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@ Deep Sight

You know you make me laugh sometimes . There are no secrets at all but everyone has to bestir himself who seeks knowledge, be it spiritual or otherwise. I have shared with you the source of the knowledge which crossbearers share and how YOU can go about acquiring it yourself. However, you want someone to spoon feed you with everything without any effort on your part. Well, that will never happen, not from me anyway!

If you ever get round to getting yourself a copy of the Grail Message, please do not fail to read the lecture "Indolence of the Spirit". You can glean many things from there!
Best wishes

Hello Justcool.
On another subject entirely. As you know, there are a number of topics on which even crossbearers have differing views and perceptions. One of them concerns the Millennium. I just read your post which you made sometime in 2008 (pls, I am not a web crawler! ).
You stated as follows:
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" Quite an interesting article. It is encouraging to see that everyday science goes closer to believing in life after death, ie comfirming it as a scientific fact. There are so many documentaries presented on TV about this issue of life after death and near death experience, a lot of people are really fascinated about the issue. Also, in such documentaries, there are always scientists(medical doctors and nurses) who declare their conviction in life after death, this conviction is always as a result of their experiences in the death chamber.

Seeing TV programs like "Most haunted, Paranormal state, and Ghost hunters " where they claim to detect the presence of the departed souls with very fine scientific instruments; all these show that science is getting closer to acknowledging the existence of the beyond and the soul. I believe that in a not-so-far-away future, everybody on earth will be convinced of the existence of the beyond and the continuation of live after death, which will inturn bring a universal belief in the existence of God.
We are definitely heading towards the Millennium!" Unquote.

I wonder, is it that we are heading towards the Millennium or we are actually in the Millennium? Or do you consider it inappropriate to go into the subject on this forum? If you think the latter, I will understand!

Please respond only at your convenience.
Regards.

@ Speer

Please note that even now there are several publications that are available which may be of help to you in your quest for the attainment of recognition. These include:
- Questions & Answers by Abd-ru-shin
- Ten Commandments of God & The Lord's Prayer by Abd-ru-shin
- PRAYERS by Abd-ru-shin
- Past Eras Awaken Volumes 1,2 and 3
- Life and Work of the Forerunners EPHESUS, BUDDHA, ZOROASTER, LAO-TSE and MOHAMMED
- Lectures in the Proximity to Abd-ru-shin by Dr Kurt Illig.

You may be able to obtain the above-listed books by accessing the Book Store for your country of residence through the link http://shop.alexander-bernhardt.com/

I wish you continued Strength!
Regards.

@ Speer

The lecture you referred to is from a Grail publication titled Admonitions. Before his passing, Abd-ru-shin arranged his Grail Message into three volumes and 'Admonitions'. As a serious reader of the Grail Message, I have no doubt that you would soon be in a position to procure it.
I have sent you an email message.
Best wishes.

@ Justcool

As always, your perceptions are very deep and enlightening. Thanks again for taking the time and trouble to deepen people's understanding of these issues. Everything you stated agrees with my line of thinking and perception. Many a time, questions are posed not because one has not reached his/her own conviction on the issue but so that the answers, coming from another respected party, would help clarify matters for others who are in need of such clarity.

Thanks also for the advice about 'Admonitions' which I was aware of but simply could not resist the urge to use that one quote to clarify M_Nwankwo's position regarding Atheists and the Additional Help from the Light, as I believe he is a crossbearer. However, your point is noted and well taken.
Regards.

justcool: @ all

A spirit who has absorbed the Love of God (The concentrated power of God) cannot be so weak as not to be able sense that there is a God.

Wow! Justcool, you were really 'hot' in all your postings last night/early this morning! The examples you give to illustrate your points are just out of this world. Only he who is totally incapable of perceiving in pictures would not grasp the point with such vivid pictures that you paint. Many thanks for your effort to bring clarity to these issues!

Now, the comment highlighted above is of interest to me as it really serves as a pointer to the inner state of men generally.
My question is this, can a spirit who has absorbed the Love of the Almighty and therefore truly senses HIS existence, refuse to confess and affirm HIS existence in Prayer & Worship? I know we also worship through deeds (i.e. our thoughts, words and actions) but I'm talking about that solemn Worship of the Almighty which is an expression of reverence, adoration and veneration of the Almighty. Is this something inevitable for the spirit that has truly attained the recognition and awareness of the existence of the Almighty? Or is this something that is merely intellectually-willed by man?

I would appreciate it if you could share your perceptions on this.
Regards and stay blessed.

@ M_Nwankwo

Thanks for taking the trouble to respond. Your position regarding atheists vis-a-vis additional Help from the Light is much clearer to me now. However, let me cite a passage to you from 'Ethereal Briars'. Here it goes:
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"...With a thousandfold ramifications and branchings, yet ever following the urge of the fundamental Law, the radiations of the strengthening and thus also healing Light are woven into Subsequent Creation, waiting for the creature to use them! They are not in the human spirit, much less in the human body itself, but outside it. The human spirit must seek the connection and open itself for the receiving in the right way, which is best achieved by deep and earnest prayer.

