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Reality3080:
what was atiku contribution?

We know u igbos will queue behind atiku so we ain't surprised.

U have umahi, Anyim to promote but u don't care,your only ambition come 2023 is to stop tinubu

You’re absolutely correct! Most Ibos prefer to be permanently under the Hausa/Fulani jackboot than vote for Tinubu. Reminds one of the saying: cutting one’s nose to spite the face. No wahala….I hope they will not suffer the fate of being booted out of the North again. As Bola Ige would say…..make we siddon look!

NotoriousBiggyS:
Normal cost for 64page is 38k
32page is 28k. That's if u want to follow normal procedures. But unfortunately the normal procedure will stress you and delay your time unless you're a very patience person you won't find it easy.
I had to bribed my way through to get this fast because Nigeria immigration service is the most corrupt agency after police in nigeria

So, was it Tinubu that also made your Police and Immigration Service so corrupt? Just wondering o!

NSK4U:
So he wants to rule where he didn't believe in? He is never a true nationalist. If he were, he would have stood with the country no matter what happened. So if his wife or children is killed tomorrow, or he loses the election, he would come out and denounce Nigeria? It shows he is only a believer in Nigeria when it's beneficial to him, can't make a good leader in a multi ethnic state like Nigeria.

I’m sorry but you are a first-class HYPOCRITE if you maintain that the attitude of the Hausa/Fulani towards great men from other tribes (such as Awolowo, Enahoro, Ekwueme, Abiola and now Tinubu) who have offered themselves to serve Nigeria but treated with disdain, that this should not have any effect on our perception as to whether Nigeria is one Nation worth sacrificing for. I’m afraid it is unrealistic not to expect any adverse reaction from the tribesmen of such leaders!

Ijaya123:
Tinubu will eventually step down for Osinbajo. Nobody is better qualified and positioned for the job than Osinbajo. He is the natural choice.

This is my candidate.

More likely to be the other way round…..Osinbajo will step down for Tinubu. Just as one cannot imagine Awo stepping down for Jakande who was another illustrious Yoruba son. People ought to know their place in the scheme of things!

KillIgbohoN0W:
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So his beliefs and political doctrines are selfishly dependent on what benefits/affects him abi?

Besides, the statement was made in 1997.
Oya, next excuse Afonja

So what? Where was Abiola in 1997 ? Was he a free man?

KillIgbohoN0W:
You said you don't believe in One Nigeria yet you want to rule over One Nigeria.

Tinubu and his urchins are shameless

What did you expect him to say as Yorubaman and an Abiola follower, after they refused to announce the result of the 1993 election and even put his principal (the winner) in prison and later murdered him? Use some sense my friend instead of just quoting rubbish without stating the circumstances!

ScamHunter:
That's probably the first sensible decision from the cabal. Rewarding any Yoruba man with the presidency is akin to rewarding treachery against the south. Even though there's no altruism on the part of the cabal, I think it serves the Yoruba tribe just fine to learn that treachery should be rewarded with more treachery. Very evil people.

How do you come to the conclusion that a “whole tribe of people” are evil?? That comment tells a lot about you and your state of mind and mentality. The hatred you carry in your heart will definitely consume you. Don’t bother calling yourself a Christian or going to any Church to shout the name of Jesus because your fate is already sealed and you are already doomed through your own inner state of being which is full of venom. You better make good while you still have the time ….through changing what you carry in your HEART!!!

Massiveglory:
Sir, If u like, inform the pope. You will not be president.

Rubbish! I thought you can cast only one vote!!�

Inasmuch as VP Osinbajo has the intellectual capacity to be President, he is not a fighter like Tinubu. Tinubu has fought many political battles with ppl like Atiku, Obasanjo, even Babangida and he came out on top. They all respect him for his political acumen and total control of his environment. The Professor is more refined and he can speak English no doubt…..hwvr, when he gets to the deep in the middle of the ocean, he may falter like Gowon of the military era. This is not about being a gentleman. I will sleep better with Tinubu in charge….he can handle things in a storm…..he proved it in Lagos when Obasanjo roasted all the SW governors for surya…..only Tinubu could survive the onslaught. Even Bola Ige lost his life in the process. I salute Tinubu as a fighter, unifier and purposeful Leader. Let’s give Tinubu a chance….he is the Awo of our time…..Nigeria will never be the same again!!

slawormiir:
Damnnn niggar
Nice

Tinubu can never be our president

How many votes do you have….is it not ONLY ONE. If others vote him in, what will you do, other than pack and go back to your village to see if there’s any means of livelihood for you there?….which is doubtful.
So, just stop being boastful about something you’re powerless to control or even to determine!

Idamond:
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Is this what they call terrorism? What a JOKE!!! Is there no freedom of speech again? Shior !

Mixed bathing is wrong. This is when men and women go to beaches to bath together and to expose themselves to the glances of all and sundry. When the women have finished exposing themselves in that fashion, their purity may already be tainted somewhat. Every glance cast by an adult male at a lady is like throwing “ethereal dirt“ at that woman which her soul may never be able to get rid of. Women should strive to maintain their purity by staying away from such places. Purity makes a Woman what she should be!

