₦airaland Forum

joe4christ: Pls just let them be, they've chosen their path, they believe they are on the right path so we too believe same, every man will answer for himself, ii only got into this thread to ask just two question of which they did'nt answer, so i rest my case, those whom the lord has chosen unto his own fold cannot be lost, they will still find their way to his fold. Just release the word and let the spirit do the convincing.

Very good. I like your open-mindedness and the attitude of giving other people their own psychic space, thereby allowing them to exercise their God-given freedom of decision-making!

Believe it or not, Crossbearers are also 'for Christ' , however, we strive to follow the true teachings of Christ (see my comments in a previous posting on this thread below):

Crossbearers cannot be said to be Christians in the 'orthodox' sense (i.e. the way Christianity is seen and practised today) but they are followers of Christ in that they believe in the true teachings of Christ and strive to live accordingly.
So, the question is what constitutes the true teachings of Christ as opposed to the teachings of men in the Name of Christ? There is a huge difference between the two and in this lies the difference between Crossbearers and so-called religionists who call themselves Christians.
The true teachings of Christ have only to do with understanding the Laws of Creation and adjusting one's deeds (thoughts, words and actions) to conform to these Laws. On the other hand, the teachings of men in the name of Christ seek to emphasise 'blind faith' devoid of inner conviction or any sense of responsibility for man's deeds in Creation. Hence, the believers are told that their sins have all been washed away....!

Regarding the two questions you posed:
1.) Certainly, Hell, Demons, Phantoms, etc, do exist but they are all manifestations of the works of man. By 'works' I am referring to man's volitions, thoughts, words and actions. In summary, these deeds of man take on living forms in the beyond which continue to exist and await the sower of the seeds to partake in the fruits of his sowing.
- The Devil as personified by Lucifer also exists and so do the 'works' of Lucifer and his minions as exemplified by the 'Darkness' and its evil manifestations on earth and in the beyond.
- Heaven, Paradise and the Light regions are also in existence and they form the abode of the Blessed Ones who have no need to descend into the World of Matter for experiencing and maturing but are able to live consciously in conformity with the Will of the Almighty in the higher eternal realms. Human spirits who attain the requisite spiritual maturity through experiencing in the World of Matter are also able to ascend to the eternal light regions, specifically, Paradise.

2.) Again, the concept of Reincarnation as a fact of life is confirmed by the Grail Message and the laws governing this are clearly explained in several passages of the lectures in the Grail Message.

Personally, I do not believe that a public forum such as this is the right place for giving the detailed explanations that you requested. If you are truly seeking to broaden your perceptions as well as deepen your knowledge and understanding of the spiritual principles governing the entire Creation, it is best to get yourself a copy of the Grail Message which is available through the following link:

http://shop.alexander-bernhardt.com/index.php?page=index&x77939=58f99d88e6872183e45812ca030f34dc

Best wishes.

plaetton: We see in the bible that each time there was a transgression of Yahweh's commandments, appropriate punishment and restitution had to be made to balance the books.
That is the law of nature. The books always have to be balanced.

A thief has absolutely no right to the boon of forgiveness unless he returns all that he has stolen and submits himself for punishment according to the laws of the land.
Same goes for every sin and every crime.

Kneeling down in supplication and asking for blanket forgiveness without punishment and restitution is a waste of time, a delusion,

Just like to make a little contribution to this discussion. To be fair, plaetton did talk about 'punishment and restitution' not just punishment alone as can be seen in bold above. He also made mention of the word 'recompense' somewhere in this thread. What is important to note is that punishment, restitution, recompense, etc, do not have to entail suffering or some painful experiencing in order to mitigate or even completely redeem a wrongdoing or an evil deed. I will try to explain this briefly.

One of the principal Laws that operate in Creation is the Law of Reciprocal Action (i.e. what a man sows, that shall he reap). Another important Law governing Creation is the Law of Homogeneity i.e. birds of a feather flock together, like attracts like, etc). Whenever man exercises his will for good or evil, he sows something into Creation and this sowing must bear fruit of the same kind as what was sown (good or evil). So all of man's deeds (i.e. his thoughts, words and actions) bear corresponding fruits which pile together through attraction (homogeneity) and await the sower to partake of the fruit of his sowing. At an appropriate time either here in the present earthlife or in the beyond, the individual who put those seeds into Creation will be confronted with the fruits of what he had sown.
However, it can so happen that an individual has piled up so much goodness for himself through his good deeds that this completely outweighs the few wrongdoings that he may have done. In such a case, the goodness may considerably mitigate, lessen or even completely wipe off the evil fruit that may be returning to him as the consequence of some past wrongdoing. This sometimes manifests in situations where someone's head should have been cut off but he escapes with only his cap being removed. This is referred to as 'symbolic redemption' of a wrongdoing. One can also call it Forgiveness of sin in that the individual has not received the full measure of what he deserved through his former misdeed. It can also be said that he earned the forgiveness for himself by his actions which means that access to Forgiveness of sin is already built into the Laws governing Creation. To put it simply, if you want to mitigate the impact of the consequences of your misdeeds, employ the 'power of good volition' as this serves to build up a buffer of goodness for you which may serve you in good stead when most needed. Biblically, we are admonished to: 'Sow seeds on earth the fruits of which will ripen for you in heaven' or words to that effect.