As the help in the Light always lies ready for the human spirit if it wishes to open itself to it, many a person will find a little help through opening himself by some method which he has taught himself. Wherever such help has been given, there have been moments of such intuitive perception in a human spirit as truly correspond with the Laws of Creation, so that the link with the help could be established. The person needs not have been aware in the earthly sense of this intuitive perception, for it is a purely spiritual happening which very often goes unnoticed by the earthly intellect. The impulse of a moment is enough for this. And therewith the help from the Light was set in motion, because the Laws that exist for this purpose will never be overthrown! They are fulfilled even though a person is unconscious of it.
The occultist, however, perceives nothing of this; he firmly believes that he has really achieved it by his suggestion alone, or by auto-suggestion!
Here he deludes himself, for help will never come to him when an even stronger power is needed than that which lies ever ready within Creation.

For then a special Act of Will of the Light must first set in from above to strengthen the current of Power! And this can only come about as the consequence of a truly fervent prayer, of a request that arises from conviction of the Omnipotence and Love of God!" End of Quote.

Now, from the above, it seems to me that the atheist is in the same position as the occultist who is unable to access the 'stronger power than that which lies ever ready in Creation'. Correct me if I am wrong but I do not think that any atheist (be s/he an intellectual or spiritual atheist according to your classification) engages in any 'truly fervent prayer' to a God s/he does not believe exists. So, how does he invoke that Special Act of Will of the Light that is needed to strengthen the current of power? So, whichever way one looks at it, ALL atheists cut themselves off from that 'addtional Help' by virtue of the inability to confess or admit the Omnipotence of the Creator, Whom they cannot call upon in humility and with conviction at their hour of need!

I look forward to any rejoinders.
Best wishes

@ M_Nwankwo

You wrote quite a bit in your last post that at the end I was not quite sure what your position really is. I am sure the fault is mine for misreading your post. However, I want to be quite clear so that I do not misrepresent you.
Now, I suppose you are conversant with the words "When the need is greatest, God's help is nearest to you". Let me cite a passage for you so as to be certain whether your position is different or in agreement.
Here it goes:
"...However, these words are not intended for all mankind as the promise that they are. They must not be taken one-sidedly, with the desire only to receive, as is mostly the case with men, but the words also impose a condition!
They speak of God, which assumes that they are meant for those human beings who believe in God and in His Help, His Power. An atheist would shut himself off from this help from the Light!
Just consider for once the lawfulness that takes effect in these events. It is not difficult to recognise it clearly.
He who truly believes in God and in His All-Holy Will, in the right form and way, will not malevolently and wantonly act contrary to the Laws of God. Thereby the way for God's help will always remain open to him!"

I look forward to your response.
Best wishes.

@ Deep Sight

Well, I have read the exchange between you and M_Nwankwo and it does not change anything of what I stated earlier.
To believe in Jesus is to believe in and practise his Message of Love. However you have to understand what that message of love is. It is not that sensual feeling of affection that human beings call love but the Higher Love which is the same as Justice and is bound up with the Laws of Creation. So basically, Love and Justice are bound together and manifest in the Laws of Creation which are no respecter of persons, be you Christian, Buddhist, Atheist or whatever. So, to understand the true message of Love you have to understand the working of the Laws of Creation. It is the understanding of these laws that the Grail Message sought to explain and guide us into.

Besides the above, there is also Power in the name, whether you believe it or not. Hence the second Commandment of God given through Moses states that "THOU SHALL NOT TAKE THE NAME OF THE LORD THY GOD IN VAIN". It is not for nothing that the commandment was given. The name awakens and gathers the concept in man! Whoever dishonours a name and dares to debase it, thereby debases the concept!

The Grail Message is widely available depending on your location. I suggest you check out the link below and from there you can access the Book Store for your country of residence:
http://shop.alexander-bernhardt.com/index.php?page=index&x77939=dbebd442d61e57b70e115ec80ba82c96

In addition to this, there are Grail Circles & Grail Centres in many cities of the world and there are helpers who are willing to guide those who are desirous of reading the Message in a language of their mother tongue in a Reader's Forum.
Best wishes.

@ Deep Sight
The answer to that question is subjective. There are millions of moslems who would say he is not and even more millions of buddhists and animists who do not accept that he is. Not to mention hundreds of millions of atheists who do not even believe in the existence of God, talkless of His Son. I daresay not all those millions will go to Hell but at the time that is right for them they will come to the recognition of the Truth either here or in the hereafter.

So, if your perception is that he is, then for you he is and you would reap the benefit of his Power when you call on his name. If however you inwardly do not accept that he is, then his power cannot reach you either. It is exactly the same with belief or disbelief in the existence of God. The Power of the Almighty cannot flow into soil that is antagonistic to it. That is how everybody receives his/her sentence - it has to do with his/her inner state and conviction or lack of it.

