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MuttleyLaff:
Look above, you'll see who and who were prohibited

Those ones had physical deformities (Defects)
Are you affirming that God could not and cannot use homosexuals becos they are deformed sexually?

MuttleyLaff:
The first 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 scripture, as I've already said in my lengthy 3-part long post, has nothing to do with homosexual

CEV1 Corinthians 6:9-10

"Don't you know that evil people won't have a share in the blessings of God's kingdom? Don't fool yourselves!

No one who is immoral or worships idols or is unfaithful in marriage or is a pervert or behaves like a homosexual will share in God's kingdom

Neither will any thief or greedy person or drunkard or anyone who curses and cheats others".

No, it's not about homosexuality in totally. It's about the Kingdom of God and those who will not enter into it based on their SINS.

Verse 9 says, [b] do not fool yourself MuttleyLaff, no immoral (Fornicator), or idol worshipper or unfaithful in marriage (Adulterer), or a ~~~pervert person who behaves like homosexual~~~ will enter into the Kingsom of God.
MuttleyLaff, Why will God reject homosexuals access into His Kingdom if He is okay with their Acts?

The context here fly over your head.

MuttleyLaff:
Now with or about the rest of the other scriptures you've put up there, if upon what I've so far written in that my lengthy 3-part long post, you still cant see why the negativity, then, I think your problem is bigger than me to be of any assistance for you. You will need Holy Spirit intervention and top up.

You are the one needing the Holy Spirit here because, no scripture you posted holds water.

Pls post them here and explain them within context.

MuttleyLaff:
As much as I love this question, I still doubt your sincerety. 

You are asking this question because you have no idea of the context of Leviticus 18 and Leviticus 20 since you're only concerned with just by itself the Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 content

Are you assuming the context or it's there for all to see? because, I can't see Temple Prostitution or sex orgies in the context of Lev.18:20

MuttleyLaff:
The kind of act of Homosexuality in the Bible that always accompanies death is the sort that as I passingly mentioned in my lengthy 3-part long post revolves around ritual sex performed during fertility god worship.

So indeed homosexuality is a ritual sex to a god albeit a different sort? Hmmm

MuttleyLaff:
This was done, under the make believe that divine blessings is obtained from indulging in such ritualistic sex. Male temple prostitutes made their services available for willing patrons or participants. Even those who weren't naturally gay, at times indulge in these sex orgies

And Leviticus 18:20 underlies this?
Pls post the premise.

MuttleyLaff:
Textual context cannot be divorced entirely from biblical context Shepherd00, the evidence is there, that idolatry and with fertility gods, lust, temple sex, temple prostitution and promiscuous sex are the subject matter of Leviticus 18 and Leviticus 20 chapters, that feature Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13. Idolatry and with fertility gods, lust, temple sex, temple prostitution and promiscuous sex matter, that incidentally were dealt with in that Romans 1 chapter are the themes of those scripture

Yes, before the Israelites took over the land of Canaan, these things prevailed, but these were the same things that YHWH said provoked Him to cast the evil people out of the land.


Leviticus 18:24-25
Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:
And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.
That is the context of Lev.18 from 1 all through to the end.

The activities mentioned were the things which if anyone does, the Long anger shall be visited on.

Leviticus 18:29 For whosoever shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people.

MuttleyLaff homosexuality is one of the abominations mentioned here, where then did the Bible record a different kind of homosexuality than this? Besides, of all the abominations, only homosexuality earns one a death sentence, why?

MuttleyLaff:
No Israelite, whether man or woman, may become a temple prostitute."
- Deuteronomy 23:17

Deuteronomy 23:17 There shall be no LovePeddler of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.
Sodomite? I thought you said the Sin of Sodom wasn't homosexuality?

Deuteronomy 23:17-18 People of Israel, don't any of you ever be temple prostitutes.

The LORD your God is disgusted with men and women who are prostitutes of any kind, and he will not accept a gift from them, even if it had been promised to him.

MuttleyLaff. I'm trying to find the right and acceptable kind of homosexuality from scriptures. Pls help me here.

[quote author=MuttleyLaff post=79121459]There were even male shrine prostitutes in the land;
the people engaged in all the detestable practices of the nations the LORD had driven out before the Israelites."
- 1 Kings 14:24

What I see so far is that, homosexuality has its roots in satanism. It's a demonic Spirit.

MuttleyLaff:
When you look at scriptures, like Deuteronomy 23:17 and 1 Kings 14:24 above, you'll discover that all these illusions and false idea or beliefs were happening in the area before the Israelites arrived to inherit the land.

Why do you call them illusions?

And, If it was okay with YHWH, why did he commanded that anyone amongst His people who engaged in them be killed?

MuttleyLaff:
The pagans believed they obtain divine blessing by indulging in ritualstic sex at the temple, this practice and mind thinking is what God was against. The thought and the act also, is what God found detestable. It not only was promiscious, there is cheating, betrayal, unfaithfulness, adultery, fornication etcetera going on. The only way God can stop this practice and indicate the severity, is by punishment by death. I hope this made matters clearer.

So, God was against the part where it's done in the temple as a ritual to their god as a form worship, but was okay with it if it was done HOW and WHERE?

MuttleyLaff, going by what you just explained, hasn't it been clear to you that anal sex is Satan's pattern of sex, just like Hetero-sex is of God?
Can't you see it that satan mimics God in everything?

Hetero-sex within marriage is a form of worship to God, because when we do it, he blesses us with children to fulfill his mandate 'Go into the world and Multiply'. Anal sex is just pleasure, nothing else.

Satan gives nothing to anyone hence his pattern of sex.

MuttleyLaff:
By the way and in fairness, even heterosexual acts are mentioned in the negative, just as certain homosexual acts are, and are levelled with appropiate punishments ranging up to stoning by death Shepherd00

What do you mean by 'Certain homosexual acts? How many types of homosexual acts are mentioned in the Bible?

And yes, hetero-sex outside of marriage was also mentioned as sin, what's your point?

MuttleyLaff:
Shepherd00 please stop this below par reasoning, so you dont know that procreation is a means to an end, and isnt really the end itself, hmmm

If Procreation is a means to an end, what then is the End? Pls answer with regards to 'Let everything procreate according to its kind'.

