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@personal59 jazakumullahu khayran for your advice, may Allah grant us the proper understanding of the deen ameen.

For the record, I do not engage in a discuss for no reason, especially when it is about religion, it is either to learn or explain what I know and understand.

Please again I repeat, I am not saying that you perform your dhikr in your mother tongue. What I wrote in my previous post is a translation of the Arabic statement "audhubillahi mina shaitani rajym" and translation is not an innovation.

^ My speech is about why i believe the statement made in my initial post is not an innovation...I presented evidences, and explained my points, it is not about having good intentions and trying to bring a new idea alien to the Muslim world.

If i said making such statement would make shaitan to run away from you whenever you say it, then it is a different ball game entirely.

I Seek Allah's refuge from Shaitan, eni ti a ma le loko pa!

maclatunji:
Of course you can't see it, but it started with you hearing somebody suggest it without any backing from Qur’an or Subnah, then youstarted practising it, you are now recommending it to others and so it spreads with all sorts of additions until it becomes widespread even when it never was with sound footing from the onset other than "I don't see anything wrong." This is how deviant sects are born.

The Prophet (SAW) has thought us many things, we don't need to start "feeling" at our whims how to practise the perfected religion. It is the beginning of misguidance. May Allah protect us from it.

May Allah protect us from innovation ameen. I never thought of this as an innovation, and it is quite unfortunate I cannot ask the scholar(may Allah have mercy on his soul) I heard it from to clarify where I might have gone wrong, if any, in my explanation of his statement (I think it was a lecture on a cassette i heard him say it). Still, I'll like to make some point so we can all look at what I was trying to explain from another angle and understand my statements here.

First, I believe you misunderstood my point mac. What I said the scholar mentioned, is not meant to protect one from shaitan (la), as that would clearly negate what is prescribed in the shariah, and rightly classified as an innovation. Please read my initial post again. I believe what you want is for evidences to be presented, and in sha Allah, I’ll try my best in doing that, and clarify why I believe it is not bid’ah.


Allah (SWT) Says "O Mankind indeed the promise of Allah is the truth so let not worldly life delude you and be not deceived about Allah by the deceiver (Satan). Indeed Satan is an enemy to you so take him as an enemy. He only invites his party to be among the companions of the blaze (Fatir: 5-6).

There are other verses which Allah (SWT) Has warned us against shaitan, but this verse above is the most relevant to this discuss. Here Allah (SWT) gives a direct command to take shaitan (la) as an enemy; looking at this verse, it is mandatory/obligatory we take shaitan (la) as an enemy. Looking further in the books of tafsir, tafsir Tabari states in regards to this verse especially Allah’s (SWT) statement “Indeed Satan is an enemy to you so take him as an enemy”,

فأنزلوه من أنفسكم منزلة العدو منكم واحذروه بطاعة الله واستغشاشكم إياه حذركم من عدوكم الذي تخافون غائلته على أنفسكم، فلا تطيعوه ولا تتبعوا خطواته، فإنه إنما يدعو حزبه، ينعي شيعته ومن أطاعه، إلى طاعته والقبول منه، والكفر بالله
“He i.e shaitan should be placed from yourselves in a position of an enemy amongst you and you should be guarded against him by following Allah (SWT) and you should be suspicious of him and be vigilant against your enemy in which you fear his calamity upon yourselves, thus never follow him or his group, that is, his disciples who follow him, following his path and following his footsteps…”

Ibn Kathir states:
أي: هو مبارز لكم بالعداوة، فعادوه أنتم أشد العداوة، وخالفوه وكذبوه فيما يغركم به،
“That is: He is a contender with you in enmity, your enmity against him is a greater enmity, being at variance with him, and calling him a lier in whatever he brings to deceive you with…”

Still on the issue of shaitan being an enemy and taking him as such,

Imam Ibn Al-Qayyim said,

"There are two types of Jihad Ash-Shaytan (the devil). First, Jihad against him to disregard the misgivings and doubts that he raises to erode the person's faith. Second, Jihad against him by ignoring what he tempts one with of
erroneous intentions and desires. Achieving certainty (concerning faith) comes after
performing the first type of this Jihad, while
successfully observing patience is the result of
performing the second type. Allah said, "And We
made from among them (Children of Israel),
leaders, giving guidance under Our Command, when they were patient and used to believe with
certainty in Our Ayat (Signs, Verses, etc.)." [32:24].
In this Ayah, Allah has stated that achieving the
status of being leaders in the religion is achieved by
observing patience and feeling Yaqin (certainty in
Allah and that Islam is the only true religion, etc.). Patience defeats desires and ill intentions, while
certainty defeats the doubts and misgivings."

The fact that Imam Ibn Qayuum used jihad against shaitan (la) and the explanations from scholars of tafsir I quoted, shows that we must be on guard, plan and strategize on a daily basis against shaitan, it is a war, you must declare your enmity towards shaitan and since shaitan has promised to deceive and destroy man, and this he will continue to do till judgement day.


Indeed, it should be fully understood that the Prophet (SAW) has thought us how to guard ourselves against shaitan. There are narrations abound in the books of ahadith in regards to this, there are a number of adhkar to be said morning and night to protect us against the devil, I have not stated we neglect such, and I even emphasized it in my previous posts. I have only stated we reinforce the Qur’anic injuction by compiling a statement that would clearly indicate our enmity towards shaitan (la) and tell ourselves that every morning we wake up after saying our prescribed adhkar according to the shariah.

Indeed, the religion is complete, and I have come to realize that things that are wowing people in the world today in terms of self development, how to be successful in our affairs and how to be happy, focused, set goals etc are embedded in Islam as brought to us by the Prophet (SAW) and practiced by his companions and the salafs.

I would like to give an example here, one of the key to success and happiness, as being promoted in some quarters especially motivational speakers is gratitude, they explain we show gratitude for what we have and recommend we do that in the morning, and once you do that, talking to yourself about what you have and what you are grateful for, automatically, you start feeling better about your life and therefore, happiness sets in. the effect of this singular act is said to transform your day, having a ripple effect in all your activities for that day.

People have tried this and gave testimonies; they applied this and are wowed. But this is infact what the Prophet (SAW) had thought us over 1400 years ago when he mentioned the adhkar to be said when we wake up, which is about showing gratitude for life, in another narration, he adviced us to not look at people above us in status, but people below us, and hence, we would be grateful to Allah (SWT) for his bounties, and most importantly, Allah (SWT) has asked us in the glorious Qur’an, which of His favours can we deny…

If I had written, every morning after your adhkar or during your adhkar, you compile a list of all what you are grateful for, and as you say alhamdulilah, you clearly state all things in which you are grateful for, does this fall under innovation?

If as muslims, we take this prophetic tradition, and apply it in our lifes the way we should, then we wouldn't be complaining about difficulties we face, in fact there are many more of such teachings embedded in the sunnah and the lives of the salaf, i had one time wanted to write about this, but i guess i wasn't properly equipped for such a task.

Allah (SWT) has commanded us in the Qur’an to think, ponder and reflect on His Word, because therein lies wisdom and understanding. I strongly recommend we all study the lives of the companions and the salaf as to their attitude and ways of reflection and the kind of self talk they engage which gives them focus in carrying out their responsibilities. We have lost this edge these people had, we just say these adhkar without much thought...may Allah assist us and grant us understanding.

I must also state here that the scholar I heard this from, is a righteous scholar, a devote ahl sunnah, who gave his all to defend Islam and the Sunnah. Whenever he gives adhkar or dua, he teaches them, explaining each word in them, he teaches to the extent that each individual understands the importance of that dhikr or dua, and by Allah, whenever you make such dhikr or dua, it is never like just rote reading, it is such that you say these dhikr and dua, with deep reflection and understanding. I have a book also “the fiqh of dua and adhkar, night and daily duties” by Abd Razak bin Abd Muhsin bin Badr. In his introduction, he states,
“…this 3rd section from the fiqh of dua and adhkar, contains the explanation of adhkar and duas that are associated with a muslims duty or actions in the day and night, such as the adhkar of the day and night and sleep, and the adhkar of prayers and after prayers, and adhkar of entering and leaving (the home), and that of riding and travel, of eating and drinking, and others apart from these amongst the lofty adhkar, and blessed prayers, which accompanies a muslim in his day and night with explanation of their meaning and evidences.

