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IslamRe: Jinn Stories by sino(m): 2:11pm On Dec 01, 2014
Interesting discuss here, just want to add my observations and thoughts.

I have come to understand that people would go to any length for power, money and fame, and our alfas are not left out. Recently, i was discussing with one of my ustaz about rawaniya, which he corrected to ruhaniyah meaning spirits, According to him, they are Jinn but they are Muslims. He made mention of the fact that he had encountered them before while reciting Ya Lateef (i cant remember the count, but i think it was in the thousands), he said they are the most beautiful creatures he had ever seen....All was sounding interesting until he mentioned what he had to go through, he said while making the recitation, he would be naked in the masjid, and still he would feel extremely hot that even the fans in the masjid couldn't abate the heat. (I didn't ask further in respect to what additional thing he was reciting with Ya Lateef)

My question is what was he really looking for? From what i gathered from our little discussion, i think it was power and money cos he hinted that he would have been stupendously rich if he had guidance on what next to do after meeting with the creature. To me, he might just have been hallucinating...

Some alfas use tricks (magic), some use jinns and the likes to convince and confuse. And in truth, some alfas are sincere and righteous, they stick to the Sunnah.

I believe if we understand that as Muslims, the allowance given to us in supererogatory forms of worship especially in zikr, nawafil and tilawatul Qur'an (in terms of count) that we choose to perform, cannot be used as a template for others (i.e mandatory on others), that we should do whatever capacity we can as long as we do not get tired and mumbling some mumbo jumbo for it is Narrated by 'Aisha:

"Once the Prophet came while a woman was sitting with me. He said, "Who is she?" I replied, "She is so and so," and told him about her (excessive) praying. He said disapprovingly, "Do (good) deeds which is within your capacity (without being overtaxed) as Allah does not get tired (of giving rewards) but (surely) you will get tired and the best deed (act of Worship) in the sight of Allah is that which is done regularly."
Sahih Bukhari Vol 1, Book 2, No 41

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "Religion is very easy and whoever overburdens himself in his religion will not be able to continue in that way. So you should not be extremists, but try to be near to perfection and receive the good tidings that you will be rewarded; and gain strength by worshipping in the mornings, the nights."
(See Fath-ul-Bari, Page 102, Vol 1). Sahih Bukhari Vol 1, Book 2, No 38

That what is given to us by the Prophet (SAW) is far superior to whatever we can come up with,

Sa‘d b. Abi Waqqås relates that he, along with Allah’s Messenger, peace be upon him, visited a woman who had infront of her some date stones or pebbles on which she was counting the glorification of Allah. So he said to her: “Shall I not inform you of something that would be easier or be better for you than this? Say: Glory be to Allah (Sub ̇håna’Llåh) as many times as what He created in the heavens. Glory be to Allah as many times as what He has created on earth. Glory be to Allah as many times as what He created between them. Glory be to Allah as many times as what He is creating. Then Allah is greater (Allåhu akbar) a like number of times; then Praise be to Allah (al ̇amduli’Llåh) a similar number of times; then There is no deity worthy of worship sav Allah (lå ilåha illa’Llåh) a like number of times; then There is no might nor power except Allah (lå ̇hawla wa lå quwwata illa bi’Llåh) a like number of times.”
Abu Dåwud, no.1500; al-Tirmidhi, no.3803, who said it is H ̇asan gharib. Al-Håkim deemed it Saheeh in al-Mustadrak, 1: 547, and al-Dhahabi concurred

Safiyyah relates: Allah’s Messenger, peace be upon him, visited me whilst I had in front of me four thousand date stones upon which I was counting glorifications. He said: “Do you count glorifications on these? Shall I not teach you what surpasses this?” I replied: Teach me. He said: “Say, sub ̇åna’Llåh ‘adada khalqihi - Glory be to Allah as many times as what He has created.”
Al-Tirmidhi, no.3789, who declared it gharib. Al-Håkim, 1:548, graded it as Sahih, and al-Dhahabi was of the same view. Ibn Hajr al-‘Asqalåni though, graded the Hadith Hasan in Natå’ij al-Afkår, 1:79.

And the fact that our acts of worship is accepted only if we have sincerity (al-Ikhlas) and following the Prophet (SAW) (al-mutaaba’ah), then we wouldn't be worrying ourselves with Ya seen 1,111 or Ya Lateef 70 million!

And in regards to al-mutaaba'ah, Sheikh Uthaymeen stated,
“And in order that it will be known – O brothers – that al-mutaaba’ah cannot be actualized, except when the action is in agreement with the Sharee’ah in six affairs:

The First:as-Sabab (reason, motive); So when the person worships Allaah with act of worship that is accompanied by a motive that is not legislated by the Sharee’ah, then it is an innovation that is rejected back to its doer. An example of that is when some of the people commemorate the twenty-seventh night of Rajab under the pretence that it was the night in which the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) ascended. So tahajjud (the night Prayer) is worship. However, when it is accompanied with this motive, it becomes an innovation. This is because this action of worship is built upon a motive that has not been confirmed in the Sharee’ah. And this description – the conformity of the worship to the Sharee’ah in motive – is an important affair that clarifies many innovations from amongst those that are thought to be from the Sunnah, yet they are not from the Sunnah.

The Second: al-Jins (type); so it is inevitable that the act of worship be in conformity to the Sharee’ah in its jins (type). So if the person worships with an act of worship whose type is not legislated, then it is not accepted. An example of that is if a man were to slaughter a horse, then this sacrifice would not be correct, because it has opposed the Sharee’ah in the type. So the blood sacrifices cannot be done, except with cattle, grazing livestock, camels, cows and sheep.

The Third: al-Qadr (quantity); so if the person increases in the Prayer that is obligatory, then we say that this is an innovation that is not accepted, because it opposes the Sharee’ah in quantity. With all the more reason, if the person prays the noon Prayer for example as five units, then his Prayer is not correct by agreement.

The Fourth: al-Kayfiyyah (manner, mode); so if a man performs ablution, and he begins with washing the feet, then he wipes his head, then he washes his hands, then his face, then we say that his ablution is null and void, because it opposes the Sharee’ah in manner.

The Fifth: az-Zamaan (time); so if the person slaughters in the first days of Dhul-Hijjah, then his blood sacrifice will not be accepted due it opposing the Sharee’ah in time. And I have heard that some of the people slaughter sheep during the month of Ramadaan in order to draw closer to Allaah with blood sacrifice. So this action in this manner is an innovation, because there is nothing with regards to drawing closer to Allaah with slaughtering, except for blood sacrifice, gifts and the ’aqeeqah. As for slaughtering in Ramadaan along with the belief that one will attain the reward of slaughtering, such as the blood sacrifice in ’Eedul-Adhaa, or slaughtering for the sake of meat, then this is permissible.

The Sixth: al-Makaan (place); so if a man performs i’tikaaf in other than a mosque, then his i’tikaaf is not correct. And that is because the i’tikaaf cannot occur, except in the mosques. And if a woman says, ‘I wish to perform i’tikaaf in the musallaa (place of Prayer) in the house,’ then her i’tikaaf is not correct due to opposition of the Sharee’ah in place. And from the examples of that is if a man desires to perform tawaaf. So he finds that the area of tawaaf has become too confined and he finds that whatever is around it has become too confined. So he starts to perform tawaaf from behind the mosque, then his tawaaf will not be correct, because the place of the tawaaf is the house.

So the act of worship cannot be considered a righteous action, except if two conditions are fulfilled with regards to it, the first is al-ikhlaas (sincerity) and the second is al-mutaaba’ah (following the Prophet). And al-mutaaba’ah cannot be fulfilled, except with the six affairs that have been previously mentioned.”
(Six Conditions of Ibaadah By Shaykh Muhammad bin Saalih al-`Uthaymeen)

I believe what is important is building the right aqeedah, having faith such that the sahabas had which made them cure a snake bite with Al-fatha. A lot of people flee from what is recommended, but are looking for shortcuts, they wouldn't mind sitting for several days reciting 70 million Ya Lateef, cos they've been told it would give them this and that, but they cannot stand in the middle of the night for tahajjud till their legs become swollen like the prophet (SAW) seeking only the pleasure of Allah (SWT).

And on tawwakul,;

Narrated from Umar ibn Al-Khattab, the Prophet (SAW) said:

"If only you relied on Allah a true reliance, He would provide sustenance for you just as He does the birds: They fly out in the morning empty and return in the afternoon with full stomachs."
Ahmad, An-Nasaa’I, Ibn Majah, Al-Hakim and At-Tirmidhi said: "Hassan sahih"

while studying this hadith, my Sheikh stated that the reason the Prophet (SAW) used the instance of a bird is that, the bird never stays in its nest all day, it moves about looking for what to eat, it flies from one sport to another, never resting in a particular place for long and such should be the case of a man who understands reliance on Allah (SWT).

