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What do you mean by 'The Christian Pope?', is there a Muslim or a hindu Pope?

budaatum:
And tell us what Jesus told the one who misquoted Scripture to him after he had fasted for 40 days.

Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Matthew 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

Matthew 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

These are the three responses The Lord gave to satan.

What is next?

budaatum:
Explain how you "speakest to warn", and tell me what you will do after you "warn" and are told to fuq off.


And tell us what Jesus told the one who misquoted Scripture to him after he had fasted for 40 days.

'By speaking to warn', is what I am doing here. I have no right to go knocking on doors to tell homosexuals that they're living in sin and wld end up in hell if they refuse to repent, hence I do it here hoping they'd read.

But, if am told to fuq off, i will, but will not become an activist helping them to live comfortably in a life which will ultimately destroy them.

The only reason I'm talking abt this is because Muttleylaff wants to convince himself that God created people gay, becos some animals fuq their parents and siblings and their brothers, he feels it's okay for him to do so too.


He is so blatant in his lies that he falsify Scriptures to back himself up. If Muttleylaff did bring The Bible into it, I'd ignore him big time.

You ghosted in my thread, you intend to ghost in yours too?


TV01 is kicking your ass to all of Nairaland's curbs.

budaatum:
Why? Which crime have you seen here? Move it now!


Jesus Jesus Jesus Jesus Jesus Jesus Jesus Jesus

Thou shall not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.

jesusjnr2:
There is a strong case being made for homosexuality in humans on the basis of nature.

And this is with respect to homosexual behavior being said to be observed in about 1500 species of animals.

For such a discovery appears to have given the argument in favor of homosexuality a huge boost, as it seems to give credence to the idea that homosexuality in humans is an act of nature, since it not exclusive to humans.

And some even go to the extent of suggesting that it was God that made it to be that way, since He was the Creator of man and all animals who exhibit such tendencies.

Therefore the objective of this thread is to verify the veracity of that claim by going back to the beginning of creation, where it all began.

For it was said:

Genesis 1:21-25 (KJV)

21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Now this was a summary of all the creatures that God made in the beginning(exclusive of man), and they could be placed into three different categories, namely:

1. Creatures of the sea.

2. Creatures of the air.

3. Creatures of the land.

And though nothing was specifically said there with respect to their sexuality initially, the saying of God with respect to them being fruitful and multiplying suggests that He had made them to be male and female just as He had also made man, unto whom He had said the same thing, to be.

Genesis 1:27-28 (KJV)

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Now the suggestion of the sexuality of all the other creatures that God had made in the beginning thus far, are only so because it wasn't specifically stated that God made them male and female as it was done in man's case, but those given instances such as God's pronouncement of fruitfulness and multiplication upon those creatures alluded to that, because it's only on the basis of male and female union that such a result could possibly be achieved.

So from the level of suggestion we now proceed to the next level where the way God the Creator made the sexuality of all the other creatures(sea, air, and land) to be in the beginning wasn't just suggested but specifically stated, for this is the proof of that:

Genesis 6:19-20 (KJV)

19 And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.
20 Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive.

Genesis 7:1-4, 8-9 (KJV)

1 And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.
2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.
4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

8 Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth,
9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.

So the emphasis of God the Creator on Noah taking every living thing that He had made in the beginning male and female into the Ark, should suffice to completely disprove of any idea or suggestion that God was the one behind the homosexual behavior that has been discovered in animals, for it wasn't that way in the beginning when God created them.

For it's a similar situation to what transpired in Israel when the Pharisees wanted to make a case for divorce, citing the Law of Moses concerning divorce as a justification for divorce in marriage to Jesus.

But Jesus let them know that despite that the law permitting divorce in marriage was actually given to them by Moses, that it was not supposed to be that way, for it wasn't so in the beginning(Matthew 19:.

For Jesus said to them:

4 "...Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder." Matthew 19:4-6 (KJV)

So the question of Jesus also applies to all those who saying trying to use the discovery of homosexual behavior in animals as a justification for homosexuality in humans, "have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female"?

For God the Creator of all living creatures on Earth, didn't just make humans, male and female, but also every other living creature that He had made in the beginning, He made them male and female.

So even though homosexual behavior has been observed in 1500 species of animals, it wasn't the way God made it to be in the beginning, for every living creature that God had made in the beginning, He made them male and female.