Thehumanlloydl:
When you realize, a well planned event shouldn't cause harm to anyone and God makes no mistake, you'll discover that Jesus' gruesome death was clearly a wrong Event that occurred.

I have no more arguments with people who fail to understand and accept truth!

Naturally, you reason like a ‘human being’ but you try to interpret the actions of a Personality (Creator of All Things) whose “essence” you do not know, from the perspective of the human being which you are.
The first thing you need to bear in mind is that God is Law and by virtue of His Perfection, He does not and will not break HIS own Laws!
By virtue of this fact, God does not interfere in the exercise of the FREEWILL which he has granted the “human spirits” whom we describe as Earthmen.
So, though the event was well-planned as you suggested, the outcome was still subject to humanity’s exercise of their Freewill. Imagine, a Pastor who out of Love accepts to go into a Prison establishment to save hardened Criminals (all of whom possess Freedom in the exercise of their will). There are a number of outcomes to expect....some may listen to him completely and change their ways, some may half accept his admonitions and revert to their evil ways when they get out, yet a handful may connive and plot against him to do him harm for venturing to preach to them what they consider impracticable for them. Yet some of the Prison Warders may see him as a threat who could cost them their jobs if he manages to convince the criminals to be law-abiding citizens. So, the fate of the Pastor cannot be totally foreseen as it is subject to the exercise of men’s freewill which the Almighty will not take from them and does not interfere with. Having said this, for the Light, the risk is still worth taking because the Light always takes the Positive outlook on things, never the negative.... though it may be aware of the possibilities judging by Man’s past tendencies and dispositions.
Hope this is of some help.
Best wishes,
Shinealight

JMAN05:
Maybe she believes the writer of Grail is her Messiah.lol

This is hardly a matter to joke about!
Question is: What does the term “Christian” mean and who is a Christian? A true Christian is a follower of Christ in the sense that the person believes and puts the teachings of Christ into practice in all facets of his/her life.
What did Christ teach while He was on earth? ..... Never mind shouting His Name and professing to be a Christian without living according to the Word that the Messiah brought. Those who do that and call themselves Christians are nothing but jesters!
So, the lady who said she’s not a Christian knows what she was talking about ..... she meant that she’s not a Christian in the orthodox, conventional and commonplace sense of simply mouthing the word and not striving to bring it to life within you.
And she is absolutely correct to say that!
At the same time, she is a true Christian who believes in Christ as the Redeemer of humanity and who “strives” daily and hourly to reflect the TRUE teachings of Christ in her life. Please note that I said the TRUE teachings and not the teachings of Men using the name of Christ. There is a huge difference between the two. Strive to find out the difference.... then perhaps one day you will understand why your fiancée and others like her do not joke with the appellation “Christian” which has been bastardised by the lost humanity of today.
Best wishes,
Shinealight

latrust:
@ shinalight

Thank you, I appreciate your effort but you are very right when you said that I am speaking out of conviction. These few exchanges made me delve deeper into this and strengthened my conviction.

What you said about ageing and postponing death by good behavior is right, I never doubted that, However, in all honesty that is not what the added verse is saying. Take it to any English professor,.................

The English Professor, French Professor or any Professor in the language into which the Message has been translated cannot tell us the precise intent of the Author of a spiritual Work, the content of which can only be intuitively perceived particularly after it has been tampered with by translators.
In this regard, I leave readers of this thread who are in earnest about their spiritual seeking with the following words culled from a Book titled "Irmingard" -
Quote:
"Each translation of the Message is a help for those who have not mastered the German language. But it should really be regarded only as a help, for any translation, however good according to human opinion, is but piecework. The Holy Word can be fully recognised only in the German language....."
Unquote. (bold emphasis mine)

latrust:
In this issue I'm sure and hope that one day you will get it right. I'm extremely sure about this, perhaps woman's intuition.

Hmmmm....woman's intuition.... I wouldn't bet on it! However, I thank you for having some confidence that I too may yet see the light!

@ latrust

Thanks again for your comments.
I can see that you speak out of inner conviction, but then so do I. One of us is definitely wrong about this.
It seems to me self-evident that a man who chooses to smoke 2 or 3 packets of cigarettes a day while injecting his body with foreign substances can trigger a premature ageing of his body leading to a premature death possibly through lung cancer which was not willed for him in the first place. Meanwhile, his peers who comply with the laws of healthy living can live to a ripe old age while 'ageing gracefully in good health' before they eventually have to bow out in death at the right time destined for them.
It follows that whenever the laws of Creation have been contravened, what results is a premature and unnatural occurrence.
Perhaps one day one of us will see things in a different light!
Best wishes.

latrust:
You are attaching words there to justify it. It didn’t say premature. I believe the word premature was in existence when that verse was written and the writer knows that word very well, yet he didn’t use it. Don’t attach it there, it wasn’t talking about premature, it was talking about the afro-mentioned disintegration.
If it meant what you said, the writer would have added that it such worlds would eventually also go through disintegration. Rather it said “thus avoiding a course which must otherwise lead to over-ripeness and disintegration” which is ambiguous and actually means that such worlds will never be disintegrated.
If I tell you: ".....you will always remain fresh and healthy and swing in the Laws of Creation, thus avoiding a course which must otherwise lead to old age and death".

