shadeyinka: It's unfortunate: but the Scriptures cannot be broken. The Lord knows those who are his. The Scriptures in the hands of an unrepentant sinner is simply a tool to justify iniquity.
He doesn't seem to realize that homosexuality is a demonic affliction just like pedophilic tendencies and bestiality. Whatever makes one inborn, makes the others inborn too: after all, they are all sexual preferences!
A pig however remain a pig whether washed, perfumed, dressed and housed in a 5 star hotel.
Amongst other things I learnt in this thread is that Homosexuality has it roots in pagan worship. It is Satan's sex pattern done as a ritual in Satan's temples. It is done to release demons from the underworld. Those demons are possessing people whose ancestors had dealings with these spirit. This is what I believe.
Maximus69: How i wish you are still alive when this happens!
By then you'll know how vital it is to belong to a PERFECT GROUP, today most of you are clamoring for the none denominational stuff not knowing that you're in actual fact saying none of your religious groups is worthy of keeping alive!
By then all of you will have to know that HE is Jehovah and that there is no other god {that's able to gather worshipers having unwavering faith in a group} like HIM! Ezekiel 38:23
It will be better when we are dead sef. Right there we shall see Charles Tass Russel gnashing hia teeth for all the lies he told you and you for believing him
Maximus69: They are coming up gradually but it's not yet their time, time is coming when they will dominate all the three arms of government, by then nobody can stop whatever the atheists call for!
The Bible foretold a time when the atheists will eradicate religion completely, by that time only the TRUE Christians will continue doing what Jesus asked them to do while all the false religious groups claiming Christians must have been rendered inactive!
Fakes always claim to be real. Jesus you don't recognize and yet you seek his help from evil system which JW is codedly involved in
Chubhie: Just carry Ghana must go bags of money and if they refuse for you to see him, threaten that you are leaving with your money. they would usher you into his presence fast fast. A mans gift maketh way for him. The Bishop respects this bible verse.
HigherEd: How Bishop Oyedepo's Protocol Did Not All Allow Me See Him And The Lessons I Learnt - Bishop Oyedepo
As told by Pastor Sam Adeyemi.
The first day I went to Canaanland, Ota to see Bishop David Oyedepo was a memorable one full of lessons. I had met him at the National Ecumenical Centre, Abuja where I first told him I wanted him to mentor me in ministry; because I needed the same grace of effortless accomplishments on his life and ministry.
He had his PA give me his complimentary card, then told me to come to his office at Canaanland, Ota. I was so excited that I couldnt wait for the Independence Day National Christain Service to end at the Ecumenical Centre so I could dash home and tell my wife about my encounter with the bishop.
On the appointed date, I went to Canaanland, Ota with my wife Nike to see the bishop. We waited for six hours and could not see him. There was a crowd of people also waiting. He is a thoroughly busy person, and he gives a good measure of time to each person that enters the office.
I was totally disappointed that day. I thought he would tell his orderlies and PA to bring me inside immediately once they saw me; because I was Pastor Sam Adeyemi of Daystar Christain Center.
By 3pm, we were all told to go home and come at another appointed day; without as much as any explanation. Since I entered full time ministry, that was my first time of having to wait for an audience with someone; to wait for a full six hours!
I went home angry. I told myself I wont go there again. “What sort of thing is this?” “How can I stay there and waste a whole day without seeing the bishop?” “Dont I have other things to do?” I kept fuming to myself at home. I couldnt calm down to piece together all that happened at Canaanland that day. For all I cared, the bishop knew I was coming that day to see him.
But my wife kept telling me to be patient so as to get what I want. Nike talked me into going back to canaanland for another wait for the bishop. I finally determined that I must see him, no matter the time it would take.
On the new date of appointment, I went again with my wife and waited another six hours before we were sent home. I had cancelled a lot of meetings and shifted a dozen appointments to go back to Canaanland, Ota. I was so thoroughly washed down by that second disappointment.
It then happened for the third time before my wife stopped talking me into going again. She allowed me to make my decision. I had had enough. I went home and got busy. I neither called the bishop during this my period of total hands-on-ministry, nor went to see him again. I simply bought all his books, and a thousand tapes of the bishop. I read the books till they became a part of me. I listened to the tapes at home, in the office, and when I’m driving. I soaked myself in the work of the ministry. We started many projects in our church, including setting up schools, orphanages, and the Daystar Leadership Academy. I didn’t bother to call nor try fixing another appointment with his PAs.
Six months later, we met at the domestic wing of the Murtala Mohammed International Airport in Lagos, and you should have seen the look of surprise and happiness at the same time on the bishop’s face.