So that was their original nature and how it was meant to be, but just as it was with man, that original nature of man and every other creature has suffered some serious setback ever since man, who was put in charge of all the other creatures, disobeyed God and lost that authority to Satan at the time.

Therefore that should explain how such homosexual behavior came into existence in the creatures that God had made male and female in the beginning, for Satan whose inclination is to spoil, confuse and distort all the good and original intentions that God had for His creation in the beginning had capitalized on the opportunity of being in charge of those creatures to achieve his self-extinctive homosexual agenda.

So that it would now appear as though homosexuality In human is justified by nature since the behavior has been also identified in numerous animal species.

But that's a lie that had been conceived, devised and executed by Satan and his demons, for it wasn't so in the beginning when God the Creator had made them.

For He made them all male and female.

MuttleyLaff you need to read this and refute it with facts from scriptures as Jesusjnr did.

Shouldn't this be in 'maybe' crime section?

MuttleyLaff:
I am glad you honoured the invite and made it here. You can drop your own opinion(s), once you dont mind, when applicable, it will be headed off with or by facts.

kkins, the fewer the facts one is aware of, the stronger the opinion(s) one has. This is why you'll find, even already in the infancy of this thread, that too many people on the thread, come on with full opinions and less half the facts.

It is better to know the facts, before forming opinions, as that wouldnt make you be like the rest of them, the likes of the TV01, shepherd00, etcetera, having a hard and tough time, accepting the facts of the truth and that I have moved on from the same place, but they are still in the same place. TV01, Shepherd00, elated177, jesusjnr and others have little or no regard for biblical and historical context, they only conveniently ignore it. Now TV01 knew I'll make mincemeat of him, that is why refrained from answering those my first set of four easy, simple, straightforward and direct salvo questions discharged at him.

You are hiding behind Verbosity. Go direct and react to what is posted and stop this
windiness with words.

Ecclesiastes 10:14 A fool also is full of words...

MuttleyLaff:
Another day for making the Benjamins things, hmmm?

Correct guy, you head dey there gidigba, sharp, sharpishly o jaare.

Why am I not surprised that you'd hail him, knowing he does not subscribe to the authority of the Bible?

MuttleyLaff:
The Bible never and nowhere, has ever said same sex relationship or homosexualism is evil. TV01 knows this. He knows if he should have answered those my first set of four easy, simple, straightforward and direct salvo questions discharged at him, he will be found out. The fear of getting exposed is the reason why he got cold feet and changed his mind from answering them

It's obvious you don't believe what the Bible says here, so pls go ahead and say what you believe it says.

C.E.V (US Version) 1 Corinthians 6:9-11
Don't you know that evil people won't have a share in the blessings of God's kingdom?

Don't fool yourselves! No one who is immoral or worships idols or is unfaithful in marriage or is a pervert or behaves like a homosexual will share in God's kingdom.

Neither will any thief or greedy person or drunkard or anyone who curses and cheats others. Some of you used to be like that.

But now the name of our Lord Jesus Christ and the power of God's Spirit have washed you and made you holy and acceptable to God.
Muttleylaff, this passage of Scripture has been posted here over and over, but you act as tho you don't see it. Why not refute it?

MuttleyLaff:
Are you sure the narrative of Lot and the angels, had anything remotely at all, to do with same sex marriages or whatnot, hmm? It has nothing to do with SS marriage(s), but a great deal to do with, lusting after strange flesh, like going after something that isnt human beings, on top, planned and attempted gang rape, wanting to have carnal knowledge without consent, being wicked and evil and/or not being hospitable, friendly and welcoming to strangers or visitors

They (the sodomites) called out to Lot and asked, “Where are the men who came to visit you tonight? Bring them out to us so we can have sex with them!” Lot went outside to them, shut the door behind him, and said, “I urge you, my brothers, ~~~don’t do such a wicked thing.”~~~

What is 'Strange Flesh?'. Pls read other Bible translations you'd discover that it means sexual perversion, like homosexuality.

Jude 1:7 So also Sodom and Gomorrah and the neighboring towns, since they indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire in a way similar to these angels, are now displayed as an example by suffering the punishment of eternal fire.

Muttleylaff, what is the wickedness Lot meant here? was it the inhospitability of the sodomites or their attempt to rape men?

Rape according to the Bible, does not carry a sentence of death. Besides, through out the Bible, there was never any mention men raping men, talk less of a penalty for men raping men. This is all your craftiness to give twisted explanation to what doesn't exists.