It simply means that you will never die. If you don’t understand this, then you should consider taking an English class.
From my understanding, it is not sin that brings over-ripeness, rather it is a natural stage that all material forms must arrive at. Over-ripeness is like old age, Jesus would have aged too and died if he didn’t die young.

Thanks! I shall definitely consider your advice to take up an English class soonest. Meanwhile I suggest you look deeper in the Message to acquaint yourself of the various things (which are not willed by the Light) that can lead to "over-ripeness".

As a pointer, I will give you the following passages to look up:

1.) Vol 2, Lecture 52
"......Since with this ability to make a free decision the spirit-germs do not always choose the way upwards to the Light, a certain increase in the density of the World of Matter not willed by the Light takes place, causing it to become heavier and forcing it down onto a course that leads to over-ripeness and to the funnel which acts like a cleansing filter upon everything, and in which disintegration simultaneously occurs.

2.) Vol. 2, lecture 67
".....The animal bodies of the most highly developed race of that time, into which no spirit seed-grains incarnated, came to a standstill in their development, however, because the substantiate element within them had already attained to the highest it could and they lacked the power of the spirit to advance further. And with the standstill over-ripeness quickly set in, to be followed by retrogression and disintegration!

3.)Vol 3, Lecture 46
".....Either the human spirit must swing itself upwards to knowledge or remain stationary, which latter is equivalent to the setting in of decay, due to uselessness consequent upon a stationary human spirit becoming over-ripe through inactivity; a human spirit which no longer knows how to apply the Power of the Light accumulating within it in the right way. Thus that which can and would help it becomes its ruin, as is the case with all energy that is wrongly applied!

From the above, we can see that there are "sins" such as wrong decisions by the human spirits which increase the density of the celestial globe, standstill in development contrary to the Law of Motion as well as stationary human spirits who cannot apply the Power of the Light in the right way. All these precipitate over-ripeness which leads to disintegration.

WHEN A STATE OF OVER-RIPENESS (WHICH LEADS TO DISINTEGRATION) IS PRECIPITATED BY AN EVENT OR ACTION NOT WILLED BY THE LIGHT OR WHICH CONTRAVENES THE LAWS OF CREATION, THEN THAT ENSUING DISINTEGRATION IS A PREMATURE ONE.
THIS GOES WITHOUT SAYING AND THE AUTHOR NEED NOT INSERT THE WORD 'PREMATURE' IN THE TEXT!

Best wishes.

latrust:
Did you read justcool's explanation to Speer about the anchorage of Purity and Love, I believe his explanation is correct. If he is wrong, let us know. In the lecture, The Primordial Spiritual planes it is revealed that Maria and Irmingard are not part of creation, and not tied to their anchorages in creation. Even if these anchorages are primordial spiritual beings, cant they make mistakes? Didn't Lucifer who was Divine make mistake? especially at the time when they are not connected to Maria and Irmingard.

Also, I'm a seeker but I know that the Grail Message said that only womanhood had to do with Irmingard, men had nothing to do with her. This is not an exact quote, but my summery. How can she then on earth, lead a movement that is made up of men and women. The Grail Message also say that Maria and Irmingard are active without the possibility of anything in creation reacting upon them. So how can they lead mankind when mankind's reaction cannot reach them? Justcool explained how a certain degree of homogeneity or connection is needed between a teacher and his/her subjects. Doesn't the fact that they led an earthly movement already show that they can make mistakes?

Being a woman, I delved into the message to find the earthly role of women which is passive and mostly spiritual. Leading a movement comprising of men and women, in my view, does not correspond to the higher calling of women.

Justcool once explained that the message took thousands for years for its preparation, and that even before incarnating, but Jesus and Ab-ru-shin knew consequences and the possibility of rejection and mankind's failure? How come with this knowledge he wrote the Message, only to change the whole thing after he noticed that mankind had failed. So he didn't know or anticipate the failure before writing?

I'm afraid, the issues raised above are way over my head. As an ordinary human spirit from the lowest ramifications of the Spiritual Realm, I would hesitate to start speculating on when or how the Anchorage of a Primordial Spiritual Being departed or the scope of responsibility of such beings. Personally, I would prefer to err on the side of caution in these matters!
For me, the following words in the Message suffice to clear all doubts:
".....Therefore in the last, most sacred fulfilment Imanuel now works in Creation simultaneously in Parsifal, Maria and Irmingard!"

latrust:
I have read where Mr Vollman admitted to making a change in "Question and answers!" supposedly written by Abd-ru-shin. If you want I can show it to you. Isn't this prof enough that they change the words of Abd-ru-shin? Wasnt Maria and Irmingard alive when Vollman changed the words to an answer given by Abd-ru-shin? What about the changes I heard they made on the Past eras awaken? In this case they don't claim that it was Abd-ru-shin that made the changes, yet the original stories were received in the proximity of Abd-ru-shin. Only for the movement to change them when He was no longer on earth. What about the ones they withdraw and choose not to sell anymore, eventhough it was freely sold at the time of Abd-ru-shin.