There is no doubt that the persistence on these adhkar and the adhearance is associated with lots of good, and blessings that follows in this life and the hereafter, especially, when the adherent, conforms with it looking carefully at the evidences, and reflecting on its purpose and its goal, and attaining its target and requirements.”

I had also mentioned in my previous post, the importance of understanding what we recite in arabic in our mother tongue, but not only that, as pointed out above, we also need to reflect upon it, even while in prayer or while making our daily adhkar. A brother once said, he reflects on his day, strategize and plan his day while saying his morning adhkar, thinking about what he is saying and what he wants to achieve in that day. This is how a muslim should perform his daily duties. It is quite unfortunate that we are so much in a hurry, we hardly have time to reflect and contemplate on what we recite, we have become robots, no wonder our spirituality can never be compared to the earliest generations of Muslims.

So the question now arise again, is what I said the scholar mentioned an innovation?

Well, I reiterate that no, it is not, it cannot be said to be an innovation, because Allah (SWT) has commanded us to take Shaitan as an enemy, and from all what I have presented here thus far, it shouldn’t be difficult for us to see it isn’t, it is not a new form of dhikr or a new form of worship. But I know it might still be confusing for some, and they may like to ask, give us a proof from the sahabas or the salafs of such actions…So i present some narrations from the salafs, how they engage in self talk in keeping their responsibilities to Allah (SWT), which i believe gives allowance for us to engage in these kinds of actions....

"Someone asked Haatim al-Asamm as to how did he say his salah. He replied: “When the time for salah comes, I perform my wudoo and go to the place where I have to say my salaah. I sit down for some time, till all the parts of my body is relaxed. Then I stand up for salaah, visualizing the kaabah in front of me, imagining my feet upon the bridge over jahannam, with jannah to my right, and jahannam to my left, and the angel of death close behind me, and think that it may be my last salaah. Then I say my salaah with full sincerity and devotion. And I finish my salaah between fear and hope about its acceptance.”

If i had written, since we are expected to have full concentration in salah, hence, before salah, compile a statement that would keep you focused during salah, in your mother tongue, would that be an innovation in the deen one capable of estinguishing the sunnah and creating deviant sects?!

More examples,

Mu’adh Ibn Jabal adviced his son:

“My son! Pray the prayer of he who is just about to leave and imagine that you might not be able to pray ever again”.[“Sifat As-Safwah”, 1/496].

Abu Noeh Al Ansariy said:
“A fire once broke out in a house where ‘Ali bin al-Husayn – may Allah have mercy on him – was prostrate in prayer. He didn’t raise his head until the fire went out. When asked about this he said: “The other Fire kept my mind busy.”[“At-Takhwief min An-Naar”. 33].


Al-Fudhayl Ibn Iyaadh said:
“I met some people who feel ashamed before Allaah to sleep for too long in the night. Such a person may be resting on his side, and when he moves, he says to himself, “This is not your right. Get up and take your share of the Hereafter”.[“Sifat As-Safwah”, 2/241].

We could see here the use of imagination and visualization as well as talking to oneself as practiced by these sahabah and salafs, and there are more, scattered in books detailing the lives of our righteous predecessors, interestingly, we do this consciously or unconsciously, and what i have suggested here is to conciously engage in self talk or whatever it is called, to help us keep focus on our responsibilities on a daily basis.

Haafiz Ibn Taymiyah said:
“What can my enemies possibly do to me? My paradise is in my heart; wherever I go it goes with me, inseparable from me. For me, prison is a place of (religious) retreat; execution is my opportunity for martyrdom; and exile from my town is but a chance to travel (in the path of Allah).”[“Al-Wabil Al-Sayyib”, 1/69].

This quote by sheikh ibn taymiyah is quite deep, the statement "My paradise is in my heart" is very powerful, if i were very good in psychology, i would be able to write elaborately the benefits of making such statements to oneself, especially when one finds himself in a difficult situation...One could just wonder how these scholars come up with such statements. The truth is that, it is from reflecting and pondering over the words of Allah(SWT) and the words of his Prophet (SAW).

Ad-Dhahabi writes :
“… Al-Ahnaf ibn Qayss used to approach the lamp and put his finger in it then say: “Feel it! O Ahnaf, feel it. Why did you do what you did in such and such day?!”[“Siyar A’lam An-Nubala”, 4/92].

There is also another popular narration, where the Prophet (SAW) said a sahabah was from the people of paradise, another sahabah Abdullah ibn amr ibn al aasi took it upon himself to findout what he did differently, on noticing no special deeds from him,he therefore enquired about what could have made him to be mentioned by the Prophet(SAW) as one of the people of Jannah, he was reported to have said, every night, before I go to sleep, I forgive whoever has wronged me. I remove any bad feelings towards anyone from my heart.

We can clearly see that what these people did are not innovations, but rather, actions which were borne out of deep reflection and understanding and a sincere effort to carryout their responsibilities as prescribed by the shariah. It is innate for us to talk to ourselves, and making decisive efforts to channel what we say to ourselves in helping us focus on our responsibilities according to the shariah, cannot and should not be classified as an innovation.

Finally, i would like to give a quote which captures the shariah definition of innovation and i hope would help us understand more what bid'ah is...

Imaam ash-Shaatibee (rahima-hullaah) mentions:

“Linguistically bid’ah (innovation) means ‘a newly invented matter’. The Sharee’ah definition of bid’ah as: ‘A newly invented way [beliefs or action] in the religion, in imitation of the Sharee’ah (prescribed Law), by which nearness to Allaah is sought, [but] not being supported by any authentic proof – neither in its foundations, nor in the manner in which it is performed’.” [Al-I’tisaam of ash-Shaatibee, 1/37]

And Allah (SWT) knows best.

Bamoha:
Allah made man out of clay
so he could pray 5 times a day.
To work and eat with his own hands
and spread Islam throughout the
lands.
His voice to do zikr and call out
Azaan.
His life devoted to the holy Quran.
The prophet an example for him to
follow
and all other ways he refuses to
swallow.
Everyday involved in learning and
teaching.
Truth and justice he must go on
preaching.
Until one day he breathes his last
and is called to account for deeds of
the past.

Ma sha Allah, Jazakumullahu khayran for sharing brother, it is nice and i love it, it is telling the story of man from the begining to the end, our jurney as man on earth and our true purpose. Keep them coming!

maclatunji:
^It is an innovation bro.

I do not see it as such, perhaps if you can elaborate cos i don't see how telling myself that shaitan is my enemy on a daily basis amounts to innovation.

personal59:
Hmmmm my brother is there an hadith on this am really sorry o is not. That am trying to talk. This down or something bt am also a yoruba o nd the prophet said d best language is arabic moreover we don't do our salat with our mothers tongue we use arabic so y that one all I knw is we can atworst say authu bilahi mina shaitani rajeem........ So what's hard in that Sso my brother this is what I understand a little on it o

You are correct about using the Arabic language in our acts of worship, and I had stressed saying the prophetic azkars in my responses, as well as understanding what is being said. You would agree with me that it is important we understand what we are reciting be it azkar, dua or the Qur'an in our mother tongue, it gives confidence, proper concentration and understanding while reciting them.

I have not said there is a spiritual benefit or a reward for the statement I mentioned, and I haven't said it to replace what is prescribed in the shariah. The point I'm trying to make is that, making statement as stated earlier, can inspire, give focus and strenghthen ones resolve to take shaitan as an enemy on a daily basis. The Qur'an as stated clearly that he is our enemy, and we are to take him as such (Qur'an 35 vs 6). We can look at my statement as a self pep talk or a daily mission statement for one to lead a successful life devoid of shaitan 's influence by Allah's Leave.

personal59:
Pls can u explain better the aspect of compiling statement for shaitan in ur mothers tongue with example

Okay, for example, lets assume english is the mother tongue, one can make statement such as;

"Shaitan, you are my sworn enemy, and today by Allah's will, you will never have power over me, i shall disgrace you and render useless all your deceptions, and machinations. You are evil, and i have no business with you in my life"

If i were to say this in my mother tongue, which is yoruba, it would carry lots of charisma, as i would also add some innuendo that i can't easily replicate with english language.

Again it would also suffice, if we really understood some of the morning and evening azkars, so as we say them, we are fully aware of their potency against evil(shaitan).

abdoolhapheez:
beautiful piece brother,as usual.

Jazakumullahu khayran bro.

Jazakumullahu khayran bro, may Allah (SWT) save us from all the deceptions of shaitan ameen.