“This my son. Where on earth have you been?” Did you travel to Mars?” He hugged me so tight as if his life depended on it. He was all smiles. He started asking me questions about how ministry has been going, and I answered excitedly, with all the clarity he wanted.
We found a seat in the lounge and talked for about 30 minutes; because the flight was delayed by 30 minutes. He kept asking questions and I kept talking.
The next day, the bishop called me. He called me again after three days. From then on, seeing him became less cumbersome. That was how I became a regular keynote speaker at the Covenant University Special Programmes on Character Development and National Transformation.
Today, the bishop pubicly refers to me as one of his favourite sons in ministry, and our ministry has grown in leaps and bounds because I sense the same grace upon the bishop operating in our ministry too.
TAKE HOME LESSON Deep calls unto deep. Men of destiny, men of purpose, men who are busy and occupied with their primary assignment on the earth can easily recognise themselves across a hall when they meet.
All things being equal, busy people love busy people. Busy people rarely love to associate with, or accomodate people who slow down their momentum.
So whenever you find yourself complaining about an apperant lack of attention from a busy person, the solution is to just go and get busy with your life and assignment. First of all, discover your specific assignment, your niche, and grow in your influence. Get busy!
This is because recognising each other when you’re both at the top is far easier and effortless than recognising each other at the crowded ground level. The high decibel of noise and purposeless activity of the crowd at the ground level, comprising of people of all sort of character and orientation will never allow that to happen.
shadeyinka: He wouldn't give you an answer because the truth will destroy his high horse. His arguments had been 1. The word "homosexuality" is a recent invention hence all the Greek translations that use the word is wrong. 2. Sexual immorality means reckless use of sex i.e. either non consentual or as part of orgies or with multiple indiscriminate partners.
On these arguments he had based all his theology. Now, he had been presented with two Scriptures
And instead of directly answering the question asked, he wants to repeat flogging a dead horse: is it to bring it back to life?
An abomination is an abomination: it is at the level of what you call grevious sins deserving not less than EXECUTION in the sight of God.
He is a Gay and Homosexual, hence he wants to justify it as not stopping him being a Christian.
I called him Gay before, I think I was right.
Mention any servant of God you know, MuttleyLaff is against them. He is against almost all known concepts of Scriptures, now I know why. He intends to keep the door freely open so anybody anything they like in the name of Christianity.
openmine: At-least am not the only one who saw the duplicity and shenanigans of Adv. MuttleyLaff!
This guy is a complete joke.
He is an agent of N.W.O. hiding under the cloak of Christianity.
He is against every Nigerian preacher.
He is against Tithing, Holy Ghost Baptism with evidence o speaking with New Tongues, now he is ready to bite off the head of anyone who say God is against the abomination of homosexuality.
I was chilled when this man boasted that in the nearest future a homosexual shall sit at the helm of affairs in Nigeria. As if that wld make it a blessing from God.
MuttleyLaff: Naija will catch up and stop stripping people stark naaked [/b]Naija in five to fifteen years time, will have same sex persons in government. Mark my words [/b]
Good buff and fit body though. The knight in shining armour at the end carried her in his arms. Ended good at the end.
And that will make it right before God abi? Sir, this is the Beast System. You people will prosper as long as the Lord allows you. Worry not, time is coming. You mentioned arming yourself with gunpowder for the battle of Armageddon. You shall indeed fight.
MuttleyLaff, I read where you said Christisns shd make room for new things. These new things are what your folk The NWO is doing. will I be surprised if next year a homosexual becomes Nigerian President? No. Why? You guys already control the system.
I'm glad this long discusses are going on, I'm getting to know who we truly represent.
You claim Christianity, but your underlying reality says otherwise. No wonder you attack every Pastor mentioned in this forum.
Nodogragra4me: The same applies to you. You don't know your league Having read a couple of badly written so called history books you imagine you were ready to take on anybody . Small boy
MuttleyLaff: What of I, that wrote it. I that spent precious time and slavish effort to comprehensively and justifiably share such information. It was even a second attempt after a previous inadvertently got deleted.
People are now used to fast food, quick meal these days, to read more than 6-7 lines of text have become a serious bother
You knew what would have happened if you stayed on the thread with me. I would have showed you how lie like a cheap Persian throw rug . You knew that by the time, I was done with you, you would come out and fall apart, like a cheap suit, that has its loose thread yanked and pulled.
Well, sorry. You wasted your time because nothing you wrote there holds water.
So you do accept and agree that I did and have advanced a response, ehn? You are doing and playing an Oliver Twist "I want more" card, asking for more, after I have already given as much as needed to be given at this point of time. My remit isnt at all, for now to show where God support homosexuality in the Bible because I am more concerned about shaterring the myth and exposing the lies perpetrated against consensual adult homosexuality/same sex union. Please respect that.