MuttleyLaff:
Shepherd00? Shepherd00? Shepherd00? How many times did I call you? Please tell me this is a joke question

What is a joke about the question MuttleyLaff?

MuttleyLaff:
In the way you are behaving and doing now, you do not qualify to know. You might find out from someone else, but at least I wont be divulging that info to you

Do you still remember that 'Thou shall not lie' is a Commandment of YHWH?

MuttleyLaff:
Time is a snitch, time will tell if empty words or not

Smoke screen.

MuttleyLaff:
Do you always have to argue, just for arguing sake, hmm? So you now want to compare a Nazarine with same sex attraction minority couples hmm? Abeggy leave and free me jor

A Nazarite not a Nazarine. They are different. And yes you brought up the percentage of the homosexuals making it seem like they were too few to be used of God.
MuttleyLaff, I am not holding you oo. You brought it up so clarify it. Why wasn't one homosexual in the olden days used by God? You rightly said they were in the days of the Bible, I agree, the Bible mentioned them, but why were not used by God?

MuttleyLaff:
16 The LORD said to Moses, 
17 “Say to Aaron: ‘For the generations to come none of your descendants who has a defect may come near to offer the food of his God. 
18 No man who has any defect may come near: no man who is blind or lame, disfigured or deformed; 
19 no man with a crippled foot or hand, 
20 or who is hunchbacked or dwarfed, or who has any eye defect, or who has festering or running sores or damaged testicles. 
21 No descendant of Aaron the priest who has any defect is to come near to present the offerings made to the LORD by fire. He has a defect; he must not come near to offer the food of his God. 
22 He may eat the most holy food of his God, as well as the holy food; 
23 yet because of his defect, he must not go near the curtain or approach the altar, and so desecrate my sanctuary. 
I am the LORD, who makes them holy.
- Leviticus 21:16-23 

Are you at all familiar with the above Leviticus 21:16-23 scripture? I am just asking ni ooo and just tried, bringing it, to your remembrance

See as you just use Hammer take crush your blokosh.
These were people chosen to serve as persists before God, but because they had DEFECTS, they were not to approach. Even at that, You just affirmed that if God will not use the homosexuals it was because they had a defect
Isn't this what we have been saying since morning? Homosexuality tendencies is a sexual defect MuttleyLaff.

You just lifted scriptures which are not even close to back up your claim, yet ended up nailing yourself by Yourself.

MuttleyLaff:
Shepherd00, this is a Bible 101 question, and funnily enough the answer to the question I already and/or have previously answered in my post on this thread

I didn't read your lengthy post, so post it to me again.

MuttleyLaff I can spot you peeping. Haven't you seen my post?

tintingz:
He destined it.

Okay, enjoy then.

tintingz:
Satan's pride is God doing. So?

Ask me why.

In others words, God commits your crimes for you. He makes you steal, lie and commit sexual sins.

No.wahala. Enjoy.

MuttleyLaff:
Oya coman beat me now for mentioning your moniker, your copyrighted moniker abi? Maybe I should stop giving you attention

The hell with the stupid attention. If you want to give me attention, then direct my post to me, stop being childish.


Now to know I'm not shaking by you, why not be a man and do what men do?

There's no way I'd be able to quote and respond to what you cramped together up there.

The Leviticus' you quoted is laughable MuttleyLaff.

I was looking to see where any of those other abominations backed death as a sentence, but only Homosexuality did.

Try again man. Hahahahahahaha.

Ranchhoddas:
No make me laugh abeg.

I don't want to preempt TV but I think what Muttleylaff is saying is that the verses that appear to condemn homosexuality are mistranslated/misunderstood. That is the summary of his posts.
I'll wait for TV's response before deciding if the thread should be reduced to an issue of Greek etymology.

But Muttleylaff reduce the length of your posts. Some things are just unnecessarily repetitive.
Hit the nail on the head.

I only need to know why everytime the Act was mentioned what follows was a sentence of death. If God approves of it why was it held against?

MuttleyLaff:
It is you who is being unreasonable here, if you weren't, you will admit and acknowledge each place where I know it pertains to you I appended your moniker as a mention, sometimes, by itself or alongside TV01

Chia! What can be so hard in just quoting and responding to my post separately from others? hmm?

MuttleyLaff:
The problem with you, openmine and possibly others, is you both and them, having trouble reading sentences more than 3-6 lines.

No, it's not about reading, it's about where to quote in other to respond. You sir, are impossible.

MuttleyLaff:
This is evidenced in that though I've already numerous times in the past answered your question in the affirmative, I also recently, as in my post today, advance the information that some people are born gay. I even further dropped in epigenetic(s)

In other words, 'Let everything reproduce according to its kind is false? . You run around graping straws everywhere even when they slip through your hands, you fight to hold unto them.

From Animals to birds, to fish, to man let everything reproduce according to it's kind. Pls how does homosexuality fit into this.

Is there a reason why God instructed that Noah took in each specie of animals two pairs? Pls tell me why. Were they also gay ones amongst them?

MuttleyLaff:
Now you are asking me how many homosexuals God used even after I had volunteered and advance information that a homosexual built "church" for the Israelites to worship in. I bet you'll be asking for the Bible reference of this next.

Yes, i'd ask the name of the homosexual and the passage of the Bible it is recorded that a homosexual built a Church for the Israelites. Who was he and how do I verify it?

MuttleyLaff:
I don't mind being Bob the Builder, but not ready to be Bob the Builder, to build you up in this matter. Anybody else but not you Shepherd00.

Empty words MuttleyLaff. empty words.

MuttleyLaff:
Please stop asking me these unreasonable questions, especially when facts shows, tells and confirm that homosexual are always less than 5% of the world's population at every and any other time.

I will ask you questions Muttley, you cannot help for explain to me what you affirm.

And, how is their percentage my problem? Do you know how many Nazarites were it Israel? God used the few. So, if He approves of homosexuals, it will be mentioned, at least once.

Do you remember Rehab? She was a prostitute, she was mentioned, despite God pronouncing that no Israelite shd be a prostitute. She was not only mentioned, she became a Matriarch. Do you remember Ruth? She was a Moabitess, The Lord commanded that His people shd not marry her tribe, A Jew married her any way and She become an Ancestor of the Lord.

MuttleyLaff, why does homosexuality always follow with negative pronouncements everytime it is referenced in the Bible?