The question I always ask myself about this kind of allegations is: Why? For what purpose? Why would Herr Vollman tamper with or change the words of And-ru-shin? Is it to show that he knows better than the Author Himself? Surely, a highly Called One like Herr Vollman who stood solidly by Maria and Irmingard after the passing of Abd-ru-shin, would know the consequences of such an action better than most. Again, in the absence of answers to these questions, I prefer to err on the side of caution!

latrust:
If all these changes can be made within decade, who know what the book will look like in thousands of years. Considering that they are still editing it and replacing words with the alleged "better ones."

New editions of the book need to be produced periodically because the vocabularies of our languages are constantly changing. The English of the 1920s and 1930s cannot be said to be appropriate for the younger generation of today. For instance, the word "Phantasie" was used in the German edition many times which was translated to English as "Phantasy" but this has now been replaced with "fantasy" which is more in line with current usage. I would say therefore that revisions are necessary periodically, say every ten years or so if only to update the vocabulary!

latrust:
I also read that they tried to register the movement as a religion after the death of Abd-ru-shin, but the authorities refused because the Grail message in its preface clearly said that, "The following words does not bring a new religion."

For me, it is neither here nor there that they tried to register the Movement as a Religious Society if they considered it expedient to do so at the time. It is not the label that counts but the practice. The statement made by the Author relates to practice, i.e. what people do with His Message, how they perceive it inwardly and whether they live it instead of rapturously hailing and praising the Bringer as they are wont to do with religions without understanding what is demanded of them for their salvation.
He says: "The following Word does not bring a new religion"! This means he does not want humanity to approach it with the same attitude that they generally adopt with their religions. This fact is illustrated by the Answer given to Question 10 in Q & A where it is asked: "Is church attendance advisable for seekers"?
In response, we are told: "The way to the Truth goes also through the churches. The decisive factor for it is always and only the inner state of the individual........"
Further on, we are told: "The churches are quite good, but the people, [i]those who attend these churches, are inwardly dead. If they bring life into themselves, they will also find what they need in the churches".
From the above it can be seen that the emphasis of the Author of the Grail Message is to enlighten humanity on earth so that they can live as responsible human beings with full knowledge of the Laws of Creation and acting responsibly therein out of conviction.
Hence, in the preface to the book he also says: "........Religious fanatics and irresponsible enthusiasts may hold aloof, for they are detrimental to the Truth".

latrust:
Your explanation about using "Afore-mentioned" to introduce a new concept still does not make sense to me, but lets not dwell on that. How about where it said that under certain circumstances matter will always remain fresh, " thus avoiding a course which must otherwise lead to over-ripeness and disintegration".

So you believe under certain circumstances this earth can exist forever?

The passage says: ".....It always remains fresh and healthy and swings in the Laws of Creation, thus avoiding a course which must otherwise lead to over-ripeness and disintegration".
This makes perfect sense because anything that follows the LAWS OF CREATION will proceed along the path of development intended for it and will always remain "fresh and healthy" (without any undesirable or unwanted dross) while maintaining that course. It is the unwanted dross that precipitates over-ripeness which then leads to premature disintegration. It does not mean that the celestial globe will never go through disintegration but it will proceed along the path ordained for it and will remain fresh while on that path and fully complying with the Laws of Creation as willed by the Creator. It will get to its destined end when it is meant to get there, not before and not later. Also, that end will only be a replenishing, strengthening and renewal (corresponding to a new birth) which is not the same as destruction!

latrust:
I believe the movement is a religion. Thats why the highest number of members in Nigerian. This is a trend that is found in all religions, Nigerians are very religious.

Some definitions of the word "Religion" given in the English dictionary are:
1.) the organised service and worship of a god, gods, or the supernatural.
2.) a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardour and faith.
So, if you participate in organised worship of the Creator in whatever way, you can be said to be involved in religious practice. If on the other hand you choose not to be openly involved in any "organised" worship but you hold firmly to some principle or belief with unbending conviction, you can equally be accused of being engaged in religionism. To believe in nothing and hold nothing sacred should not be an option for a human being! What is most important therefore is to hold on to a principle that is true, unchanging and eternal which are the hallmarks of the Spiritual. Then one can say unashamedly that one is practising a Religion of Truth!

latrust:
@shinalight

Your stance is a little bit harsh and contradictory.