And Allah (SWT) gives karamah to whomsoever he wills, your surest way to spirituality is by following the Sunnah!

And Allah (SWT) knows best.
IslamRe: Early Copy Of The Qur’an Discovered by sino(m): 10:37pm On Nov 25, 2014
tbaba1234:
Those vowel signs were invented for non arabs.
The inventors were life-savers grin
IslamRe: Early Copy Of The Qur’an Discovered by sino(m): 9:47pm On Nov 25, 2014
tbaba1234:
Those red dots are by later scribes, there were no dots or vowel signs...


SubhanAllah!
Imagine no dots or vowel signs, i guess majority were fixed on the oral recitation, cos the transition is quite amazing, from this to what we have now is just amazing... Subhanallah!
IslamRe: Early Copy Of The Qur’an Discovered by sino(m): 11:34pm On Nov 23, 2014
lanrexlan:
I think they are writing in ancient/old arabic because I can't see a dot on their 'faf' and 'qaf' has one dot on it.
Indeed it's an old script, Imagine people having to learn the Qur'an with this style now... lipsrsealed

Alhamdulilah!
IslamRe: Early Copy Of The Qur’an Discovered by sino(m): 9:10pm On Nov 21, 2014
Subhanallah! So this is a blessed writing of a companion or a tabi'in? So this is how they write back then? I find it difficult to make a sentence, except the last picture with Bismillah Ar-Rahman Ar-Raheem in the beginning...Allahu Akbar!
IslamRe: Poetic Da'wah And Other Da'wahtic Writings by sino(op): 1:12pm On Nov 17, 2014
abdoolhapheez:
wa iyyakum brother. Will insha Allah try to share more.thanks for the encouragement.
You are welcome bro.
IslamRe: Poetic Da'wah And Other Da'wahtic Writings by sino(op): 1:11pm On Nov 17, 2014
Sissie:
Thanks, I don't know about writing, who knows I just might come up with something.
You are welcome, okay, I will be hopeful something comes...In sha Allah.
IslamRe: The Reform Needed And Me by sino(m): 10:17pm On Nov 13, 2014
pmc01:
AlhamduliLLahi ladhi ahyana ba'da ma amatana wa ilayhi n nushoor.

AlhamduliLLah 'ala ni'matil Islam.

It's been a while really, observing Solah in this quite familiar agbalagba-dominated community Masjid.

The usual signs-
‪#‎ patronizing‬and coercing the 'I no go come Masjid' 'sleepers' and 'VIPs' with 'soul-searching' words and prayers for them to come to the Masjid to observe their Solah.

‪#‎ Then ‬to the Solah, one verse after Surah Al Fatha in each Rakah is just enough, I guess that's by 'popular demand'.

#Then the span of the last Sujud is probably longer than the time spent reciting Fatha and the one ayah that follows. *bukata must biya na, abi*

On the positive side though, some of the Adhkar recited after Solah conform with the Sunnah. For example, I was surprised, but relieved that it was Solatul Ibrahimiyyah that was recited instead of the common 'substitute(s)'prevalent in my dear Ibadan city. *(awa) omo Ibadan, kini s(h)ow*

The koko of this my early morning tori be say these our Babas don try. They have been very steadfast in their Da'wah of ensuring the Islamic legacy passed on to them from their own babas do not die. Even though the knowledge applied in the process might arguably be crude, the passion to see the Muslim community continue to grow and glow is obvious.

Evidently a lot still need to be reformed in these our societies. And this is why the youths should not just be lazy enough to sheepishly follow in the same steps of our dear Babas, without implementing the needed reforms.

It will be a crime on your head if you do not go out there to seek the proper knowledge of Islam, as enshrined in the Qur'an and Sunnah.

We must be genuinely concerned about improving upon the efforts of our fathers in rooting firm the Islamic culture in our communities.

If you continue to concentrate all your efforts in seeking greener pastures, without a care for upliftment of the Muslim community, then I wonder what will happen when the era of babas eventually come to naught.

If these Babas in the focus Masjid for this piece can learn to stick with Solatul Ibrahimiyyah in an environment where it is generally neglected or even resented, then there is hope that these our communities can learn to adapt to the structural changes of returning them back to the path of our righteous predecessors (whom Allah was pleased with and were pleased with their Lord).

Remember the steadfastness of the Ashab Kahf in reforming their community?
www.islamawaren ess.net/ Children/ story11.html

The ball indeed is in our court. Allahu L Musta'an.
@bold, I agree 100% The Babas had passion for the deen, and they would go to any length to practice the deen, so far it is said to be part of the Prophet's (SAW) sunnah.

The youth, Alhamduliah, at least things are getting better in terms of methodology of da'wah, previously, it was quite awkward.
I think the youth needs to understand that it is not only about nisfu sakh and beards or jilbab, it is about the whole package which instils beauty within, and which blossoms in such a way that people will appreciate and love to associate...

May Allah (SWT) continue to assist us all ameen.

Jazakumullahu khayran for the tori wink
IslamRe: Mecca Under Threat: Outrage At Plan To Destroy The ‘birthplace’ Of The Prophet by sino(m): 9:51pm On Nov 13, 2014
tbaba1234:
https://www.nairaland.com/1884467/attack-prophet-mohameds-sa-tomb#26026875
Jazakumullahu Khayran for this info again bro, LagosShia, should stop reading the independent again o! Look for a credible source abeg.
IslamRe: Mecca Under Threat: Outrage At Plan To Destroy The ‘birthplace’ Of The Prophet by sino(m): 9:33pm On Nov 13, 2014
LagosShia:
of course, this goes to show that in the aqeedah of the Wahhabis and their victims, the Prophet (sa) and his family (as) have no sanctity at all. this is ever more so obvious because Allah (swt) has blinded your hearts.

where is the sanctity for the houses of the Prophet (sa) which the Holy Qur'an obliges us to observe?

"O you who have believed, do not enter the houses of the Prophet except when you are permitted for a meal, without awaiting its readiness. But when you are invited, then enter; and when you have eaten, disperse without seeking to remain for conversation. Indeed, that [behavior] was troubling the Prophet, and he is shy of [dismissing] you. But Allah is not shy of the truth. And when you ask [his wives] for something, ask them from behind a partition. That is purer for your hearts and their hearts. And it is not [conceivable or lawful] for you to harm the Messenger of Allah or to marry his wives after him, ever. Indeed, that would be in the sight of Allah an enormity." (33:53)

did you seek the permission of the Prophet (sa) before destroying his house? who gave al-saud the authority to move a stone in Makkah and Madinah?

yes, you would say the Prophet (sa) is no longer with us, and he cannot be sought for permission. so then why do you not leave his house alone? is demolishing his house what the below verse asks us of respect to show the Prophet (sa)?

"Indeed, We have sent you as a witness and a bringer of good tidings and a warner. That you [people] may believe in Allah and His Messenger and honor him and respect the Prophet and exalt Allah morning and afternoon." (48:8-9)

“ًWhoever exalts the symbols of Allah, then that is from piety of the hearts” (Quran 22:32)
Ogbeni cool down, I purposely underlined "HYPOTHETICALLY" in my post, and you have not really answered my question. Anyways, before painting me as a wahabi/salafist and what have you, there is no substantial proof that saudi is indeed leveling the Prophet's birth place, and from the antecedent of the source you continually quote, it shows they are biased and not being truthful.

Do i think the prophet's (SAW) house should be leveled for any reason? NO! I only asked a question, in regards to the significance of the birthplace of the Prophet (SAW) to Islam as a religion. Do we stop being Muslims cos the birthplace of the Prophet (SAW) was destroyed?!
IslamRe: Mecca Under Threat: Outrage At Plan To Destroy The ‘birthplace’ Of The Prophet by sino(m): 9:04pm On Nov 13, 2014
IslamRe: Poetic Da'wah And Other Da'wahtic Writings by sino(op): 8:42pm On Nov 13, 2014
Sissie:
How come am just seeing this thread.

Now following.
Welcome Sissie!

Good, I hope you would also contribute your writings too in sha Allah.
IslamRe: Poetic Da'wah And Other Da'wahtic Writings by sino(op): 8:30pm On Nov 13, 2014
abdoolhapheez:
BEAUTY OF A MUSLIMAH


The hijab is her swagg,she always got it on

Iman in her heart,she's steadfast aiming for jannah
The whispers when she walks by don't make her look over her shoulder
She remains firm of faith even if they mock and tease her

She is on siratal mustaqeem
Far away from shayateen
And she will be under Allah's shade on yaumu-deen

She's following in the footsteps of the mothers of believers
And not trying to imitate these so called divas
Her eyes are set on the ultimate prize,the beautiful gardens of jannah with flowing rivers
Wow Nice one Bro! it's a beautiful piece...