MuttleyLaff:
Let me also inform you because you seem to have forgotten that until after the finished work on Calvary not everyone was allowed or permitted to work in service for God

Like who and who were prohibited? They must not be priests or prophets to be used of God remember? Cyrus was a Gentle, not a Jew, but God used him.

The Father of Jeroboam who sculpted stones for the Temple of Solomon was not a Jew, he was from Tyre, but God used him. Balaam was a Soothsayer from Syria, not a Jew, but God used him. So I go on?


Why was homosexuality always mentioned in the negative? As in these passages;

C.E.V (US Version) 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 
Don't you know that evil people won't have a share in the blessings of God's kingdom? 

Don't fool yourselves! No one who is immoral or worships idols or is unfaithful in marriage or is a pervert or ~~~behaves like a homosexual~~~ will share in God's kingdom. 

They (the sodomites) called out to Lot and asked, “Where are the men who came to visit you tonight? Bring them out to us so we can have sex with them!” Lot went outside to them, shut the door behind him, and said, “I urge you, my brothers, ~~~don’t do such a wicked thing.”~~~

Jude 1:7 So also Sodom and Gomorrah and the neighboring towns, since they indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire in a way similar to these angels, are now displayed as an example by suffering the punishment of eternal fire.

. 1 Kings 14:24 And there were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD cast out before the children of Israel.

1 Kings 15:12  And he took away the sodomites out of the land, and removed all the idols that his fathers had made.

C.E.V. Judges 19:22-23 They were having a good time, when some worthless men of that town surrounded the house and started banging on the door and shouting,~~~ “A man came to your house tonight. Send him out, so we can have sex with him!”~~~ The old man went outside and said, “My friends, please ~~~don't commit such a horrible crime ~~~~against a man who is a guest in my house.

C.E.V.Judges 20:12-13
The tribes of Israel sent messengers to every town and village in Benjamin. And wherever the messengers went, they said, “How could those worthless men in Gibeah ~~~do such a disgusting thing?~~~ We can't allow such a terrible crime to go unpunished in Israel!~~~~ Hand the men over to us, and we will put them to [death].” But the people of Benjamin refused to listen to the other Israelites.

MuttleyLaff why does the Act of Homosexuality in the Bible always accompanies death?

Pls, let's concentrate on these verses. Pls tell me.


You kept screaming that I was intimidated by you, now you complain of me asking you questions. Pls answer me.

MuttleyLaff:
If I am really bro to you, then please stop twisting my words, stop misrepresenting and stop misquoting me. Stop saying things I have never said, stop putting words in my mouth. I never said anyone has a problem with but said what Shepherd00 problem is, which it looks like you share with him.

Let me make all this easy for you, as I am a fair, generous and accommodating person hmm? Why don't you state what my submissions are and state how according to scripture and to you, I am wrong.

Is God, not love, is God not in where love abides hmm openmine, if yes, then, what is your problem erh, why are you demonising this kind of love, huh? Why are you cursing, what God has not cursed?

MuttleyLaff, pls stop mentioning my moniker all over your posts if you'd not direct your responses to me. Enough of this joke Biko.

tintingz:
My goodness, my goodness!!

Lolzz. I need to hear you say Satan's pride is God's doing. Go ahead

MuttleyLaff, Pls let me and you peruse this scripture.

Leviticus 20:13 The Message (MSG)
13[b] “If a man has sex with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is abhorrent. They must be put to death; they are responsible for their own deaths.[/b]

Why shd a man who has sex with another man as with a woman be killed?


You mentioned Temple Prostitution or sexual orgies. Let's concentrate on this verse and go back to the history of Leviticus let's see if it says anything relating to Orgies.

Pls, only this verse for now.

MuttleyLaff:
Please stop this shenanigan crafty games you are playing. You and your clique claim God hates homosexuals and detests the homosexuality acts isn't it? I have painstakingly enumerated how this lie has been perpetrated. I have presented facts, facts that can be verified and fact checked to see if what I type were incorrect.

Just this week, the Pope, has put forward that part of the Lord's prayer in the Bible, should be changed. Well that is yet another mistake and mistranslation he is trying to correct.

Bury your head in the sand, stick to your guns, and hold your foot in the ground, it's no concern to me, if the truth is too harsh for your eyes to see it. I'll soon be shaking off the dust of my slippers concerning you.

kai. Shame dey catch me for ya behaf. With all my heart, I pray for you. May God have mercy on you, true

MuttleyLaff:
Please stop this shenanigan crafty games you are playing. You and your clique claim God hates homosexuals and detests the homosexuality acts isn't it? I have painstakingly enumerated how this lie has been perpetrated. I have presented facts, facts that can be verified and fact checked to see if what I type were incorrect.

Just this week, the Pope, has put forward that part of the Lord's prayer in the Bible, should be changed. Well that is yet another mistake and mistranslation he is trying to correct.

Bury your head in the sand, stick to your guns, and hold your foot in the ground, it's no concern to me, if the truth is too harsh for your eyes to see it. I'll soon be shaking off the dust of my slippers concerning you.

.

MuttleyLaff:
For the sake of crying out loud, in light of the 3-section long lengthy reply I made, could you please provide when and where, in scriptures, God said He hates homosexuals or detests homosexual acts in per se.

Please also show, where God objected to it and I'll do same, showing you Jesus not minding pr objecting to it but actually praised the homosexual for his unmatching faith, and that is besides him, already building a "church" for the Israelites to worship in

U know, I asked you before. Let me ask again. Do you believe God created people with homosexuality tendencies?

Yes or No.

If yes, Why didn't He created Adam and Eve, and then another man? or Eve and Adam, and another woman for the equation to balance.

Why did He created only 2 humans?

Since God didn't have a problem with it, How many people who were homosexuals were used by God?

How many Revivalists or Reformers/Evangelicals were, or are still homosexuals?

God used Gentles to carry out His mandated Agenda both in the old and in the New testament even when He chose the Nation of Israel to be His people, Why didn't he use any homosexuals but gave them over as reprobates?



If you join my posts to all other posts, I will stop responding to you and I will take you for a fraud.

MuttleyLaff:
I hope you are not visually impaired, hmm openmine?.

Some people sha, a three part reply, as he comes on here, saying not a single rebuttal. SMH.