I heard a scholar say, and i believe it has a positive psychological effect, whenever you wake up in the morning, and after the Prophetic azkar, compile a statement that would boldly define your enmity with shaitan for that day, and preferably, in your mother's tongue...

Questions…

Indeed, the battle is between truth and falsehood

The good and the evil

The light and darkness

The life and death...


But when asked, how equipped are you?

Do you careless and be oblivious of your responsibilities?
Or do you know yourself to be the righteous, others, sinful calamities?
Or do you seek knowledge, day and night, from the righteous and kind with studious capacities?

And if asked, where do you stand when the world boils?

Do you become frightened, and act based on whatever comes to mind?
Or you take laws into your own hands, being the judge and jury, to others view, blind?
Or you analyze issues objectively, with knowledge and example from the best of mankind?

And when asked, who are you and what is your purpose?

Do you say you know not, you are just a person without purpose?
Or you say you are the truth and others are the falsehood that must be disposed?
Or you say, Allah (SWT) is the Good, the Truth, the Light and the Life of the worlds, and I am just but a Muslim, one who submits with a true purpose.

Empiree:
Even if we project this information they choose what suit them basically but ignore the other side. Bunch of them on NL

You are right, but i want to believe that there are just few obnoxious fellows especially on the religion section, who would always want to see things only through their bigotry, these are the Islamophobes and the fanatics which i can only equate to the Terrorists...

A well educated and objective individual would appreciate these kinds of information, and there happens to be lots of innocent youths who might not have the opportunity to research into this aspect of history. Also, we all need to remind ourselves of this rich heritage which should spur us into retracing our steps and getting back on track to achieving Islam.

vedaxcool:
This once again shows that Islam pro - reasoning stance impacted rapidly on science hence leading to the great leap forward humanity experience. Islam encourages people to think, ponder and understand.

Is it not amazing that this aspect of Muslims/Arabs input and advancement in science has been completely neglected when discussing Islamic civilization? I sometimes shudder at the rate at which non Muslims lie to paint Islam as backward and anti science. I think we need to project these kinds of information to the public in order to correct a lot of misinformation being bandied around especially on this site!

Interesting, never heard about him until I met someone from borno talking about El-kenemi school which had students fluent in Arabic, French and English. I don't know if the school was named after him or he was the founder.

May Allah Bless his soul ameen

lanrexlan:
Not only AlBaqir o, Empiree and Vedaxcool too.
Laykorn for producer .
Tbaba1234 go be our adviser, as in 'Baba Isale'
Rilwayne001 go be our distributor
Tintingz for marketer
Our team don complete be that o , fabulous team we've got

Interesting, we've got a wonderful team here, and this is how we could just start a business bro

lanrexlan:
Brother Sino, I'm still working on that essay ni o .

No problem, would be expecting it...

Empiree:
No doubt. Every sane individual knows that NWO is "kufrutic ideaology" as you put it. But in sino's poem content, if you read intellectually, NWO is used linguistically. I dont think sino attached any significance to it.

#justmythought#

I simply divorced the "kufrutic ideology" from it and then married it to the "Sunnatic ideology"
But I'll be careful next time, in sha Allah, so as not to let people read wrong meanings to my poem.

lanrexlan:
Ok oo, but who go promote us na?

Quietly screams AlBaqir na!

laykorn:
Lol. I am. Besides, this is not my work. I don't know it was by Zain Bhikha. I guess he just produced it. It shows Track 11 on my player. I'm sure that's not the poem's name anyway. Maybe I should have added 'anonymous' to the end. Lol
Lanrexlan, take note.
Ayamlaykorn

Regardless brother, it is a nice piece and jazakumullahu khayran for sharing

abuhalima:
permission to share on Facebook bro sino?

By all means bro, you don't need to ask.

And I've been looking forward to your writings bro...

lanrexlan:
Haaaaaa, do you know that close to 100 can only be 80-99 while above 200 can be 300, 400, even 1000?
Abegi, there's a lot of difference joor.

I gif up!

lanrexlan:
See this brother sha, you wan expose me ni? Me wan dey perform for my house, you wan take me to higher level ni? I am not ready.

If I make an audio, na my family and Nairaland Muslim Community go buy am

See this guy sha, wey I don dey think about being your manager... you better start rehearsals sharp sharp o

lanrexlan:
Jazakumullah Khairan brother Sino, nice piece of literary work, may Allah(Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala) reward you abundantly.



This part of your poem reminders me of Yusuf Islam's 'God's Light',

Yet, how many times he's tried,
Himself to immortalise?
Like his parents before him in the Garden of Eden

Ameen bro, jazakumullahu khayran

The nasheed by Yusuf Islam is one of my favorites, love the message so much, God indeed is truly the Light!

The World Has Become Weird Again by sino

The world has become weird again!

Katrina and Sandy wreaked havoc,
They used to be names of beautiful ladies
Until the era of pollution and global warming

The world has become weird again!

Sons impregnating their mothers,
Fathers impregnating their daughters,
If you ask me, that is just plain sick!

The world has become weird again!

Boys are now girls,
Girls are now boys,
It’s fashion, it’s just for fun, they say…

The world has become weird again!

Men love each other,
So do women, intimately cohabiting
They are gay! They want to have a baby!!!

The world has become weird again!

The fortune-tellers nor the stargazers, dare speak of that which they see,
The sights and sounds of the universe,
On man’s palm in HD

The world has become weird again!

The coral reefs, neither the sandy beaches nor the waterfalls interest no more,
Weightlessness, spaceship, space travel,
Man’s new found sport.

Is the world becoming weird again?
Or is it the human race?

For man seeks the world beyond,
And man looks forward to the worlds end
Man deems himself self-sufficient
Seeking immortality, forever living…

Only time will tell….

lanrexlan:
Lol, gba fun oga e o .Yeah, he started in 1415 A H and he released an Album titled 1415.

Mi o gba, mo ni agidi gaan! there is not much difference between close to 100 and above 200 na

lanrexlan:
**Stretches Hand/Head forward to collect my award or turban**
Thanks boss.
Rilwayne001, Tintingz se una don see, if you wan do Nikkah make una invite me, make I come perform 'Wedding Song' for ya.
AlBaqir, invite me for ya Aqiqa make I wan sing 'Hush little baby' for ya.

hmmm, interesting, make a youtube video and let us assess your voice quality and performance

AlBaqir:
Here you are again brother. This is weird all in the name of protecting your Aqeedah at all cost! Here's the verse again:

"Those of them with whom you contract MUT'AH, give them their prescribed dowries; and there is no blame on you about what you mutually agree after what is prescribed. Verily, Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise."

1. Imam al-Hakim (d. 403H) records:
"Abu Nadrah: I read to Ibn Abbas: {Those of them with whom you contract mut'ah, give them their prescribed dowries}[4:24]. He said: "{Those of them with whom you contract mut'ah FOR A SPECIFIED PERIOD}". Abu Nadrah said: I said, "We do not recite it like that!" Ibn Abbas replied, "I swear by Allah, Allah certainly revealed it like that."

* Al-Hakim comments: This hadith is Sahih upon the standard of (Imam) Muslim.
* Imam al-Dhahabi (d. 748H) concurs:
Upon the standard of (Imam) Muslim
~al-Mustadrak 'ala al-Sahihayn vol. 2, p. 334, #3192.

2. Imam Ibn Jarir al-Tabari (d. 310H) also document the same as Imam al-Hakim above in his 'Jami al-Bayan fi Tawil al-Quran vol. 5, p. 19 with the following extra:
"... I swear by Allah, Allah certainly revealed it like that. He said it three times."

al-Hafiz ibn Hajar (d. 852H) declared the narrators as Thiqah (trustworthy) and thabt (accurate).
~Taqrib al-Tahdhib, vol. 2 p. 129, #6283.

3. Al-Hafiz Ibn Kathir (d. 774H) gave some relevant info:
"Ibn Abbas, Ubayy b. Ka'b, Sa'id b. Jubayr and al-Suddi used to recite: {Those of them with whom you contract mut'ah for a specified period, give them their prescribed dowries}[4:24].."
~Tafsir al-Quran al-'Azim, vol. 2, p. 259

4. Imam Ibn Jarir al-Tabari also documents:
Muhammad b. al-Muthanna - Muhammad b. Ja'far - Shu'bah:
I asked al-Hakam concerning this verse{Also [forbidden for marriage are] women already married, except those whom your right hands possess} up till {Those of them with whom you contract mut'ah}, Is it abrogated? He said,""NO".
~Jami al-Bayan fi Tawil al-Quran, vol. 5 p. 19

*Ibn Hajar declared all the narrators Thiqah.