You, of course, would want Crossbearers to come out and announce who Abd-ru-shin, the Author of the Grail Message is, his spiritual identity, his relationship to the Almighty, etc. Of what use would that be to you or anybody else? He actually did that himself while earth but all he got for his trouble was persecution, imprisonment and prohibition of his Work. That is always the reaction of the Darkness and its minions to anything that is of the Light.
So, if you are truly seeking, pick up the book, dig into it and you will come to your own recognitions by yourself and that is what will carry conviction for you which will help you at the hour of need. There is no point in asking me about my conviction because that is MINE and it will not do YOU any good. If I sense that you are truly seeking, I may provide some guidance and pointers or share my perceptions but I cannot teach you anything because I , myself, am continually evolving in my perceptions. I hope you now see why the Grail Message cannot be taught by anybody - it is LIVING!

In regard to the Message, Abd-ru-shin had this to say:
"....I pointed out that readers should heed only the Word Itself, and not Its Bringer. To examine the Works seriously and to accept only what each one for himself, with genuine conviction, can recognise as right is my special advice, because only on such a basis can benefit arise for him...."

I think you should take the above words to heart.
Best wishes.

Deep Sight: You would not be hesitant to teach openly the simple and most important truths, would you?

Thank you for your comments Deep Sight. Please note that the Grail Message cannot be taught. No Crossbearer sets out to teach anybody the Grail Message. Every serious seeker takes from it what s/he is able to inwardly identify with or leaves it alone if s/he finds nothing in it.
Best wishes

Deep Sight: LOL, this is actually funny. Very helpful it is indeed, when you snobbishly decide not to "go to far" and not to say too much "in an open forum" and then talk about "the last most sacred fulfillment", which of course, must also perhaps be kept a secret from the public who are knaves, no?

Very helpful indeed.

Hahahahahaha! I actually find your own comments quite funny as well. Anyway, I would refer you to a statement which Justcool gave in response to Speer's question above, which sums things up quite nicely:

"Therefore be careful with what you teach your descendants. You will be held accountable for whatever you teach people. Even everything you write in the Nairaland forum; you must one day face the consequences".

I do not want to misguide anyone on this forum, neither do I want to overload anyone's faculties as I do not know who is reading the posts and how far they have gone in their reading of the Grail Message. I therefore think it better to err on the side of caution!
Best wishes.

justcool: @Deep Sight


Good observation!
I have more questions to add to the above; please anybody can answer this questions.

(1) Was the document in question written for the entire mankind? Was not the Grail Message Abd-ru-shin's legacy to mankind? Who was this document written to. Is this document in regards to business or spiritual mandate?

(2) Does the document in any way annul anything written in the Grail message? What does the Grail Message say about joint gathering or union of crossbearers?

(3) What does the Grail Message tell us about Maria and Irmingard?

Thanks and remain blessed.

Hello Justcool. I believe that the second part of the question posed in (2) is addressed in the following passage from the Grail Message:

"...Go out and learn and you will soon recognise where you are offered the true bread of life!
Above all make use of the joint gatherings as hours for the solemn worship of God. But do express Divine service in the entire activity of your being, in life itself; for it is with this that you shall serve your Creator, thankful and jubilant for the grace of being allowed to exist!
Make everything you think and do into a service to God! Then it will bring you that peace which you long for. And even if people harass you severely, be it through envy, malice or base habits, you bear peace within yourselves forever, and this will finally help you to overcome all difficulties!"

With regard to question (3), I noted earlier in this thread that a 'Spark of Unsubstantiality' was sunk into Irmingard. Without going too far in an open forum (where various readers should be allowed to come to certain recognitions through their own effort), it is further noted in the Grail Message that the Triad of Justice, Love and Purity work together in Creation in the last, most sacred fulfilment.
Hope this is of some help.
Regards.

Well, I'm glad something at least makes sense to you. That bit alone is enough justification for your friend to have denied you access to some of his books, an action which I'm sure you now appreciate. So some progress has been made!
Regards.

Deep Sight: ...However same friend took it upon himself to adjudge my spiritual readiness for other works by the author, and as such went to great lengths to prevent me from accessing them from him - until I managed to start procuring them myself. I think it is presumptuous for you or any adherent of the Message to take it upon himself to determine who you will disclose information to, and who you would not.

Are you keeping anything secret from the public?

Hello Deep Sight. Thanks for your comments. I understand perfectly what informed those comments but I wish to disabuse your mind about the motive for withholding certain information being to maintain secrecy for the sake of it, or to be condescending towards seekers.

Firstly, from my experience, the key thing that makes the Grail Message unique and special is that nobody tells you what to believe or what you must accept. The Message simply states the Will of God in Creation and it is up to each person to weigh and examine what has been given and see if it strikes a chord of truth within him or not. Everything has to do with the individual's personal recognition and the individual is encouraged to use his God-given intuitive faculty to inwardly perceive what is true and what is not. He thereby comes to recognition gradually through inner experiencing. What he then accepts as being true, he is able to hold on to with unbending conviction.

