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laudate:
Babe, some of the most interesting debates we used to have on NL way back in those days flowed from Katsumoto, Terracotta, Kobojunkie,
Physics QED & co's keyboards. I was a newbie, then. They all seemed like 'walking encyclopedia on steroids' to borrow a friend's phrase. I was starstruck, back then. Still am, I think....

Kobomonkey?

I just don't know why I never liked that character.

I don't know if it's cos of his/her poor English proficiency or just cos he/she's a coconut.

Aareonakakanfo:
Hahaha I've seen his posts.Vvvery long

Your posts can be very long at times same with Oduastates and Kingsango

Ha baba yen fe pami ni jo yen

I dunno, it just depends on how passionate I'm and the point I'm trying to make.

But really and truly, I hate writing epistles cos more time I can't be arsed to proof-read anything. Hence I don't like quoting articles or referencing anything to buttress my points. I'd rather just post what I think and try to find an example elsewhere I can correlate my POV with.

IlekeHD:
Wow.....slow down please.

I hope that wasn't intended as an insult to my son, shymmex.

Shymexx experience and club = twerking and strippers.

Women and instigating shiit - don't start world war Z on this thread lool.

Let's enjoy the debate.

IlekeHD:
Make I no vex for you o

If you and Sagamite start your fight and spoils this thread, we'll have a problem.

Loool.

I will whoop his arse again and send him on a next hiatus lol.

But this isn't the thread for that. Sagarat is my grandson - we're two generations apart lol.

IlekeHD:
Woahhhhhhhhhhhh!!!! MayorOfLagos is NegroNtnts? Woahhhhh wowwwww. That was my ngga back in the days I didn't even know.

Leave Sagamite alone. Lol I like certain personality about him.

Agreed with the guys you mentioned! I've seen TerraCotta ID, never took the time to read his posts [insights]. I guess this is an opportunity.

Sagarat is a re.tard. Anyone with an IQ higher than 50 will never take that narcissistic oaf seriously.

TerraCotta's posts are always insightful.

Aareonakakanfo:
Looool Shymm3x and Iya Agba una no serious

But seriously how do these guys type long comments though la layi n se typist

I can't type this much no matter how much I have to say

Anyhow sha, different strokes for different folks

Wait till you see PhysicsPHD/MSC/QED looool. Two pages in one post lol.

IlekeHD:
Yea, I respect the guy too.

1. Kats
2. Gbawe
3. PQED
4.Texxaspete
5. Sagarat [When he's not calling everyone a fa.g.got]

If you want to start a library WWIII, just lock these people in one small room.

Sagarat is a vacuous stark illiterate with limited lexicon and expired cheese for brain matter.

I like the following:

- Katsumoto
- eGuerrilla
- terracotta
- MayorofLagos esp. When he was negrontns
- gbawe
- pukkah

Then I'll put PhysicsQED and Ekt-bear in the same bracket cos I like certain things about them.

IlekeHD:
That guy is Bini, I doubt he'd contribute.

Yea, going to viewing mod once they start.

Loool. I know physics used to have a Bini bot/sensor attached to the backend of this forum that calls him every time Bini is mentioned loool.

But trust me, that guy likes this type of debate. It is an opportunity for him to post 50books at once. That is my nyggah though...PhysicsQED the scholar lool.

IlekeHD:
Do these old members just view NL everyday or is someone signaling you guys to this thread?

Loool.

Aareonakanfo ought to be praised for bringing the eggheads out to the party.

Anyway, I'm still expecting the big uncle, onReflection to contribute. And I know when he comes to the party - he'll come with loads of references. Can't wait to see his argument.

I won't be surprised to see physicsPHD throw about 50books at the thread lol.

We need to leave this topic here for a while.

IlekeHD:
https://stream1.gifsoup.com/view5/2015391/stewie-steroids-o.gif

Looool.

Every time I see ya posts, I see someone that looks like Peace Hyde with XXXL baggage at both front and back end.