6. 1 Kings 14:24 And there were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD cast out before the children of Israel.

7. 1 Kings 15:12  And he took away the sodomites out of the land, and removed all the idols that his fathers had made.

MuttleyLaff could The Lord be referring to inhospitable nature of these people or something worse? Oh, but I know you won't respond.

MuttleyLaff:
The bible is alive, living and active. The bible is not dead, it is full of life and makes me come alive.

I doubt science and philosophy has ever been any new authority kkins because, check out this naaaaa, God, of course, in the Bible, can be seen to be the greatest Philosopher of all and also watch this kkins, science says, we need four basic elements to survive: Water, Air, Food and Light, but look at what Jesus did and/or said about Himself. He did and/or said: I am the living water (i.e. John 4:10, John 4:14, John 7:37, Revelation 21:6), breath of life (i.e. John 20:22), I am the bread of life (i.e. John 6:33, JohnSo 6:35, John 6:48 and John 6:51) and I am the light of the world (i.e. John 8:12, John 9:5, and John 12:46)

What bladadash?

MuttleyLaff:
kkins, there is no better book than the Bible, which is God's instructional book for living and there is no better Teacher and Interpreter than the Holy Spirit.

Yet you stand here with a bold face lying and blaspheming both the Word and the Holy Spirit.

Repent or He shall say to you on the last day 'depart from me you worker of iniquity'.

MuttleyLaff:
https://www.nairaland.com/5221576/deconstructing-lies-myth-consensual-adult#78952845
You would say I have no point, as you'll say that, when you know you're beat, isnt it? Look at the above link, notice how you stylishly avoided answering my request asking, you tell me solite3, when last did you lie and when do you think your next lie will be?

Youu are no different to the rest and them, the likes of TV01, Shepherd00, jesusjnr etcetera hiding and scared stiff answering easy, simple, straightforward and direct questions put to you.

Pls go and react to my posts and TV's.

Which kain human being wey no get shame?

The first Christian homosexual I have met.

TV01:
Muttleylaff, you are a confirmed scoundrel and, at this point, I am finding it quite difficult to append the term “Christian” to your moniker. Your irreverent handling of the scriptures, chicanery and clunky, repetitive tone are immensely irritating to say the least.

Nevertheless, let me persist here. Firstly, your title; “Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union” – this is in itself an absolute non-starter.

“Consensual sin” remains sin. Dressing an unbeliever in priestly garb does not make them disciple - at best a costumed actor. Like many of the so-called ministers/ministries I suspect you follow.

SS behaviour or acts are fundamentally dysfunctional. SS attraction is intrinsically disordered. That is a ruined foundation. Nothing can be built atop, despite your best efforts repeated ad nauseum.

Now, to your questions - even as you failed to give a considered refutation to the scriptures I posted, merely “flipping” them back to me as evidenced by another observer/participant;
And also noting that you referenced only one scripture – Matthew 19:12 - woefully taken out of context and further mis-applied like deodorant instead of air-freshener

Question
1/ What's in Romans 1, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy 1:10?
Answer
These verses clearly outline the grievously sinful nature of homosexual acts. Romans 1 specifically referring to the acts as against nature and a hallmark of judgement against a people, as they utterly rebel against the will of God and are subsequently “given-over”. 1 Corinthians 6:9 however, shows there is true hope in the gospel and with the Love of God, the grace of Christ and the power of the Holy Spirit, those caught up in this sin can be freed and washed – as for any other sinful behaviour or inclination

Question
2/ What has Romans 1, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy 1:10 got to do with the homosexuality in my purview, huh?
Answer
Your purview as I have noted above is an utterly bogus premise. I have stated why

Question
3/ Where is in the Bible or where does God say SS unions are condemned, hmm?
Answer
God would not have to specifically condemn SS unions anymore than he would have had to (under the law) specifically condemn a bacon sandwich shop – i.e. if pork is forbidden, an enterprise based on pork products does not need to be expressly mentioned. Duh?

Question
4/ Why specifically, are you on about, saying: "clear condemnation of the act and the pathway for repentance, forgiveness and washing from the same act that is clearly outlined in the scripture. Romans 1, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy 1:10"
Answer
Beautifully responded to in question 1 above.