This is not the case when everything is handed to you without any effort on your part. Most people do not appreciate things unless they have to expend some effort to acquire it. This applies to information, knowledge and what have you. Also, when you have to figure things out through inner experiencing, there is a certain joy that comes with it when recognition finally dawns on you. No one should be denied the joy that comes from such personal recognition!

Secondly, the Bringer of the Message himself has arranged the Work in such a way that knowledge is diffused to the spirit of man gradually and progressively so as not to overload him through premature exposure which may end up straining his delicate faculties. The lectures are arranged in sequence and are meant to be read in sequence in order to facilitate clear understanding as well as spiritual absorption. If your friend sees you trying to jump lectures or to read Volume 3 of the Message before you have even completed Volume 1, it would be right for him to caution you or even deny you access to it. Such action is only to help you and not to be secretive for the sake of it.

In the quotation you cited, I simply used the word 'Prince' because I considered that mentioning his name would be a premature release of information concerning his identity. The information is there for the earnest seeker but the seeker needs to find what he is seeking by expending some effort of his own. Only then will he appreciate what he has found and be prepared to defend what he has laboured to find with everything he has. It might sound hard but it is the best help for the spirit!
Regards and stay blessed.

m_nwankwo: ... What is in dispute is whether the Grail Movement is according to the will of GOD. I maintain that like all sects, it is not the will of GOD to form movements around the truth or truth bringers.I do not make any distinction between the Grail movement and any other church, sect or religion that is formed around the truth or truth bringers.


...... What I trying to convey is that Grail Message, and Grail acts stands independent of the Grail Movement. I do not believe that the calling of Maria and Irmingard had anything to do with "nurturing and sustaining" the Grail Movement. Abdrushin did not come to earth to establish a movement, it is not part of his mission. Neither is it the mission of Irmingard and Maria to "nurture, sustain or establish" the Grail Movement. My own personal experience of the events at that time is that like Abdrushin both Maria and Irmingard should not lead or be part of any movement or sect.

Well, I believe that nobody on earth, past or present, is in a position to know the Will of God better than the Trigon of Abd-ru-shin, Maria and Irmingard. I therefore think a little humility and modesty is called for when discussing these matters!

Further on in the quotation I cited earlier, Abd-ru-shin himself reportedly stated as follows:

"....Since I cannot therefore bind myself to the associations, while indeed recognising their beneficial result for many an individual, I created out of the necessity for me to remain alone 'Der Ruf' as mediator between all readers and associations. In it they are given the opportunity to exchange information and wishes. Space will always be kept available for these purposes free of charge. May 'Der Ruf' awaken many souls, bring enlightenment, and with it peace and progress, to all serious seekers!"

If Abd-ru-shin himself stated that he recognised the beneficial result of the Associations for many an individual, then who are we to say it is contrary to the Will of God? Are we in a position know the Will of God better than him?

Of course, you are quite right in saying that the Grail Message stands on its own. There is no question about that whatsoever. One who accepts the Grail Message as the Word of Truth does not have to be a part of the Grail Movement.
The Grail Acts were instituted by Abd-ru-shin himself while on earth. The Disciples/Apostles and other Called Ones are spiritually chosen to mediate the 'Power' to those who ask for it. Note that I said 'spiritually chosen' not appointed or elected by men on the basis of erudition or being scholarly brilliant. Again no-one is compelled to recognise or accept those who have been so chosen to mediate this Power. Everyone is free to go his/her own way as s/he pleases.

The possibility of participating in Grail Acts, joining others in a co-ordinated effort in the Spread of the Message and affording Crossbearers the opportunity of interaction and mutual exchange of perceptions are the activities that those who choose to be part of the 'Grail Movement' undertake to do. Joining the Grail Movement is not an avowal of the Grail Message. Indeed there are many who have embraced the Message but are not part of any Grail Movement but that is not to say that the Movement does not have its beneficial aspects or that it is against the Will of God.

Again, the short-comings and character faults of men which manifest in vanity, conceit or inordinate ambition to be famous or to be well-regarded among peers, etc are a universal occurrence in all human endeavours and interactions. This cannot and should not be allowed to prevent/abort a serious volition from being transformed into deed. To allow this is to give victory to the Darkness and its minions who never wish for anything good or noble to take root and blossom.
Regards and stay blessed.

@ M_Nwankwo

The Grail Movement definitely existed during the time of Abd-ru-shin on earth. The reason for his refusal to lead the Associations had also been given in the cited quotation. Furthermore, what he had to say about the Grail Movement in answer to Question 7 in "Questions and Answers By Abd-ru-shin" was certainly not a condemnation or a disavowal. The Grail Movement was also actively nurtured and sustained by Maria and Irmingard who were part of the Trigon and who dedicated their lives to the furtherance of the Work of Abd-ru-shin.

Having noted the above, one should hasten to add that in any endeavour where human beings are involved, there will always be disagreements on points of view, perceptions, etc. This is inevitable. However, these are not good enough reasons to throw away the baby with the bath-water!

