked was because Nigeria didn't qualify for the 2012 nations cup, and the reason why was because the interim coach then I think it was probably eguavoen lost some early games when siasia came in Nigeria was in a position where we needed to win all our remaining games and in the final qualifier he drew i think it was against Benin republic that was how we failed to qualify for Afcon and he was sacked, but he never lost a game except the return friendly against Argentina,which we won the first leg 4 nil in, siasia may not be world class but as far as local coaches go he is by far the best.

LZAA:
Thank God you said ATLANTA 96
check the age range of most of the players selected by Nigeria and other countries
Cheers

the Olympics is not a youth games,you are permitted to bring three over aged players but 23 years old player is already an adult in life and in football I don't see how him playing over aged players as you claim, how does overaged players become an advantage when you are playing against 23 years old who are already regulars in their clubs in Europe, mbappe, haaland, foden rashford these guys were already stars playing first team football before the age of 23. Siasia is good, you may disagree but the Olympics games is the closest thing to the world cup, for him to have won silver, and bronze on two separate occasion is a testament to that.

LZAA:
All those things are youth tournaments and most of those boys were overaged
Siasia is average

nah Olympics isn't exclusively a youth tournament, a tournament that had stars like messi di maria and aguero who we met at the final, can any local coach do that ?the Olympics is an international tournament even our most cherished memory in football came in the same Olympics stage Atlanta 96, even when he was super eagles coach he didn't lose a game,at the qualifiers the reason we failed to qualify for Afcon then was because he wasn't in charge when we started our qualifier.

fatherjesse:
Just imagine the kind of charlatan that wanted to become the governor of my state, imagine the kind of people Atiku would make ministers and SSAs if he had won as president; scrub my back I scrub yours criminals. We are in deep sh*t in this country. The renegade is even referring to Tinubu as his Yoruba uncle, criminals befriending criminals everywhere

I am very disappointed in this man I swear, look at him talking about betrayal, when the only betrayer here, is a man who sworn at oath of office to the people yet broke those oath looted the state, ruled with impunity.

appliedscience:
Siasia is our best choice but can we wait till August? Those two qualifier games are so important.....
On the second thought.. I think this is what the nff is trying to do.... Put finidi for the interim... Prays the Bleep up then appoint siasia by October...

hmmm, I hope the NFF gets to take the decision on time in case he fails, siasia is our best local coach Olympics silver and bronze medalist is not a joke, u-20 finalist too, He plays attacking football too.

brain54:
Some might argue the teams he worked with...

Weren't "grade A" teams!

neither were his opponents.

elyte89:
Siasia still Dey chop ban

I know, his ban expires in a few months time, finidi should have been appointed an interim coach and wait for siasia ban to be over, if we are honest siasia has proven himself very well.

brain54:
Does this mean finidi has a better cv...?

but that amunike stat is very poor tbh.

Wrong move, Samson siasia is the only proven local coach for now who can handle the eagles, if the NFF really care why not wait till siasia ban is over and negotiate with him, and have finidi George as assistant and interim coach, at least siasia has been proven, tested and trusted, and he play attacking football too.

I hope he delivers, I have my doubt about him though, I don't think he is the perfect fit for the eagles at the moment.

realmindz:
Mr Racoon, not everyone is a supporter of Tinubu or Apc, you don’t even need to like him in anyway. That’s absolutely fine and okay.
But at least, love your country and look forward to its progress, we know the leaders have failed and lied and disappointed. But it’s not everything you take with negativity. Don’t let them make you that way, it’s your country bro.
While some people are reading this and thinking investment wise, the first thing a smart person should do is read and think if it’s make sense and how he can take advantage of it. That’s wisdom

the guy you quoted has always shown love to Nigeria, the govt has not shown any sign of credibility or integrity for anyone to trust their hard earned funds with, looking at the lies of this govt if you were in the diaspora would you trust your funds with them? Nigerians in the diaspora are already investing through family and friends.

HBB1:
You are not very smart.

If power was not stable, how did they build an empire?

Lajuwa was a head messenger and seized power after the king died-- big deal?
Is that alien to history?

Was power not siezed in England?
Or France?
Or Rome?
Didn't the Janissaries (a corp of ex-slaves) seize power in the Ottoman empire?

Really?!
🤣
See argument!

Again don't defelect the question.
Ba- means hover over.
Oba means the one who rules over or hovers over.

Opa-- means staff
Olopa-- means the one who wields the staff

Okada-- means bike ( who knows where the word was borrowed from)
Olokada-- means bike man.

Since you claim Oba is a Benin word and means ruler.
Show me from Benin Language, similarities to this.

Besides looking at the genealogy of Ife Kings, there were Obas before the first Ooni.
Obatala being one.