I just wonder how you get from A to B without pain.

Oh well, that is like buying a car without test driving it.

Then again some people are mugs. Infidelity will most likely ruin the marriage.

9jacrip:
Steriods? j/k

Shocked because borrowing a name from a society doesn't mean you should design your activities in line with what happens/ed in the society.

Loool. Who needs steroids when you have got pounded yam? Lol

You should know they copied a lot of things from Ancient Greece if you pay attention to all the things they do at their home comings. Just google all the homo scandals they are involved in loool. Dyck-in-the-booty gang is their new name lol.

9jacrip:


I've heard this before though but I brushed it off.

Homo bawo?

Lool.

Why are you shocked? Wasn't Ancient Greece a homoerotic society? So what do you expect from a culture borrowed from a society that is like that?

I'm somewhere feeding my muscles at the moment...but I will see if I can post some links to you when I get home.

9jacrip:
Oh well, why do you think so if it is OK to ask?

They do a lot of homo shiit during their initiation and other routine programmes they do. And if you graduate from the normal fraternity thing to boule - that's the proper homo shiit, with a lot homoerotic things they used to do in Ancient Greece.

Anyway, I just don't understand why a black person would want to recreate Ancient Greece and the groups they had, to be honest. The whole thing just reeks of coonery.

9jacrip:
I'm a fan of their step shows, I stream them on youtube for their homecoming whatever.

Yes, that is fun to watch. But the whole Greek thing just sucks.

Katsumoto:
Obama won the election, why didn't he just sit on his arse arguing that Bush wrecked the economy and increased the budget deficit?

As far as some folk are concerned, Tinubu should be worshipped because his party kicked out indolent thugs. And having said that, what did he really do? He outbid the other party; its not like people are loyal to Tinubu because of a magnificent ideology, the loyalty is out of 'who can pay more'. Yet some would make us believe it is something 'babara' (hope i got the spelling and usage right).

Not much has changed for the average person; his lot isn't better. He isn't going to better schools or accessing better healthcare. Cronies or politicians are getting richer. Yet the average person will be on the hook for these loans that are being accumulated by these governors.

What irks me even more is a comparison with Awo because Awo didn't become PM but Tinubu joined forces with Buhari to win an election against someone most Nigerians were tired of. Absolute balderdash.

Applause.

As for me, I gave Tinubu the benefit of the doubt cos of the noise he makes about true federalism - till he got smoked by Saraki and Buhari finished him off with 36hits combo.

He needs to retire and take the rest of the other old Yoruba folks with him - and let young people that are selfless with drive and well defined ideology take charge.

9jacrip:
As much as some of these pseudo-fraternities in Nigeria smear their own names and activies so much that they get regarded as cultists/cultism.

Most Nigerians and even Nigerian media have not necessarily been able to get the proper application of 'cult(-ism)'. These school ganags have no religious inclinations or orientations whatsoever and the use of 'cult' as a descriptive term confuses me at times.

What Soyinka started was in no way a cult, it was a fraternity with a metaphorical philosophy of life as a sea voyage with its turbulences and treasures requiring coorperation to make the most of it. It is not as though Pyrates are worth rooting for anyways. Bunch of c0cx.

Word.

I'm not even a fan of the black Greek fraternities as well - I see them as coons.

IlekeHD:
Lmaooooo

I wonder what you imagine when you see Aareonakakanfo in your head.

Well, I see one guy in a tuxedo with a walking stick.

Was he? I didn't know. Soyinka wasn't a member, he startedawa the whole culture of Frat/cultism. I'm not sure if he mismanaged it, but you know how Nigerians like to bastardize everything they copy from the West.

Loool.

Aareonakakanfo in my head looks like the Pied Piper for chics. When you see him coming - you have to hide ya wives/gfs/sisters/daughters, else he'll seduce them and take them away with his magic pipe loool.

I think the whole cultism thing in Nigeria is more of a glorified gang culture. There is absolutely nothing occult in what they do and you can't call them fraternities. Wole Soyinka described his own group as a fraternity similar to the black Greek ones albeit with a nucleus that is more African than anything Greek.