Bonus responses
1/ Do you agree and accept that though content is king, context is the king-maker? Dude, you are running a campaign – and most insidiously at that. Quit with the fake piety and scholarly apprehensions.

2/ Please what is your understanding of how and why homosexuality, same sex attraction and same sex union is sin? Disordered, dysfunctional, depraved’ Expressely condemned by scripture. If you haven’t got that by now, I can’t really help. Especially in the absence of a well exegeted rebuttal – see what I did there

3/ What specifically is the evil with consensual adults same sex couples, that are in a kind, trusting, caring, loving, faithful, no harm done to each other or any other person and committed life long, until death do them apart relationships? As above. Also it pollutes the land. The acts are forms or worship and a gateway for demonic activity Consent does not sanctify sin. Nor does word salad

4/ Do you have biblical verses to shore up your response to #2 above? If you do, please share, so we both can self examine them together. Done repeatedly. It's now down to you to offer a reasoned response to the scriptures provided and explicated.

5/ Do you have biblical verses to shore up your response to #3 above? If you do, please share, so we both can self examine them together. Done repeatedly. It's now down to you to offer a reasoned response to the scriptures provided and explicated.


TV

Weldone TV01

TV01:
Muttleylaff, you are a confirmed scoundrel and, at this point, I am finding it quite difficult to append the term “Christian” to your moniker. Your irreverent handling of the scriptures, chicanery and clunky, repetitive tone are immensely irritating to say the least.

Nevertheless, let me persist here. Firstly, your title; “Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union” – this is in itself an absolute non-starter.

“Consensual sin” remains sin. Dressing an unbeliever in priestly garb does not make them disciple - at best a costumed actor. Like many of the so-called ministers/ministries I suspect you follow.

SS behaviour or acts are fundamentally dysfunctional. SS attraction is intrinsically disordered. That is a ruined foundation. Nothing can be built atop, despite your best efforts repeated ad nauseum.

Now, to your questions - even as you failed to give a considered refutation to the scriptures I posted, merely “flipping” them back to me as evidenced by another observer/participant;
And also noting that you referenced only one scripture – Matthew 19:12 - woefully taken out of context and further mis-applied like deodorant instead of air-freshener

Question
1/ What's in Romans 1, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy 1:10?
Answer
These verses clearly outline the grievously sinful nature of homosexual acts. Romans 1 specifically referring to the acts as against nature and a hallmark of judgement against a people, as they utterly rebel against the will of God and are subsequently “given-over”. 1 Corinthians 6:9 however, shows there is true hope in the gospel and with the Love of God, the grace of Christ and the power of the Holy Spirit, those caught up in this sin can be freed and washed – as for any other sinful behaviour or inclination

Question
2/ What has Romans 1, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy 1:10 got to do with the homosexuality in my purview, huh?
Answer
Your purview as I have noted above is an utterly bogus premise. I have stated why

Question
3/ Where is in the Bible or where does God say SS unions are condemned, hmm?
Answer
God would not have to specifically condemn SS unions anymore than he would have had to (under the law) specifically condemn a bacon sandwich shop – i.e. if pork is forbidden, an enterprise based on pork products does not need to be expressly mentioned. Duh?

Question
4/ Why specifically, are you on about, saying: "clear condemnation of the act and the pathway for repentance, forgiveness and washing from the same act that is clearly outlined in the scripture. Romans 1, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy 1:10"
Answer
Beautifully responded to in question 1 above.

Bonus responses
1/ Do you agree and accept that though content is king, context is the king-maker? Dude, you are running a campaign – and most insidiously at that. Quit with the fake piety and scholarly apprehensions.

2/ Please what is your understanding of how and why homosexuality, same sex attraction and same sex union is sin? Disordered, dysfunctional, depraved’ Expressely condemned by scripture. If you haven’t got that by now, I can’t really help. Especially in the absence of a well exegeted rebuttal – see what I did there

3/ What specifically is the evil with consensual adults same sex couples, that are in a kind, trusting, caring, loving, faithful, no harm done to each other or any other person and committed life long, until death do them apart relationships? As above. Also it pollutes the land. The acts are forms or worship and a gateway for demonic activity Consent does not sanctify sin. Nor does word salad

4/ Do you have biblical verses to shore up your response to #2 above? If you do, please share, so we both can self examine them together. Done repeatedly. It's now down to you to offer a reasoned response to the scriptures provided and explicated.