@Sino, here you are telling me Q. 4:24 is not about Mut'a. For you to convince the world its not about Mut'a, you need to present hadith from a Sahabi NOT contradictory opinions of Sunni ulama.

Are you in dilemma how those "Heretic" sahaba above recited "for a specified period" and claimed it was revealed alongside 4:24? Please indicate!

ABROGATION OF A VERSE
Qur'an:
"Whatever a verse We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring a better one or one similar to it."

"And When We change a verse in place of another verse, and Allah knows best of what He sends down..."

Imam al-Shafi'i (d. 204H) says:
The Book of Allah cannot be abrogated except by His Book, due to the Statement of Allah...So, it is very clear that the abrogation of (a verse of) the Qur'an cannot occur except through (another verse of) the Qur'an.
~Muhammad b. Idris al-Shafi'i, kitab Ikhtilaf al-Hadith, p. 483 - 484.

Here, it is worth mentioning that ALL the "SAHIH" hadith that says Mut'a was later forbidden are nothing but forgery of highest order {Imam Jafar Sadiq (as): ...EVERY hadith that does not agree with the Book of Allah is a vanity for ONLY a verse of the Qur'an can abrogate another verse, and in that case also the rule is previous verse (Makkan verses) cannot abrogate later verse (Madina verse).
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ANOTHER AYAH THAT VALIDATE MUT'AH
"O you who believe! Do not make haram the good things which Allah has made halal for you, and do not exceed the limits; surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits.
~al-Maidah: 87

Prophet call Mut'ah "Good Thing"
Imam al-Bukhari records:
Ibn Mas'ud: "We were on an expedition with the Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, and we had nothing with us. So, we said, "Should we castrate ourselves?" But, he forbade us to do that. Then, he permitted us to do nikah (marriage) with the woman, giving her a garment (as the dowry). Then,he recited to us {O you who believe! Do not make haram the good things which Allah has made halal for you, and do not exceed the limits; surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits}"
~sahih al-Bukhari, vol. 5, p. 1953, #4787
~Musnad of Ahmad ibn Hanbal, vol. 1, p. 450, #4302.

*Imam Ahmad in his Musnad vol. 6,p. 188, #25588[annotated by sheik al-Arnaut] reported 'Aisha to have confirmed that sura al-Maida was the last surah revealed so whatever it declared halal is halal; and whatever it declared Haram is haram till Qiyam.

This is one of the reasons why Abdullah Ibn Mas'ud continued to be practicing and validate Mut'ah

Do you know what would have been best brother? Just to show me the verse with Those of them with whom you contract mut'ah "FOR A SPECIFIED PERIOD", and i would not have to argue against mut'ah again!

If you believe the Qur'an with us today is what was revealed the best of mankind, was read by the best 3 generations, then i challenge you to bring such wordings from the Qur'an...

Ali (ra) the custodian of knowledge, did not say it is so, i have not read any narration from him stating it to be so, and even when Umar (ra) was prohibiting Mut'ah, no one not even Ali (ra) had objected, referencing Qur'an 4:24, was Umar (ra) a monster that people feared so much? the one you said was running away from battles?! it just does not just add up bro

AlBaqir:
Very dishonest and disappointing! Again are you telling the world that ALL those listed sahaba did not know the ruling? Three different occasions (Khaybar, Fath Makkah and Hijjat al-wadah) sino.

If you do not fancy mut'a, that doesn't mean you cannot be transparent in your assessment.

Ibn Jurayj a Makkan Jurist died AH 150 was reported thus...

Ibn Hajar al-`Asqalani (rah) reports regarding ibn Jurayj’s (rah) opinion of Mut`ah: “Abu `Awanah narrated in his Sahih from ibn Jurayj that he said to them in Basarah: “Bear witness that I have retracted my Fatwa.” After he narrated to them eighteen narrations that there was no harm in it.”
source: al-Talkhees al-Habeer 3/160, Musnad abi `Awanah 3/31 #4087.

One would have to ask, what made him retract his fatwa? most probably, when the truth reached him, i do not think it was because of the fear of Umar (ra)....

Please AlBaqir, i read the following from Shia Scholars, can you please explain?

Shia scholar al-Tusi narrated in his “Tahzeeb al-Ahkam” (7/253):

واما ما رواه أحمد بن محمد عن ابى الحسن عن بعض اصحابنا يرفعه إلى ابي عبدالله عليه السلام قال: لا تتمتع بالمؤمنة فتذلها.
فهذا حديث مقطوع الاسناد شاذ، ويحتمل ان يكون المراد به إذا كانت المرأة من اهل بيت الشرف فانه لايجوز التمتع بهالما يلحق اهلها من العار ويلحقها هي من الذل ويكون ذلك مكروها دون ان يكون محظورا.

As for what is narrated from Ahmad bin Muhammad from Abu al-Hassan from some of our companions which is Marfu’u to Abu Abdullah -alaihi salam- that he said: “Do not humiliate the believing woman by having Mutah with her.” and this Hadith has a Maqtu’u Isnad and has Shuzouz in the Matn.

It is possible that what is meant in this narration is that if a believing woman was from a noble household then it is not allowed to have Mutah with her as it will dishonour her parents and disgrace her and this would be Makruh (Disliked) without it being forbidden.”

A Shia scholar al-Hurr al-Amili in his “Wasailu shia” (21/26) narrated:

“And from him from al-Hasan b. `Ali [Abu ‘l-Hasan – in at-Tahdheeb, Abu ‘l-Hasan `Ali – in al-Istibsar] from one of our companions going up to Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام. He said: Do not do mut`a with the mu’mina as you would humiliate her.”

The Shaykh said: This is shaadh (odd), and it is possible that his intent by it is when the woman is from a noble family which scandal would be attached to and humiliation attached to her, and that would be disliked.

I say: And there has preceded what indicates upon permission and there is coming what indicates upon it.

I do not want to be part of those who humiliate a Muslim Woman!

Ma' Salam

AlBaqir:
Sino, didn't you get it? There are other Sahih ahadith by heavyweight Sahaba that proved the validity of Mut'a.

The "prohibition" was said to take place FOREVER on three different occasions viz: Khaybar, Conquest of Makkah and Prophet's last Hajj.

How is it possible for heavyweights sahaba like Jabir Ibn Abdullah al-Ansari, Abdullah Ibn Abbas, Asma bint Abi Bakr, Abdullah ibn Mas'ud et al to completely miss out on these alleged three occasions? Then how is it possible the information of "prohibition" on these three different occasions did not reach them as Sunni Ulama alleged?

Sinoooooooo please I need your sincerity and fear of Allah here!
Imam Muslim documents:
"Abu al-Zubayr: I heard Jabir b. Abd 'Allah saying, "We used to contract mut'ah by giving a handful of dates and flour (as the dowry) during the eras of the Messenger of Allah and Abu Bakr UNTIL 'Umar forbade it in the case of 'Amr b. Hurayth."
~Sahih Muslim, vol. 2 p. 1022, #1405 (16)

Imam Abd al-Razzaq documented:

Abd al-Razzaq - Ibn Jurayj - Abu al-Zubayr - Jabir Ibn Abd'Allah:
"We, the sahabah of the Prophet, peace be upon him, did mut'ah UNTIL the prohibition of 'Amr b. Hurayth (from it)."
NB: 'Amr b. Hurayth was another Sahabi.

The same chain above continues:
"'Amr b. Hurayth arrived from kufah and did mut'a with a slave woman. Then, she was brought to 'Umar when she became pregnant, and he interrogated her. So, she said, " 'Amr b. Hurayth did mut'ah with me". Then, he interrogated him, and he informed him through that of an apparent matter." He said, "So, why not other than her?" That was the moment when he (Umar) forbade it."
~al-Musannaf, vol. 7, p. 500, #14029

Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani in his Taqrib al-Tahdhib vol. 2, p. 132, #6310, declared all the narrators in the chains above to be SADUQ (very truthful).