Please try to make sense.

obatala was a name of a person not a title it wasnt just lajuwa who seized power the entire ife leadership throne has never been from one genealogy, neither was it organized if you never had an organized leadership how then is it possible than you ancestors found the Benin monarchy when the Benin kingdom already had an lineage of ascension to the throne that ile ife didn't have? If there is anything history teaches us is that a Benin prince at one time ruled ife, which makes sense before ife didn't have a line of succession anyone could have been ooni, even till this day the household of the ooni is been debated and does not even follow a line of succession.

HBB1:
Anybody can pull out stories from his arse!

Show proof!


If you cannot, them keep quiet!


Also don't ignore what I said earlier.

What other words are similar to Oba and reflect same meaning?
I have use Olopa and Olokada as examples in Yoruba.

lajuwa was a ruler in ife, he was an head messanger who seized power and became ooni, power was also seized from him, even oranmiyan seized power, meaning ife never had a stable rule, if a messenger can seize power, what does that tell you about such civilization the olopa and olokoda are not in any way related to the oba word sorry

Olu317:
Who is the stranger o ?

Lajuwa was the head messenger. Said to have usurped the throne at the death of Aworokolokin, and became the ooni, if a mere messenger can seize power, how come you guys find it hard to believe a bini prince was once ruler of ife.

HBB1:
You are not making sense.
Who says Ife didn't have a Mornachy?

You keep shifting goal posts.
Who were the kings that were being overthrown?
Name them.

Ornamiyan had a child in Benin, called Owomika ( my hand can control it) who was also known as Eweka.
He left him there and went on to found other kingdoms.

As I said earlier, you are not making sense

go and read the history of ife kings were being over thrown by people within and outside the royal family, even strangers at some point ruled ile ife, when kings were being overthrown from ile ife military style Benin already had a kingdom with a direct line of succession now how did an ife who didn't have a stable govt or line of succession now give Benin a king, who already had a stable and organized civilization and govt

HBB1:
Agree with what points?
You are not making sense.

You believe something that cannot be proven.
You know what is proven.

About the Ife Kingdom, you need to read about it.
It was actually a empire and was notable in the 1200s AD.
Thinking small Ile-Ife was the whole of the Ife empire is laughable!

In all, this your analogy does not make sense.
So because Oyo empire was way larger than Ife, means Ife could not have birthed it?

Come on man!

Read, think, think!

what I am saying is this there is no way ife could have given Benin a king, when ife never had a real monarchy, in ancient ife kings were being over thrown like military govt style, individuals from different households at one time or the other ruled ife, oranmiyan was a Benin prince who at one time ruled ife, and oranmiyan was the father of eweka, even your Yoruba history documents this fact too now tell me is eweka a Yoruba name, if oranmiyan was a Yoruba man why did he name his son a Benin name, and how could an ife who never had a monarchy and ife where power was being seized by individuals like in the military govt had given Benin a monarchy? Go read ife history power was being seized by anyone powerful enough to seize it.

HBB1:
Guess your history is poor.

There was true monarchy at a time.
For example, in the Oyo empire, Kings were succeded by their firstborn sons.
This was later changed to prevent the heirs murdering their fathers for a quick ascension.

As such the firstborn died with the king.

Also a senate was firmed to prevent the king from having excessive power and he could be impeached.

Also after a while, since many families in the royal lineage had tasted power over time-- through normal ascension, fratricide, or regicide, a plan to rotate power started.

Saying there was no true monarchy is hogwash.

I believe the history of a bini prince who became ruler of ife, and returned you guys always assume the benin story as Benin vs Yoruba race, no it was Benin vs ife and ife was a smaller kingdom in size and number compared to the Benin kingdom. Guess you agree with my other points.

santaclaws:
Everything I wrote is 100% fact-based. The entire Benin kingdom is a parody of Yoruba land. The beads, the bronze, the sculpting, everything is from Ile Ife in Yoruba land.

Learn your history from reputable sources, not somewhere in Edo state where they brainwash you all.

mind you in ancient times there was nothing like youruba land it is either ife or oyo or Ogbomosho, and the Benin kingdom was larger in size and might to the ife kingdom and was more organized as it was a true monarchy how then did an ife kingdom which was smaller in size and number and which doesn't even practice a true monarchy come to found and create a monarchy in Benin kingdom, your lies and your misconception is to equate this to Benin vs the entire Yoruba race, which is false it is Benin vs ile ife and the Benin kingdom was larger than ife and more organized maybe ife got to influence other kingdoms which made up the entire Yoruba race today.

HBB1:
Your rambling does not make sense.

How many Yoruba Kingdoms have a direct line of succession?
Rotation through royal families has been ongoing for centuries.

If I may ask, what is the meaning of Oba in Benin.
The Yorubas have told you it means-- overlord or ruler in their language.

Oba-- the one who lords over
Olokada-- the one who rides bikes
Olopa-- the one who holds/owns/wields the stick

You get the drift?