I found this harsh:
I found this being addressed to Justcool very harsh. He is only sharing his perception. It appears that you are offended because his views does not agree with your religious view. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Thank you for your response.
Harshness did you say? Nothing harsh about it. Only a statement of fact! The statement that "Any apparent contradiction or error is only due to the inner incapacity or intellectual inadequacy of the individual reader to grasp correctly what is being offered to him" is not directed at any particular person, least of all Justcool because Justcool will NEVER attempt to put himself either spiritually or intellectually, side by side with the Bringer of the Grail Message. The statement is not personal but concerns every individual reader, be they a Professor, a layperson or even a Pope! As far as I know, Justcool has never stated that the contradiction or error he perceives was introduced by the Author Himself. He will be the first person to acknowledge the veracity of the statement I made. So much for coming to the defence of Justcool on that score!

As regards the other points you made alluding to contradictions on my part as well as in the content of the Grail Message, I can only urge you to take some time and re-read what I have written. People seem to hinge their position on the use of the word "afore-mentioned" which actually has very little to do with grasping the import of the passage in question.

Let me use a simplistic analogy to illustrate my point. If something is placed on a conveyor belt which is rolling downward at a steady pace and the system is such that any item that descends to a particular point at the bottom of the conveyor belt will become mashed and no longer useable, it does not matter how the item gets to the bottom of the belt, it will still become mashed. If it continues at a steady pace, perhaps it could take one whole year to get to the bottom. However, if some children decide to use it for target practice and keep throwing stones or darts at the item, it may roll down sooner and will still get mashed when it reaches that defined point at the bottom of the conveyor unless some knowledgeable adult does something to project the item back up to where it was supposed to have reached had the children not tampered with the item.

It seems quite straight-forward and logical. It would appear that when people read the Law about disintegration, they merely focus on the bit that talks about "disintegration of all matter" but do not place equal emphasis on "at a certain point in the great cycle". So, even when talking about a premature disintegration which necessitates purification, the word afore-mentioned (as per the principle already explained in Volume 1, lecture 13) can still be used because the emphasis is on the fact that the defined point in the great cycle has been reached albeit through undesirable increased density!
Anyway, it is left for every individual to take from the Grail Message what s/he wills according to his/her perception.

I still maintain that the notion that any third party may have added or introduced any contradictory word or error to the GM is nothing but unmitigated fallacy! People cannot say in one breath that they believe that one Personality is an Anchorage of Purity and then turn around and say in another breath that this same Personality is a liar!

Everyone can take that statement as it strikes or touches them.

Best wishes.

Anna7:
Justcool

I am sorry for writing your name Mr Nwankwo instead of Mr Justcool in my previous post.

Here it is only a case of using wrong words “aforementioned sporadic” in place of “below mentioned sporadic”, but no contradictions.

However if you have found any other contradictions in the final edition, please let us know.

Warm regards,

Thanks for your comments Anna 7. It would appear that Justcool has already taken his own decision on how he wishes to view the portion of the Grail Message in question. That is his prerogative. However, every decision has consequences, even more so when one allows that decision to affect or influence other human beings who are susceptible to one's guidance and/or direction.

For your benefit and that of others who are still inwardly free to make their own assessment, deductions and conclusions, I would like to make a further clarification on the issue.

The first point to note is that there is no contradiction whatsoever in the entire Grail Message. Any apparent contradiction or error is only due to the inner incapacity or intellectual inadequacy of the individual reader to grasp correctly what is being offered to him. The Bringer of the Grail Message is totally incapable of introducing "error or contradiction" in his Work because he is "Perfection" itself! The notion that any third party may have added or introduced such contradiction is also nothing but unmitigated fallacy!

The second point to note is that the Grail Message is a single Work, though given to mankind of today in three volumes. Therefore a concept introduced in Volume 1 can be referred to as "afore-mentioned" even in Volume 3. The whole concept of "disintegration setting in at a certain point of the great cycle" had been thoroughly explained in the lecture The World (Volume 1, Lecture 13). Hence the Author has admonished readers to go through the entire Message step by step without jumping lectures or passages. The Author expressly states as follows in the Epilogue:
Quote -
"Therefore avoid anything desultory, but fathom each of my words from the beginning, and sentence by sentence. No person is able to exhaust the value of the Message here on earth, for it is intended for all parts of the World. Do not pick out certain passages of the Message at random! It is one whole, indivisible, like God’s Laws of this Creation. No human spirit can alter or distort anything without being harmed in the process. Nor can you introduce anything into it from outside either; you cannot insert anything alien which is more pleasant to you into individual passages, no matter whether it originates from a known teaching or comes from yourselves!
You must leave my Message unchanged from the first to the last word if it is to benefit you! You must first experience it within yourselves so as to form your outward life in accordance with it!"
Unquote. (bold emphasis mine!)

Now to the passage in question (Volume 2, Lecture 52).
While it may help somewhat in attaining clarity, the main issue is really not about the use of the words "afore-mentioned periodic" or "afore-mentioned sporadic", etc. The main point is that the Author is describing a scenario to us and telling us what happens under such a scenario.
The scenario he is describing explains the circumstances that lead to a "purification" taking place!
It is noteworthy that a normal process of disintegration will take place in ALL celestial globes when they reach a certain point in the great cycle (regardless of the condition of the globe or its inhabitants). Such a natural process of disintegration which accords with the Will of the Almighty serves to revert all matter to its primeval substance but this does not entail a purification process! "Purification" only takes place under a situation of over-ripeness of a celestial globe occasioned by the inhabitants not following the Will of the Almighty.