Imam Ibn Hazm (d. 456H) could not hide it any longer. He declares:
"A group of the Salaf, may Allah be pleased with them, were FIRM in declaring it halal AFTER the Messenger of Allah. Those of them from the Sahaba were Asma bint Abi Bakr, Jabir b. Abd Allah, Ibn Mas'ud, Ibn Abbas, Mu'awiyah b. Abi Sufyan, Amr b. Hurayth, Abu Sa'id al-Khudri, and Salamah and Ma'bad - sons of Umayyah b. Khalaf.

Jabir b. Abd 'Allah also reported it (i.e declaration of mut'ah as halal) from the Sahabah during the time of the Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, and during the time of Abu Bakr and 'Umar until near the end of the caliphate of 'Umar. Ibn al-Zubayr had contradictory opinions on its permissibility, while 'Ali expressed no opinion concerning it. It is narrated that 'Umar b. al-Khattab only denied it if two just people did not act as its witnesses, and he considered it permissible of two just people acted as witnesses to it.

And among the Tabi'in were: Tawus, 'Ata, Sa'id b. Jubayr, and the rest of the Jurists of Makkah, may Allah honor it.
~Ibn Hazm in "al-Muhalla, vol. 9 p. 519 - 520

Sino, are these Sahaba and Tabi'in Herectic, forgers, adulterers?

LOL AlBaqiruuuu, please we do not need to be going in circles, i had addressed these issues, and did you ever read any post from me saying the Sahabahs are heretics, forgers or adulterers?!

I had said it is true that Mut'ah was permissible during the life time of Prophet (SAW) and i had also said that in authentic narrations, he (SAW) forbade it. repeating these narrations is just you trying hard to force me to accept your views, i had said earlier, i respect your shi'a views...Something reminds me about being rigid, fanatical and what have you...

AlBaqir:
Yes no Sunni scholars faulted those narration because their chain is "Sahih". So the dilemma for these scholars come when there are equally "Sahih" ahadith and athar that proved it is not forbidden by the Prophet but 'Umar. Yet, many sahaba continued to be practicing it and validate it for people.

So its a matter of following Umar's fatwa on the premise. That he was among the "khulafau Rahidun". That's one possibility! Another one is that of making meat of one "sahih" hadith and fish of the other "sahih". So the opinion of any scholar is of no probative value where there's evidence in the Qur'an and Sunnah. Dishonesty galore!

True Islamic Scholars (Sunni) do not base their verdicts on dishonesty and lies, they work with what can be found in the Quran, Hadiths by weighing each narrations, the consensus, coupled with logical reasoning. all these are done with ijtihad...when their verdicts come to me as a Muslim, i also use my intellect, looking at the evidences put forward...Our Ulamah had based forbidden of Mut'ah with the above, i simply follow cos my intellect concurs with their submissions...

AlBaqir:
Again, you need to be prudent and respect opinion of others. If Shi'a declared it Daeef, there's nothing you can do about that other than to bring further argument.

Haven't i been polite? I brought same narrations found in your books with sahih chain, but it was classified as daef by Shia Scholars based on the following

1. it is Shaadh: A shaadh hadith has been explained as: What is narrated by a trustworthy narrator that goes against the narrations of the majority, and it was called shaadh because it is the opposite of mashhoor (popular). or Shaadh narrations as those that were not applied by our sect (Shia), even if they were authentic and didn’t conflict with other narrations. Mu’jam Mustalahat Al-Rijal wal Diraya p. 81

2. Taqqiyah: lieing under fear of ones life which begs the question, who was doing taqqiyah?!

3. It contains a sunni narrator do i need to remind you how you were arguing that sect is not the basis for rejecting a narration? But Alhamdulilah, it is not rejected, but classed as weak

AlBaqir:
Did I hear you well, sino?
Sino, again I am disappointed brother. I proved it to you the so-called hadith you rely on is Daeef as far as Sunni grading is concern. Yet you are here telling the world "Misconception".

Here's 'Allamah Nasir deen al-Albani:
"The summary is: three opinions are narrated from Ibn Abbas, may Allah be pleased with him, about mut'ah:

The one: he permitted it unconditionally

The second: he permitted it in case of necessity.

The last: he forbade it unconditionally, but this is from what is NOT authentically transmitted from him, unlike the first two opinions which are authentically transmitted from him."
~Irwa al-Ghali fi Takhrij Ahadith Manar al-Sabil, vol. 6 p. 319, #1903

Al-Hafiz ibn Hajar al-Asqalani too concur:
"As for Ibn Abbas, it is narrated concerning him that he permitted it, and it is also narrated concerning him that he withdrew from that. Ibn Battal said: The people of Makkah and Yemen narrated that Ibn Abbas permitted mut'ah, and it is (also) narrated concerning him with DA'IF chains that he withdrew. That he permitted mut'ah (till death) is more authentically transmitted, and it is the madhhab of the Shi'ah"
~Fath al-Bari Sharh Sahih al-Bukhari, vol. 9, p. 150

Well, what can i say, it is obvious our Scholars do not try to hide the truth or play tricks and being deceitful.

These are the Sahih narrations:

5116 – حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ بَشَّارٍ، حَدَّثَنَا غُنْدَرٌ، حَدَّثَنَا شُعْبَةُ، عَنْ أَبِي جَمْرَةَ، قَالَ: سَمِعْتُ ابْنَ عَبَّاسٍ: سُئِلَ عَنْ مُتْعَةِ النِّسَاءِ «فَرَخَّصَ»، فَقَالَ لَهُ مَوْلًى لَهُ: إِنَّمَا ذَلِكَ فِي الحَالِ الشَّدِيدِ، وَفِي النِّسَاءِ قِلَّةٌ؟ أَوْ نَحْوَهُ، فَقَالَ ابْنُ عَبَّاسٍ: «نَعَمْ»

Ibn ‘Abbas was asked regarding temporary marriage with women so he allowed it. On this one of his slaves said, “It is only in harsh condition, when there is lack of women?” or something of that sort. So Ibn ‘Abbas said, “Yes.” (Sahih Bukhari)

In a tradition from As-Sunan Al-Kabeer (14166) by Al-Bayhaqi Ibn ‘Abbas (ra) responded to the criticism of Sa’eed bin Jubair on his view on Mut’ah by saying, “I did not intend that, neither did I give such ruling regarding Mut’ah. Mut’ah is not permitted except in case of necessity. Indeed it is like the dead meat, blood and the flesh of swine.”

What we gather from the above hadith is that, Ibn Abbas thought Mut'ah to be permissible like eating pork due to necessity, this alone defits any other argument to say that Mut'ah is still permissible, for we know that the ruling on pork meat is Haram! Asliyan!

But did other sahabas agree with him?! we read further that some sahabas questioned his judgement amongst them were...

1. Ali (ra)
5115 – حَدَّثَنَا مَالِكُ بْنُ إِسْمَاعِيلَ، حَدَّثَنَا ابْنُ عُيَيْنَةَ، أَنَّهُ سَمِعَ الزُّهْرِيَّ، يَقُولُ: أَخْبَرَنِي الحَسَنُ بْنُ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ عَلِيٍّ، وَأَخُوهُ عَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ مُحَمَّدٍ، عَنْ أَبِيهِمَا، أَنَّ عَلِيًّا رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُ، قَالَ لِابْنِ عَبَّاسٍ: «إِنَّ النَّبِيَّ صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ نَهَى عَنِ المُتْعَةِ، وَعَنْ لُحُومِ الحُمُرِ الأَهْلِيَّةِ، زَمَنَ خَيْبَرَ»

Al-Hasan bin Muhammad bin ‘Ali and his brother Abdullah bin Ali both narrate from their father [i.e. Ibn al-Hanafiyyah] that ‘Ali said to Ibn ‘Abbas, “The Prophet (sallallahu ‘alaihi wa sallam) forbade from Mut’ah and the eating of domestic donkey’s flesh during the time of Khaybar.”

In Sahih Muslim it is like this:

حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ عَبْدِ اللهِ بْنِ نُمَيْرٍ، حَدَّثَنَا أَبِي، حَدَّثَنَا عُبَيْدُ اللهِ، عَنِ ابْنِ شِهَابٍ، عَنِ الْحَسَنِ، وَعَبْدِ اللهِ، ابْنَيْ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ عَلِيٍّ، عَنْ أَبِيهِمَا، عَنْ عَلِيٍّ، أَنَّهُ سَمِعَ ابْنَ عَبَّاسٍ يُلَيِّنُ فِي مُتْعَةِ النِّسَاءِ، فَقَالَ: «مَهْلًا يَا ابْنَ عَبَّاسٍ، فَإِنَّ رَسُولَ اللهِ صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ نَهَى عَنْهَا يَوْمَ خَيْبَرَ، وَعَنْ لُحُومِ الْحُمُرِ الْإِنْسِيَّةِ»

‘Ali heard of Ibn ‘Abbas being lenient regarding Temporary marriage so he said to him, “Wait O Ibn ‘Abbas! Indeed the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu ‘alaihi wa sallam) forbade it during Khaibar and from the meat of domestic donkeys.”