Having noted the above let me also say that besides what is obtainable through the normal effect and interplay of the Laws as described above, additional Help from the Light can also be received (tantamount to Forgiveness) through a special Act of Will of the Light but this can only come about as consequence of a truly fervent prayer, of a request that arises from conviction of the Omnipotence and Love of God!

Sometimes, genuine intercession may also bring the effect of such a help, particularly when the one needing help has fallen seriously ill and is inwardly weak, apathetic and completely neutral. This neutral state of his spirit allows the Power of the Light, which can be chanelled by genuine intercession, to enter. And so it happens that a person may sometimes also receive help (forgiveness) through intercession !

Hope the above is of some help.

noteasy: @ shinealight;

I have written for long and have not heard from anyone. I wil like to challenge you.

Hello Noteasy. You appear eager or even desperate to engage in a battle of wits to prove some point or to establish the superiority of the knowledge you think you already possess. This is precisely why personally I do not feel inclined to enter into any such debate with you.
Not because I am afraid of anything but simply because that is not my avowed goal.

I am interested in engaging with genuine 'Seekers for Truth' and not those who believe they have already found what they are looking for on the path they already follow. In short, I am not here to convert anybody or to sway anyone from the path they are already convinced is the right path for them. I do not want to take away what you already possess from you - that would not be right! However, if there are issues on the path you already follow which give you cause for concern or worry and for which you are seeking clarification or enlightenment, then it would make sense to dialogue and to exchange perceptions which can help both of us further along the path of spiritual maturing.

So, my advice is for you not to seek to 'challenge' anybody (as it is not a battle to be fought or won) but to continue striving to deepen your knowledge albeit with an open mind, for there are things in this Creation about which you may yet find that you know very little or nothing at all. Please take note that nobody claims to know it all but we are ALL still engaged in spiritual maturing which is a continuous process!

I hope the above is of some help.
Best wishes.

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hazyfm: If truly you are Christians, then Why don't your followers pray in Jesus Name?

Crossbearers cannot be said to be Christians in the 'orthodox' sense (i.e. the way Christianity is seen and practised today) but they are followers of Christ in that they believe in the true teachings of Christ and strive to live accordingly.
So, the question is what constitutes the true teachings of Christ as opposed to the teachings of men in the Name of Christ? There is a huge difference between the two and in this lies the difference between Crossbearers and so-called religionists who call themselves Christians. The true teachings of Christ have only to do with understanding the Laws of Creation and adjusting one's deeds (thoughts, words and actions) to conform to these Laws. On the other hand, the teachings of men in the name of Christ seek to emphasise 'blind faith' devoid of inner conviction or any sense of responsibility for man's deeds in Creation. Hence, the believers are told that their sins have all been washed away....!

On the issue of praying, what determines the efficacy of Prayer is the purity of your volition as well as the degree of humility that relates to it. An 'impure' prayer or one that is an 'egoistic demand' on the Creator is highly unlikely to rise to that level where it can attract the necessary Power to get heard and thereby achieve the desired result, no matter whose name one shouts when sending such a sacrilegious prayer. On the contrary, it can even attract a response from the Darkness by virtue of the Law of Homogeneity!

If we would be honest with ourselves, we would readily admit the fact that regardless of the faith one professes, be it Islam, Buddhism, Zoroastrianism, Judaism, etc, prayers from ALL believers in the Creator do get heard or answered. Hence there must be some basic pre-requisites which apply to all believers who 'ask, seek or knock' in the right way and manner.

A pure and humble prayer which is deeply felt inwardly (heartfelt) and sent up in earnestness to the Almighty Creator is what is needed for the required blessing to be granted. All the forces of Light would help to make it happen whenever man is able to meet those conditions. However, this is no longer so easy for man of today to achieve due to the intrusion of his intellect which tends to make his prayers impure and unworthy!
Best wishes.

@ Justcool

What should we really understand by so-called free-will? You and I know that man on earth cannot be said to have 'free will' because after the first incarnation our 'will' has been burdened and can no longer be described as 'free'. Hence most of us pass over and return with a will burdened with karma which can no longer be described as 'free will'.
Man can be correctly described as possessing the 'freedom to exercise his will, his volition' and he is thereby subject to the consequences of his deeds (good or bad) according to the Law of Reciprocal Action. So, quite rightly, human beings are said to be endowed with the ability to exercise own 'will', that is, they can chart their own course but must learn to adjust/adapt this will to conform with the Will of the Almighty otherwise they go astray and head towards damnation.

Now the question is: What is the case with substantiate or elemental beings? We know that they involuntarily swing in accordance with the Will of the Alimighty, but is this because they do not have a will of their own (just like automatons or drones) or is it because they involuntarily adjust their own will to that of the Light in view of the pressure under which they work and the fact of their working under a 'hierarchy of higher beings' whom they are obliged to obey at all times unlike human spirits? In short, do they have their own will (albeit dull, feeble or submissive), the exercise of which they continually improve upon (to become more and more proficient in carrying out the Will of the Almighty) as they develop in Creation from unconscious to conscious beings?
These are the pertinent questions that one seeks to have clarified.
Regards.

justcool: It is my perception that the spirit-spark is just a seed filled with potential of becoming a human spirit. After its decent into matter, whatever condition it finds itself, either male or female, can only be directly traced to it’s free-will; it can only be a consequence of a decision it once made.