Muttleylaff, how can you even think of using our dexterity to compare with homosexuality?

Maybe you shd post only one scripture where dexterity was mentioned as an issue.

WTH?

HappyPagan:
All I see is emotions, rather than sheep, following a shepherd from thread to thread. Cries and wailings...

Sorry we are not discussing Ancestral concepts here, so have a good day.

Retreat to your shrine quietly

MuttleyLaff:
My brother ultimately we want to have the correct scriptural interpretation and be led by the Holy spirit but this is not going to happen if "the jacket, shirt/blouse, trousers and shoes put on look too big on some of us" We are urged to beef up, grow in and into the Spirit. Fill up and out into jacket, shirt/blouse, trousers and shoes so they fit snuggly and perfectly.

Shepherd00, as a typical full bloodied Naija man that you are, I know you are not very good at saying sorry, but then, you’ve apologised for calling me gay, though you know I am not gay.

An apology is a lovely perfume, it can transform the clumsiest moment into a gracious gift. You apologising to me, doesn't mean you're wrong and somebody is right. It just means you value the peace of mind with yourself and God, more than your ego. I knew it was never your intention to hurt me or cause me pain, so I never was bothered nor took anything to heart

Have you ever noticed, that people would rather stop speaking to you, instead of apologising. The first to apologise is the bravest. The first to forgive is the strongest and the first to forget is the happiest

Sometimes being yourself or you, is not always going to be agreeable to someone else, so I too, I am sorry. I am sorry Shepherd00, for being Me and so apologise to you too brother

PS: Sorry Shepherd00 for the lengthy post up there, that I am seeing you now reading. As dem say, plenty information dey inside one kobo book

I was on transit when I looked in. I couldn't believe you can be this unreasonable to join all the responses together. Pls point me to my posts let me react to them.

tintingz:
Ok, so while I was uncreated, how was my fate known and destined when I'm not yet existing to make any decisions?

tintingz
You didn't tell me if God is responsible for your theft, lies, cheating fornication murders both physically and intentionally.
I need to hear you say when you lie it's God who makes you lie.

Go on.

LordReed:
without being aware; unintentionally.

Now Lord of Reeds, let me explain some.thing for you. You may not grasp it becos it's above you. However, I'll try to let you in.


Sin, is a nature, not an act. It's not something you do, it's what you are. What you do then is fueled or propelled by that Nature.

I have a new Nature right now. It's called 'Righteousness' given to me by Christ Jesus, so the sin Nature is gone from me. I do not bare the fruits of sin anymore.

I see and identify Sin clearly now and work away from it by the grace of God enabling me.

So, yes, I do not commit sin anymore.

MuttleyLaff:
PART 3 CONTINUED FROM ABOVE. I HAD TO SPLIT INTO 3 PARTS, AS WAS TOLD POST IS TOO LONG

OK, TV01, Shepherd00 and maybe openmine as well, now, the $64,000 question is, stating clearly and in detail, leaving no room for confusion or doubt, what correctly, in Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, is the committed abomination that was being done before God, hmm?
(i.e. what correctly and pato, in Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, is the thing that was done, that God hates and/or detests?)

None of you guys, not even bigshot TV01, with all that his big chutzpah, ever answers those question(s)

There is nothing bogus in my purview, but what is bogus, is the deception and lies you learned and strongly come to believe.

How you've given in to the false appearance(s) from the genuine and the false impression different to the true meaning of the text and words in Romans 1:26-27, 1 Corinthians 6:9 and/or 1 Timothy 1:10. The truth about the text and words, in Romans 1:26-27, 1 Corinthians 6:9 and/or 1 Timothy 1:10 have being exchanged and traded for a lie(s) that so are misleading the saints.

When uninformed people read their English version bible(s), I mean read it, especially without knowing certain or specific things beforehand, like about truth(s) trade and exchanged in for lies, they then for some reason, think that, what they read is how the Bible has always and originally said it. They read verses that the church is and has been using to condemn gays when the Bible really hasnt condemned and doesn't condemn gays at all in any of those seven clobber verses

This thread will deconstruct the lies and shake the table that the discriminative myth of consensual adult homosexuality and unjust intolerance of consensual adult same sex union are standing on

I want to challenge people to fact check. With a presence of mind, reader(s) should investigate all I type, write or advance, in order to verify the facts, as I present them

As I've previously mentioned, the word "homosexuality" was not around in Biblical times and the word "homosexual" was invented in 1868

It is Karl-Maria Kertbeny, in Germany, who originally and/or previously used the word homosexual, when he coined and introduced it first, in a private letter written in 1868 to a friend, Karl Heinrich Ulrichs

Subsequently the first known appearance of the term homosexual in print appeared in an German pamphlet written by same Karl-Maria Kertbeny the following year in 1869

Another interesting to know, is that the original Greek word in the Bible (i.e. "arsenokoites'') that has now been adopted as meaning homosexual is actually a translation from the result of combining of two words "arsen" and "koites" which literally means "man and beds"

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 and 1 Timothy 1:8-11 are the only two times, in the Bible's entire history, that the word "arsenokoites" is used and seen

It would be exciting to know, why Paul, in 1 Corinthians 6:9 and 1 Timothy 1:10, when inventing this word "arsenokoites", where in his construct, he used man, in singular and then used beds, in plural. Never mind, I'll tell you why and keep you out of misery. It had to do with Paul, talking about and/or against infidelity, promiscuity, philandering, hopping from one bed to another bed, having multiple and/or casual sexual relationships, having affair(s), screwing around etcetera

Man thinks he has given a witty response. SMH. At least from this your reply, there is nowhere in the Bible nor anywhere that God condemns same sex union

"Ayama" loosely translated means "rubbish". Oga abeggy, comot for jor ojaare. Pitifully responded to and not beautifully, is more like it and what I would rather admit to. "Shebi o mọ iwe, shebi o kawe", loosely translated means "you know book now, you know how to read books now", then just keep on reading sha, and get ready to be snapped back to reality and the real world.

ThothHermes, why is it that TV01 hates answering simple easy direct straightword questions, hmm? Is until you get on his case before he will answer this now, just like he dilly dallied the other time until you pulled him to attention, erh?