The Author introduces this passage and starts off by saying -
Quote
"The processes in the cycle of the World of Matter indicated here only in broad outline may also produce a few exceptions which, however, are not caused by any changes or distortions in the effective Laws of Creation, but which contain complete and inexorable fulfilment.
In order to avoid errors creeping in I now wish to give a few brief explanations in advance of later lectures where the subject is dealt with
more fully :"
Unquote.
Two things to take note of in this introduction. Firstly, he says the processes in the cycle.....may also produce exceptions ....which remain valid within the Laws of Creation. Secondly, he ends that introduction with a colon ( : ). Anybody with access to the original German text can check it and will find that the colon is also there! What does the colon tell us? Simply that he is about to unfold a scenario which may constitute an exception to the processes in the World of Matter but which nevertheless conforms with the Laws!

The Author then goes ahead to describe a situation whereby the celestial globe is brought to that point in the great cycle (when disintegration automatically sets in) brought there not by normal process of development but through the fact that the human spirits have not been living aright but have contributed to an increase in the density and heaviness of that globe which was not willed by the Light. This increase in density/heaviness forces the globe unto a course that leads to over-ripeness and to the funnel where disintegration takes place!
It is under these circumstances that, through an Act of Grace of the Creator, an Envoy of the Light may be permitted to incarnate in order to strengthen the Power of the Light which then results in a purification taking place to sweep away all that is dark and to pull up the thus blessed globe into more luminous regions so that it passes above the funnel of disintegration and remains in existence!

SINCE THE FOCUS OF THIS LATTER PASSAGE IS ENTIRELY ON THE ISSUE OF "PURIFICATION AND THE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT LEAD TO IT", THERE CAN BE NO QUESTION OF THE STATEMENT ABOUT THE "WRONG DECISIONS OF MAN" BEING ABOUT THE NATURAL/NORMAL/PLANNED DISINTEGRATION PROCESS. THE STATEMENT ABOUT THE WRONG DECISIONS OF MAN IS CLEARLY REFERRING TO WHAT GIVES RISE TO OVER-RIPENESS WHICH THEN NECESSITATES A PURIFICATION IN ORDER TO AVERT A PREMATURE DISINTEGRATION. HENCE THERE IS NO CONTRADICTION WHATSOEVER IN THE STATEMENT CONCERNING THE WRONG DECISIONS OF MAN!

We are further told in this passage that:
".....The compulsory purification connected with the anchoring of the Light is the same as an absolutely new birth!"
In other words, this extraordinary and exceptional Grace which side-steps the cataclysmic process of disintegration, nevertheless produces the desired "new birth" which would have taken thousands of years to accomplish under the normal disintegration process.

What a Revelation! No human being on earth was privy to such deep spiritual knowledge. Hence no human being could fabricate and add this portion to the Grail Message!

Best wishes.

yinkamariam:
I went for an interview in grail land for d post of an audit staff,one of the grail land member own the audit firm,naw he wants to employ us with d condition dat we hv to be reading their book if we wanna work with him,somebody should pls help me out,do I accept d offer or reject?

Your relationship with your Creator is something completely between you and the Lord. No one can ascend to Heaven simply on the basis of what his or her employer asked him to do or not do. It is only what you do out of personal conviction that can guarantee your ascent to the Luminous Heights. Therefore it is wrong for a prospective employer, be he a Crossbearer, Pastor, Imam or Archbishop to compel anyone to read one book or another before granting him or her employment.
As a Crossbearer, it is indeed surprising to learn that anyone would say that to you on Grailland. However, if anyone did get carried away and said that to you, then you should summon the courage to reject the offer and let him know precisely why you are doing so. Let him know that your inner life is private and your conscience cannot be bought with lucre!

Having said all that, let me quickly add that it would do your spiritual life a lot of good if you can make the effort to delve into the Work, In The Light Of Truth - The Grail Message and to tap into the reservoir of spiritual knowledge contained therein for practical application in your day to day activities. This is however only an advice and should not be used as a condition for granting employment!

justcool:
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Hey Justcool.....are you trying to say something with your (.) ? If so, I believe you have my email address!

basille:
Where can i get hardcopy of this book in lagos?

The book "In the Light of Truth" - The Grail Message by Abd-ru-shin is obtainable worldwide through this website:
http://www.alexander-bernhardt.com/liens.asp?langue=ENG

Once you access the website, you can choose your country of residence and contact the appropriate Publishing Partner.

Best wishes.

jeunloo:
pls i need to read it how can i get the book ?

The book "In the Light of Truth" - The Grail Message by Abd-ru-shin is obtainable worldwide through this website:
http://www.alexander-bernhardt.com/liens.asp?langue=ENG

Once you access the website, you can choose your country of residence and contact the appropriate Publishing Partner.

Best wishes.

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Youngzedd:
How did I get here?