Like I said earlier, I will not dispute or approve the texts you quoted; I have my perception of them but I don’t perceive I should share them. I only provided verses of the Grail message concerning the issue, and shared my perception of the verses. If you can reconcile those writings from esteemed cross-bearers with the Grail message, then hold on to them; perhaps they may help you advance. If not, then the choice is yours whether to hold on to them or reject them. The decision is solely yours.

What’s beneficial for one may be harmful to another. I know of only one thing that is beneficial for all – The Grail message. Hence I will treat only verses from It.

Hello Justcool. As always, thanks for sharing the insights above. Indeed, that is all we can do - share our insights/perceptions, among crossbearers and seekers alike. In fact, when properly considered, we are all 'Seekers' and will continue to progress in our seeking with the help of the Grail Message, the knowledge of which is inexhaustible for the human spirit!

I also wish to note that I share your stated 'initial volition on Nairaland' to lead seekers to the Light through sharing perceptions on the statements contained in Grail Message. In this regard, I wish to provide the following as my little contribution towards unravelling the apparent riddle posed by Speer's question concerning the point at which the spirit germs made the choice that led to their male/female forms.

In the lecture Woman and Man (Vol III/28), the following can be found:
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"....In this also the first resolution of the spirit-germ is decisive and fundamental for its whole existence; this resolution, however, is not made consciously but lies only in an inner, awakening urge! If this urge leads to a more delicate activity, then the existence of the spirit-germ is determined to be of a female kind; for thereby it keeps or holds a part of the higher Substantiality from which it severs or splits itself off. If it is inclined towards the coarser, active or positive working, then gradually the delicate and finer part of the higher Substantiality entirely severs itself and stays behind; in fact it is automatically cast off, so that for such a spirit-germ the masculine nature has therewith been determined as fundamental.

Thus right at the beginning the guarantee of the one-time free resolution, which is called the free volition, is fulfilled for the spiritual also here."
Unquote.

Each reader will need to come to his/her conclusion through his/her own effort on this. In doing so, one needs to clarify the following for oneself:
- the above passage says the 'first resolution' is not made consciously, but the spirit-germs had already
attained consciousness at the topmost part of the Ethereal (See Lecture: Spirit-Germs). So, the resolution must have
been made before they got to the Ethereal, while still in an unconscious state? Was this in the Spiritual before
their descent into the Substantiate region?
- What is this 'inner urge'? Is it synonymous with conscious activity or is the inner urge guiding and impelling in a particular direction?
- what is meant by 'a resolution made unconsciously which lies in an inner, awakening urge'? Is the resolution
synonymous with the 'inner, awakening urge'?
- what could be responsible for this awakening urge? Is it something innate and latent? A kind of predisposition?
- what is meant by 'guarantee of the one-time free resolution and free volition of the spiritual? Why one-time?
Can 'free' volition be guaranteed for the spirit-germ once it has entered the World of Matter with all the
forces at play therein?

Many more questions could be asked to unravel the total import of the quoted passage. However, I believe that by the time the reader has addressed the above questions conscientiously for himself, s/he would have arrived at a conclusion which can form the basis of an understanding which may subsequently lead to 'conviction' on the subject.
Regards.

@drillskillz!

@Justcool

Hello Justcool. On the topic relating to the spirit sparks/spirit-germs, I thought I should share some perceptions with you which might engender further reflection. This perception is from a source which many crossbearers consider highly sacrosanct but not necessarily infallible.
Here it goes:

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"...It is from the final precipitation of spiritual radiation that the spirit sparks, which can
also be called spirit seed grains, sever themselves. On the plane on which they come
into existence these spirit seed grains cannot attain consciousness, nor can a longing
arise out of their volition. As spirit seed grains, however, they already carry within
themselves a predisposition which, based on a partial similarity, assigns them to one of
the first four Primordially Created Ones, and in addition they carry within themselves
some other characteristics. They also come into being as split parts of a spiritual
splitting of a species and therefore carry a disposition to female passive i.e. negative
activity or to male active i.e. positive activity. In the different levels of their
development in matter there awakens in them the desire to activate their female or
male disposition and with that to get to know their own species. The spirit seed grains
are also characterised by a specific colour and its vibrations. This disposition expresses
itself in the coarse gross matter of this earth as a belonging to a particular race."
Unquote

There is much more that can be shared on this subject than is possible to post here. I can be reached if need be.
Regards.

justcool: ... Mine, also remain only my perception which, in no way do I force or intimidate people into accepting.

Justcool, you can be rest assured that is totally impossible from the outset. I am simply too strong-willed for that!

justcool: I will share my perception on the other verse you quoted from the writings of crossbearer. I have this question to ask: Was that originally written in English? Or was it translated from another language? While I can sense what the writer was expressing, I cant help but think that the choice of words is poor.

I also noted the same thing in going through the book. The author is a lady whose mother tongue is not English, that perhaps explains the wrong choice of words in quite a few places. Nevertheless, she managed to get her points across!