In another version of Sahih Muslim he said to Ibn ‘Abbas, “You are a person who has been led astray…”

2. Abdullah bin Zubair (ra)

حَدَّثَنِي حَرْمَلَةُ بْنُ يَحْيَى، أَخْبَرَنَا ابْنُ وَهْبٍ، أَخْبَرَنِي يُونُسُ، قَالَ ابْنُ شِهَابٍ: أَخْبَرَنِي عُرْوَةُ بْنُ الزُّبَيْرِ، أَنَّ عَبْدَ اللهِ بْنَ الزُّبَيْرِ، قَامَ بِمَكَّةَ، فَقَالَ: «إِنَّ نَاسًا أَعْمَى اللهُ قُلُوبَهُمْ، كَمَا أَعْمَى أَبْصَارَهُمْ، يُفْتُونَ بِالْمُتْعَةِ»، يُعَرِّضُ بِرَجُلٍ، فَنَادَاهُ، فَقَالَ: إِنَّكَ لَجِلْفٌ جَافٍ، فَلَعَمْرِي، لَقَدْ كَانَتِ الْمُتْعَةُ تُفْعَلُ عَلَى عَهْدِ إِمَامِ الْمُتَّقِينَ – يُرِيدُ رَسُولَ اللهِ صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ – فَقَالَ لَهُ ابْنُ الزُّبَيْرِ: «فَجَرِّبْ بِنَفْسِكَ، فَوَاللهِ، لَئِنْ فَعَلْتَهَا لَأَرْجُمَنَّكَ بِأَحْجَارِكَ»

Abdullah bin Zubair stood up in Makkah and said referring to a person, “Allah has made some people hearts blind as they as He has made their eyes blind; they issue verdict in favor of Mut’ah.” So that person called him and said, “You are uncouth and lacking in manners. By Allah, Mut’ah was practiced during the time of the leader of the pious i.e. the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu ‘alaihi wa sallam).” Ibn az-Zubair said to him, “Then do it by yourself. By Allah if you do that I will stone you with your own stones.”

3. Ibn Abi ‘Amrah al-Ansari objected to Ibn ‘Abbas on his view on Mut’ah. Hence, Abdur-Razzaq reports in “Al-Musannaf” (14033) through Az-Zuhri from Khalid bin Muhajir:

عَنْ مَعْمَرٍ قَالَ: أَخْبَرَنِي الزُّهْرِي، عَنْ خَالِدِ بْنِ الْمُهَاجِرِ بْنِ خَالِدٍ قَالَ: أَرْخَصَ ابْنُ عَبَّاسٍ فِي الْمُتْعَةِ، فَقَالَ لَهُ ابْنُ أَبِي عَمْرَةَ الْأَنْصَارِيُّ: «مَا هَذَا يَا أَبَا عَبَّاسٍ؟» فَقَالَ ابْنُ عَبَّاسٍ: فُعِلَتْ مَعَ إِمَامِ الْمُتَّقِينَ. فَقَالَ ابْنُ أَبِي عَمْرَةَ: «اللَّهُمَّ غُفْرًا، إِنَّمَا كَانَتِ الْمُتْعَةُ رُخْصَةً كَالضُّرُورَةِ إِلَى الْمَيْتَةِ، وَالدَّمِ، وَلَحْمِ الْخِنْزِيرِ، ثُمَّ أَحْكَمَ اللَّهُ تَعَالَى الدِّينَ بَعْدُ»

Ibn ‘Abbas permitted Mut’ah so Ibn Abi ‘Amrah said to him, “What is this O Ibn ‘Abbas?” He said, “I did it during the time of the leader of pious.” Ibn Abi ‘Amrah said, “May Allah forgive. Indeed Mut’ah was an exemption like in the case when the dead meat, blood or the flesh of swine is necessary. Then Allah completed his religion after that.”

4. ‘Abdullah bin ‘Umar also raised his voice against Ibn ‘Abbas regarding Mut’ah. Abdur-Razzaq (14035) reports:

14035 - عَنْ مَعْمَرٍ، عَنِ الزُّهْرِيِّ، عَنْ سَالِمٍ، قِيلَ لِابْنِ عُمَرَ: إِنَّ ابْنَ عَبَّاسٍ يُرَخِّصُ فِي مُتْعَةِ النِّسَاءِ فَقَالَ: «مَا أَظُنُّ ابْنَ عَبَّاسٍ يَقُولُ هَذَا». قَالُوا: بَلَى، وَاللَّهِ إِنَّهُ لَيَقُولُهُ قَالَ: «أَمَا وَاللَّهِ مَا كَانَ لِيَقُولَ هَذَا فِي زَمَنِ عُمَرَ، وَإِنْ كَانَ عُمَرُ لَيُنَكِّلُكُمْ عَنْ مِثْلِ هَذَا، وَمَا أَعْلَمُهُ إِلَّا السِّفَاحَ»

Saalim said: It was said to Ibn ‘Umar that Ibn ‘Abbas permits Mut’ah with women. He said, “I do not think Ibn ‘Abbas says that.” They said, “Indeed, by Allah he says that.” So he said, “By Allah, he would not say such a thing during the lifetime of ‘Umar. Indeed ‘Umar would punish you on such things. And I do not think of it except as adultery.” – This narration is present in Sahih Muslim but without mentioning Ibn ‘Abbas.

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kazlaw2000:
@sino, what do you have to say about these many narrations showing the Sahabas practiced muta'h well after the holy prophet's demise. This is not to slight u, i'm just eager to hear your own ( or anybody's else for that matter) explanation(s) for those narrations.

Brother, there is an authentic hadith that states the Prophet (SAW) made mut'ah forbidden, no Sunni scholar i know have faulted this narration, even such narration (the one by Ali (ra)) is also found in Shi'a books, even though they tagged it daef, i had presented them, and i had also addressed some of the misconceptions of notable sahabas who held on to the permisibity of mut'ah after the demise of the Prophet (SAW), i had also proven from books of tafsir that Qur'an 4:24 is not about mut'ah. These are what the Sunni believe, any other story is either the sahabah did not know about the ruling, it is a distorted story or a fabrication.

AlBaqir:
@Sino,
1. I found the view of Sheik Ibn Taymiyyah quite interesting and amusing sometimes. However, as usual the sheik is not consistent with his wording in the desperation to cover Umar's "Bid'ah".

Just as Ibn Taymiyyah opined, my firm believe is: Its either something is Bid'ah or its not Bid'ah (provided there's a support for it in the Shari'ah) if we are to go by the word "ALL BID'AH" (kulun bid'ah) just like "kulun Nafs dha'iqatil mawt (ALL NAFS will die).

On the other hands, anything good and praiseworthy even if prophet did not practice it will come under "good innovation". That's why I didn't fault "tarawih" .

Other issues: desperation that prophet 'led' the sahaba in the alleged tarawih has already been dealt with at the OP. One thing I was expecting from your quoting of Sheik Ibn Taymiyyah is his argument of Umar being one of the "khulafau Rashidun" thereby sheik used that to validate his Bid'a of Tarawih. All in all, try again later.

2. Sinooooooooooo What's the meaning of CRITICISM as against CURSING?

Criticize: Indicate the faults of someone
Curse: An appeal or prayer for EVIL or misfortune to befall someone

So there's absolutely fault which you simply don't want to admit in that translation. Even if you were to use the word "ABUSE", it still doesn't = CRITICIZE.

3. Interestingly you asked me to name sahaba that innovate and probably with the chain list of their innovations

*Prophet told you some among them will innovate and he will disown them on the day of judgment. You said its Ghayb

* A Sahabi confirmed THEY innovated after the demise of the prophet. You said no

* Allah Himself CURSED the Munafiqs among the sahaba in the Qur'an. Yet you said no

* Prophet also cursed some Munafiq's sahaba who plotted to assassinate him. Yet no

* Even one of your Sheik (Ibn Taymiyyah) CURSED the killers of Imam Hussain (as) and the ahl al-Bayt of the Prophet (peace be upon him and his household); and many many of your books listed the names of these murderers and there are names of sahaba among them.