Lol....I guess the same way you managed to smuggle yourself to the Earth undeservedly in the first place!

jesscaxt:
This whole grail thing is really heartbreaking and sad.
The devil is using its greatest tool DECEPTION in these times. Just so sad.
But as usual he comes like an angel of light using biblical words to buttress these claims.

The bible was so apt about the devil coming as an angel of light in the last days.
They refer to Jesus and His teachings yet they don't make reference to the bible. Hmnnn
I noticed how that question was evaded when someone asked.
It is well o!
May d Lord help us cos even the very elect will fall in the last days. Na dis kain strong strong almost believable "truth" dem dey use deceive, you go fear na!
1 drop of shit in a bucket of absolutely pure water messes d water up and it can't be seen as pure anymore.
Indeed the road to heaven is narrow and to hell is wide.

Abeg reincarnation people abdrushn don reincarnate? If not when he go reincarnate?
Cos I know that's the next thing now, someone wld wake up and claim he's abdrushn reincarnate, then people go rush there and worship him.

All these laws of creation, universe this and that Wetin dem dey use am do?
Seek the Kingdom of God and His righteousness.
The kingdom of God is righteousness peace and joy in the Holy Ghost!
If we seek that, the Holy spirit of God will direct us to God through Jesus and help us to be righteous and accept the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus and every other thing will follow.

How do we seek the kingdom of God?

Genuine repentance
Prayer
Accepting the finished work of Christ on the cross and salvation and confessing it with your mouth. Accepting Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and saviour and studying the word of God which can be found in the Holy bible inspired by God. There is power and life in those words which will change us and bring alive our spirit man and connect it back to God the true vine and we it's branches. The word of God is Jesus.

We shouldn't seek to do good and be good or purify our thoughts by ourselves cos our righteousness is like filthy rags before God. The bible says all our help cometh from the Lord! Halleluyah!
We need help from Him to have a renewed and pure mind which is pleasing and acceptable to Him, we can never achieve that by ourselves. He has provided that Help with His word which renews us as we study with the Holy Spirit.
Self righteousness will take you to hell! Be warned! Using logic to understand and analyse the things of the spirit is laughable especially when you guys tried to analyse the concept of immaculate conception and tried to use science to explain it that a spirit must have slept with Mary to bear the messiah. It is not for us to know how God went about it afterall when he said let there be light and there was light, did He carry matchstick to create the light or did he grab 2 stones n dry grass and rubbed to get light. The pot wan dey use the brain wey potter give am to analyse the ways of the Potter! Mega Uber laughable.
May the Lord help us all.

May the Lord help YOU!

Orijin101:
During our Sunday school service in church today, this question was being asked by one of our members and it leads to a serious argument. So, I've decided to share the same question with you guys also.

Is it possible to change God's will through prayer?

your opinions are highly welcome.
cc: lalasticlala

The Will of the Almighty is unchangeable, immutable, adamantine and inexorable. These may sound like big words but the long and short of it is: The Will of the Almighty cannot be changed because it has been woven into this Creation since it came into existence and will remain the same for as long as Creation remains in existence. The Will of the Almighty expresses itself on earth in the form of fundamental Laws which we tend to take for granted. Theses Laws of Creation include Law of Sowing and Reaping, Law of Homogeneity, Law of Motion, Law of Spiritual Gravity, Law of Giving and Receiving, etc. These Laws never change and they are the same Laws that operate in the Spiritual realm as well as in the Divine Realm....hence they are referred to as Divine Laws. No amount of prayer, petitioning or pleading can prevent any of these laws from taking effect!
What most people describe as the Will of the Creator in their lives are nothing but the effects or consequences of their own past actions. These past actions need not have taken place in this earth-life but the seeds could have been sown in a previous earth-life. Nevertheless, the sower must of necessity taste of the fruits of his sowing through experiencing. Many a time, these consequences can be diminished in strength or even symbolically redeemed by employing the power of good volition. This entails sowing fresh good seeds which can blossom with such strength as to mitigate or outweigh the returning consequences of some past evil deed. This is the path of reformation which can lead to the forgiveness of one's sins. Also, a fervent prayer, sent upwards in purity and humility, can help a petition reach that level where it can make contact with the Power which can enable the request to be granted or realised. It is noteworthy that these 'consequences' which may be mitigated or averted from taking full effect through prayer or good volition were not necessarily the "Will of the Creator" for the individual in the first place but merely the fruits of their own sowing...hence the results of the 'Will of Man'. This possibility to mitigate the returning effect of our past action is only an expression of the Love of the Almighty but does not change the Creator's Original Will for Peace, Love and Orderly Development of His Creation and its inhabitants.
This Will of the Almighty Creator, however, has been woven into Creation from the beginning of time and continues to run its course in the lives of men with adamantine precision and regularity. This Will is unchanging and unchangeable....it is also no respecter of persons, their wishes or desires!

aGerald:
Substances of the same species are impassable? Yes.