I wouldnt either over your question too
Now you are talking, because this is exactly the reason for opening this thread, to talk about the "adding or subtracting" done to the Bible in order to portray same sex attraction and relationship acts as wrong, evil bad and something to hate
Paul never called faithful, truthful, loving, trusting caring same sex relationship done in privacy. He actually was referring to sex acts done in ritualistic temple, sex orgies settings etcetera vile affection. He was talking of heterosexual couples prostituting themselves temple prostitutes r financial gain etcetera, behaving as gays, when naturally they arent
"You shall not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." Lev 20:13: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination : they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be on them." Does this refer to homosexuality or sex orgies?
Sex orgy is free sex with many people at once done interchangeably in or outside the Temple.
So, does the above verse imply that The Lord was referring to individuals or a large group of sex abusers?
Mr MuttleyLaff. Pls direct me to one faithful, truthful, loving, trusting caring same sex relationship done in privacy in the Bible. Start from Abraham's era.
please do. Also explain how God define marriage as between a man and a woman and any other sexual relationship outside that is defilement. will you change God's definition by adding or subtracting from it?
Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
paul calls same sex affection as vile.
if it is harmless and acceptable why was it called a vile affection.
Wait for him to twist the underlying meaning of 'vile affection'
MuttleyLaff: You do know that 100% of any moniker I have cc'ed on this thread are allies of yours hmm? They each share your sentiments and hatred of same sex relationships, so now tell me, how come they are my advocates or me asking them to help me out, hmm? Think about it now openmine, it isnt rational reasoning. Who does that huh?
Again, biko, do you have scripture(s) where God does permit homosexual acts? As in, do you have scriptures, where God does not permit consensual adults, having a faithful trusting, kind, loving caring, long life until death do part same sex relationship, hmm?
Dont disregard the thread's #9 rule of not to be changing posters' comment and misrepresenting the original content, pack that silly habit in already please. People have perfected this art so much from exposure to how original Bible text meaning was changed and strange unoriginal words were introduced into the Bible, they have brought the practice to this thread, na wa ooo. Are you a yahoo boy? #NairaMarley
Here are the scriptures and many more. Do you want me to post them?
"You shall not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." Lev 20:13: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination : they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be on them."
MuttleyLaff: Ah, Chief, please dont be like with how others or some do with bible verses, take out of context whatever I might have typed nau. Please have the decency to consider, whatever you see me type, in context with the content nau. So I ask you the simple easy, short, direct and straightforward question again. Good morning to you too!.
Do you have scripture(s) where God does not permit homosexual acts? As in, do you have scriptures, where God does not permit consensual adults, having a faithful trusting, kind, loving caring, long life until death do part same sex relationship, hmm?
What is out of context about This?
Are these verse talking about homosexuality? "You shall not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." Lev 20:13: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination : they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be on them."
MuttleyLaff: openmine, ọrẹ, it is a simple easy, short, direct and straightforward question nau.
Do you have scripture(s) where God does not permit homosexual acts? As in, do you have scriptures, where God does not permit consensual adults, having a faithful trusting, kind, loving caring, long life until death do part same sex relationship, hmm?
@ bolded. You mean he shd answer your simple easy, short and direct question as you answered this;
"You shall not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." Lev 20:13: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination : they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be on them."?
MuttleyLaff: Listen, because I am not going to repeat myself, I didnt open this thread to "reel out 'scriptures' that proves that God permits, tolerates and love homosexual acts!". The title of the thread is self explanatory enough, so please, get that straight. Thank you very much. Go troll and heckle on another thread
Are you serious? MuttleyLaff this is outright lies. If this thread is not about God being pleased, loving, approving, and tolerating SSR why then have you been using the scriptures you loaded this thread with? Why did you even mention God in this first place? What occasioned this thread? Was it not to proof to TV01, I and the rest that God has no problem with homosex?
You made so much noise and you are still on about it, talking about the earth shaking evidences that you'd bring up to support your claims, and here you are diverting the main purpose of this thread?
Why did you refuse to respond to my thread?
I'm glad this is happening, who we really are is manifesting.
MuttleyLaff: Cant you see how much of a pitiful sorry faced loser he is. If not for Jesus...
Grapes and not picked from Thorn bushes. Funny how your back up pal is a lesbian atheist.
So far how many Christians, be it JW, Catholics, LDS, or Evangelicals are in support of your stance? None. Only God-hating unbelievers who do not subscribe to what matters to God.