I grinned too, except mine was actually a grin of disappointment at your feeble reply that's without aplomb, especially when in a demanding situation like this one

I actually literally laughed out loud at that part of your reply, that said: "it pollutes the land"

How do you mean that:"The acts are forms or worship and a gateway for demonic activity"

I asked this comedian a question about context, biblical and historical context, that is, but he ignored the question and refused to address it. No problem, that is not going to stop anything. I have given 1 Corinthians 6:9 and 1 Timothy 1:10 a mention and commented on them, so lets now start on Romans 1 too now.

As we can see, that TV01, in order to more likely obfuscate, rather than enlighten, TV01 volunteers the whole of Romans 1, as evidence, knowing fully well that Romans 1 is a book with a total of 32 verses. What a very crafty person, TV01 is behaving that way, isnt he?

Anyway, that wouldnt stop us forging on with this thread, as judging by the context of Romans 1, the evidence is there, that idolatry and with fertility gods, lust, temple sex, temple prostitution and promiscuous sex are the subject matter of the chapter. Idolatry and with fertility gods, lust, temple sex, temple prostitution and promiscuous sex matter are dealt with in that Romans 1 chapter and it really is important, to note that, all of these concerns, would be equally as sinful, whether heterosexual or homosexual in nature.

Textual context cannot be divorced entirely from biblical context, so Paul with and/or in Romans 1 chapter, was in fact, talking of those going to the fertility temples of the day, to indulge in sex orgies and some engaging in ritual sex under the guise to get divine blessings and was not anywhere in that chapter criticizing consensual SS attraction and SS relationships adults or declaring them to be wrong or evil. This fact will be shocking for some, and be too much of a bitter pill, that they can not easily swallow, even if that does occurs, it will cause them indigestion like nothing they've ever had before.

By three methods we may learn wisdom, I've heard people say. First by reflection which is noblest, second, by imitation which is simplest, third by experience which is the bitterest, so for those objecting to and/or opposing the facts, I write it off for the naysayers as a life experience and getting education.

"No Israelite, whether man or woman, may become a temple prostitute."
- Deuteronomy 23:17

There were even male shrine prostitutes in the land;
the people engaged in all the detestable practices of the nations the LORD had driven out before the Israelites.
- 1 Kings 14:24

Committed, faithful, honest, lasting life time same sex relationships have been there from time immemorial TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, jesusjnr etcetera, and Paul wasnt in Romans 1, 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 ranting about that at all, at all.

What Paul was ranting about in Romans 1, 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 was the infidelity, promiscuity and the cult practice of having sex with patrons as a form of deity worship. This custom was rampant and happened in the Old Testament in the lands before the Israelites arrived too.

We all know Leviticus 20:13 is Leviticus 18:22 and vice versa, but not all, I mean the likes of TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, jesusjnr know or realise that, Paul actually re-echoed Leviticus 20:13 and Leviticus 18:22 with 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 and know that the problem Paul was addressing with Romans 1, 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 isnt and/or wasnt about same sex relationships with fidelity but it was something else entirely different to that, which has again reared its head with the Gentile

There is this strong common thread going through Leviticus 20:13, 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 and it ties them together but it eludes the most astute. Peoples perception of this matter isnt what they think and learned it to be.

So what is happening and/or what happened in Romans 1:25-28?
Well, for your information TV01, Sheherd00, openmine, silite3 and others, Romans 1:18-32, especially verses 24, 26 & 27 is a rehash of Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, like I've probably already mentioned, but with a twist

Paul, with Romans 1:18-32, especially verses 24, 26 & 27, is echoing what happened around when Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 were given. He then added the twist (i.e. Romans 1:26b: ... [b]for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature) which is, the women too, have joined to be participants in the ongoing "detestable customs practised". It essentially was like Deja Poo The feeling that Paul has "seen" and read this crap happen before way in the Canaan-Israelites days, but now in double force.

The remedy, the first step to realign, to shake off the lies, will be, for staters, to review 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9, and look into what[/b] "malakois" and "arsenokoites" really means. I strongly advise the likes of TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, jesusjnr etcetera to do just that, instead of opting to alternatively plastering their opinions and beliefs here, as opposed the truth and real meaning of those words.

The epiphany of what the "the detestable customs that were practiced" in Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13, 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 were, will sooner or later occur, after the reviews.

It is an insufferable practice for God to bear and that's why God voiced His disapproval over the detestable custom being practised

It is the only ONE reason, that this sexual sin, that this particular sexual immorality, is condemned as committing abomination unto God
whilst other sexual sins or other sexual immoralities like, adultery in Leviticus 20:10, incest in Leviticus 20:11-14 or bestiality in Leviticus 20:15, escape the mention to be condemned as an abomination unto God or as one thing, God dislikes intensely

TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, jesusjnr etcetera, there are so many other places, in the bible about this satanic ritual, sex orgy and detestable custom being practised, a few case in points, like Deuteronomy 23:17 and 1 Kings 14:24, are mirror versions of Paul's 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 and 1 Timothy 1:10, where God, said, He so much, disliked intensely, the practice.

To those, getting very well tuned in to this frequency, there is evidence of homosexual(s), during Jesus times, building "church" for the Israelites. There is evidence of homosexual(s), during Jesus time seeking Him. There is evidence of Jesus engaging with homosexual(s) and not for a single moment minded or be bothered about that. Where is the evidence of Jesus objecting to adult consensual same sex couples having a romantic faithful caring and loving relationship until death do them apart etcetera, hmm?

[img]https://s1/images/Abomi.jpg[/img]

What you've repeatedly done is to continually make extraordinary lies, because unlike what you, TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, jesusjnr etcetera believe, God never said homosexuality and/or homosexuals per se, was or is an abomination. Shepherd00 had been regurgitating and parrotting this belief, almost all over this thread, living up to the saying, that when the cat is not about, the mouse takes it upon itself to have fun and a field day

People like TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, jesusjnr etcetera have being parrying, dodging, sidestepping questions and/or give asked questions, a wide berth. None of them seems able nor capable to respond. They each and all act, in an evasive ways, when explicitly and clearly, asked, easy, simple, sensible, straightforward and direct pointed questions, like about,
1/ Why did God say "homosexuality" is an abomination?
2/ What is the reason why God found allegely "homosexuality" detestable?
3/ What is detestable about adult consensual same sex couples having a romantic faithful caring and loving relationship until death do them apart etcetera?