Surely, that is a generalisation which may not hold true in every situation. Our physical body is gross-material just as brick or water are also gross-material....while our physical body cannot go through a brick wall, we are able to swim in rivers and use water for many things.. So, the form of the species would dictate whether they are passable or not. I think it is safer to say that substances of the same species can 'interact' while substances that are of different species cannot interact or have direct interplay!

aGerald:
happens when a man walks towards a soul in the beyond that is exactly opposite him? There are two things involved:
1. Either the soul passes through him as we see in movies, or
2. The man that still has his physical body, in addition to his ethereal body, pushes away the soul. After all, substances of the same species are impassable (notice that the on-earth man has an ethereal body too)

On earth here we have things called walls, fences, etc. In the ethereal world, we can have walls and fences too.

Now what if a man on earth is walking towards an ethereal wall in the beyond? Will he pass through it or will the wall be destroyed?!
He need not be intuitively perceptive!
He need not be spiritually active!
He still has an ethereal body within him, so will that ethereal body pass through the wall or destroy it?!

It is noteworthy that 'ethereal matter' and 'gross matter' are different species even though they are both matter. As they are basically different species, they can never blend with each other. However, each individual species of matter produces its own definite radiation which blends with the radiations of the other species to which it is connected. This brings us to the significance of Radiations and Exchange of radiations!
I believe that the issue of the 'different radiations' produced by the 'different species' is what you have not taken into consideration in the scenario you have painted.
In my view, the ethereal-man or any ethereal product/object in the beyond cannot block or injure the earth-man simply because the earth-man carries an inner ethereal cloak within. The exchange of radiations and interaction between the inner ethereal cloak and the ethereal-man cannot override the barrier of their inhabiting two different spheres of Creation to the point of constituting an impassable impediment for either party. Furthermore, the physical body/cloak that the earth-man is opportuned to possess constitutes a protection and defence apparatus for his inner cloaks while he still sojourns in the gross-material sphere. The situation would of course be different if the earth-man were to abandon this physical protection as noted in my last post.

A re-reading of the lecture "Gross Matter, Ethereal Matter, Radiations, Space and Time " would be of help ....assuming you have already got that far in your reading. I would also suggest reading the "Epilogue: How the Message Should Be Absorbed" as this provides some guidance on how to pace one's reading as well as modulate the quest for knowledge.
I wish you continued Strength!

aGerald:
There is one lecture; I think 'Departed this life' where the man touches his wife's body, but she couldn't feel it. Notice that the man's hand didn't pass through the wife's ethereal body. So assuming the man brought an ethereal object and hit the woman:
1. She will not feel it
2. It won't pass through her (because after all the man's hand couldn't)
But since we are surrounded by the ethereal world, it means that there are lots of object around us, say an ethereal dagger. Why do we pass through this dagger, or any object at all and nothing happens?

Let us start off by noting the following passage to be found in the lecture "Errors".....
"Now just as here our physical body is sensitive to its surroundings of a homogeneous nature, which it can therefore see, hear and feel, so is it exactly the same in those parts of Creation whose consistency is not like ours. The ethereal man in the so-called beyond feels, hears and sees only his homogeneous ethereal environment; the higher spiritual man again can only feel his spiritual environment".

It is also worth noting the following from "Departed This Life".....
".....The man who in his life on earth refuses to acknowledge that there is also life after death, and that sooner or later he will be forced to render account for all that he has done and all that he has left undone, is blind and deaf when he one day has to pass over into the Ethereal World.
Only during the days and weeks while he still remains connected with his discarded physical body will he be able partially to observe what goes on around him. However, once he is free from his disintegrating physical body this possibility is lost to him!"
End of Quote.

Now to the case you cited. The account states that: " ...the woman, who like him never gave a thought to the existence of anything beyond the physical body, therefore cannot feel his touch upon her ethereal body".

I would venture to suggest that a plausible reason why the woman could not feel the man 'shaking her shoulder vigorously' is because, like him, she is also psychically obtuse and may be destined for a similar fate as what her husband was already going through. Otherwise, she might have had some sensing of discomfort of some sort, even though she may not know the exact cause of it. Unfortunately, the majority of today's so-called 'civilised and intellectually astute' humanity are destined to undergo a similar experience, due to the neglect of the ever-present spiritual impulse!

Lastly, it is worth noting that the various cloaks serve to protect the inner man from the harsher surroundings in which it finds itself during its descent from plane to plane. While we carry the various cloaks within us, it is the outermost cloak that is most sensitive to the environment in which we are obliged to sojourn while the other inner cloaks remain protected. However, if the protection of the outermost cloak is abandoned as in the dangerous practice of 'soul travel', then it is possible that a man's ethereal body may be attacked which could result in physical death.

Perhaps other posters who are Readers or Adherents of the Grail Message may provide a more detailed insight and/or explanations on the topic you raised!

aGerald:
And also, since ethereal bodies cannot pass through ethereal objects just as a physical body cannot pass through a physical object (according to the Grail message), if an ethereal wall is in front of a man (with his physical body) how can he then pass through that invisible ethereal wall as if nothing is there? Doesn't he have an ethereal body inside him? Why didn't the wall prevent him from passing through?

Which incident or occurrence are you referring to and which personality was involved?