Finally, I would advise every serious seeker and reader of the Grail Message to also read the book (Questions & Answers) in addition to reading the Grail Message itself as the answers given to various questions provide a succinct summary of the concepts explained in the Grail Message. Readers resident in the UK can obtain a copy through this link:
http://www.gapc-uk.org/questionsandanswers.php

I wish you all Strength!

@ Justcool

Hello Justcool. Thought I should seize the opportunity of this Bank Holiday to put down the perception about Lucifer that I promised in my last post. Here it goes:

That which was able to take on form first in the Divine Substantiate was the Primordial Queen Elizabeth, Who is also the Primordial Queen of Womanhood. Next we have the Archangels and the Primordial Queen Elizabeth contributes in the formation of the Archangels. These are designated as the four columns of the Throne of GOD. The Archangels take on male form and have wings which swing totally and completely in the Will of the Almighty. The Archangels are flaming columns that swing down and upwards again. The Primordial Queen's activity is directed downwards and that of the Archangels upwards. The Archangels swing completely in the Will of the Almighty and their activity is directed completely to the Almighty.

When we hear of the Archangels, e.g. Gabriel or Michael being in Creation, it is not them but their radiation. They remain in their place swinging totally in the Will of the Almighty in a flaming column.

For this instance, let us see Lucifer as a radiation of Light which was sent down from Divine Substantiate.

Now, in Divine Substantiate, there is also Spiritual Substantiate. One can picture a strong radiation of Light sent from the Divine Substantiate to Subsequent Creation. The spirit-germs in Subsequent Creation were stagnant. This stagnation took place in gross matter. The substantiate (animistic) beings in exixtence at that time, seen as gods by the spirits, could not set these stagnant spirits in motion. Even the Fore-runners were not able to get the indolent spirit-germs into motion. Help was needed and as such a strong radiation of Light was sent from the Divine Substantiate as a help. Lucifer was this radiation of Light to penetrate Subsequent Creation in order to get these spirits swinging in the Will of the Almighty. The name Lucifer means Bringer of Light.

This Light radiation was able to penetrate Subsequent Creation and as it has spiritual in it, so in Subsequent Creation it became spiritual. Lucifer came as a direct radiation but he did not go through all the intervening planes and he came outside Subsequent Creation. He could thus influence the spirits in Subsequent Creation. Because of his distance from the Divine, Lucifer developed his own volition whereby he wanted to take charge contrary to the nature of an Angel which is to just carry out but not to be the one to determine. As such, he developed his own personal volition while the spirit-germs also had their own personal volition, therefore as the strongest he could influence these spirit-germs' volition. As a result, Lucifer lost the Divine Substantiate radiation connection which he had and became the strongest spirit.

It is further noted that volitions can take form. In the case of Lucifer, first his volition took on form as the monster in the Book of Revelations, as the Antichrist and also as the form of sin. When in the Book of Revelations the picture is transmitted that the child in the lap of the Queen of Heaven was attacked, this took place in the Primordial Spiritual plane. The monster was Lucifer and Archangel Michael was sent down to fight this monster and expel him fron the seven heavens which is to say from the Primordial Creation and Creation. From then, Lucifer's influence could be felt in Subsequent Creation. This anger that Lucifer had because of his banishment he concentrated on the human spirits. Lucifer was thrown into the abyss and the Antichrist and the animal (sin) were killed. The forms that the volition of Lucifer took on could be killed by Parsifal. Lucifer himself could not be killed by Parsifal. Parsifal could only bind and banish him. Parsifal could not kill Lucifer since Lucifer is eternal. The reason for Lucifer's eternal life is explained through the logical understanding of the nature of the radiations of God. As long as God is in existence, His eternal radiations are eternal and unavoidable. These rays emanating from God that are unavoidable and eternal gave rise to the existence of the Archangels. Lucifer came into existence out of the volition of an Archangel and as such will remain eternal so long as the radiation of God remain.

So much for the perception I spoke about. As I had noted previously, this has not originated from me but is from a source that I consider sacrosanct but not infallible. Readers are therefore enjoined to examine what has been written thoroughly with their intuition. I have no doubt Justcool, M_Nwankwo and a few others will do just that in any case!
Regards and stay blessed.

m_nwankwo: Thus although the initial volition of those who formed the various movements around the Grail Message was to spread the Grail Message, it did not take long for personal ideas to take foothold and turn the various "Grail" sects into religions. My own perception is that not even one of the various movements formed around the Grail Message are accordingly to the will of GOD. All of them will disintegrate from within.

@ m nwankwo

Thanks for sharing the above perceptions which I view and respect as your personal decision as to the way of proceeding. However, for the benefit of readers in general, I wish to note that Abd-ru-shin (the Author of the Grail Message) permitted Crossbearers to congregate around his person and he also instituted forms of worship which he personally presided over during Hours of Worship & Grail Festivals while he was on earth. Had these actions been totally contrary to the Laws of God, he certainly would not have encouraged them. He would simply have recorded his Message and kept everyone at a distance.