5/ Do you have biblical verses to shore up your response to #3 above? If you do, please share, so we both can self examine them together. Done repeatedly. It's now down to you to offer a reasoned response to the scriptures provided and explicated.


TV

Muttleylaff. Take it as TV01 did, step by step and give responses.

kkins25:
Hello, thanks for the mention @ muttley which unfortunately i didnt notice until now. Im getting ready to go to work but would be drop my opinion later.

Do i believe homosexuality is ansin? HELL NO..
Those[sic] the bible say homosexualism is evil??
From the narrative of lot and the the angels one is led to believe that SS marriages is indeed a gruesome sin.

You have represented two opposing views.

1. Hell No, homosexuality is not a sin.

2. The Bible says Homosexuality is a gruesome Sin

But, of course you don't subscribe to the Bible, so I absolve you of everything it says. I leave you to your Maker.

kkins25:
But i dont take the bible as moral authoruty because the bible has been dead for the past 2600 years....

You have no business being in this thread then, because this Op is about proving that the Bible which you don't believe in It's moral authority calls homosexuality a sin, as you have previously attested to. And we are here to prove it with It.

kkins25:
although it holds some core wisdom on human nature.

Can you mention a few of these Wisdoms?

kkins25:
However humanity cannot survive in this evolving world by following every word of the bible hence, science and philosophy is the new authority.. Furthermore, the bible is subject to perception bias. Why trust the interpreters?

This ^^^^ is why whatever you say here is invalidated.

No need to come back here.

budaatum:
Repost it please. Your Ezekiel 3:18 and your analysis.

Okay then here it is. And pls do same afterwards.

@Shepherd00 posted

I couldn't treat this yesterday. Here I am. Let's look at that verse within context. Remember context is the foundation.

Afterwards Buda, you will give your own analysis of Ezekiel 3:18 Yes? Fine. here we go.

Ezekiel 3:18 When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand


When I say unto the wicked,
Who is the wicked Buda?

Can the wicked be your neighbor?
I say yes.
What do You say
?


]Thou shalt surely die;


What is death in this context? It is the eternal separation from the Kingsom of God, not a natural death.

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and ~~the abominable,~~ and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and
brimstone: which is the second death. (Rev. 21:8 KJV)

Don't you know that evil people won't have a share in the blessings of God's kingdom? Don't fool yourselves! No one who is ~~immoral~~or worships idols or is ~~unfaithful in marriage~ or is ~~a pervert~~or ~~behaves like a homosexual~~will share in God's kingdom. Neither will any thief or greedy person or drunkard or anyone who curses and cheats others.
C.E.V 1 Corinthians 6:9-10

Pls Buda, note that, immorality (fornication) has its own Corner here, unfaithfulness in marriage(adultery) has its. Perversion has its and Homosexuality has its too. So don't mix them up and say they mean the same thing.

Ezekiel 3:18 Cont. and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.


Have you seen that I am doing what God says I shd do?
PLS PLSSSSSSSSSSS show me how I lied.[/b]


And this is me calling you to the post;

'Budaatum pls come over here, this is the post

Buda, you accused me of laziness, leaving my homework undone, but here is me doing yours for you. Kindly read and reply accordingly.

MuttleyLaff:
openmine, what does the title of the thread say, hmm? TV01 is the big hotshot who came out at me, so that is why I am starting with him and as well facing him. If only he just would answer those my four easy, simple, straightforward direct questions to get this whole matter properly started.

I know about all your reservations, it would be addressed, if just TV01 would answer those four questions. It is him holding things up openmine, talk to him

I answered them. Must it be TV? Why haven't you reacted to my answers yet?

MuttleyLaff:
Is it a lie.? Did I lie about you and your flimsy excuse you gave or did I lie about jesusjnr doing schtum undercover low profile staying away from the thread, hmm?

So, me saying I'd only respond to you with regards to my questions to you in my thread where the questions are asked, became a lair?

Why haven't you responded to my posts?

MuttleyLaff:
Is it a lie? Did I lie about you and your flimsy excuse you gave or did I lie about jesusjnr doing schtum undercover low profile staying away from the thread, hmm?

You are not only a liar, but a blasphemer of the Word of God, and you know this is unpardonable.

And, how come I have not seen any rebuttal from you on all my posts to you? Oh, you became blind to them but go on mentioning me like a broken record.

You lied and said Joseph kissed his father the way homosexuals kiss their partners.