@ Justcool

Good point Justcool. Let me just say that I do not disagree 'completely' with what you have written as it makes a lot of sense. Also, I do not think that a predisposition towards active/passive or positive/negative immediately after Parzival already presupposes 'bisection' nor does it suggest that the spirit-germ is not sexless as stated in the passage you cited. My understanding is that a predisposition is a disposition which remains latent until it is activated through conscious activity or otherwise.

For me, it is quite logical because if the Radiation emanating from Parzival is already split into positive or negative, then every being (spiritual or substantiate) that takes on form thereafter must already have a predisposition as it must have originated from either the positive stream or the negative stream of the Radiation. So, all the way down to the spirit-seed or spirit-spark, they must have that latent predisposition in their inner core, a sort of DNA, so to speak. However, when they begin conscious activity they may then be drawn more emphatically towards positive or negative vibrations which would either conform with their original predisposition or be out of sync with it.

However, if you do not agree with this perception, then let us take it as one of those topics (such as the Millennium) about which crossbearers have divergent views. No doubt M_Nwankwo would also have his own perception on this but don't know if he will care to share it!
Regards.

justcool: Hi shinealight

... It is my perception that at the beginning the spirit germ is neither male nor female, but carries but ability slumbering within it. Hence each spirit grain carries a part of substantiality slumbering within it. Only as it awakens to activity as it journeys down from Paradise does it become polarized? In any matter regarding the spirit, the spirit is never forced, but has to follow the road it choses. Only when it has made a decision is it unavoidably bound to the consequence of its decision. Hence the decision is never predetermined, only the consequence.

Hence on awakening during its decent from Paradise, the sexless or un-polarized spirit-germ either inclines towards delicate activity or towards coarse activity. This starts at first with an unconscious desire; this desire is already enough to set processes in motion.

Hello Justcool. Thanks for sharing. The perception you expressed above is in agreement with the view that most of us hold. However, I would like to draw your attention to the following passage from the lecture "Sex" in the Grail Message for further consideration, if deemed appropriate. Here it goes:
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"...That which is positive shapes the male form, and that which is negative the female form. Here male and female are already outwardly recognisable through their forms. Each in its forms is the expression of the nature of the activity which it chooses or desires. In the beginning these desires are really only the expression of the actual nature of the spirit-germ in question, either negative or positive." Unquote

The bolded part seems to support the perception of some people that the polarization already took place with the splitting of the Radiation after Parzival and that from that point, everything in Creation was already predisposed to be active or passive. Hence, even the spirit-germs already had that predisposition in Paradise before their descent into the World of Matter. That was why I asked the question whether any subsequent decision that is contrary to that original predisposition would give rise to a 'distortion'. Anyway, there may be no need to belabour the issue any further but it is a perception that many hold which may be worth looking at.
Regards.

@ All

On this question of Beings and the will, the Grail Message states as follows in the lecture "The Little Elemental Beings":
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" These groups about which I speak to you today also belong to the little elementals. But you must not forget that every tiniest one of them is immensely important and more reliable in its activity than a human spirit.

They carry out the work assigned to them with an accuracy so great that you cannot even imagine it, because even the apparently most insignificant of the elementals is one with the whole and therefore through it also works the power of the whole, behind which stands the one Will furthering, strengthening, protecting and leading: the Will of God!

It is like this throughout the whole of the realms where “beings” are active, and it could and should also have been the same long ago with you, the spirits of Subsequent Creation which have developed to ego-consciousness.

This firmly-established connection automatically ensures that, should any one of these elementals fail in some way or other, it is immediately expelled by the pressure of the whole and thus remains cut off. It would then wither away because the power no longer flows to it.

All that is weak is quickly shaken off in this way and does not even have a chance to become harmful."
Unquote.

The above passage speaks about the following attributes:
- 'reliability' in their activity compared to human spirits;
- 'accuracy' so great that you cannot even imagine it;
- possibility of 'failing' in some way or other;
- some are 'weaker' than others which could potentially cause harm or disruption to their joint activity.

With the above attributes, it is difficult to see 'beings' as complete 'automatons' or 'drones' without any will of their own whatsoever, even if only feeble!

justcool: @Deep sight!



Wow!!!!! I cant believe the above came from a non cross-bearer! Deepsight, do you know what you just said with a few lines? Your knowledge is definitely growing; and despite the fact that at the moment you don't accept the Grail message as the ultimate Truth, I see a very strong and clarified cross-bearer emerging from you one day.

A big Kudos to you!! I will expand on what you just said later.

Wow indeed!!! I was quite surprised myself to see that coming from Deep Sight. I think he is inwardly more amenable to the Grail Message than it appears on the surface - he definitely knows more about it than the average seeker. I also echo the Kudos!

Follow up question: If an entity submits his will to a Higher Will or Order, is it the same as saying he has no will of his own? Wouldn't it be more correct to say he has no self-will or not self-seeking? As in the analogy of the Architect given above, don't the beings have a measure of freedom of action within the limits of the Laws of Creation which they involuntarily obey?
Cheers!