All and each questions of the three above questions should have been given outright answers, which could be: respond with details, respond with yes, no or I dont know, but what do we see, read or get as responses? Nada, nothing or at worst just proof-texting and doing gra-gra upadan the forum like TV01 and Shepherd00 do. They dont know it is the same historical reason, background and circumstances why God in Leviticus 19:28, was against tatooing, but like in a classic and typical sheeple style and way, hook line and sinker, just believe that, tatooing per se, is a sin. SMH.

Posters like TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, jesusjnr etcetera like dropping words, like "perversion" and/or "abomination" to sound big, but asking them why and how "homosexuality" is wicked, is an abomination, is perversion, becomes inexplicably for them to do or answer

They fancifully just drop and use the word "abomination", like as if they're well informed to know the context of how the word originally was used, when in actual fact dont u,nderstand and know.

Well, this thread is already long as it is, so that is why, I have just ordinarily pasted and left the above screenshot there, just for TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, jesusjnr etcetera, to stare at and be scratching their heads at too. Anyone interested in wanting to know more on it, should just holler, because even if you know a thousand things, the right is, to ask the man who knows, the one thing you don't know about

There is a lot more in this tank, I still havent scratched the surface, I havent delved into this thing and matter properly at all, all because Shepherd00 finds long posts to be dizzying. Besides, the portal had alreadt auto warned me that this post is too long, thus making me adjust and reduce it. Posters like Ranchhoddas, God bless him, for snapping at me with his interjecting caustic and irritable comments, that just humbles me. "Ni ile aiye, ka sha ma shey daada" loosely translated means "lets just be doing and saying good in this world we are living in" Though I still love you Ranchhoddas, I should be taking back that earlier given "oti sewọn" chilled cold bottle of orijin and a truckload of kolanuts.

My hands are tied for now to continue and go on. I will return whatever serve TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, etcetera brings and possibly might even up the ante a bit. You know maybe, go into the deep end, to increase what is at stake or widen the scope under discussion. So if you dont know how to swim or dont have a life-jacket, just stay on the thread, only be reading and not comment or contribute like sensible jesusjnr, solite3 and others like him do.

[img]https://s1/images/MuttWipesHandSmile.gif[/img]
Watch some people, like TV01 and Shepherd00, in particular, are just a glutton for punishment,
so look out for them, as they gung-ho come back, and get punished more for their gluttony
cc Goshen360, elated177, Image123, jesusjnr, luvmijeje, budaatum, Ranchhoddas, ThothHermes, VBCampaign, Michellekabod2, Baddiezz, Agrogbeide, TV01, Shepherd00, kkins25, fykes, EmperorHarry, Heathen777, Ubenedictus, FOLYKAZE, Paraltero, alBHAGDADI, Maestro21, shadeyinka, HappyPagan, ujnwachukwu, openmine, solite3

What nonsense is this Muttleylaff? Is this a ploy to make me not respond to you?
Lawd I detest tricksters.

MuttleyLaff:
I did warn you yesterday, it was going to be long, and I have apologised to you just now in my postscript above, for it being long.

I would advise you bookmark it, and read the three sections, carefully and thoughtfully during your break and in privacy, without any distractions

Extraodinary lies requires an extraordinary long reply, dont you agree.

And yet promised to respond to me separately.


Extra ordinary lies? Have you read what you have posted in this thread so far?

Oh, God man. I use to take you seriously. You dey fall my hand bad.

You pick scriptures that have no bearing with homosexuality and try to force it on them, and you call explicit and clear scriptures lies?

openmine:
Firstly,you made out too many words without even using scriptures to substantiate your claims!
For instance,You said God likes homosexual acts but you never provided scriptures to show where he does or where he allows such...rather you are trying to prove fruitlessly why the scriptures provided by others are invalid when in fact they are more than explicit for one to see no matter the analogy that you involve!
You said God loves homosexual acts right? Provide Scriptures please!
You said God has never had any objection to the homosexuality act (which i consider insult to the most high God who created a man and woman for a purpose) but let me allow you prove with scriptures!

On this again, I agree.

openmine:
Yet again i took my time to go through your posts though long....
However,I believe the scriptures both old and new are explicit about the acts
It doesn't matter when the word homosexual was coined out
when a man is intimate sexually with a man as he would do to a woman,he is in the present engaging in homosexual acts!

Leviticus 20:13 The Message (MSG)
13 “If a man has sex with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is abhorrent. They must be put to death; they are responsible for their own deaths.


I could bring up different translation for this verse,however,what makes this scripture very clear and direct is the fact that such acts are unnatural and shameful before God!

Bro,you only countered their scriptures which to me wasn't good enough to justify the homosexual acts,however,its your reponsibility as an advocate of homosexuality to show with scriptures where homosexuality is permitted by God!

God through paul said its unnatural and shameful,you think and believe otherwise...now show with scriptures that God permits the act of "men having sex with men"!

I will go with @openmine and wait for MuttleyLaff to bring up Scriptures that permits men having sex with men.

MuttleyLaff:
PART 3 CONTINUED FROM ABOVE. I HAD TO SPLIT INTO 3 PARTS, AS WAS TOLD POST IS TOO LONG

OK, TV01, Shepherd00 and maybe openmine as well, now, the $64,000 question is, stating clearly and in detail, leaving no room for confusion or doubt, what correctly, in Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, is the committed abomination that was being done before God, hmm?
(i.e. what correctly and pato, in Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, is the thing that was done, that God hates and/or detests?)

None of you guys, not even bigshot TV01, with all that his big chutzpah, ever answers those question(s)

There is nothing bogus in my purview, but what is bogus, is the deception and lies you learned and strongly come to believe.

How you've given in to the false appearance(s) from the genuine and the false impression different to the true meaning of the text and words in Romans 1:26-27, 1 Corinthians 6:9 and/or 1 Timothy 1:10. The truth about the text and words, in Romans 1:26-27, 1 Corinthians 6:9 and/or 1 Timothy 1:10 have being exchanged and traded for a lie(s) that so are misleading the saints.