Infact, your scholars need to redefine the word "Sahaba" because it doesn't fit every tom, dick and harry.

Your books confirm sahaba who used to drink alcohol, fornicate (adultery) etc yet if a Shi'a criticize, you cry foul. It is even an insult to righteous sahaba when you say "Radi'Allahu anhum ajmain". Allah clearly distinguish between goodness and evil.

Sino, its a lost case except we are simply being trying to be polite.

4. As per the hadith of al-Bara ibn Azib and his confession.
Abdullah ibn Abbas (RA) was crying bitterly one day (towards the end of his life). And he was asked why? He said "tell me a single practice the prophet left that has not been tampered with today"

The person said "as-Salat". Ibn Abbas was reported to have looked at him and said "Even that has been corrupted".
{Citation and ref. In sha Allah will come forth}

So it is funny when you said what al-Bara b. Azib intended as per "Bid'a" is not something pertaining to Deen. If you believe sahaba are fallible, then why protecting at all cost? Like I said earlier, we can only keep mute for courtesy sake.

For brevity and not to derail I wouldn't cite any example.

5. Sino, all your submissions to protect "Tarawih" or equate it to "Tahajjud" is null and void as far as Qur'an and Sunnah clearly defined Tahajjud, the timing, the number of rakah etc.

The hadith of Abu Hurairah you cited, I have told you whatever they are praying that night is GOOD but its definitely not Tahajjud. Take it or leave that's the plain truth, and you can see desperation of Sunni world trying to match-make.

6. As per your insistence on narration on No. of Rakah for prophet's Tahajjud, is the narration of Aisha not sufficient? The onus is on you to research what your Ulama says on that hadith or on the numbers of Tahajjud Rakah.

As per Umar's 20 rakah. I'm a bit disappointed brother. 8 vs 20? Yet you are telling me "does he make it obligatory? My point is to expose the lies that Tarawih is the same Tahajjud. Period.

You've known my aqeedah pertaining non-obligatory acts. If you like pray 1000 rakah per night in Ramadhan. So long you are capable of it and will not affect your wajibat. No problem. Please drop it my brother its a lost debate.

7. As per Tayamum issue, I can see how labored you are to protect Umar's verdict. What is the conditions that made Umar gave such verdict?
Sino, the fact that the questioner clearly stated his predicament for Umar, yet he gave that verdict, kill off whatever excuse you can bring forth to protect Umar's fatwa.. It takes courage and sincerity to submit to the truth brother for indeed Truth hurt.

8. As per the case of treaty of al-Hudaybiyyah vs Umar's doubtfulness.

It is fantastic and rather insulting trying to lure it with Nabi Ibrahim (as) and his seeking of Bayyina (manifest practical example). Why can't you use Nabi Musa's demand to see his Lord? Doesn't he believe in His existence? Please don't try that again brother.

The episode of Umar's ...at Hudaybiyyah is a long episode. What he did was unimaginable. I once opened a thread titled "Cold Truth About Umar Ibn al-Khattab". All these were highlighted there. Unfortunately the big boss deleted it after 3 days. So I am not interested going there again.

9. Imam 'Ali's report in Nahj al-Balagha.
That's Imam's ideal definition of "Sahaba of the Prophet" not the definition and aqeedah of Sunni that accommodate every sundry that include munafiq, apostate, hiding munafiq etc.

Do you even know Nabi Isa (as) was a Sahabi of Nabi Muhammad (peace be upon him and his household)? I remember Imam Ali's definition of his "Shi'a (follower and supporter)". The criteria and standard of being "sahaba" or "shi'a" which Imam 'Ali (as) describe is too high to accommodate every sundry.

Like Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani, his own definition of "Sahabi" is anyone who sees the holy Prophet (peace be upon him and his household). Ahlu Sunnah bus is very generous accommodating whoever but Shi'a bus is selective based on qualitative evident-based merit not "merit" acquired on dreams or "merits" that can never stand the light of Qur'an and historical facts.

It is obvious you know Nadah about Mawla Amir al-Muminin 'Ali Ibn Abi Talib al-Murtadha (alaihi salatu wa salam).

10. Please anytime you wanna quote Shi'a hadith, kindly ALWAYS give its GRADING and cite full references. So if you can qoute shi'a narration, never hesitate to put what I requested. That's what Albaqir does in Sunni's case. Thanks.

11. You are here with weird types of Hypocrites Sura al-Tawbah: 101 kill off the arguments.

12. All other submissions are just kinda repetitions or waste of energy thereby derailing the main topic which we've already does anyway. That's why I didn't touch them.

Many thanks for your time sir.
Fi amanillah.

I have only two things to say, and they are:

1. Okay, I agree, you do not curse them, but you criticize and expose their faults abi?
NB: But just take a look at the definition and the synonyms presented, and check the words I presented as the meaning of sabb in my Arabic dictionary, if you do not see similarities, then…
crit•i•cize
verb \ˈkri-tə-ˌsīz\
: to express disapproval of (someone or something) : to talk about the problems or faults of (someone or something)
: to look at and make judgments about (something, such as a piece of writing or a work of art)
Synonyms
blame, censure, condemn, denounce, dis (also diss) [slang], dispraise, fault, knock, pan, reprehend, slag [chiefly British], come down hard (on), find fault (with), take to task
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/criticize

Narrated AbuBarzah al-Aslami: The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: O community of people, who believed by their tongue, and belief did not enter their hearts, do not back-bite Muslims, and do not search for their faults, for if anyone searches for their faults, Allah will search for his fault, and if Allah searches for the fault of anyone, He disgraces him in his house. - Sunan of Abu Dawood, Number 2283

Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "Beware of suspicion, for it is the worst of false tales and don't look for the other's faults and don't spy and don't hate each other, and don't desert (cut your relations with) one another. O Allah's slaves, be brothers!" - Sahih Al Bukhari, Vol. 8 Number 717

Narrated Aisha: The Prophet (peace be upon him) said, "I do not like to speak of anyone's faults even if I should receive such and such." Tirmidhi transmitted it, calling it sahih. - Al Tirmidhi Hadith Number 1256

Narrated Abdullah ibn Umar: Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) mounted the pulpit and called in a loud voice, "You who have accepted Islam with your tongues but whose hearts have not been reached by faith, do not annoy the Muslims, or revile them, or seek out their faults; for he who seeks out the faults of his brother Muslim will have his faults sought out by Allah and he whose faults are sought out by Allah will be exposed by Him, even though he should be in the interior of his house." - Al Tirmidhi Hadith Number 1308

2. Qur’an 9 vs 101 reads:
وَمِمَّنْ حَوْلَكُمْ مِنْ الْأَعْرَابِ مُنَفِقُونَ وَمِنْ أَهْلِ الْمَدِينَةِ مَرَدُوا عَلَى النِّفَاقِ لَا تَعْلَمُهُمْ نَحْنُ نَعْلَمُهُمْ سَنُعَذِّبُهُمْ مَرَّتَيْنِ ثُمَّ يُرَدُّونَ إِلَى عَذَابٍ عَظِيمٍ

"And of the desert Arabs around you some are hypocrites; and of the people of Medina also. They persist in hypocrisy. Thou knowest them not; WE know them. WE will punish them twice; then they shall be given over to a great punishment."

I do not intend to further derail…

Thank you most for your time Sir,

Ma' Salam.

Lanrexlan, talk true, how many nasheed you get for your pc? I'm almost certain the size would be in the gigs...

Empiree:
i supposed many have been in this mode while snitching. Daris God ooo

nobody dey snitch o, na just solo levels some people dey...

Nice piece, Assalam alaykum laykorn, never knew you are Muslim, saw some of your work in the literature section, may Allah grant you more knowledge and understanding in all you do ameen.

@Empiree Assalam alaykum, I did not mean we cannot do more nawafil, i was just saying that since we can do more in non obligatory acts, which tahajjud is part of, doing more cannot be classified as a bid'ah, so we cannot say 20 rakah of taraweeh is bid'ah technically.

AlBaqir:
I wonder what Ibn Hajar's verdicts will be for those who Curse or Abuse the sahaba. Really that's Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani's opinion as a Sunni who believed in 'Infallibility' of the companion.