IlekeHD:
Kat, why you come dey form. I see your FB posts. You were busy spending money and tasting girls.

No wahala. Dayokanu too. I see you guys.

Wetin I dey talk. I be small pikin.

Lol well, I just can't help myself. Jk. But compared to the posts on this thread, I be small pikin.

So, Katsumoto likes women like that?

Every time I picture Big Katsumoto in my head - I see a Professor with big glasses like Nutty Professor albeit not fat.

As for Big Dayokanu, I see the chics magnet and king of women.

Then Uncle Gbawe is a proper jaiye jaiye man.

Nas & Damian Marley - Leaders


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s826jLL8Ns

IlekeHD:
Why you guys include Soyinka in the political realm is beyond me - Father of Nigerian literature and cultism.

Hmmmmm

https://imagesmtv-a.akamaihd.net/uri/mgid:file:http:shared:mtv.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/hmm-interesting-gif-1435610891.gif

Was Martin Luther King involved in "cultism" by being a member of the Alpha Phi Alpha? Ditto Thurgood Marshall?

IlekeHD:
I can't argue that TheVoice made a lot of sense, so did many others.

The past discussion has been an enlightenment period for me. Thanks shymmex for posing the question[s].

I can't adequately form an opinion about Tinubu, but like many politicians, he has never been a fan of mine. However, my favor or disfavor shouldn't cloud Tinubu's present weight in Nigerian politics. He has brought Yorubas [like Gbawe mention] to the forefront of Nigerian politics, be it a selfish interest or a political interest]. Now the real question is: Now that we're here, what are we going to do with this position?

I really think we should find a way to minimize the North's political weight and to bring the power back to the South [be it SE/SS/SW]. A region with no added value shouldn't have so much power.

Bwahahaha @ bold.

https://stream1.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs2/3754041_o.gif

I'm sure you followed the last election and you know how the country is structured. And you're also following the dynamics of things under this government and the power-play. You better leave that alone for now and let's focus on how to get SW states out of the doldrums before they all go bankrupt.

Anyway, I've got an idea on the next topic to discuss, but I'm sorry you won't be part of it. Hopefully, Aareonakakanfo and raumdeuter will take charge of the topic. I think we need to discuss why Yorubas aren't producing that many footballing talents in Nigeria. And I'll probably cite the huge number of Yoruba teens and schoolboys playing for the academies of the different EPL clubs as the preamble by listing their names, and clubs. That should be interesting.

shizzy7:
Right kick, neck clutch, heavy blow on the cheek.
Ronda Rousey!!!

Dem no go use lie kill us for NL.
Op, try harder next time...

Laughing in Chinese.

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Gbawe:
Shymmex I know you rate Katsumoto but it is better to be principled and honest always. I never inferred anything he claims I did and you should have the innaye devotion to honesty to call wrong as wrong instead of cheer for it.

Katsumoto may be able to do no wrong in the eyes of some but I would hope there are still some here able to upbraid him when he is wrong as I have never shied away from doing. It is very injurious for him to claim falsely that I "sully" the name of Fawehinmi, Soyinka et al.

Dayokanu/Ramdeuter and Akanbi Edu are some of the fews who always stand up to Katsumoto while others give him a free pass to say what he wants whether true or, in this case, totally false. The fact is that Soyinka, Fawehinmi et al neve got far despite their involvement, at one time or the other, in politics while Kashamu and others like him are elected political leaders. When I make this point, which is a statement of fact, how is that to be interpreted as me insulting Soyinka et al when they are Yorubas I respect immensely?

Lool.

Yes, I do look up to Katsumoto, and I rate him highly. However, we do have our disagreements, especially when it comes to Margaret Thatcher. Katsumoto, alie? Regardless, we just tend to see things from the same perspective most times and he did school me on a lot of things on here. Ditto eGuerrilla and mayoroflagos - though I disagree with the both of them sometimes on certain topics as well.