When uninformed people read their English version bible(s), I mean read it, especially without knowing certain or specific things beforehand, like about truth(s) trade and exchanged in for lies, they then for some reason, think that, what they read is how the Bible has always and originally said it. They read verses that the church is and has been using to condemn gays when the Bible really hasnt condemned and doesn't condemn gays at all in any of those seven clobber verses

This thread will deconstruct the lies and shake the table that the discriminative myth of consensual adult homosexuality and unjust intolerance of consensual adult same sex union are standing on

I want to challenge people to fact check. With a presence of mind, reader(s) should investigate all I type, write or advance, in order to verify the facts, as I present them

As I've previously mentioned, the word "homosexuality" was not around in Biblical times and the word "homosexual" was invented in 1868

It is Karl-Maria Kertbeny, in Germany, who originally and/or previously used the word homosexual, when he coined and introduced it first, in a private letter written in 1868 to a friend, Karl Heinrich Ulrichs

Subsequently the first known appearance of the term homosexual in print appeared in an German pamphlet written by same Karl-Maria Kertbeny the following year in 1869

Another interesting to know, is that the original Greek word in the Bible (i.e. "arsenokoites'') that has now been adopted as meaning homosexual is actually a translation from the result of combining of two words "arsen" and "koites" which literally means "man and beds"

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 and 1 Timothy 1:8-11 are the only two times, in the Bible's entire history, that the word "arsenokoites" is used and seen

It would be exciting to know, why Paul, in 1 Corinthians 6:9 and 1 Timothy 1:10, when inventing this word "arsenokoites", where in his construct, he used man, in singular and then used beds, in plural. Never mind, I'll tell you why and keep you out of misery. It had to do with Paul, talking about and/or against infidelity, promiscuity, philandering, hopping from one bed to another bed, having multiple and/or casual sexual relationships, having affair(s), screwing around etcetera

Man thinks he has given a witty response. SMH. At least from this your reply, there is nowhere in the Bible nor anywhere that God condemns same sex union

"Ayama" loosely translated means "rubbish". Oga abeggy, comot for jor ojaare. Pitifully responded to and not beautifully, is more like it and what I would rather admit to. "Shebi o mọ iwe, shebi o kawe", loosely translated means "you know book now, you know how to read books now", then just keep on reading sha, and get ready to be snapped back to reality and the real world.

ThothHermes, why is it that TV01 hates answering simple easy direct straightword questions, hmm? Is until you get on his case before he will answer this now, just like he dilly dallied the other time until you pulled him to attention, erh?

I grinned too, except mine was actually a grin of disappointment at your feeble reply that's without aplomb, especially when in a demanding situation like this one

I actually literally laughed out loud at that part of your reply, that said: "it pollutes the land"

How do you mean that:"The acts are forms or worship and a gateway for demonic activity"

I asked this comedian a question about context, biblical and historical context, that is, but he ignored the question and refused to address it. No problem, that is not going to stop anything. I have given 1 Corinthians 6:9 and 1 Timothy 1:10 a mention and commented on them, so lets now start on Romans 1 too now.

As we can see, that TV01, in order to more likely obfuscate, rather than enlighten, TV01 volunteers the whole of Romans 1, as evidence, knowing fully well that Romans 1 is a book with a total of 32 verses. What a very crafty person, TV01 is behaving that way, isnt he?

Anyway, that wouldnt stop us forging on with this thread, as judging by the context of Romans 1, the evidence is there, that idolatry and with fertility gods, lust, temple sex, temple prostitution and promiscuous sex are the subject matter of the chapter. Idolatry and with fertility gods, lust, temple sex, temple prostitution and promiscuous sex matter are dealt with in that Romans 1 chapter and it really is important, to note that, all of these concerns, would be equally as sinful, whether heterosexual or homosexual in nature.

Textual context cannot be divorced entirely from biblical context, so Paul with and/or in Romans 1 chapter, was in fact, talking of those going to the fertility temples of the day, to indulge in sex orgies and some engaging in ritual sex under the guise to get divine blessings and was not anywhere in that chapter criticizing consensual SS attraction and SS relationships adults or declaring them to be wrong or evil. This fact will be shocking for some, and be too much of a bitter pill, that they can not easily swallow, even if that does occurs, it will cause them indigestion like nothing they've ever had before.

By three methods we may learn wisdom, I've heard people say. First by reflection which is noblest, second, by imitation which is simplest, third by experience which is the bitterest, so for those objecting to and/or opposing the facts, I write it off for the naysayers as a life experience and getting education.

"No Israelite, whether man or woman, may become a temple prostitute."
- Deuteronomy 23:17

There were even male shrine prostitutes in the land;
the people engaged in all the detestable practices of the nations the LORD had driven out before the Israelites.
- 1 Kings 14:24

Committed, faithful, honest, lasting life time same sex relationships have been there from time immemorial TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, jesusjnr etcetera, and Paul wasnt in Romans 1, 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 ranting about that at all, at all.

What Paul was ranting about in Romans 1, 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 was the infidelity, promiscuity and the cult practice of having sex with patrons as a form of deity worship. This custom was rampant and happened in the Old Testament in the lands before the Israelites arrived too.

We all know Leviticus 20:13 is Leviticus 18:22 and vice versa, but not all, I mean the likes of TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, jesusjnr know or realise that, Paul actually re-echoed Leviticus 20:13 and Leviticus 18:22 with 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 and know that the problem Paul was addressing with Romans 1, 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 isnt and/or wasnt about same sex relationships with fidelity but it was something else entirely different to that, which has again reared its head with the Gentile

There is this strong common thread going through Leviticus 20:13, 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 and it ties them together but it eludes the most astute. Peoples perception of this matter isnt what they think and learned it to be.

So what is happening and/or what happened in Romans 1:25-28?
Well, for your information TV01, Sheherd00, openmine, silite3 and others, Romans 1:18-32, especially verses 24, 26 & 27 is a rehash of Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, like I've probably already mentioned, but with a twist

Paul, with Romans 1:18-32, especially verses 24, 26 & 27, is echoing what happened around when Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 were given. He then added the twist (i.e. Romans 1:26b: ... [b]for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature) which is, the women too, have joined to be participants in the ongoing "detestable customs practised". It essentially was like Deja Poo The feeling that Paul has "seen" and read this crap happen before way in the Canaan-Israelites days, but now in double force.