@ All

On this topic of free-will I came across another perception which I thought is worth sharing with readers who have been following this discussion. Please note that this is from a book written by someone who has read the Message but not something culled from the Grail Message itself. It is therefore not necessarily sacrosanct. Here it goes:

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"What is the difference between a Being and a Spirit? Beings are formed in the main part, from the Divine Radiation, while spirits have their main part from Parsifal. Past the Divine realm the beings are divided into male and female, because to the direct Divine Radiation also part of Parsifal's radiation is added - God's Will.
A further difference between spirits and beings is the fact that beings do not have their own will , as they are under the direct influence of the Creator or the Primordial Queen. Based on this capability, they are the executors of Eternal Laws. They carry out only that which is in accordance with God's Will, nothing else. That's why they do not suffer any karmic consequences of their deeds, although they are sometimes negative, e.g. killing a man due to a natural catastrophe, a lightening strike, etc. Beings are Angels while Elemental beings are merely their lower form, in the same way as man is a lower form of a perfect spirit.

The difference in the usage of will between a being and a spirit can be compared to the difference between an architect and a painter. An architect has to draw a house with some predetermined requirements of the owner and according to natural laws. He can express himself creatively and individually within this framework. A painter only gets his theme and proceeds according to his own inspiration. The archtect therefore is bound by certain rules as a being is bound by laws, which does not mean that he has no opportunity to use his creativity within these rules. An artist has a higher degree of creative freedom, similar to the spirit, but he, at the same time, has to take the risk that the owner will not accept his creation if it does not appeal to his taste and ideas. The archtect, on the other hand, tries to adapt to the owner from the very beginning and that's why his risk of failure is not as high.

Spirits and people have free will firstly because they are the furthest away from the Creator and also because they are created mainly from his Will. Primordial Spirits and Spirits, due to the knopwledge of Eternal Laws, freely and voluntarily submit to God's Will, while beings do so because of their ties to the Creator and as a consequence of the Law of Homogeneity. In essence all in Creation voluntarily submits to God's Will, only in the World of Matter had man turned from God's Will. Thereby, he has set himself free from the direct influence of the principal power and heads towards spiritual decline and extinction." End of Quote.

Does anyone agree with the above views? Also, we are told in first paragraph that beings do not have their own will while in the third paragraph we are given to understand that ALL in Creation voluntarily submit to God's Will. Does this not appear like a contradiction in terms? Comments welcome please.

Deep Sight: ^^^ Good question, although I suspect the answer lies in the fact that such elementals never had any instrinsic ability to have free will in the first place, regardless of their location. Lucifer on the other hand, had such an intrinsic capacity but was only restrained because of proximity to God and the pressure of the Light. Away from that proximity and pressure, he could act in freedom.

You are probably right Deep Sight but the thing is that we noted earlier that the elementals also carry something 'spiritual' within them hence they are able to assume 'human form' on attaining consciousness. And since possession of free-will is part of the endowment of the spiritual, I was wondering if the elementals have it to some degree but are able to adapt theirs in conformity with the Will of the Almighty. I am still open to other perceptions!

justcool: @speer
The elemtals are living forms of the laws of creation, they stand in the law from which they emanated; they have no free will.
They are like gardeners in the farm of creation. The water, arrange and nurse every plant, both the good and bad ones.
Creation is living! Everything in creation has forms; even the laws of creation! Creation is continuously mobile because it is driven by the pressure that results from LIFE Himself. God Himself is the Life that animates all.

Hello Justcool. Thanks for making time for the bit of information you provided in answer to my last question. This has already clarified a lot for me. I look forward to more details when you have time.

The above quote is from your response to Speer's question. I was wondering, is it that the substantiate beings (of which the elementals are a part) do not have free-will at all or is it that they unavoidably/invariably adjust their will (volition) to the Will of the Almighty? How are those elementals that work closest to mankind in gross matter able to maintain such a strong/unbreakable link with the Light without deviation while one who came from a much higher realm (Divine) and was imbued with such great power (Lucifer) could not maintain the purity of that link with the Light after his descent into Subsequent Creation?
Please take your time.
Regards.

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justcool: I know that the question now arises is, “If a being must have spirit and consciousness to have a human form, how come some elemental or substantiate beings, who are not spirits, have human forms?”

The answer lies in the process of separation of the spiritual from the substantiate. The radiations that later separated into 'spirits' and 'substantiate beings' were one above creation. Only in the process of creation, in distancing from the Light, which consequently brought about cooling down, did these separate into two species: Spiritual and Substantiate. And since creation allows no gaps, these separation happened in such a way that there is no gap between the spiritual and the substantiate. There are beings which stand in-between the two species. Just as in a color spectrum, you will find no gap when you go from one color to another. For example, as you proceed from violet towards blue, the violet becomes less violet and begins to have little blue. You arrive at blue-violet, which even though still violet has some blue in it. At the wavelength of 450nm to 430nm, the violet is no longer completely violet but rather predominantly violet because it already has elements of blue in it; hence we call it blue-violet or Indigo. The same is applicable to the spiritual and substantiate, which when in separating, there came into existence, substantiate beings who are completely substantiate as well as those who still retain some spiritual element in them. The latter are the substantiate beings who have human forms; in reality, they are not wholly substantiate, rather we can say that they are predominantly substantiate and partly spiritual. It is this being partly spiritual, this fact that they still retain some 'spirit' or spiritual element in them that allow them to take on the human form. Hence even the substantiate-germs of these species of substantiate, on wakening to consciousness receive the human form because they carry some spiritual elements in them.