The following also shows an excerpt from the Forward to a Periodical which Abd-ru-shin reportedly issued in 1927:
"....In many places, "Independent Associations devoted to the thoughts of my lectures" are being formed, in order by working together to delve ever more deeply into the Truths of the great Creation, thereby also to recognise the Will of the Creator aright.
Although I joyfully hail the associations, I nevertheless cannot lead them nor can I take part in them.......
I must be, and remain, free in what I have to say!".

Would he have joyfully hailed the Associatios if their formation were contrary to the laws of God? Certainly not!

Also, Irmingard the Pure Lily (a part of the Trigon in whom an 'Unsubstantiate Spark' had been sunk) left Crossbearers with a legacy that was summed up as follows: "Stand together, serve together, thank GOD the Lord". This legacy certainly does not negate the idea of working together in a Group or Movement towards the achievement of a shared spiritual goal.

I believe that what is definitely not advisable is for an individual to abandone his/her own two limbs for crutches in the form of over-reliance or over-dependence on other people or organisations in the quest for spiritual development.
Regards and stay blessed.

@Speer

Hello and thanks for your question. There is so much I can tell you from my 'experiencing' about the Mountain in Vomperberg but it may not do you or anyone else much good since the experiencing has not been yours. I hope you understand what I mean. So, I have to remain quite objective in what I say about it so as not to deny you the joy of coming to your own recognition through personal experiencing.

The place that is referred to as the Mountain of Salvation is located in Vomperberg, Austria and this was where Abd-ru-shin together with Maria and Irmingard (the Trigon) lived during the years 1928 to 1938. During the years 1923 to 1937, all the lectures that together resulted in the Work: 'In the Light of Truth - the Grail Message' by Abd-ru-shin came into being. Hence the bulk of the Work was received and written by Abd-ru-shin while living at this location. After his passing in 1941, his earthly cloak was transferred to the Mountain and is currently buried there in a vault beneath a Pyramid.

On the Mountain in Vomperberg there is a Temple where Sunday Hours of Worship as well as Grail Festivals are held three times a year (May, September and December) for Crossbearers who wish to participate. Non-crossbearers can visit the Mountain and tour its grounds if they so wish. Readers of the Grail Message (on the recommendation of a Crossbearer) can also be permitted to participate in a Seeker's Hour of Worship in the Temple if s/he so requests.
There are Grail Circles in many cities of the world where Representatives of the Mountain are always at hand to guide interested persons on how to link up with the Mountain in order to realise whatever may be the individual's desire.

Why is it the Mountain of Salvation? That is the recognition that each individual has to come to by himself as it has to be borne out of inner/personal experiencing and conviction.

From your exchange with Justcool I know you are reading the Grail Message, so I can only wish you continued strength!
Regards and stay blessed.

@ Justcool

Hello Justcool. You will not believe how elated I was to see that you had found time to respond to the questions I posted a couple of months ago. Many thanks for taking the time from your busy schedule. Just as you did last Dec / Jan, I had also been away in Nigeria for about three weeks during which I did not have access to internet services - they kept saying no network, no network in my area. However, I had a hunch that the reply would be waiting for me and Bingo, I came back Tuesday 30th to find it. Your efforts are most appreciated!

On the issue of the Mountain of Salvation, it is good that you decided to share your perceptions on it. I must say I share your views totally on the subject and I agree with everything you said including the example you used to illustrate the point. Crossbearers who read your post cannot fail to grasp the full import of your comments! As you know, only that which we have experienced personally are we able to defend from deep within us. Some amongst us have read the Grail Message but have not experienced it, hence such people cannot defend the Grail Message out of their owm personal conviction. Similarly, he who has truly experienced the Mountain of Salvation will always strive to defend, protect and support it as well as seek to maintain a connection with it (albeit inwardly) while in the earthly cloak. One hopes that those amongst us who have a different perception may yet have a re-think as so many have been doing lately!

On the subject of Lucifer, I am still digesting and reflecting on all that's been said. There are also some perceptions which I have on good authority (i.e. from a source that I consider sacrosanct, though not infallible) which I would like to run past you at a later date. However there is no substantial deviation from the perspective you have already shared but perhaps a slight expansion of view. This I would like to bring up later if I may. I'm still trying to recover from the overnight flight!
Regards and stay blessed.

Hello Justcool,
It is now 5 WEEKS since we heard from you on this forum! That is way too long for someone like you to keep away as so many people look forward to your postings because of the deep insights you bring to every issue. Please find time to write a few words even if you do not have the time to address some of the questions posed by enquirers comprehensively as you always aim to do.
We miss you Justcool. May the Lord continue to grant you wisdom with which to guide your readers on this forum.
Is your book out yet? When can those of us in the UK expect to get hold of a copy?
Stay blessed!

Justcool, thanks ever so much for taking the time and trouble to respond to our issues and to share your very insightful perceptions. It is indeed a privilege to have come across your writings in this Forum.