The above part are my favorites, and i love the blending of Arabic words with English, it always sounds cool cool

and i love the rhymes too

Looking forward to more...

Jazakumullahu khayran for sharing brother smiley
IslamRe: They Wont Stop Opposing A Sunnah (mut'ah) But Prefer A Bid'ah (misyar) by sino(m): 9:35pm On Nov 11, 2014
AlBaqir:
@sino, dear brother you are very wrong in rejecting ahadith compiled or narrated by the 'heretics' - shi'a or mutazili or Rafida'. Those who used to reject based on Madhhab do that in accordance with their emotional hatred or feeling.

Madhahab is not a criteria of scrutiny. The (Only) criteria are trustworthiness and sound of memory.

If according to your findings, Ibn kathir could label Ibn Abi 'l-Hadeed as a man of letters and eloquent poet, the question is: was he trustworthy and sound in memory?

'Allamah al-Albani writes:

@sino, dear brother you are very wrong in rejecting ahadith compiled or narrated by the 'heretics' - shi'a or mutazili or Rafida'.

Madhahab is not a criteria of scrutiny. The (Only) criteria are trustworthiness and sound of memory.

If according to your findings, Ibn kathir could label Ibn Abi 'l-Hadeed as a man of letters and eloquent poet, the question is: was he trustworthy and sound in memory?

'Allamah al-Albani writes:
"If someone says: 'The narrator of this...was a Shi'a, and also in the chain of the main hadith, there is another Shi'a...Does this not justify attack on the hadith and constitute a fault in it?

So, I answer: "Not at all, because the requirements in the transmission of hadith are ONLY truthfulness and sound memory. As for the madhhab (of the narrator), that is between him and his Lord, and He is sufficient for him."


~Silsilah al-Ahadith al-Sahihah wa Shayhun min Fiqhihah wa Fawaidihah, vol.5 p.262, #2223

Interestingly, even the 'almighty' Imam Bukhari reported MANY (tens of hundreds) from Shi'a in his prestigious Sahih.

And to put the record straight, Ibn Abil Hadid is not a Shi'a but a Mutazilite. Try to read about Mu'tazili belief.

Wa salam.
You are correct on the fact that trustworthiness and strength of memory are the major yardstick for analyzing narrators, but my statement is based on the following:

While stating the reasons for fabrication, and the need for authentication, in the introduction of the book, “An Introduction To The Science Of Hadith” by Suhaib Hasan, he states

“...The other more important reason was the deliberate fabrication of ahadith by various sects which appeared amongst the Muslims, in order to support their views (see later, under discussion of maudu' ahadith). Ibn Sirin (d. 110), a Successor, said, "They would not ask about the isnad. But when the fitnah (trouble, turmoil, esp. civil war) happened, they said: Name to us your men. So the narrations of the Ahl al-Sunnah (Adherents to the Sunnah) would be accepted, while those of the Ahl al-Bid'ah (Adherents to Innovation) would not be accepted."

In the section C of the book, while discussing on maudu' ahadith (fabricated hadith) and the factors that influences them, the author stated:

“The author, in his Criticism of Hadith among Muslims with reference to Sunan Ibn Majah, has given more examples of fabricated ahadith under the following eight categories of causes of fabrication:

1. political differences;
2. factions based on issues of creed;
3. fabrications by zanadiqah (enemies-within spreading heretical beliefs);
4. fabrications by story-tellers;
5. fabrications by ignorant ascetics;
6. prejudice in favour of town, race or a particular imam;
7. inventions for personal motives;
8. proverbs turned into ahadith.

Similar to the last category above is the case of Isra'iliyat ("Israelite traditions"wink, narrations from the Jews and the Christians which were wrongly attributed to the Prophet (may Allah bless him and grant him peace).”

I do not intend to discuss science of hadith and I'm not sure of having the book of Sheikh Albany to confirm what you have written. But, on Sahih Bukhari, I had posted a quote, showing the extensive work done on these books of ahadith (6 in total), establishing the sahih, hasan, da'if, and maudu', and that is why they take precedence over other books of ahadith...

And Allah knows best.

wa salam brother.
IslamRe: Poetic Da'wah And Other Da'wahtic Writings by sino(op): 3:16pm On Nov 10, 2014
abdoolhapheez:
Jazakallah khairan..nice poem..'kill the sin and the evil will die'..favorited
Wa iyyakum bro, Thanks! smiley
IslamRe: They Wont Stop Opposing A Sunnah (mut'ah) But Prefer A Bid'ah (misyar) by sino(m): 8:01pm On Nov 09, 2014
AlBaqir:
No matter how hard anybody try to curry-flavored Misyar Nikkah, it is still what it is - a Bid'ah never known in the Shariah. What is known in that 'concept' is Mut'ah.

Part of what you don't know about this weird misyar wedding is that a man can marry a woman with an intention of divorce at so so time. Knowing or not known to the woman doesn't matter. Sheik Ibn Baz ruled.

When a scholar like Sheik Nasir deen al-Albani says : "It is legal but immoral", I find it insincere on his part. These are the people who boast of following nothing but the sunnah. Trying to prove the legality of Misyar nikkah is just like twisting the shariah to suit their emotional need.
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Judgement is based on what is apparent, if someone decides to marry, but his intention is to divorce after a particular period, then we are to judge on what is apparent, did he do nikah? yes, do we know his intention? No, only Allah (SWT) knows that. I do not see any complexity in regards to this.

See, if you called it bid'ah, you may be right, that is not the issue, is the Nikah valid? yes if it conforms with the requirements of Nikah, an example is going to the registry, in the Nigerian constitution, your marriage is valid, but it can be immoral or deficient, it is as simple as that.
AlBaqir: On the other hand, one thing is crystal clear about
Mut'ah. There is ijma (consensus) that it was practised during the lifetime of the holy prophet (peace be on him and his household) but Ummah till date divided on its legality till the day of judgment - Sahabah, tabi'in, tabi-tabi'in, ulamas alike.
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There is Ijma' amongst the sunni, Nikkah mut'ah was permitted, and then prohibited forever by the Prophet (SAW), to my knowledge, it is only the shi'a that still believe it is still permissible, as i have said earlier, i respect your views.
AlBaqir: As per Ibn Zubairs! A sincere mind doesn't based his research rigidly on Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslims only. Young muslims have been trained today to see bukhari and muslim's sahih as par of the holy Quran.

While Sahih Bukhari is trying to convince muslims that Abdullah and Ur'wah ibn Zubair were born long before Mut'a was in existence which it dated to be 7th of Hijrah at khaibar or conquest of makkah at 8th Hijri (just for 3days), other books like sahih Muslim and vast majority of others were saying these personalities of the Sunni were born out of Mut'ah wedlock which suggested that mut'ah was in existence long before that time. Those among the sahaba, tabi'in etc who believe Q.4:24 legalizes mut'a are on the point because these verse is early madina sura.

While you quoted some ahadith in this regard, dubiously, the word "mut'ah" was used alone in some of these hadith thereby the commentators said it is not clear whether it is of hajj or women.

"Muslim al-Qurri said: I asked Ibn Abbas about Mut'a and he permitted it, whereas Ibn Zubair had forbidden it. So Ibn Abbas said: "This is the mother of Ibn Zubair who states that Allah's messenger had permitted it, so you better go to her and ask her about it. He (Muslim al-Qurri) said: So we went to her and she was a bulky blind lady. She said: Verily Allah's Messenger permitted it."
~~Sahih Muslim, Arabic version 1980 Edition pub in Saudi Arabia, vol.2 p.909, hadith #194-195.

NB: In tradition #195, the sub-narrator said: "The narrator used the word 'Mut'a' alone, and I do not know if it was Mut'a of Hajj or Mut'a of women". It is crystal clear that what Ibn Zubair used to forbade was Mut'a of women as it is clear from other hadith.

Interestingly, Ibn Zubair kept on insulting Ibn Abbas by saying his heart is blind simply because he believed in the validity of Mut'a. Ibn Zubair forgot he himself was born out of Mut'a! (Sahih Muslim vol. 1 p.354; al-Iqd al-Fareed vol.2 p.139).

In fact, according to Sharh Ibn Abi al-Hadid vol. 4 p. 489 - 490, Ibn Abbas said:

"O Ibn Zubair! As for the blindness, verily Allah said in Quran that: 'For indeed it is not the eyes that grow blind, but it is the hearts, which are within the bosoms, that grow blind.'(Q.22:46)
'And as for my religious verdicts, there are reasons behind them that neither you nor your companions comprehend them....As for mut'a, you better ask your mother Asma'!...