Great stuff! I must say that it is only with the help of the Grail Message that mankind is able to have such a clear and logical insight into the working of all facets of the entire Creation and even above it. What a great blessing!
If I may take the discussion further - with the spliting into spiritual and substantiate, we know that there was also a splitting into positive and negative. Did this also create beings who are predominantly positive but with aspects of the negative in their 'mode of working' and vice versa or is this tendency always to be regarded as a 'distortion' when it manifests in the activity of all creatures in Creation? Also, if the positive/negative splitting already took place on leaving the Castle, then it should not be a matter of choice for the spirit-germs in Subsequent Creation - as their inclination had already been pre-determined and they should simply work in consonance with that pre-determination or become distorted and unable to fulfil their calling towards attaining maturity. Is that a correct way of looking at it?
Thanks in advance for your input.
Regards.

@ Justcool

Have just ordered a copy of your book and look forward to receiving it.
I will give an honest review of the book though I am a very slow reader!
Regards.

@ Justcool.

Many, many thanks for the clarifications. I'm much obliged.
Hope you have not forgotten the question about the human form on attaining consciousness!
Regards.

m_nwankwo: As for me, I do not need any book to sense what Abdrushin teaches in his Grail Messsage.

Hmmmmm! M_nwankwo, I think you must be from the Primordial Spiritual Plane or higher, which means you are not one of us 'developed human spirits' for whom the Bringer of the Message had to incarnate on earth in order to put the Message down in book form and the knowledge of which we are told cannot be exhausted in an earthlife. I cannot wait to pay my obeisance personally at an opportune time!
Regards.

justcool

The question arises; What happens to an individual who has passed judgment today? Does he have to wait for a certain future time or fixed date to enter the Millennium? No! Whoever passes the judgment begins to experience the millennium immediately!

To pass judgment only means to have washed yourself(Your robes) clean in the purifying rays of Judgment[/b:
, and have again regained your ability to perceive intuitively. Saying that 'The millennium has already started' only means that the rays necessary to bring about the promises are already with us. If these promises have not materialized in an individual’s life; the individual may still be passing through judgment, and hence this individual has not yet entered the Millennium. The moment He survives(spiritually) the judgment he begins to experience the millennium. He will experience the peace of Paradise even while on earth! Without Lucifer's disturbance! He will see all the promises materialize in his life! Each individual starts to experience the Millennium as soon as he passes judgment.

Hello Justcool. Thanks for the further clarifications which have elicited new questions in my mind.

Question is : Have the totality of the rays of judgement reached mankind or only part thereof? If only part of it has reached mankind, can one who appears to have passed that part be said to have completed or passed judgement and completely washed his robes clean?

I ask this in the light of the following passage from 'The Book of Life' - Volume 1 of Grail Message:

"...And these blows of the Last Judgement are already on their way to you, to each one in Creation, no matter whether he is with or without his physical body.
The first blows have already reached you, and everything that still clings to your souls is revived.
But also the final blows bringing destruction or upliftment have been sent out with an all-overwhelming severity to complete the purification upon this earth! Already they are rushing towards mankind, and nothing can check them anywhere. At the exact hour appointed by God, mankind will be inexorably but justly struck by them!"

As always, your perceptions on the above would be much appreciated.
Regards.

m_nwankwo: Hi again Shinealight. The citation you quoted is from the lecture "Millennium" (english translation).As the title stated, everything in the lecture is about the millennium. A lecture titled "The Kingdom of a Thousand Years" describes the conditions for the establishment of millennium. I am not of the view that a lecture on Millennium is at the same time talking about another "thousand year Reign of Peace". If it were so, that will be made clear in that lecture and other lectures in the Grail Message. My perception is that the separation of the millennium from a thousand year reign of peace is an artificial construction. There is no where in that lecture where the author made that distinction. If you find anywhere in the Grail Message where the author stated that "The Kingdom of a Thousand Years" is different from "The Kingdom of a Thousand Year Reign of Peace", please kindly let me know. Stay blessed.

@ m_nwankwo

I think it is worth mentioning to you and other readers that there is a NEW EDITION 2011 of 'In The Light of Truth' - THE GRAIL MESSAGE by Abd-ru-shin which is obtainable through the following link:

http://shop.alexander-bernhardt.com/index.php?page=index&x77939=dbebd442d61e57b70e115ec80ba82c96

This latest edition seeks to reflect more accurately the actual words of the German Author as opposed to employing terminologies of other languages which may connote other meanings/interpretations that the Author never had in mind. In this latest edition, you would find that words like 'Millennium' and 'Animistic' have been jettisoned.
Best wishes

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m_nwankwo: My perception is that attempts meant to separate a "kingdom of a thousand years" from the "kingdom of peace" is simply artificial.