You liard by saying Apst Paul admonished Christian brethren to kiss themselves like the homosexuals do.

You lied by saying The Lord said homosexuals are Eunuchs who some were born thus, some were made thus by others, while some made themselves thus for the furtherance of the Kingdom of God.

I asked you how many Homosexuals made themselves thus for the kingdom and how many were or are missionaries/Revivalists/ Christian Reformers.

I asked you if Eunuchs have sex organs, and engage in sexual activities, and if homosexuals have sex.

I asked you if lesbians can also be termed Eunuchs.

To that you became blind like a Bat.

It's not enough to call people liars, point to these lies.

budaatum:
You deliberately don't read a post

Yes, I ignore mentions if I want to. Muttleylaff is mentioning me like 10 times in his responses to others, I don't read those posts except I want to.

budaatum:
You deliberately don't read responses

Yes, when I don't want to, depending on who mentioned me.

budaatum:
You deliberately don't react to them
You are asking buda, How?

Listen Buda, I don't ignore posts in my threads or responses made to my posts in my thread, but in other threads where I get mentions, I deliberately ignore them depending on who mentioned me.

MuttleyLaff:
https://www.nairaland.com/5221576/deconstructing-lies-myth-consensual-adult#78952845
You would say I have no point, as you'll say that, when you know you're beat, isnt it? Look at the above link, notice how you stylishly avoided answering my request asking, you tell me solite3, when last did you lie and when do you think your next lie will be?

Youu are no different to the rest and them, the likes of TV01, Shepherd00, jesusjnr etcetera hiding and scared stiff answering easy, simple, straightforward and direct questions put to you.

You are completely devoid of shame.

Where is Budaatum? I'm still waiting for you to show me where and how i lied.

MuttleyLaff:
My first, only and last. I was just about 1-3 months arrived from Naija too when that encounter happened. My missus still makes light fun joke about it with me, as I told her about it.

Shepherd00? Pfft.

Will you attest to the fact that the so called missus could be a man, since you believe it's right to.marry one?

KingEbukasBlog:
Good work you doing. Well done

Thanks your Highness.

budaatum:
No Shepherd! I shall vex! I can not be doing your homework for you while you yourself are being lazy and refuse to read especially if I have done it for you twice already!

What is so hard for you to direct me to the post nah? And, how are is this my homework? You accuse me of something, and I'm saying proof it.

budaatum:
Stop your own "jump jump about leaving posts untreated" and treat your own post about Ezekiel that you misquoted, then kindly treat the post I've asked you to treat 3 times now but which you still have not treated!

Shd I repost where a posted and analyzed Ezekiel 3:18? Didn't you see it?

Okay, let's go back to the posts we need treating and call ourselves back there.

Budaatum, I'm still waiting for a proper posting of Ez: Ezekiel 3:18 and the right analysis.

budaatum:
See below my response to you at the time which you seem to have also missed!

And my response to that was 'I don't read posts posted to my answers?

If I don't read a post, it's because it's deliberate. If I don't read responses how will I react to them.

MuttleyLaff:
4/ Do you have biblical verses to shore up your response to #2 above? If you do, please share, so we both can self examine them together

Have you been reading at all?
Read up.

MuttleyLaff:
5/ Do you have biblical verses to shore up your response to #3 above? If you do, please share, so we both can self examine them together.
Sebi, you desire a scriptural discussion, hmm, let's see how much, you can face up to, stomach and hold down before you start retching them up, give up, call it a day and say you've had enough hmm.

Everything that concerns marriage in the Bible is about a man and a woman. I think the person who shd be posting scriptures to back up is you.


Every scripture you've posted so far is crab.

MuttleyLaff:
3/ What specifically is the evil with consensual adults same sex couples, that are in a kind, trusting, caring, loving, faithful, no harm done to each other or any other person and committed life long, until death do them apart relationships?

Everything you mentioned there are encapsulated in
Genesis 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
Again, all you mentioned there are prerequisites in Heterosexual union.

And the evil in it is, God says 'Don't do it'. It's against nature. It is an abomination before Him. It kills prosperity. And, He created things to continue to reproduce according to their kind.

MuttleyLaff:
1/ Do you agree and accept that though content is king, context is the king-maker?
2/ Please what is your understanding of how and why homosexuality, same sex attraction and same sex union is sin?