When Ibn Zubair came back to his mother and ask her about mut'a, she replied: Did I not warn you from facing Ibn Abbas and facing Bani Hashim (the clan of the prophet), because they have answer for everything. O my son! Avoid this blind man for neither human nor unseen creatures (Jinn) can corner him."

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There is nothing bad in looking at other sources, but the issue is how authentic are what is found in them? Sahih Bukhari and Muslim have undergone extensive analysis especially in the area of rijal, even though there may be errors, it doesn't in anyway take away the efforts put into it as well as other books of kutubu sitah.
A number of traditionists made efforts specifically for the gathering of information about the reporters of the five famous collections of hadith, those of al-Bukhari (d. 256), Muslim (d. 261), Abu Dawud (d. 275), al- Tirmidhi (d. 279) and al-Nasa'i (d. 303), giving authenticating and disparaging remarks in detail. The first major such work to include also the reporters of Ibn Majah (d. 273) is the ten-volume collection of al-Hafiz 'Abd al-Ghani al-Maqdisi (d. 600), known as Al-Kamal fi Asma' al-Rijal. Later, Jamal al-Din Abu 'l-Hajjaj Yusuf b. 'Abd al-Rahman al-Mizzi (d. 742) prepared an edited and abridged version of this work, punctuated by places and countries of origin of the reporters; he named it Tahdhib al- Kamal fi Asma' al-Rijal and produced it in twelve volumes. Further, one of al-Mizzi's gifted pupils, Shams al-Din Abu 'Abdullah Muhammad b. Ahmad b. 'Uthman b. Qa'imaz al- Dhahabi (d. 748), summarised his shaikh's work and produced two abridgements: a longer one called Tadhhib al-Tahdhib and a shorter one called Al-Kashif fi Asma' Rijal al-Kutub al- Sittah.

Narrations from books authored by deviants, known people of desires and bid'ah are not accepted, for example, Ibn Abi al-Hadid, is reported to be an extremist shia or mutazilite (either one or both),
Ibn Kathir describes him as follows in al-Bidayah wan-Nihayah (year 655, vol. 9 p. 82):
" Ibn Abil Hadid al-‘Iraqi: the poet ‘Abd al-Hamid ibn Hibatillah ibn Muhammad ibn Muhammad ibn al-Husayn, Abu Hamid, Ibn Abil Hadid, ‘Izz ad-Din al-Mada’ini; the man of letters, the eloquent poet, the extremist Shi‘i. He is the author of a commentary on Nahj al-Balaghah in 20 volumes. He was born at Mada’in in the year 586. Then he went to Baghdad and became one of the poets in the court of the Khalifah. He enjoyed the favour of the wazir Ibn al-‘Alqami, on account of the two of them having literature and Shi‘ism in common."
On wiki, he is described as a mutazilite, as such, quoting from him would not be accepted.

AlBaqir: This is where I will sign off on mut'a issue. I hope those who ignorantly accused shi'a of practicing 'fornication' have learnt that once they do that, they've accused their prophet, notable sahaba whom they adore, of sanctioning and practicing 'fornication'.

@sino, I'd like to send you some books in pdf, they are interesting research books written recently. I hope you will in sha Allah, find it very interesting.
Here's my mail: seeabdwasi@gloworld.blackberry.com

Thanks a lot brother for your time. Wa salam alaykum.
Okay, no qualms, i would send you a mail, i hope i find it interesting too in sha Allah.
you are welcome brother, wa alaykum salam.
IslamRe: They Wont Stop Opposing A Sunnah (mut'ah) But Prefer A Bid'ah (misyar) by sino(m): 6:07am On Nov 09, 2014
Empiree:
nawa oooo.... This is a case of kettle calling pot black.
My posts on Misyar are not sanctions for misyar, they are meant for educational purposes only

1. Misyar is not like mut'ah, one is permanent Nikah, while the other is temporary Nikah, hence it's validity if all the conditions of Nikah are met.

2. Misyar is not given a pass mark by scholars, there is no consensus and it is peculiar to certain region, the prevalence is as a result of some issues bordering around finances, widows and divorced women.

3. As rightly stated by Mufti Muhammad Ibn Adam, it is not found in the Qur'an, Sunnah or classical works of Islamic Jurisprudence, thus, it is a matter not explicitly sanctioned by the shari'ah, and can only be based on Ijtihad, hence the conclusion to seek counsel from a reputable scholar based on individual's peculiarity.

And Allah (SWT) Knows best
IslamRe: They Wont Stop Opposing A Sunnah (mut'ah) But Prefer A Bid'ah (misyar) by sino(m): 8:15pm On Nov 08, 2014
<QUESTION>

What is a Nikah Misyar? Is this kind of marriage permitted according to Shari’a?
<ANSWER>
In the name of Allah, Most Compassionate, Most Merciful,

The term “Nikah Misyar” (translated sometimes as “travellers’ marriage” or “marriage of convenience”) is not found in the Qur’an, Sunna or classical works of Islamic jurisprudence. It is a term that has been introduced recently by those discussing a specific type of matrimonial arrangement. However, the concept of such an arrangement can be found being discussed in the works of classical Muslim jurists (fuqaha).

In order to understand the correct Islamic viewpoint regarding Nikah Misyar, it is essential to first be familiar with the exact meaning of this term, as understood by those who have discussed it.

Definition

A Misyar marriage can be defined as an official marriage contract between a man and a woman, with the condition that the spouses give up one, two or several of their rights by their own free will. These include: living together, equal division of nights between wives in cases of polygamy, the wife’s right to housing (sukna) and financial support (nafaqa). In some cases, only one right is relinquished by the spouses, such as living together, but the husband is still required to provide housing for the wife and maintain her financially, whilst in other instances, the wife gives up all her rights including housing and financial support. The bottom line in such arrangements is that the couple agree to live separately from each other, as before their Nikah contract, and see each other to fulfil their needs in a lawful manner when they so desire. At times, a Misyar marriage is contracted on a temporary basis which ends in divorce on the expiration date of the contract.

Islamic Ruling

As for the Islamic ruling concerning such marriages, there are two issues to consider:

1) Validity and permissibility;

2) Appropriateness.

I. Validity and Permissibility

If all the basic requirements for an Islamic marriage contract are fulfilled, then this type of marriage arrangement is permissible and valid, and the couple will not be guilty of being involved in an unlawful illicit relationship. The basic requirements for a valid marriage according to Shari’a are the following:

a) Offer (ijab) from one party and acceptance (qabul) from the other in one session (majlis), and that this offer and acceptance is verbal and thus heard and understood clearly. In other words, the agreement of both parties.

b) The presence of at least two male witnesses (shahidayn), or one male and two female witnesses, who hear and clearly understand the offer and acceptance. (Mukhtasar al-Quduri 2/140 & Fath al-Qadir 3/190)

c) The consent of a legal guardian of the woman (wali) is also a necessary requirement according to the Maliki, Shafi’i and Hanbali Schools of Sunni Islamic Law. However, according to the relied upon position in the Hanafi School, the marriage of a free, sane and adult woman without the approval of her guardian (wali) is valid if the person she is marrying is a “legal” and suitable match (kuf’) for her. Conversely, if the person she is marrying is not a legal match for her, then her marriage would be considered invalid. (Radd al-Muhtar ala ‘l-Durr al-Mukhtar 3/56-57 & I’la al-Sunan 11/69 in the chapter: “Having a guardian is not a pre-requisite for the validity of an adult woman’s marriage”. For more details, please refer to the answer previously posted on this website titled: “Divorced woman marrying without her guardian’s approval”).

d) The absence of a fixed time-period. It is a basic requirement of a valid marriage contract that it does not entail any agreement of it being limited to a specified time such as two moths or five days, since it is essentially the Mut’a marriage that has been explicitly prohibited by the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him and give him peace).

Classical jurists (fuqaha) have clearly stated the impermissibility and invalidity of time-limited (mu’aqqat) marriages. Imam al-Haskafi, the renowned Hanafi jurist, states:

“A Mut’a and time-limited marriage (nikah mu’aqqat) is invalid, even if the period [of marriage] is unknown to the wife or is prolonged...” (Radd al-Muhtar ala ‘l-Durr al-Mukhtar 3/51. Also see for the Shafi’i School: Mughni al-Muhtaj Sharh al-Minhaj 4/231, for the Hanbali School: Kashshaf al-Qina’ 5/96-97, and the Maliki School: Hashiyat al-Dasuqi ala ‘l-Sharh al-Kabir 2/238-239)

As for when there is no explicit mention of the marriage being limited to a specified time, but both or one of the spouses intend to terminate the marriage some time in the future, the position of the majority of classical scholars is that such a marriage is valid, and the couple will not be guilty of involving themselves in an unlawful relationship.