However, the holy Prophet (peace be upon him and his household) is crystal clear in this regards:
"Narrated AbuHurayrah:
The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: The gravest sin is going to lengths in talking unjustly against a Muslim’s honour, and it is a major sin to abuse twice for abusing once."
Sunnan Abu Dawud, Book 41, Number 4859

Do I criticize "these companions" unjustly? Do I tried to find 1001 reasons and excuse to justify their rash acts before criticized?
Does their criticism born out of the evil consequences of their acts, or just personal emotional reasons?

i do not think sunnis belief the sahabah to be infallible, but we are working with authentic narrations in defending the honor of the sahabahs and not giving room to people to start a fitnah in looking for the flaws of this sahabah or that sahabah. If you say they are not companions of the prophet (SAW) and that they have become kafirs, then the onus lies on you to proof that and remeber, the Prophet as warned that when you call a Muslim a kafir and he is not, then you become a kafir....

AlBaqir:
Well, that's your thought perhaps with a believe that ALL sahaba are righteous. Hadith in this regards are plentiful with clear words. Qur'an too is crystal clear in this regard. Then there is personal and historical confessions of some sahaba themselves for their Innovations after the death of the Prophet. Some even went extra miles in killing the family of their prophet. There's nothing Ghayb in this. Qur'an has given them judgment. Then there's nothing Ghayb (hidden) here especially when you choose to emulate the character of a Sahabi, then it become mandatory for you to know such a Sahabi.

If you see evils in his character and you bury it, or you see truth yet you fail to recognize and embrace it or you equate evil and good together, then Allah warns:
"..so whoever follows the right way, it is for his own soul and whoever errs, he errs only to its detriment..."

How many are those learn and know the truth but do not follow it!
Please Let it be known that Shi'a or Albaqir only criticized the hypocrites and evil ones among the sahaba. We respect and pray a lot for the righteous among them. So do not make it sound as if I criticize or hate ALL sahaba with no exceptions.
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The following are from shi’a collections…

وعن موسى بن جعفر عن آبائه عليهم السلام قال: قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم: (القرون أربع: أنا في أفضلها قرناً، ثم الثاني، ثم الثالث، فإذا كان الرابع التقى الرجال بالرجال والنساء بالنساء، فقبض الله كتابه من صدور بني آدم، فيبعث الله ريحاً سوداء، ثم لا يبقى أحد سوى الله تعالى إلا قبضه الله إليه بحار الأنوار: (22/309)

From Musa bin Jafar from his fathers who said: The Messenger of Allah (saw) said: There will be 4 generations, the best of generations is the one in which I am living, then the second, then the third [Biharul Anwar Volume:22 Page:309]

In the Shia book ‘Muruj al zahab’ by Masudi states that Abdullah ibn Abbas [r.a] said:

إن الله جل ثناؤه وتقدست أسماؤه خص نبيه محمداً صلى الله عليه وسلم بصحابة آثروه على الأنفس والأموال، وبذلوا النفوس دونه في كل حال، ووصفهم الله في كتابه فقال: رحماء بينهم

Indeed Allah is the One with pure names, who bestowed His Prophet Muhammad [s] with such Sahaba who sacrificed their lives and wealth on him, and left everyone accept him. The God Almighty mentioned their qualities in the Holy Quran in the words ‘compassionate amongst themselves’ [Muruj al zahab, Vol. 3, p. 52]

Also in Shia book, Al-Khisal:
7-6 حدثنا محمد بن جعفر البندار قال: حدثنا أبوالعباس الحمادي قال: حدثنا أبوجعفر الحضرمي قال: حدثنا هدبة بن خالد قال: حدثنا همام بن يحيى قال: حدثنا قتادة، عن أيمن، عن أبي امامة قال: قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله: طوبى لمن رآني وآمن بي، طوبى ثم طوبى يقولها سبعالمن لم يرني وآمن بي.

Muhammad ibn Ja’far al-Bindar narrated that Abul-Abbas al-Himady quoted on the authority of Abu Ja’far al-Hazrami, on the authority of Hodbat ibn Khalid, on the authority of Homam ibn Yahya, on the authority of Qitadeh, on the authority of Aymen, on the authority of Abi Imamat that God’s Prophet (saw) said, “”Blessed be those who saw me and believed in me, and blessed be those who believed in me without having seen me”. He repeated it seven times.{Al khisal, page 554}.

Majlisi graded it mutabar in Hayat ul Quloob:
ابن بابويه به سند معتبر از ابى امامه روايت كرده است كه حضرت رسول (صلى الله عليه و آله و سلم) فرمود كه: خوشا حال كسى كه مرا ببيند وايمان آورد به من؛ پس هفت مرتبه گفت: خوشا حال كسى كه مرا ببيند و ايمان آورد به من
[Hayaat ul Quloob, Vol. 2 , p. 913]

AlBaqir:
How many are those who learnt but do not follow! How many are those who are commanded but do not pay heed!
How many are those who believe then revert! Haven't you read ahadith where the Prophet (peace be upon him and his household) foretold the Apostacy of some companions?



What you have documented inside your sahih books are enough to know the innovators. Yet, you either re-interpret their innovations or see nothing wrong in it. Unto Allah is our final abode, and He is the best judge.

My previous quoted narrations are all from Shi’a books, they praise the attributes of the sahabah, there are more in Sunni collections about the virtues of the sahabah, that is what I want to remember them with, that is what Muslims should remember them with, rather than working with ambiguities, suspicions, assumptions and irrelevancies in the documents we have in regards to their lives. indeed, unto Allah (SWT) is our final return, and each shall give account of his deeds

Allah (SWT) says in the Qur’an
“O ye who believe! avoid suspicion as much (as possible): for suspicion in some cases is a sin: and spy not on each other nor speak ill of each other behind their backs. Would any of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? Nay ye would abhor it...but fear Allah: for Allah is Oft-Returning Most Merciful.” (Q 49:12)

AlBaqir:
Since when is it a guarantee and direct passport for salvation and paradise {"whoever saw the blessed face of Muhammad, ate and drank with him, and learnt from him"}?
In fact, the criteria for salvation and paradise as stated by Allah and His Prophet out of these your set criteria.

Are the polytheist, the jews, the christians, the Munafiq not saw the holy Prophet and his manifest guidance and message, ate with him and learnt from him? Yet, not ALL believe in him.

The path I choose for myself is the path of the Legacy left by Muhammad (peace be upon him and his household):
"I left behind over you TWO KHALIFAH (khalifatain); the Book of God...and my progeny, my ahl al-bayt. Both shall not separate from each other until they meet me at the hawz"

"I left behind over you TWO WEIGHTY THINGS so that if you adhere to it, you will NEVER go astray; the Book of Allah...and my progeny, my Ahl al-Bayt..."

There's no guarantee for anything outside this for the exclusive words of Muhammad is the Truth.

Personally, I pray and hopeful Allah will have mercy on my insignificant works for the sake of Muhammad and his household.



Wa alaykum salam. Thanks for your time wa Fi amanillah.



He knows best, and the little clarity man knows, he is left to choose the path of guidance or conceal the truth.

No, you don’t get it, I am not talking about what guarantees Janah.
Isn’t there a reason why Allah (SWT) says As-Sabiquna Sabiqun? Umar (ra) a Muslim who accepted Islam from the best of mankind, and then happened to witness the miracles, the hardship, the battles and learned directly as the revelations came, can never be compared to you Albaqir or anyone of us, no matter how you want take talk am, them these people pass you. Allah (SWT) chose them for his Prophet (SAW), their guidance is intact, as long as you accept they are Muslims! You or anyone of us are not in the position to criticize their actions or inaction, it is just like a primary school student criticizing a university student for having a carry over, on what basis I ask? Leave judgement to Allah (SWT), Allah (SWT) did not give us the responsibility to judge their actions, whether they are Muslim, Mu’min or Muhsin, Allah (SWT) says when narrating about pharaoh and Moses:

He (Moses) said: "Our Lord is He Who gave to each (created) thing its form and nature and further gave (it) guidance."

(Pharaoh) said: "What then is the condition of previous generations?"

He replied: "The knowledge of that is with my Lord duly recorded: my Lord never errs nor forgets (Q 20:50-52)

May Allah (SWT) guide us to the true path and give us much understanding and lots of wisdom in spreading the truth of Islam. Ameen

Jazakumullahu khayran for your reply.