Hello Again! Just for the records let me quickly note that the distinction between the two is not artificial at all. The Bringer of the Message uses 'precise' words to describe what he means to convey AT ALL TIMES!. In the lecture titled 'DAS REICH DER TAUSEND JAHRE' which translates to 'The Kingdom of a Thousand Years', he also employs the phrase 'Friedensreich der Tausend Jahre' which translates to 'Kingdom or Reign of Peace of A Thousand Years'. However, the two phrases are not meant to convey precisely the same thing as can be deduced from the context of the passages below.

A1) ".....And then man forgot the principal thing! He did not take into account the condition that was also foretold, that before the thousand-year Reign of Peace everything has to become new in the Judgement! That is the essential foundation for the New Kingdom. It cannot be built up on the existing soil! Everything that is old has first to become new!"

A2) Disinheriting humanity of all the rights hitherto held in Subsequent Creation therefore makes possible and safeguards the establishment of the long-wished-for Kingdom of Peace!

The two passages above (A1 and A2) where Friedensreiches (Kingdom or Reign of Peace) has been used clearly confirms that both Judgement as well as Disinheriting humanity of their right as ruler in Subsequent Creation must preceed the establishment of the thousand-year Kingdom of Peace. This is correct and there is no dispute about this!

It is noteworthy that everywhere else in that lecture which we call 'Millennium', he uses the phrase 'Das Reich der Tausend Jahre' which translates as 'The Kingdom of A Thousand Years' to denote the entire period when the Will of the Almighty rules. The passage below illustrates this:

'...Now since the human spirits have proved their utter inability to recognise their task in this Creation, since they proved their unwillingness to fulfil it by repudiating and misinterpreting all the warnings given by called ones and prophets, even those by the Son of God Himself, sealing their enmity by the crucifixion, God now forcibly intervenes.
Hence the Kingdom of a Thousand Years!
Only by force can Subsequent Creation still be helped, as well as mankind, who have proved that they would never voluntarily be persuaded to take the right path which they must follow in Creation in order to live in it according to God’s Will, and also to work and bring blessing as the beings that they really are by virtue of their spiritual nature.

The above passage speaks of 'forcible intervention' and 'only by force can Subsequent creation be helped' during the so-called Millennium. This should serve to confirm that the whole period cannot be one of Peace & Joy for all of mankind. Within that period of Millennium, the judgement and purification will take place and only those who survive this will experience the Peace & Joy inherent in a Kingdom of Peace.

To use a simplistic earthly analogy, anybody who has lived under a military regime (Buhari/Idiagbon say) can testify to the high rate of casualty, both human and material, that is recorded during the early stages of such military take-over when the military begin to enforce discipline and impose their will on the citizenry who have been used to a lifestyle that is lacking in discipline! The early stages of the reign of the Adamantine Will of the Almighty must of necessity also result in judgement for many who have embraced the Darkness for so long, resulting in the purificationn of the earth... but this judgement & purification are a consequence of the entrance of the Higher Will which takes place at the beginning of the period of the Millennium!. I submit that this period has already commenced!

I think it would be apt to conclude with the final words of the lecture referred to above:
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"...Such is the Kingdom of a Thousand Years and its purpose! In their self-conceit and the delusion of their own importance, mankind have imagined it to be quite different. But they will have to learn and experience it as it actually is!" Unquote.
Best wishes

@ M_Nwankwo

Thanks for sharing your perceptions M_Nwankwo. I knew that this topic will generate many divergent views, hence my initial reservations. However, my understanding and perceptions are more in line with those expressed by Justcool but I am sure that many others will also share your perceptions.

I believe that the disagreement that this topic generates arises because people generally have different understanding of the concept of 'Millennium'. Most people cannot conceive of a Millennium that does not carry 'Peace' with it as an adjunct. However, the two are not necessarily synonymous! What we in the english-speaking world call Millennium (commonly interpreted as Period of Peace & Joy) is actually conveyed by the Author of the Message in the German original simply as (DAS REICH DER TAUSEND JAHRE) which literally translates to 'Kingdom of A Thousand Years' or 'Reign of A Thousand Years'. There is no mention of Peace & Joy in the german context, although the idea could also have existed in the minds of german speakers but this is merely implied and not bound up with the concept. In other words, the concept in its pure form simply denotes a period when the Will of the Almighty reigns supreme on earth .
Now, it should be understandable that when the Almighty's Will first begins its reign in an environment that was hitherto pervaded by darkness, the initial result will be purification and judgement for many who are not swinging aright in this Supreme Will. Afterwards, when the volition of majority of mankind will have changed for the better and more in consonance with the supreme and adamantine Will of the Almighty, then the Peace & Joy will become manifest and the Kingdom of Peace will have been ushered in.

Therefore it can be correctly stated that the period of the 'Kingdom of A Thousand Years' has commenced. Indeed, it begins with the binding of Lucifer and it also begins with the Cosmic Turning Point (for which the actual date is known). At the same time as the Kingdom of A Thousand Years, the Kingdom of Peace on earth was also proclaimed. However, due to the wrong development of the human spirits, both must today be seen as separate happenings.
While the Kingdom of A Thousand Years follows its cycle uninfluenced by human volition, on the other hand, the Kingdom of Peace that should come about within the timespan of the Kingdom of A Thousand Years, requires the spiritual volition of humanity through opening themselves to the Light to bring about a change, whereby the spirit of man takes a lead in the entirety of humanity's fate where the intellect plays only an executing role.