It is stated in al-Fatawa al-Hindiyya, a renowned Hanafi reference work:

If a man marries a woman unconditionally [i.e. without it being limited to a specified time], and it is in his intention to remain with her for a time that he intends [and then divorce her], then the marriage is valid...” (al-Fatawa al-Hindiyya 1/283)

Likewise, Imam Ibn al-Humam (Allah have mercy on him) states in his Fath al-Qadir:

As for when the husband marries and it is in his intention to divorce her after a period that he intends, then the marriage is valid.” (Fath al-Qadir, 3/152)

The Shafi’is also state that if one marries, and it is in his intention to divorce the wife after a period of time he has in mind, the marriage is considered valid. As for the Hanbalis, they have explicitly stated that if a person marries with the intention of divorcing the woman, even without stating it explicitly in the marriage contract itself, then the marriage is invalid, because it is a temporary marriage, which is invalid by explicit primary texts. (See: al-Mawsu’a al-Fiqhiyya, Kuwait)

Since Islam emphasises upholding marriages, the couple will not be obligated to terminate their marriage according to their intention, rather they must not resort to divorce without a genuine reason. Marrying with the intention of ending the marriage after a given period is disliked according to Shari’a, and as such, a marriage contracted with such an intention in mind is also disliked, although valid per se. (Mufti Taqi Usmani, Fiqhi Maqalat 1/258)

So, the basic minimum requirement in order for a marriage to be considered Islamically valid is that there be a valid offer from one party and a corresponding acceptance from the other, in the presence of two male (or one male and two female) witnesses who are able to hear clearly and understand what is happening. The offer, acceptance and the presence of the witnesses must all take place in the same session and at the same place, and there must not be any explicit mention of the marriage being limited to a specified time. The consent of the woman’s guardian is also necessary according to the three Schools, and in some cases, according to the Hanafi School also. As for the payment of dowry (mahr), this is the woman’s right and should be stipulated at the time of the marriage contract, but it is not a pre-requisite for the validly of the marriage.

As such, if the above necessary factors are met, the marriage is valid according to Shari’a, even if it is a “Misyar” marriage. Thus, if the Misyar marriage is limited to a specified time, it is invalid, and the couple’s relationship will be unlawful and sinful. Men who sometimes enter into a “temporary” Misyar marriage while on holiday must realize that if this is explicitly mentioned at the time of contracting the marriage, then it would make such a marriage invalid and unlawful, and more akin to Mut’a. If there is no explicit mention of this, but the man marries with the intention of divorce, then it is disliked, and unlawful [but valid] if it entails harm to the woman.

Giving up Rights

As mentioned earlier, the basic feature which distinguishes Misyar from a standard marriage is that the spouses, and more specifically the wife, gives up one or several of her rights by her own free will.

Islamically, it is permitted for both parties to mutually agree upon relinquishing one or several of their rights, which they would otherwise be entitled to in a standard marriage. The wife may forego her right to housing, spending time with her husband and/or financial support. The husband may give up the right of his wife living with him at his residence.

Sayyida A’isha (may Allah be pleased with her) relates that Sawda bint Zam’a (may Allah be pleased with her) gave up her [right of spending the] day [with the Messenger of Allah] to A’isha, and so the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) used to give A’isha both her day and the day of Sawda (Allah be pleased with both).” (Sahih al-Bukhari, no: 4914)

Sayyida A’isha (may Allah be pleased with her) relates that in his fatal illness, the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him and grant him peace) used to ask, “Where will I be tomorrow? Where will I be tomorrow?” wanting the day of A’isha. His wives gave him permission to be wherever he wished, so he was in the room of A’isha until he passed away by her...” (Sahih al-Bukhari, no: 4185)

It is stated in al-Fatawa al-Hindiyya:

“It is not wrong to marry a woman on a day-time basis (nahariyyat). This means that the man marries her on the condition that he will spend the day with her but not the night.” (al-Fatawa al-Hindiyya 1/283)

It should be noted, however, that if a wife gives up her rights, she is entitled to reclaiming them. She may ask her husband to fulfil all her rights, including that he provide for her financially. The husband can also demand that she move in with him at his residence.

Imam al-Haskafi (Allah have mercy on him) states:

“If a wife grants her right of spending time with the husband to her co-wife, then this is valid, but she has the right to reverse her decision in the future if she so desires.” (See: Radd al-Muhtar ala ‘l-Durr al-Mukhtar, 3/206)

II. Appropriateness

The above discussion was regarding the permissibility and validity of a Misyar marriage. As for whether such a marriage is appropriate according to Shari’a, generally speaking, the answer would have to be no, since it goes against the spirit and objectives of marriage, which is to establish a long-term relationship as a family, and raise righteous Muslim children. The children raised by their mother in a home from which the father is always absent may well suffer psychologically and spiritually.

It is even worse in a situation where the man is only concerned about his own sexual desires and has no regard for his wife. He does not hesitate in marrying and divorcing women as and when he so desires. Some irresponsible men go on holidays to poor countries and marry young women by offering them money, riches and a lavish lifestyle, only to divorce them after a few weeks or months. They do this on a continuous basis, marrying women and then divorcing them, without any regard for the creation of Allah Most High. As a result, the wife finds herself abandoned and leading a solitary life as before the marriage, but traumatized by the experience, while her social status and reputation degraded. Harming and deceiving others are both great sins in the eyes of the Shari’a.

On the other hand, a Misyar marriage may be the only option in certain situations. Some women, as they get older, find it increasingly difficult to marry. In such cases, the woman may marry a man who is not able to fulfil the normal marital duties like financial support or spending adequate time with her. Marrying such a husband is better for her than remaining unmarried.

A young couple may be engaged to one another and have the consent of their respective guardians (wali) to marry. They wish to marry as soon as possible, because they genuinely fear committing Zina, but the man does not have the financial resources to support his wife. This type of marriage could meet their needs allowing them to marry whilst living with their parents until they are ready to move in together.

Some divorced or widowed women, who have their own residence and their own financial resources, genuinely cannot, or do not, want to marry again in the normal manner. Some women, who are burdened with heavy duties and responsibilities, are unable to live with their husbands and serve them. A Misyar marriage may well be suited to them.

In fact, some classical scholars such as Imam Abu ’l-Faraj ibn al-Jawzi (may Allah have mercy on him) have suggested that it may even be healthy for the marriage if both spouses mutually agree to spend time apart from one another or sleep separately, and be together occasionally in order to maintain a high level of sexual passion for one another. (Sayd al-Khatir, P: 605- 606)

As such, in conclusion, whether a Misyar marriage is appropriate or not, this depends on each individual case and scenario. One should thus discuss the particulars of one’s case with a knowledgeable and God-fearing scholar. As for its validity, if all the basic requirements for a standard Islamic marriage are fulfilled, it is valid, keeping in mind that the wife is entitled to reclaiming her rights that she gave up at the time of marriage whenever she so desires.

And Allah knows best

[Mufti] Muhammad ibn Adam
Darul Iftaa
Leicester , UK
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IslamRe: They Wont Stop Opposing A Sunnah (mut'ah) But Prefer A Bid'ah (misyar) by sino(m): 8:13pm On Nov 08, 2014
Question

What is Misyar / Misyaar Marriage. Is it an acceptable form of Nikah?
Answer

In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Assalaamu `alaykum waRahmatullahi Wabarakatoh

Misyaar is described as a form of marriage in which the wife gives up her rights from her husband for example living with her in the same house and providing her with necessary expenses etc. The husband may come to see her at her parent’s home at whatever time he chooses for himself, or at a time agreed by the two.

Misyaar is been practiced in Saudi Arabia and Egypt. Wealthy men sometimes enter into a Misyaar marriage while on vacation especially to poor countries for example Egypt and Syria. Families agree to the arrangement because of the money and the hope that their girl will have some fun and visit places that she can only dream about (i.e. luxury hotels and restaurants). They also hope for some gifts at the end of the vacation and that the rich "husband" will give her some money and divorce her. Sometimes the husband keeps the wife for the next vacation and sends her some money now and then.

Many Misyaar wives hope to win the love of their husbands so that they may live with them permanently. Since the wife knows that she will most likely be divorced, she is more cautious of falling pregnant. It is believed that Misyaar merely permits men to have sexual relations without committing the sin of adultery. In Saudi Arabia 30 men and women aged between 20-40 were surveyed regarding Misyaar marriage. Over 60 percent of the men surveyed favoured Misyaar marriage with the majority of the respondents in their 20s.