The remedy, the first step to realign, to shake off the lies, will be, for staters, to review 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9, and look into what[/b] "malakois" and "arsenokoites" really means. I strongly advise the likes of TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, jesusjnr etcetera to do just that, instead of opting to alternatively plastering their opinions and beliefs here, as opposed the truth and real meaning of those words.

The epiphany of what the "the detestable customs that were practiced" in Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13, 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 were, will sooner or later occur, after the reviews.

It is an insufferable practice for God to bear and that's why God voiced His disapproval over the detestable custom being practised

It is the only ONE reason, that this sexual sin, that this particular sexual immorality, is condemned as committing abomination unto God
whilst other sexual sins or other sexual immoralities like, adultery in Leviticus 20:10, incest in Leviticus 20:11-14 or bestiality in Leviticus 20:15, escape the mention to be condemned as an abomination unto God or as one thing, God dislikes intensely

TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, jesusjnr etcetera, there are so many other places, in the bible about this satanic ritual, sex orgy and detestable custom being practised, a few case in points, like Deuteronomy 23:17 and 1 Kings 14:24, are mirror versions of Paul's 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 and 1 Timothy 1:10, where God, said, He so much, disliked intensely, the practice.

To those, getting very well tuned in to this frequency, there is evidence of homosexual(s), during Jesus times, building "church" for the Israelites. There is evidence of homosexual(s), during Jesus time seeking Him. There is evidence of Jesus engaging with homosexual(s) and not for a single moment minded or be bothered about that. Where is the evidence of Jesus objecting to adult consensual same sex couples having a romantic faithful caring and loving relationship until death do them apart etcetera, hmm?

[img]https://s1/images/Abomi.jpg[/img]

What you've repeatedly done is to continually make extraordinary lies, because unlike what you, TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, jesusjnr etcetera believe, God never said homosexuality and/or homosexuals per se, was or is an abomination. Shepherd00 had been regurgitating and parrotting this belief, almost all over this thread, living up to the saying, that when the cat is not about, the mouse takes it upon itself to have fun and a field day

People like TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, jesusjnr etcetera have being parrying, dodging, sidestepping questions and/or give asked questions, a wide berth. None of them seems able nor capable to respond. They each and all act, in an evasive ways, when explicitly and clearly, asked, easy, simple, sensible, straightforward and direct pointed questions, like about,
1/ Why did God say "homosexuality" is an abomination?
2/ What is the reason why God found allegely "homosexuality" detestable?
3/ What is detestable about adult consensual same sex couples having a romantic faithful caring and loving relationship until death do them apart etcetera?

All and each questions of the three above questions should have been given outright answers, which could be: respond with details, respond with yes, no or I dont know, but what do we see, read or get as responses? Nada, nothing or at worst just proof-texting and doing gra-gra upadan the forum like TV01 and Shepherd00 do. They dont know it is the same historical reason, background and circumstances why God in Leviticus 19:28, was against tatooing, but like in a classic and typical sheeple style and way, hook line and sinker, just believe that, tatooing per se, is a sin. SMH.

Posters like TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, jesusjnr etcetera like dropping words, like "perversion" and/or "abomination" to sound big, but asking them why and how "homosexuality" is wicked, is an abomination, is perversion, becomes inexplicably for them to do or answer

They fancifully just drop and use the word "abomination", like as if they're well informed to know the context of how the word originally was used, when in actual fact dont u,nderstand and know.

Well, this thread is already long as it is, so that is why, I have just ordinarily pasted and left the above screenshot there, just for TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, jesusjnr etcetera, to stare at and be scratching their heads at too. Anyone interested in wanting to know more on it, should just holler, because even if you know a thousand things, the right is, to ask the man who knows, the one thing you don't know about

There is a lot more in this tank, I still havent scratched the surface, I havent delved into this thing and matter properly at all, all because Shepherd00 finds long posts to be dizzying. Besides, the portal had alreadt auto warned me that this post is too long, thus making me adjust and reduce it. Posters like Ranchhoddas, God bless him, for snapping at me with his interjecting caustic and irritable comments, that just humbles me. "Ni ile aiye, ka sha ma shey daada" loosely translated means "lets just be doing and saying good in this world we are living in" Though I still love you Ranchhoddas, I should be taking back that earlier given "oti sewọn" chilled cold bottle of orijin and a truckload of kolanuts.

My hands are tied for now to continue and go on. I will return whatever serve TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, etcetera brings and possibly might even up the ante a bit. You know maybe, go into the deep end, to increase what is at stake or widen the scope under discussion. So if you dont know how to swim or dont have a life-jacket, just stay on the thread, only be reading and not comment or contribute like sensible jesusjnr, solite3 and others like him do.

[img]https://s1/images/MuttWipesHandSmile.gif[/img]
Watch some people, like TV01 and Shepherd00, in particular, are just a glutton for punishment,
so look out for them, as they gung-ho come back, and get punished more for their gluttony
cc Goshen360, elated177, Image123, jesusjnr, luvmijeje, budaatum, Ranchhoddas, ThothHermes, VBCampaign, Michellekabod2, Baddiezz, Agrogbeide, TV01, Shepherd00, kkins25, fykes, EmperorHarry, Heathen777, Ubenedictus, FOLYKAZE, Paraltero, alBHAGDADI, Maestro21, shadeyinka, HappyPagan, ujnwachukwu, openmine, solite3

This post is too long

newmanadrian:
This is commemorative edition in which each zone has the picture of the zonal pastor in front of the rhapsody to be distributed in that zone.

Yes, in my area it's pastor Joy.

LordReed:
So unwittingly yes?

What is unwittingly?

tintingz:
You're beginning to grasp at straws.

I've answered you, now answer my question, before I was created did God knows my end and in details?

We will get to that. I need you to state categorically that Jesus is responsible for your lies, that He makes you steal and cheat.
He is responsible for your fornication and all the lusts in your heart.

When you answer me, we'll move to your question

LordReed:
So you do not sin?

No. Deliberately No.

tintingz:
God is responsible for everything.

He is responsible for your fornication, stealing and you insult on Him?

ArticleBeast:
I have lost count of the ladies and men that have graced ROR cover page.

Dey tin taya me no be small.

crackhaus:
They know their positions.

Trouble maker. lolzz

crackhaus:
Every man's dream is to see his wife and side-chick get along so well and live together in harmony

God bless you both for me.

In other words 'Mindfulness is your wife while merahki is your side chick?'