I rate Big Dayokanu/Ramdeuter highly as well and you'll never see me say anything bad/disrespectful to him. However, I believe he's partisan cos he supports APC and I don't have a problem with that. I just want to see submissions that will analyse the precarious situation all our states are in and proffer solutions. Not excuses. We owe the future generations that.

As for Uncle Akanbiedu, I see him around from time to and I do cosign his posts sometimes. But his submission on this thread is disingenuous and I believe that's cos he's an APC member. We're not kids and no one can pull the wool over our eyes. There's a problem and we can't deflect it.

So how can we fix this problem before it consumes everyone?

I honestly don't know why the Big Uncle OnReflection is ignoring this thread lool. I know he has more than enough to add with documents, but I believe he's just holding back for reasons only him can explain.

Firefire:
Marxism theory of growth emphasizes the role of capital accumulation. To him, economic progress was accompanied by a change in the whole society and its framework.

While capitalism thought is characterized by the desire of the capitalists to secure as much of surplus value as possible and by competition, thereby claiming ownership of means of production.

I agree that capitalism is not totally bad but adding nepotism and cronyism is the ill of the drive.

Capitalism isn't the problem and to run a state effectively you'll always need welfare as part of the package. Even the US, which most will call the most capitalist country, is also a big welfare state. I think between 30-35%.

superstar1:
Awolowo was a socialist. He developed his form of home grown socialism that is not in any way like that of the Communist countries.

Tinubu is not an emperor yet. For now, he is just more of an imperial capitalist that might become a monstrous emperor, if care is not taken.

Erm, would you call Tony Blair and Clement Attlee socialists? I believe Awolowo brought a lot of foreign investors to the western region and he believed the private state should control certain sectors of the economy, while it's the responsibility of the government to invest in areas that enhance growth and development, especially education and health.

As for Tinubu, that's why we need to start speaking now. If we're actually getting the desired results - I won't even mind. However, when folks start incurring monstrous debts and states are running based on deficits - then it's problematic and we've to speak.

superstar1:
You should realise that the ideologies of the 2 men are different. Awo was a socialist, which is a typical yoruba structural orientation and ideology while Tinubu is a capitalist to the core.

The difference in ideology explains the achievements of both politically and in terms of visible development.

Will it have been possible for Awo to achieve some of his welfarist and socialist ideologies in modern times? I strongly doubt it.

Will Tinubu have gotten away with his imperialistic capitalist tendencies in the contemporary times of Awo? Capital N and O.

Awolowo wasn't even a socialist like the Soviet type of socialism, the Lenins of this world, or the Karl Marx of this world. So he would've thrived in modern times since the most developed countries in the world in Scandinavia use the same model. And most European countries are welfare states.

Also, capitalism isn't the problem if well managed. But is Tinubu just a capitalist, or more of an emperor who thrives on nepotism and cronyism? - I'll let you answer that.

The debate isn't about isolation or lack thereof from the centre.

It's about the performance of our state governors.

Or do they need the centre to perform?

Please, there's no point going off on a tangent to change the discourse to something else. Let's folks on the state governors.

Gbawe:
Shymmex, Buhari is not and has never been part of the old guard in anything but age. He does not share their ideology and is more of the welfarist, 'power to the people' school of politics while OBJ, IBB, Abacha, Danjuma et al are autocratic for the sake keeping power within a small set of hands and with a leaning for copious self-aggrandizement. Atiku, IMO, is actually a different creature entirely and more a benevolent and relatively liberal AGIP (any government in power) who would probably move Nigeria forward if he were president but not as quickly as we should progress because he can and will be compromised. This is why our political elites have fought tooth and nail to demonise Buhari for decades to make him appear unelectable. It is the fact that GEJ is shockingly terrible that created a paradigm shift in the thinking of our leaders to the extent many thought "f**k it. Let us get behind Buhari before GEJ takes us all down". Buhari and OBJ, for example, have nothing in common. OBJ only swung behind Buhari because of the personal and intense hatred he had developed for "disrespectful" and "ungrateful" GEJ. Also, OBJ and others like Atiku who would have previously worked against Buhari realised that GEJ was a very dangerous individual on course to destroying Nigeria. They chose the lesser of the two devils, i.e Buhari, out of self-interest and not because he is like them or of similar mindset.