The opinions of women respondents about Misyaar marriage were in sharp contrast to the males’. More than 86 percent of the women aged between 20-40 would not even consider such a marriage for themselves. Only four women, all in the over 40 category would consider such marriages for themselves or relatives. Most of the women respondents called it “legal prostitution”. Many have assimilated Misyaar to Mut’a (Shi’a temporary marriage)

The Qur’an says:

وَمِنْ آَيَاتِهِ أَنْ خَلَقَ لَكُمْ مِنْ أَنْفُسِكُمْ أَزْوَاجًا لِتَسْكُنُوا إِلَيْهَا وَجَعَلَ بَيْنَكُمْ مَوَدَّةً وَرَحْمَةً إِنَّ فِي ذَلِكَ لَآَيَاتٍ لِقَوْمٍ يَتَفَكَّرُونَ

"And among His signs is this, that He created for you mates from among yourselves, that you may dwell in peace and tranquility with them, and He has put love and mercy between your (hearts): Verily in that are signs for those who reflect" (Surah Rum V:21).

يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ اتَّقُوا رَبَّكُمُ الَّذِي خَلَقَكُمْ مِنْ نَفْسٍ وَاحِدَةٍ وَخَلَقَ مِنْهَا زَوْجَهَا وَبَثَّ مِنْهُمَا رِجَالًا كَثِيرًا وَنِسَاءً وَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ الَّذِي تَسَاءَلُونَ بِهِ وَالْأَرْحَامَ إِنَّ اللَّهَ كَانَ عَلَيْكُمْ رَقِيبًا

"O Humans fear your Guardian Lord, Who created you from a single person created of like nature its mate, and from this scattered (like seeds) countless men and women. Fear Allah through whom you claim your mutual rights" (Surah Nisaa V: 1).

The objective and the goal of marriage in Islam is to enable the spouses to dwell in peace and tranquillity which is achieved through equity, equality, and fulfilment of mutual rights. Marriage binds the spouses and leads them to live a common life and form a family that develops into a deep spiritual and sentimental relation­ship. Marriage is not merely an instrument for legalizing sexual relations, but it is an agreement which unites the very existence of the husband and wife and gives a new colour to their life. It turns them into a couple instead of single individuals and makes them complementary to each other.

The concept of Misyaar marriage is void of fulfilling many fundamental rights of the spouses and reducing the institution of Nikah to merely fulfilling ones passion. Man has been created feable and cannot control his desires and passions. Every person should be the judge of himself as to whether such marriages of this nature conform to the teachings of our beloved Nabi (sallallahu alaihi wasallam).

And Allah knows best

Wassalam

Ml. Ebrahim Desai,
Student Darul Iftaa

Checked and Approved by:

Mufti Ebrahim Desai
Darul Iftaa, Madrassah In'aamiyyah
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IslamRe: They Wont Stop Opposing A Sunnah (mut'ah) But Prefer A Bid'ah (misyar) by sino(m): 8:39pm On Nov 07, 2014
AlBaqir:
@sino, ma sha Allah. At least weve both presented our arguments only for objective mind to take a stance.

Sorry, when you claimed mut'a is just to fulfill sexual desires, have you forgotten that Zubair ibn Awwam and Asma bint Abu bakar had children, Abdullah and Ur'wah through mut'a?

Whats sunni's position on that. Abdullah ibn Zubair later became a top dog in sunni world.
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Still on my question- solution to a soldier or bussinessman's sexual desire.
If what you presented is indeed sunni submission, then why is the same sunni sought solution in MISYAR NIKKAH?

This shows there is no ijma to the solution of that question. The listed points remain a theory that can never be practice by ALL. Even prominents and common sahabas failed in controlling this animal desire.

Wa salam.
Well, first and foremost, going by the definition of mut'ah, and how it was practiced, and even the site of Sistani, shows clearly that children is never part of the goal of mut'ah, but we know that unprotected sex can lead to pregnancy, so a "marriage" where the woman is not entitled to any subsistence while in it or even when pregnant simply shows that babies are not actually wanted.

on the Zubair Ibn Awwam and Asma' Bint Ababakr, it is strange to me, so i went online digging for info

Asma' bint Abi Bakr (ra)

This is the analysis of the narration of Mut`ah attributed to Asma' (ra).

The narration discussed is this one:

دخلنا على أسماء رضي الله عنها فسألناها عن متعة النساء ، فقالت : فعلناها على عهد رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم

[We entered upon Asma' (ra) and asked her about the Mut`ah of women, so she said: "We did it during the time of the messenger (SAWS)."]

The chain of narrators for this Hadith is:

روى شعبة ، عن مسلم القري ، عن أسماء

Shu`bah narrated, from Muslim al-Qurriy, from Asma' (then he mentions it)...

Now four people have narrated this from Shu`bah and they differed in the text of the narration.

(1) abu Dawoud al-Tayalisi from Shu`bah:

A- Yusuf bin Habib, from abu Dawoud al-Tayalisi, from Shu`bah, from Muslim al-Qurriy, from Asma' (he mentions "Mut'ah of women" )

B- Mahmoud bin Ghiylan, from abu Dawoud al-Tayalisi, from Shu`bah, from Muslim al-Qurriy, from Asma' (he mentions "Mut'ah of women" )

sources: Musnad al-Tayalisi, Sunan al-Nasa'i, Mustakhraj abi Na`eem `ala Muslim.

C- `Amro bin `Ali al-Fallas, from abu Dawoud al-Tayalisi, from Shu`bah, from Muslim al-Qurriy, from Asma' (he only mentions "Mut'ah" )

D- `Abdah bin `Abdullah al-Saffar, from abu Dawoud al-Tayalisi, from Shu`bah, from Muslim al-Qurriy, from Asma' (he only mentions "Mut'ah" )

sources: Mu`jam al-Tabarani al-Kabir, Mustakhraj abi Na`eem `ala Muslim.

(2) `Abdul-Rahman bin Mahdi, from Shu`bah, from Muslim al-Qurriy, from Asma' (he only mentions "Mut'ah" )

sources: Sahih Muslim, Mustakhraj abi Na`eem `ala Muslim.

(3) Ghandar, from Shu`bah, from Muslim al-Qurriy that he said: "I do not know whether it is the Mut`ah of women or the Mut`ah of Hajj."

source: Sahih Muslim.

(4) Ruh bin `Ubadah, from Shu`bah, from Muslim al-Qurriy: I asked ibn `Abbas about the Mut`ah of Hajj and he gave me a Rukhsa for it but ibn al-Zubayr used to prohibit it. so he said: This is the mother of ibn al-Zubayr and she narrates that the Prophet (SAWS) used to give a Rukhsa in it, soenter on her and ask her. He said: So we entered on her and she was a big blind woman, she told us: The Prophet (SAWS) gave a Rukhsa for it.

sources: Sahih Muslim, Mustakhraj abi Na`eem `ala Muslim, Mu`jam al-Tabarani al-Kabir, Musnad Ahmad.

Conclusions:

FIRST: The only narrator to mention "Mut`ah of women" in the Hadith is abu Dawoud al-Tayalisi. By doing this, al-Tayalisi differed with those who are much more numerous and reliable in Hadith, such as Ghandar, ibn Mahdi, and Ruh. It should be noted that the narration of the other three is given priority not only because they are are stronger in narrating and more numerous, but also because their narration from Shu`bah in specific is far more reliable.

SECOND: Those who narrated from al-Tayalisi also differed, a group said "Mut`ah of women" and another group only said "Mut`ah". What is more reliable is the narration of those who simply said "Mut`ah" for several reasons:

a- Those who narrated it with the Lafth "Mut`ah" are much more reliable, for example `Amro bin `Ali al-Fallas is from the strong Huffaz, and the sheikh of the authors of the six main books. As for `Abdah bin `Abdullah al-Saffar, Bukhari narrates from him, but the other two men who stated the Lafdh "Mut`ah of women" do not reach their level, this is clear because none of the authors of the six main books narrates from Yunis bin Habib.

b- The Lafth "Mut`ah" is that of the majority from Shu`bah so it gets precedence.

THIRD: The narration of Ruh bin `Ubadah has all the details of the story of how they went to ibn `Abbas (ra) and how he referred them to the mother of his opponent ibn al-Zubayr (ra) to strengthen his argument. This shows that this narration is better memorized and it is one of the factors of giving a narration precedence in case of contradiction.