1.) Going by your comments on Lucifer and his mission, one could surmise that Lucifer never in fact left the Divine Realm but only sent out his volition to the various planes as and when this was desired. Obviously, as a Being that could not exercise a Will of his own at that height, the Order to send out the Volition could only have come from the Godhead. Would this be a correct assumption? Can one credit any of the Archangels that we have heard spoken of (Oriel/Gabriel/Michael/Ezechiel/Rafael/Ariel/Ephraim) with having been mandated to help with the development of the human intellect? Do we know which of the Archangels was so mandated? Or is Lucifer himself simply a volition of an Archangel?

2.) What should be the advice to Seekers who wish to take the next step on the path, having come to recognition of the Word of Truth? Should this be simply to read the Message and do their utmost to apply it in their private lives? Or is it advantageous for them to be part of an organisation which affords exchange/sharing of perceptions as well as engaging in a co-ordinated activity geared towards the spread of the Message? Is there a role for the Mountain of Salvation in all this?

Thanks in advance of your response.

kamalahmed: MR. LANDLORD

ACCORDING TO THE TENANCY LAW, (ALTHOUGH AM NOT A LAWYER) BUT AM INFORMED PERSON. THANK GOD FOR EDUCATION. SO:

1. A TENANT PAYING FOR 1YEAR MUST BE GIVEN 6MONTHS WRITTEN NOTICE WITHOUT PAY. PLS UNDERLINE THIS (WRITTEN NOTICE)
2. A TENANT PAYING FOR 6MONTHS MUST BE GIVEN 3MONTHS WRITTEN NOTICE WITHOUT PAY. PLS UNDERLINE THIS (WRITTEN NOTICE)
3. A TENANT PAYING FOR 3MONTHS MUST BE GIVEN 1.5 MONTHS WRITTEN NOTICE WITHOUT PAY. PLS UNDERLINE THIS (WRITTEN NOTICE)
4. A TENANT PAYING FOR 1MONTH MUST BE GIVEN 1MONTHS WRITTEN NOTICE WITHOUT PAY. PLS UNDERLINE THIS (WRITTEN NOTICE)

THIS IS WHAT LAW SAID.

BUT AS A GOOD PERSON, YOU CAN BE GENEROUS BY GIVEN HIM/HER ADDITIONAL MONTHS AND GOD ALMIGHTY WILL BLESS YOU FOR THAT.

Are you sure the Law says without pay? That is the first time I'm hearing such a thing! Is the landlord a philantropist or is he doing charity with the property? For all you know, he could have borrowed money to build or purchase the house and has to pay the mortgage every month as per the Agreement with the Mortgage Lender. If he defaults on the mortgage repayment, his house can be repossessed and he will be the one looking for someone to house him on a charitable basis!

If this truly exists in Nigerian Law, then I consider it unjustifiable sentiment. True, the landlord has to give the tenant appropriate 'notice to quit' but he gives it 6 months or so before the expiration of the period of tenancy which the tenant must have already paid for or is expected to pay for before he can remove his belongings from the property. The notice is to give the tenant adequate time to seek alternative accommodation not to live off the landlord without payment!

mrniceguy2: Hello Enytan, i am a seeker and i really want to know how to join the adherent messanger in their meetings, this will go along way in helping me and how do i get volume 1 and 3 of IN THE LIGHT OF TRUTH? a friend who is an ekist gave me the volume 2. please get back to me.

Hello mrniceguy2, I hope you still visit this Forum on Nairaland. It was a mistake to have started reading Vol.2 of the Grail Message before reading Vol.1 as the Author has advised against this. If you are still interested in obtaining a copy, please respond to this message. Which country do you reside in? Nigeria, UK or USA? I look forward to your response.
Best Wishes.

Dear All,
From the various posts and exchanges, one can observe that many of us are Readers of the Grail Message if not already Crossbearers.
I wonder if some of you reside in Dublin, Republic of Ireland. Would be happy to know if there are such among N/L bloggers. It would be good to start a Readers' Forum in Dublin asap. The whole Earth and all that is in it belong to the Almighty!
Best wishes

Dear All,
From the various posts and exchanges, one can observe that many of us are Readers of the Grail Message if not already Crossbearers.
I wonder if some of you reside in Dublin, Republic of Ireland. Would be happy to know if there are such among N/L bloggers. It would be good to start a Readers' Forum in Dublin asap. The whole Earth and all that is in it belong to the Almighty!
Best wishes.

Hello Justcool, welcome back! I daresay one cannot make a visit to motherland Africa without having some unforgetable experiences some of which may serve as turning points in our lives, if we permit ourselves the deep reflection that is needed. I can only wish you strength in that regard!

Now to the issues I wanted to raise for your further consideration:
1.) How is it that all the Helpers sent by the Light to help the human spirit in their further development and/or enlightenment
(includining Jesus, Parsifal, Cassandra, etc) had to pass through the various levels of creation to reach the World of Matter with the exception of Lucifer? Why was it that as a Helper (which Lucifer was originally meant to be) he had to come outside creation and always remained outside creation? I have often wondered about this peculiarity.