MuttleyLaff: Showing off using big cheesy words, in a desperation to appear and look smart (check) => ✓ This one almost escaped my mind to add to your list of infamy repertoire
I have told you what to do. I am here waiting to give you answers to your question, which incidentally in my lengthy 3 section long post, I have advanced information that answered your question, but nonetheless will repeat the information, the moment you respond to my offer on the table, otherwise, like previously mentioned, put up and forever shut up.
Please stop doctoring, editing and changing my post to misrepresent me and what originally was typed. Such dishonesty chai mtchew. SMH. Only a loser will descend to that level of nonsense
You must using your altarego to like your post, for anyone who reads your junk and likes them is in a worst state than you.
MuttleyLaff: You just first, show me, in the Bible, where a decent recipe for nkwobi or isiewu is then I'll oblige you, tell or show you, where God permits, tolerates and love homosexual acts in the Bible. I am more than happy to settle you with this my final, fair and generous offer. Please take it, otherwise leave it and forever stay put
MuttleyLaff: He is a snake, and that is not to be taken as insulting or malicious, but as an observation made. The mask fell off, revealing his true face color. C'mon now, be honest, have I not already addressed the question that he asked me, in the link I sign posted him to?
I nowhere said he ran out of steam openmine. I said he couldnt stand the heat, so why he made a sharpish and unceremonial exit
God permits, tolerates and adores genuine love. Wherever mutual genuine love abides, God is there openmine. Capisce?
He asked you a question which you couldn't answer, yet he is the one feeling the heat? I never knew men to be unserious. It's demeaning to say the least.
MuttleyLaff: None of these guys would know what hit them, as they dont know what colour of bird, in my pocket, I am gradually pulling out. Besides, I havent even started on any of them yet. Is it the one whose dedication was spamming the thread with his strawman mining, and asking me to show him where in the Bible, God permits homosexual acts or where God loves, tolerates and likes homosexual acts etcetera. Or the one finding long posts challenging to read, or even is it, the one with his fraudulent replies to my lengthy 3-section long post, whose greatest enemy isn’t ignorance, but is his illusion of knowledge.
Oh Shadeyinka, I havent replied to you because, I was just giving you time enough to properly going over the thread, so you can be up-to-date with what so far all along has being written to the thread
Hot pile of steaming shit. Just answer the question before you break your chest with your hands.
Dont mind him jaare, thats how crybabies star do. Like he do
You dont know these guys like I do. I know everything about each and everyone of them. I know how they think, know how and what they breathe, know when and how they sleep, know what they eat, know when and how they like eating, know when they fart and shiit, know the color of their shiits sef
I kept telling and reminding them that, I not only, mounted this dragon beast, rode and tamed it, but I also, slayed it too, then after killing it, I dissected it, to find out what the dragon beast's been feeding on, and that this is how I got to know, with the help of the Holy Spirit, so much about this subject matter and them too. I was waiting for each of them round the corner. You see, in situations like this, you bide your time, smoke people out, draw them into the open, then either get hold of them with the belt of their trousers or get a wrist hold of them and/or pin them down so they dont have any easy chance to escape or try to evade capture. Going for the jugular, would be a last resort.
I deliberately stopped myself from replying to the three musketeers individual last posts done before yours because I wanted them to stew. I wanted the impact of what I've so far typed, sink and settle in. I have the replies to their last posts done but sitting on my MAC
My gloves are still on, imagine the damage I would inflict, if I were to take off my gloves. I also have being holding back myself, and just being throwing half punches, hitting them with kid gloves and not forceful ones
I said it before, that I have gunpowder and loads of ammo ready and more than enough to face the Battle of Armageddon
Hahahahahahaha haha. Pls answer the simple question Shadeyinka asked you. Is; "You shall not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." Lev 20:13: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination : they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be on them." talking about homosex?
MuttleyLaff: Thank you very much for at least having the decency to admit and acknowledge that I have written volumes on the issue and the argument discussion that homosexuality wasn't specifically mentioned on the Greek.
Now, having said that, you are very correct that homosexuality wasn't specifically mentioned on the Greek, and this for the reason that, if Paul had wanted to use the Greek words for homosexuality, he had 17 words to choose from, but he never used any of them because he wasnt talking, never talked and wasnt interested in talking about homosexuality or consensual adults in a faithful, caring, loving until death do them apart etctera same sex relationship.
MuttleyLaff. You didn't answer the questions sir. It says look at the verses and say it's not talking against homosex. As far as these verses see concerned, there have nothing to do with Satanic Temple sex orgies. Does it?
"You shall not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." Lev 20:13: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination : they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be on them."