Akanbi Edu is right because Tinubu, by working selflessly to install Buhari, assisted the demolition of the structure holding Nigeria back. Tinubu shows he is not about money and pecuniary gains because he knows Buhari enough to understand that his Presidency will signal the end of 'business as usual' which is even capable of hurting Tinubu and his own interest. Yet the man went ahead, using his personal wealth and clout, to ensure Buhari won. Even the APC primaries that produced Buhari was the work of Tinubu because virtually all SW delegates voted for Buhari - more than was the case for even Buhari's own Northern base.

These are the sort of development that truly typify what Tinubu is about for those who wish to look at issues dispassionately and pragmatically. Tinubu has nothing to gain from a Buhari Presidency other than the desire to see the good governance. Jonathan could have made Tinubu filthy rich if Tinubu agreed to work for his win. The billions of dollars and inducement (like pipeline protection contracts for gani Adams and Faseun) he doled out across Yorubaland would have gone to tinubu who Jonathan coveted as a kingmaker and wanted to get on board more than all others put together. Yet Tinubu could not be bought and he chose the project, i.e Buhari and APC win, that represented less money, less influence and less chances to consolidate an 'empire' many tell us that Tinubu cares about more than anything else. It does not make sense and the more one looks the more it is obvious the Yorubas should feel very privileged and lucky to have tinubu.

Sir, I like your argument, though I don't agree with some of the points you posited. The only reason why I challenged the other poster is cos he's being economical with the truth. We're not kids and a lot of us can discern things from afar. Buhari would've been the president, with or without Tinubu and that was obvious way before the election. And I did allude to that when he visited the Archbishop of Canterbury.

Apart from the Northern hegemony/oligarchs as a group - OBJ is the most powerful person in Nigeria and the proper old guard who has been at the corridor of power in Nigeria since the end of the civil war. If you understand Nigerian politics from the international perspective looking in, you'll see that. And OBJ supported Buhari and he's active in this government. Ditto the rest. Atiku who has also been there for a long time was also instrumental in making Saraki the Senate president. Then you have a Buhari who has also been around since the end of the civil war. So how did anyone stop the old guard?

Also, Tinubu has been cut to size by this government. So we need to leave whoever is ruling at the centre alone cos he has no influence whatsoever there and focus on the non-performing governor and their utter poor fiscal policies.

Scandinavian countries are the bastion of democracy.

The US won't even make the top 20 list of the most democratic countries in the world.

Let's leave the US out of this.

raumdeuter:
Anyone who is enlightened should know this is idioccy at its best

US is the bastion of modern democracy

The current democratic front runner is Hilary wife of former President

One of the Republican candidate is Jeb Bush, brother of former president Bush, son of Former President George H W Bush, GrandSon of Former senator Bush.

There is a possibility that the next US election is going to be between a Bush and a CLinton just like it was 24yrs ago

We havent seen Americans shout about Tinubu and make silly meme's

In India. We had Mahatma Ghand, We had Indira Ghandi we had Rajiv Ghandi

If thats Tinubus crime, then I can say he learnt from the greatest democracy icons in the world

The US is not the bastion of modern democracy.

The US is a constitutional republic, so regardless of who's elected as the POTUS, the country will always thrive.

I don't see the correlation between the US and this one, to be honest.

Aareonakakanfo:
Na lie you be "Prof"

Don't play that humility card here

Loool.

Maybe in 6-10 years time after reading gazillion of books and publishing a lot of research papers. It's not even easy to be a Professor in the UK, and that might take another 5 years - maybe in the US.

Being a professor isn't that easy.