FOURTH: Muslim bin Qurriy who is the main narrator from Asma' (ra) had doubts in the narration of Muhammad bin Ja`far Ghandar, from Shu`bah, that Muslim said: "I do not know whether it is the Mut`ah of women or the Mut`ah of Hajj." It is popularly known that Ghandar is from the strongest narrators from Shu`bah.

قال أحمد بن حنبل : قال غندر : لزمت شعبة عشرين سنة

Ahmad ibn Hanbal said: Ghandar said: "I stuck with Shu`bah for twenty years."

FIFTH: It is impossible that Asma' bint abu Bakr (ra) did the Mut`ah of women, because the Rukhsa that allowed the Muslims to practice Mut`ah of women was in al-Fath or in Khaybar then it was prohibited forever, and Asma' was not in the army of Ghazwat al-Fath, and she got married to al-Zubayr ibn al-`Awwam (ra) a long time before these events took place, and she did her immigration when she was pregnant with `Abdullah ibn al-Zubayr (ra), and he was the first born in Islam. So it's impossible that she did Mut`ah while she was already married and al-Zubayr (ra) is famous for being extremely jealous.

Narrated Asma' bint Abu Bakr (ra): I conceived `Abdullah bin al-Zubayr at Makkah and went out (of Makkah) while I was about to give birth. I came to Madinah and encamped at Quba', and gave birth at Quba'. Then I brought the child to Allah's Apostle and placed it (on his lap). He asked for a date, chewed it, and put his saliva in the mouth of the child. So the first thing to enter its stomach was the saliva of Allah's Apostle. Then he did its Tahnik with a date, and invoked Allah to bless him. It was the first child born in the Islamic era, therefore they (Muslims) were very happy with its birth, for it had been said to them that the Jews had bewitched them, and so they would not produce any offspring.

source: Sahih al-Bukhari.

Narrated `A'ishah (ra): The first child who was born in the Islamic Land (i.e. Madinah) amongst the Emigrants, was `Abdullah bin al-Zubayr. They brought him to the Prophet (SAWS). The Prophet (SAWS) took a date, and after chewing it, put its juice in his mouth. So the first thing that went into the child's stomach, was the saliva of the Prophet (SAWS).

source: Sahih al-Bukhari.

SIXTH: This narration is no different than that of Jabir ibn `Abdullah (ra) in which he said that they did it in the time of the Prophet (SAWS), it doesn't say that it wasn't later forbidden as was reported by `Ali (ra) and `Umar (ra) and ibn Mas`oud (ra) and others...
http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/printthread.php?t=57727&pp=10&page=171

@Misyar, honestly, i only came across it on this thread, i don't know "shi shi" about it, i have not read about it, nor have i listened to any scholar's opinion about it, and i am so reluctant to even try...but i'll see what i can do during the weekend if i am free in sha Allah.
IslamRe: Poetic Da'wah And Other Da'wahtic Writings by sino(op): 8:21pm On Nov 07, 2014
Beautiful by Boonaa Mohammed


Maybe you're smarter than me,

Or maybe you just know how much your worth?

Or maybe you don't need anyone to tell you you're beautiful

Cause you already knew that the day you came out the womb

Maybe you know too much, or maybe you just expect the worst

Or maybe you aint trying to be nobody's baby unless he speaks with your dad first

Maybe you're saving yourself for heaven cause you can't stand this earth

Maybe you're saving yourself from hell, Iblis and the ones who are cursed

Maybe you see past deception, maybe this world is a lie

Maybe we're like in the matrix, but you're unplugged and you can fly

Maybe you just wanna go back home so you stare at the sky

Maybe you know the difference between living and just being alive

Maybe you are a slice of this life's ultimate prize

Cause maybe your mind has been divinely designed

But maybe it's just me or maybe its maybeline

Or maybe I should do a better job at lowering my gaze but honestly you're amazing

And I treat you like a queen cause you give me no choice

My sister in deen it is time to rejoice,

For you who believe and work righteous deeds,

There is a garden of bliss, for all of eternity

If only you would believe what your eyes could not see

Which begs the question what is beauty?

Maybe it's the way her bodies shaped or the way she's dressed?

But if everyone was blind, how many people would you impress

The best couldn't care less for tight jeans or a short dress

Or those shirts that expose what God told you to protect

And I don't mean to sound rude, but how could you approve of any dude

Who doesn't mind sharing you with the whole world too?

And he don't think you're beautiful, he think your booty full

Glossed lips with make up on every single cuticle, and it aint cute at all

Cause if those shoes hurt your feet, why don't you just take them off

Some girls think that pain equals sexy, and if you got it show it off

But nobody even looks happy with those plastic smiles on

And those magazines are wrong, forget men and their songs

Love yourself first before you take anyone else on,

And to love yourself is to love the one whom which all love belongs

There is beauty in creation, but creator really got it going on

There is something seriously wrong, with pre-teens in thongs

And middle aged moms who cant see life move on

So they tell wrinkles to be gone, buy hair to make it long

You cant keep it real, cause you dont even know who you are

You women are oppressed, forced to flaunt your thighs and chest

And before puberty, you already on a diet

Promoting Unclothedness, like it's some kind of natural science

But you're a diamond, I shouldn't even see past the glass cage unless I'm buying

But if you have no shame then do as you please

Cause what is beauty, but an extension of modesty?

So maybe she's right, maybe she does deserve respect

Maybe she walks around feeling like a superhero with that scarf dangling from her neck

Maybe nobody is forcing her to wear it,

Maybe she would never leave home without it,

And maybe she don't care what people think, cause most opinions aint even valid

Maybe she feels free; maybe she has peace of mind

And maybe she'll give you a piece of her mind if you step out of line,

Maybe she isn't perfect, but maybe she's trying

Maybe she is just taking things one day at a time

Maybe she laughs and maybe she cries

And maybe you would be surprised at everything she keeps inside

Maybe she hears every single word said by those cowards

Maybe she has no problem defying all those who doubt her

Maybe she is a warrior and the silence is getting louder

Maybe she wears that shield cause every single day is a battle

Maybe she is more than the skin she is in,

Maybe we should start learning how to love what's within

Maybe God only knows all the places she has been

But maybe she comes back to him, again and again

Maybe she's not afraid to die, just afraid not to live

Maybe I am not worthy of everything she can give

Maybe she is kind, sweet, pure, gentle and suitable

And maybe, just maybe she is beautiful
IslamRe: Poetic Da'wah And Other Da'wahtic Writings by sino(op): 12:59pm On Nov 07, 2014
The Deen Over The Dunya

The dunya over the deen he was
The partier, the zina merchant he was
His sins piled up as his faith dried up
He was with a short spoon with the devil, he was always riled up

Stone-cold heart like ice!

The deen never in the home
The home, never a save haven
The dunya was his home
His deen was his desires, locked in vile tavern

Suddenly death came knocking
Grabbing him by the jugular, he groaned
Spare my life he whispered
Give me a second chance he pleaded

Then, the deen he sought with utmost valour
He seek to redress his wordly misdemeanour
He wants to right his wrong
He needs to be strong

But his past hunted him day and night
Like monsters, they gave him fright
There seems to be no help in sight
He was doomed, unless he puts on a fight

The world is wicked, the evil must die
Sins are evil, the people are vile
Kill the vile and stop the bile
Kill the sin and the evil will die

Then came the answer, the true path
the path to fight sin and kill the evil
With beautiful deeds, kind words and enormous good
Till the deen over the dunya he is

Pure white heart like snow!
Glows with sparkles and light
The sparkles and light of Islam!
IslamRe: They Wont Stop Opposing A Sunnah (mut'ah) But Prefer A Bid'ah (misyar) by sino(m): 12:20pm On Nov 07, 2014
AlBaqir:
@sino, here are my final conclusion:

4. Question:
What is Sunni's (only those who deemed Mut'a haram) solution and verdict for a soldier's or a businessman's sexual urge who is on a mission for years or months, away from his family?

Please don't mention fasting for it cannot solve majority's problem. Even sahaba failed in this regard. I Have once iron that out on this forum.
I respect your shi'a opinion, and as i have mentioned earlier, it is a fiqh issue which should not cause any major differences normally. I think we have established so far, that it is not mandatory, it is prohibited for married couples, and it is only recommended (according to the shai'a) for a minute group (those who cannot control their sexual desires) in the society.

To your question then, i quote from Tafsir Akham Al Qur'an :

The Ahl Sunnah justified the prohibition of mut'ah based on the summarry of the following points

Firstly: Sex is unlawful except with a wife or the female which the right hand possesses, this is based on Allah (SWT) statement: “And those who guard their private parts, except with their wives or what the right hand possesses” (Qur'an 23 vs 5-6). this (woman in mut'ah) is not a wife, and she is not what your right hand possesses, for if she was a wife, then there would be inheritance, and proven relationship by marriage (lineage and kinship) and also, obligatory iddah. The agreement of mut'ah does not prove all these, hence it is void.