2.) In the lecture Baptism, we read that John the Baptist had to come so that as the ONLY Called One he could baptise the Son of God (Jesus) in His earthly vessel at the beginning of His Mission on earth. We also learned about the Seer who was shown clearly the danger that was to befall the Prince (name withheld) during his first coming but failed to alert Him until the deed occurred. The Seer was a Called One who failed in his calling and thereby allowed the unthinkable to happen! I thought these two events are worth noting as they show that not all Called Ones are dispensable as implied in one of the threads above.

I thank you in advance for your comments.

justcool: I will be travelling to Nigeria in a few hours from now, and I will spend one month in Nigeria where I will be too busy to use the internet. So any question you ask now might be answered after January next year.

Justcool, I have been following your exchange with Speer for sometime and I must say that your answers always provide deep insights which should help any reader come to a deeper appreciation of what the Author of the Grail Message sought to explain to mankind. Would appreciate if you could let us know on this forum when you are back from Nigeria. Perhaps you can help shed some light on a few more issues. Thanks.

Dear All,
I believe it is time to set up a forum on Nairaland that will enable us exchange perceptions and shed light on various issues of spiritual import. Reading some of the posts on N/L shows that a large percentage of our fellowmen are still wallowing in ignorance. However, very many are also truly yearning for the light of truth. The latter can and should be helped. Perhaps through reading the contents our posts in this forum, many earnestly seeking ones will be guided to what they are seeking. I hope the jesters will keep aloof as they are detrimental to the truth. This is intended for earnest seekers only! Please keep the comments coming but make them as pure as possible.
Best wishes!

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ROSSIKE: When will you learn to use YOUR brain? That is the question.

We know your christian bible asks you to shun knowledge and ask no questions, but to ''just believe''. Problem with that is it turns you really stu.pid, to the point where you're just a thoughtless, unquestioning robot and slave to Jewish claims.

ROSSIKE, I actually admire your courage in questioning these long-held beliefs of people who profess to be Xtians but in whom the Word of Christ is not truly alive. However, it should not be just your[b] brain [/b]that should prompt you to question these things but more the God-given [b]intuitive faculty, which would not leave any human being in peace on this issue of the Almighty sending His Son to die for mankind.
For one thing, Christ Himself was reported in the Bible to have asked: Why do you pursue me? Why do you wish to kill me? Abraham your father rejoiced to see my day....! does someone who was sent to come and die now ask his accusers why they want to kill him?

The truth is that Christ did not come to die at all but out of LOVE, He descended into Creation in order to teach humanity on how they should live in Creation so that the mills of the adamantine Laws of God will not crush them but aid their ascent. He taught us through Parables the Laws of God, saying 'what you sow is what you reap'; do unto others as you wish them to do unto you; etc.
However, because mankind was so steeped in Darkness, the good He was sowing only generated hatred and envy among the priesthood who were afraid of losing their positions of power. They therefore incited their unthinking followers to persecute and eventually MURDER the Love of God. After the deed they then tried to justify their action by claiming that He was sent to come and die for their sins! The earlier mankind actually realise and accept the WRONG that they committed against Christ and ask the Almighty for forgiveness, the better it will be for humanity on Earth!

Permit me to provide an insight into how Man sins against the Holy Spirit.
The first point to note is that, in the Trinity of God, the Holy Spirit is responsible for Creation as He is the Executive Arm of the Trinity (i.e. He executes the the Directives of the Almighty, so to speak). The Holy Spirit is therefore the King of Creation because the entire Creation came into existence out His Radiation when the fiat 'Let There Be Light' was given by the Almighty Father. You can now understand that the Holy Spirit has woven His Will into Creation and this Will manifests as the Laws of Creation. Every violation or contravention of the Law of Creation is therefore a breach of His Will, or in other words, a sin against the Holy Spirit which will have consequences. Every time Man breaks the Laws, there are always consequences. That is why the Lord Jesus taught us that 'What you sow is what you reap'. If you sow goodness/kindness, you reap good; if you sow evil/envy/jealousy, etc - you reap same multifold. Also, as an endowment given by the Holy Spirit, every human being carries within him certain latent pure qualities which he is meant to nurture and develop during his sojourn here on earth. Those human beings who get here and decide to bury those latent 'pure qualities of the spirit' or decide to indulge in animalistic or materialistic endeavours which serve to dull the qualities of the spirit that he brought along to the Earth, are actually sinning against the Holy Spirit as they have refused to utilise profitably the talents they were given by the Holy Spirit. The Lord Jesus explained this clearly to us in the Parable of the Talents in which the talent was taken from the man who buried his talent and was given to the man who had utilised his profiably. What are those Laws of Creation which we humans break every day and which carry consequences that tie us down to the World of matter, preventing us from ascending? That should be our next topic to explore!