Ooni is a title, same is Alaafin or Soun.
They are however still Obas and are addressed as such.

The Ooni is the Oba of Ife.
The Alaafin is the Oba of Oyo.

The Oba of Bini is the Omo n'Oba ( Omo oba)

lies the ooni does not bear the title oba historically the title ooni,alaafin is the title not oba. 2. Oba is a title specifically used to address the ruler of Benin kingdom as it is not a Yoruba word by origin maybe borrowed before if oba truly means king alot of your kings would be address by the oba title, only the oba of lagos who is a descendant of Benin goes by that title,. 3 oba word is just like the word priest, or deacon or archbishop, it does not have generic meaning as it is specially reserved for the ruler of the Benin kingdom just like deacon is specially used in Christianity, my guess on how oba came to be part of your Yoruba lexicon is that it is a modern word probably gotten from the oba of lagos title which signifies king and you just added it to your prefix, lastly if you Agree your kingship is by rotation which justifies the historical facts of how a Benin prince at one time became the ooni of ife, ours is by lineage, and and the Benin kingdom has always been like that, now if ife and Benin never went to war and Benin was never conquered how then would you even imagine that they would just hand over their kingship to an outsider, think am now, a people that does not practice true monarchy go come give you monarchy when you already had a civilization that is passed on through blood.

santaclaws:
Omo n'oba itself is from the Yoruba "omo oba", which means "Prince" or "the child of a king" in Yoruba language. This corroborates the fact that a Prince from Yoruba land became a king in Benin Kingdom.

If the traditional title of your kings means prince in Yoruba and the official title means king, it clearly shows you people are from Yoruba land, whether you like it or not! The titles alone constitute irrefutable empirical evidence!

omo means child in Benin, an oba is not a traditional Yoruba word,it is a borrowed word from the Benin kingdom, omoN oba N edo means child of the king of Benin, if oba means king in Yorubaland how come non of your king bear the oba as title? Except the oba of lagos who is a descendant of the benin kingdom, you claim ife gave Benin a king, how come ife has never been ruled by one lineage or family even since ancient times, it has always been rotated, even in ife today the kingship is been rotated. How can you give people a monarchy when you don't even know who your monarch is?

santaclaws:
Oba, means something that's above (from the word "ba" which means over or above) that's why we say in Yoruba language "oba ba lori oun gbogbo" meaning the king or ruler is above all. The etymology is purely Yoruba and if it's used anywhere else, it's borrowed.

Secondly, those kings with titles like Ooni, Alaafin, Soun etc have their unique names as part of their mini kingdoms and they are all called Oba as well. All major kingdoms in Yoruba land have traditional titles but officially they are all called Oba!

For instance the Ooni of Ife, the Paramount ruler of Yoruba land is called Oba Adeyeye Enitan Ogunwusi CFR.

The traditional title is different from the formal title in Yoruba land, but they are all Obas. This shows that Yoruba land consists of various sub-ethnic groups and it is indeed a large kingdom.

lies in ancient times this was how your ooni were addressed Ooni Lafogido, Ooni Osinkola, Ooni Ogboru and Ooni Giesi, even the recent one is addressed as ooni adeyeye enitan, and to further enlighten you on how a Benin prince was at one time king of ile ife, your ife kingdom has never been ruled by one family since ancient times, even the title is rotated among families how can such a civilization which does not even practice true monarch, found the Benin kingdom with a direct ancestry? According to the history a Benin prince was exiled and he left for ife and became the ruler of ife when his father passed he sent one of his sons to become the new ruler. That is the truth even your ile ife till this day does not have a direct line of succession,which means even in ancient days it would have been easy for anyone to be ruler of ife. Which also corroborates the story of a Benin prince who become the ooni of ife.

santaclaws:
And since he returned to Benin, you started giving your traditional rulers the title of "Oba" which is a Yoruba word... Right? 😏

Most of you know your history is fabricated but you won't admit the truth.

what does oba mean in Yoruba language, if oba truly represents king how come non of your ancient kingship bears the title of oba, if ife is the ancestral home as you claim and ooni is the title of the ruler of ife, why did the ooni not name the the benin king as the ooni of Benin? How come no other ancient kingdom in Yorubaland bears oba, except lagos which was founded by the Benin kingdom which the oba of lagos claim his descendants are from Benin, the Benin kingdom is one of the oldest civilization and according to history a Benin prince left the Benin kingdom to ife the same prince sent one of his son's to return to Benin and become the king after his father's demise, not that the Yoruba established kingship in Benin, btw the oba is not an original yoruba word it is a borrowed word probably inspired by the Benin kingdom, because if it means king originally the ooni of ife, alaafin of oyo, soun of Ogbomosho would have been referred to as oba of ife, oba of oyo, and Ogbomosho respectively. the oba you guys claim in your names were inspired by the Benin kingdom.