1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
What is the law?
Leviticus 18:22. Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

C.E. V. Leviticus 20:13 It's disgusting for men to have sex with one another, and those who do will be put to death, just as they deserve.

Pls disprove the scriptures and within context too.

MuttleyLaff:
Thank you for kindly giving me the green light and floor. Time is a snitch, because it soon will tell, whether or not, I truly woefully failed to articulate anything meaningful to your alleged quite basic questions you asked me.
I think you're beginning to realise what you've let yourself into, you've bitten more than you can chew, you should have stayed away, like them shepherd00 and jesusjnr. This thread is not going to be a wham bam thank you ma'am 40 seconds man sprint, but is going to be a marathon. Nobody gets off this bumpy ride car before its wheels comes off.

watch it so your chest won't break with how hard you are beating it.

Oh Muttleylaff, You fail woefully in your tempt to pass evil as good.

MuttleyLaff:
Knowing fully well, my purview, you still, would type and talk like that, wouldnt you, as you usually do? Look at you, doing your, again, usual strawman mining stunts, like trying to embroil me into trans doctrine,. What has trans doctrine have to do with me, when my purview, clearly is about consensual adults in SS relationships, hmm?. If you want to introduce it, then fine, but I wont go into it with you yet until I've hand the chance to get my questions in, edgeways uninterrupted by your red herring practices.
Listen TV01, when one thing is said, the clever person understands three but, hang on, I think, I have warned you before, to try learn to ride before jumping again, on your high horse, havent I?
Pearls don't lie on the seashore TV01. The desire for pearls, attracts and draws divers to plunge deep into the sea, and so, if one wants pearl(s), one must dive for it

Always obscure in responding to direct questions.
Can you manage to answer questions are they are asked?

The questions TV01 asked you is 'If yes, why was it nowhere modelled in scripture? What would be Gods blessing/outcome for them. Especially given how offspring & generational continuity are viewed biblically?'
Just answer it directly Muttley.
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MuttleyLaff:
I repeat, this is not germane because my response was a big fat YES above and not No, so what are you going on about with here now, hmm?
I envisaged some sort of monkey business will unfold and so why I suggested that the thread have an objective and open-minded poster refereeing activities on it

Going by the Matt 19:12 you posted, will you say Homosexuals are Eunuchs?

Do homosexuals have sex?

Are they homosexuals to further the gospel of Christ?

Okay, How many Revivalists and Reformers were homosexuals who principally made themselves thus for the sake of the gospel?

MuttleyLaff:
The scriptural reference or backing for this, in Jesus' words, please, is or can be found in Matthew 19:12a, where Jesus stated emphatically and/or publicly said some are born that way from their mother's womb, as in from birth

Master of Verbosity. TV01 asked you a simple question, but you rambled in the hay only to give this weak answer?
Here is Matt 19:12 for those who may not have the time to check it.
For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.
Matthew 19:12

When I call Muttleylaff a truth thief he wld huff and puff. Here is Muttleylaff telling the world that homosexuals are Eunuchs. For real?

Be it as it may, let us analyze this before we go to the scripture.

Eunuchs is a man who has had his sexual organs removed.

Is a Eunuch the same as an impotent man?

Impotence is an abnormal physical or psychological 
state of a male characterized by inability to engage in sexual intercourse because of failure to 
have or maintain an erection.

Eunuch is castrated, while an impotent man can have his organs but they won't function.

A Eunuch and an impotent men don't have sex at all, but do the homosexuals?

The Lord is saying that they are certain men who are born without male Instruments, some get castrated maybe because they are slaves serving in the palaces of Kings. But, some, like the Apst Paul, gave up sex for the sake of the gospel. But does this talk about homosexuals?
Do homosexuals have sex?

Which Category did the homosexuals fall under going by Matt 19:12?

Are they born homosexuals?
Are some of them made homosexuals?
Did they make themselves homosexuals for the Kingsom of God?

And, what about Lesbians? Are they Eunuchs too?

budaatum:
Typical avoidance tactic of yours Shepherd.

Did I not quote the correct Ezekiel verse you misquoted? Now, in your opinion, it is I, who properly quoted Ezekiel for you who should go and analyse the Ezekiel you misquoted?

You either have no shame or you believe every one who reads what you've written is blind and has no brain.

I repeat!

Pls refer me to the post. No vex. We no go dey jump jump about leaving posts untreated.

You know I can answer your question, but not after we are done with the first.