The Grail Kingdom on earth also equates to the Kingdom of Peace because, for the building up of a Grail Kingdom, a Kingdom of Peace is a pre-requisite. It is only when the Kingdom of Peace has been established that the 'replica' of the Grail Temple that is spoken about can be built on earth.

m_nwankwo: @all,

A major mechanism for the establishment of the millennium is the physical appearance of the radiant star. Many (here and there) have seen this star but not with the physical eyes. This star have not even entered our solar system yet. When it appears it will be physically visible and earthly astronomers will be able to follow its trajectory once it enters our solar system. This star is connected with the son of man and will make its appearance when the millennium is imminent. For decades now the enveloped rays of this star have penetrated this earth bringing an acceleration of all reciprocal actions. When it physically becomes visible, the de-enveloped rays on earth and in the beyond will bring the judgement to its conclusion and herald the beginning of the millennium.

As regards the remarks in bold letters above, while I do not make any categorical statement on it since it is not officially declared , I suggest people do some research about the Comet Hale-Bopp which has been recorded as the most widely observed comet of the 20th century, and one of the brightest seen for many decades. It was visible to the naked eye for a record 18 months, twice as long as the previous record holder, the Great Comet of 1811. Comet Hale-Bopp has been dubbed the Great Comet of 1997 and it has been calculated that the previous visit by Hale-Bopp occured in July 2215BC when it may have presented a similar sight to people then (incidentally this period also coincided with another significant happening on earth). Readers should do their own research and come to their own conclusions on this.
Best wishes.

justcool: Back to the Millennium. To the Son of Man, the judgment has already completed, and the millennium began in His earth life! Both The judgment, The millennium or Paradise on earth, and all the promises are all alive within Him; He experiences them continually because He stands in the Will of God. However, it is up to each human being when and how to experience these things. The son of man only has to radiate, and in His radiation lies the fulfillment of all these happenings! The rays will not reach each person at the same time; neither will it strike each person exactly the right manner.

Thanks Justcool for sharing your perceptions on the Millennium which have served to further clarify and deepen the understanding that one has had about the working of the Divine Envoys. For me, the passage quoted above summarises it all and, I daresay, should remove any doubts that may exist in the minds of those who only take a narrow and literal view of these events.
Regards and thanks again.

@ Alfonso.mara

Hello. I found your comments to be full of venom. I wonder whether your disgust is informed by what you have read in the Message or your personal observation of and/or interaction with some dudes in your surrounding who merely profess to be adherents of the Message
(i.e. dubious crossbearers) - which one is it? Also, what is it that you would like the Author Abd-ru-shin to incarnate again in order to explain to you?
What conceit! How important and valuable you must consider yourself to be! It obviously has not occurred to you that you are even less than an ant in the scheme of things! The mills of the Laws of Creation will simply crush you into smithereens!

Again, perhaps the Author need not go to all that trouble of re-incarnating on your behalf if the answers to your questions have already been provided but YOU have failed to seek them out. I'm afraid it would be double jeopardy for you if that is the case. So, come out with the grievances that so torment and torture you - lets hear them - without lacing your comments with unnecessary venom of course!
Perhaps you can still be helped but I doubt it!

justcool: @Speer
The descending spirit-germ attains consciousness on this ethereal plane and consequently its cloak take on the human form. For the human form and consciousness are closely linked; every being possessing self consciousness has a human form.

Hello Justcool. Please elaborate on why it is that attainment of consciousness automatically gives rise to 'human form'. Just wondering why it is that only the conscious manifest in human form but never one who is still unconscious. It is noteworthy that this applies to substantiate (animistic) beings as well i.e. elves, gnomes, etc, who also take on human form upon attaining consciousness.
Any particular reason why this is or is it just so?
Would appreciate your perceptions on this.
Regards.

Deep Sight: Okay. I must admit you make sense. Apologies for my earlier impatience.

I believe an apology is not necessary as your assertions were not borne out of malevolence but genuinely meant to further the cause of spiritual enlightenment. I wish you strength as you dig deeper into the Word of Life!
Best wishes.

@ Deep Sight

As always I thank you for your comments. You have your views and I have mine. If you have indeed read the Message several times as you claim, then what appears to baffle you should not do so. I suggest you re-read the Epilogue: "How the Message should be absorbed". From there, it should be clear that it is not I or people like me who have stipulated the need to proceed gradually and to follow the sequence in which the Author has arranged his lectures without making jumps.

I would have thought it obvious that in an open public forum, some of the readers might just be going through passages in Volume 1 while others are already grappling with lectures of the Primordial Spiritual Planes in Volume 3. Surely, one would be violating the instructions of the Author if one starts to discuss profusely in a public forum, for instance about 'Od-shi-mat-no-ke' or 'Leilak', information about whom was only given towards the end of Volume 3 of the Message. In fact some people might even think one is trying to show off his knowledge!

However, YOU see this action of trying not to unduly impose on other people as being secretive, snobbish, clandestine or hoarding the Truth.
Well, I am sure many readers of this forum will not agree with you. So, lets leave it at that!
Best wishes.