By word for word translation, say what these verses say.
You dont need to argue anything, I wasnt requiring you to argue anything. I am just presenting facts, the least you can do, is fact check. Fact check each and all I have so far typed, just like a Berean and a good student of 2 Timothy 2:15 will do.
I wont be surprised, if you haven't also misunderstood what Paul wrote and what Paul was saying in Romans Chapter 1, along with 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 and so thereby wrongly say things Paul was not at all saying.
Just watch, as I respond individually to the recent comments TV01, Shepherd00 and openmine have just made immediately above.
I've been offline for some days, I expected that when I come here I'd see your response as per the other type of homo sex which The Lord God approves of.
You said He condemns and abhors the temple orgies which you rightly said is a form of ritualistic worship to a pagan god, but does not condemn the other type.
Which kind of homosex is right? With scriptures pls, since we see the Temple sex orgies type in scriptures.
openmine: Primarily,lets be perspicuous on your misplaced line of thought,you never forced me into any river because i was never there in the first place! Secondly,your usage of a closed mind attitude is not only flawed but another of your jaded and poignantly churned out words to label people who don't agree with your shallow and indecipherable opinions! If you are referring to your intransigent submissions hoping to force it down to people in order to cajole about homosexual acts,then you failed woefully!
You were unable to inveigle in your rib-tickling and odious submissions that God permits and allows homosexual acts which should have served as a base for your vacuous argument esp with firm inclinations on scriptures which you say you believe in...Unfortunately,your perfunctory usage of personal logic as a last ditch effort to prove your asseveration only serves as a validation that you never had a single scripture to evince!
Yeah....Once anyone has a squabble or altercation with you or ultimately, boxes you to a corner,you regrettably and ingloriously churn out name tags to sound admissible! Am used to your kind...dem plenty for nairaland esp in the religious section!
Any circumspect individual that has perused the back and forth between us will agree that you have not only being evasive and rhetorical,you have also backed your submissions with more of your logic than scriptures...disagree right? Now show that am wrong by providing scriptures to assuage your farcically written presentations that God adores and tolerates homosexual acts! No stories!
See this one? If the thread was about using personal opinions or human logic which is always subject to controversies about homosexual acts,that would have been a different issue entirely.. However, the interest was how you would use scriptures to prove that God grants and tolerates homosexual acts! So asking me about my beef or my personal opinion about homosexual acts is not only a diversion but going off tangent and venturing into another issue entirely which is your ploy to mask your ineptitude to present a single scripture that agrees with what you profess! I must confess i like that strategy but it doesn't work with me esp when the user is periphrastic!
You know the time adopted to make your stale and repetitive "troll" hogwash would have given you ample period to ratify your submissions even though i am fully convinced that you really dont have any to bequeath! That has been your blueprint! So am the least bit perturbed!
kkins25: You were crying foir his response. Now he has dropped it nd u say its cumbersome Muttleylaff, after all your effort ,they say your poost is full of cum...too bad
I don't expect you to get it. If one is engaged in a discussion with many people asking and answering questions, how will you go about responding?
I asked a different question from the next person, why not address my response to me?
MuttleyLaff: I never screamed, so please stop being petty, and I am not complaining that you ask me questions, rather I typed something in the line of: "Please stop asking me unreasonable questions, especially when in the sight of facts"
Talking abt pettiness, I think you shd look at the mirror. You call those facts? They testify against you Muttley.
MuttleyLaff: I have already given you a high level overview response above to this request nau Shepherd00.
No, you didn't. You ended up trailing the root or the origin of homosexuality which was a ritualistic sex worship to satan. And, you said God hates that type, but are yet to say which type He approves.
MuttleyLaff: I made that comment, because I thought you wanted to beat me up for mentioning your moniker ni
I don't beat people. I'm only interested in the Gospel Truth.
MuttleyLaff: Didnt expect you to respond, just find a quiet place, to carefully and thoughtfully read the stuff, was what I advised you.
In other words, 'read and append?' E no go work like that. Plenty error full inside am.
MuttleyLaff: Never mind, it isnt the first time whoosh over your head it went or happened
Sorry man, again, you failed.
MuttleyLaff: Bodi nobi wood, abeggy, carry una Mister peeping tom, vigilante, Nairaland neighbourhood watch wahala go. You think say, I dont listen to my body, erh? Make I no sleep, hmm? I saw your post alright, but left it replied to, unfinished because I went to sleep. I actually was fast asleep whilst still appearing present on the thread
Na you sabi.
See how i cut one of you post into 3? it makes it easier to respond to.
Christianity Etc › Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by Shepherd00: 7:26pm On Jun 11, 2019