Secondly: indeed, there are hadiths that reports the prohibition, among them is what was narrated by malik from Azhury with is chain, narrated from Ali (ra) that verily the Messanger of Allah (SAW) prohibited Mut'ah of women and the eating of donkey meat.

Thirdly: what was related by Ibn Majah, that the Messanger of Allah (SAW) forbade Mut'ah, by saying: “Oh people,, I had permitted for you mut'ah, and verily Allah has definitely forbidden it till the day of judgement”.

Fourthly: Indeed, Umar (ra) forbade it while on the minbar during his days of being the Caliph, the Sahabas, agreed (or affirmed) may Allah have mercy on them all, and their agreement is not a mistake, and if they agreed on it by mistake (or for any other reason), then it means it is a consensus from them.

Fifthly: Indeed, temporary marriage is only inteded to satisfy the desire, it is not intended for procreation, nor for taking care of the children. The initial intention is just to marry, but it can be likened to fornication, in the sense that, the intention of enjoyment without anything else attached, and Allah the most high said: ...seeking chastity not fornication (zina)” and there is nothing intended with mut'ah except to fulfill the desire, to ejaculate and free the vessels... thus, mut'ah is nullified based on these conditions.

I know some of the hadiths have been discussed, i am just presenting the sunni's perspective...

In the furtherance of the sunni perspective, i say, not having sex for a long period of time will not lead to death, and sex is just a thing of the mind. In most cases, when your mind is preoccupied with productive activities, you basically think less of sex. You can definitely tame your sexual urges.

Islam has provided practicable steps in avoiding illegal sexual intercourse, and they include,
1. Lowering the gaze

2. Not associating with the opposite sex whereby you are both alone in seclusion

3. Putting on cloths that do not reveal the awrah of both man and woman

4. Engaging in religious activities that increases Iman, ihsan and taqwa such as supergatory fasting, salah and tahajjud

5. Associating oneself with righteous people, attending study circles where you are reminded about Allah constantly

6. And lastly, early marriage

These steps are applicable whether you are traveling or living in your own community, if you are single, you can always get married anywhere in the world.

If you are married before traveling, you take your wife along, I know of people who traveled for various reasons, like study and job, and they took their wives with them, not only that, institutions around the world, even within Nigeria, understand and acknowledge the importance of family, thus they always ask the status questions, which enables them provide comprehensive support (if there is any) for your family.

I have read a narration in regards to Umar (ra) setting the limit of 3 months for a soldier on military expeditions, this was as a result of a woman complaining about missing her husband. This has always been the verdict of sunni scholars, it is highly disliked being away from your wives for long periods, thus the issues with tabligh brothers and their long da'wah camps.

Jazakumullahu khayran for your time. May Allah continue to give us His tawfeeq ameen.
IslamRe: Jinn Stories by sino(m): 10:50am On Nov 06, 2014
Empiree:
This is amazing, isnt? I didnt even know thread like this exist. I am reading every post here and at the same time looking over my shoulder lol.. It was getting real in my head with tbaba1234 narratives.

The thing is this, stuff that involved incantation etc are just plain haram. I just cant phantom that. I insist on Rawaniyah instead. Just that when a muslim begin this spiritual journey, Jinn may first get in your way a lot like a story i was narrating on another thread. The man was just praying and getting deep into it back in the 60s/70s. Jinn would come in and stole his money and other valuables. At times, they would make noise to distract him. At times, they relieved themselves in his room and they smell worse than shit.

He said one of them even appeared in form of a pretty woman sitting on his table shortly after he took a break and stepped to his terrace in his Lagos Island apartment. He clearly didnt leave any lady inside. Shouldn't expect one. Definitely, she's something else. She wanted to seduced him. But he quickly recognized she's Jinn. She disappeared after few juz. They knew he was being devoted so they came around. They bothered him like that for yrs before finally getting a break. He later encounter 'Rawaniyah'. Rawaniyah are said to be 2nd in rank to Malaika. Most of them are Muslims. They have lots of Dua to offer. We cant see them too. But when the dua reaches certain level, you hear "salam alaikum". Just that many Muslims treat this part of islam with suspicion this days. He said the first time he heard salam sent to him, he was relieved to the bottom. Unlike the Jinn who just came anyhow to steal and run.

Jinn are no no for me. I dont want those fellas. I barely see folks talk about Rawaniyah though. Those are pure ones. Most do not incarnate. Jinn dont cross their line. The only way to attain that is dua, fast, abstaining from intercourse even from your wife for a little while. Nothing else.

I have a story to narrate regarding this Rawaniyah but the victim he's helping, the case in still active. I want to see how it ends before I say anything on it. But looks like the end is nigh. Brief hint though, the case involves a long time family friend who was attacked in 2009 by his mother-in law, his wife etc. They brought him down to the rock bottom. The incident is taking place from 9ja to NY back n fourth. What do they want from this man is really a million $$ question. Above all, Allah knows and Sees All Things.
Hmmm interesting, but my understanding of rawaniyah is quite different, mostly what i know is that it is still seeking help from them, and if they are Kafirs, then they put you on conditions that nullifies your Islam...

Seeking help from jinns is shirkh i believe.
IslamRe: They Wont Stop Opposing A Sunnah (mut'ah) But Prefer A Bid'ah (misyar) by sino(m): 10:36am On Nov 06, 2014
AlBaqir:
@Sino,
Umar's Sermon
I have said so many about this sermon.

The sermons are too explicit and mutawattir thereby contradict the single report that Umar refer the prohibition to the prophet.

Some versions of the sermon reads:
"Two types of mut'ah existed during the time of Allah's Messenger and I prohibit people from them"

"Two types of mut'ah were present during the lifetime of Rasulullah, I prohibit them both, mut'ah of women and Mut'ah of Hajj"

In Tafsir Kabir of Imam Razi, it reads:
"Two Mut'ah existed during Rasulullah's lifetime and I now prohibit both of them"

In Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbali, Abi Nadhra said: "I said to jabir ibn Abdullah that Ibn Zubair prohibits Mut'ah while Ibn Abbas allows it. He (Jabir) replied:"Through me this hadith has been circulated, we performed Mut'ah with Allah's messenger, and Abu Bakar, but when Umar become caliph he addressed the people and said:"The Quran is the same Quran, Allah's Apostle is the same apostle, and there were two types of mut'ah during the time of Allah's messenger, one was the Mut'ah of Hajj whilst the other was Mut'ah regarding women".
~vol. 1 pg 52 hadith 369

* In fact part of the sermon showed that Umar threatened people with the punishment of stoning - whoever practice Mut'ah. No doubt that is even against the shariah for stoning is for a married man/woman who committed adultery. Here Imam Fakhr deen al-Razi absolved Umar that he just used that to frighten people and not that he meant it.

** Why was Mut'ah of Hajj reversed long after Umar's death and not Mut'ah of woman? After all he prohibited the two together.
*****************

You made a very sound argument that if we assumed that it was Umar who prohibited Mut'a during his days as a caliph, why were Uthman and Ali not revert the practice back?

I don't want to say much about the khilafa of Uthman. That is another subject on its own. But suffice is to say that Uthman's assumption of power was characterized by the oath he made to follow the "Quran, the sunnah of the prophet and the sunnah of the two sheiks (Abu Bakar and Umar)".

Before Umar dies, he appointed 6 candidates: Abdurrahman ibn Awf, Zubair, Talha, Uthman, Ali and (sorry I forgot the last man). His explicit will was that his successor should be choose among the 6 and if there's dispute, and there was 2 parties, the party in which Abdur-Rahman belong should emerge where his successor will be chosen.

At the end Talha, Zubair support Ali. While Abdur-Rahman ibn Awf and x supported Uthman making two parties. However, 'Ali was told: "You are going to be appointed as the khalifa based on three conditions - that you follow Quran, the Sunnah of the prophet and the sunnah of the two sheik"

Ali rejected the third condition. Uthman accepted it and he was made the 3rd khalifa of the muslim.

The 14 years of the reign of Uthman was in line with the sunnah established by the two sheiks. So there's no going back on Mut'a.

'Ali's Khilafa
Imam 'Ali was reported to have said through many narration:
"Had Umar not prohibited mut'a, no one but a wretched will commit zina"

This is an indication that Ali had no power to overrule the prohibition of Umar or continuity of the prohibition by Uthman. Almost 3 decades of both Khilafa - Umar and Uthman.

Imam 'Ali's ruled for 4 years. Years plagued with civil wars not known at his predecessors time. In fact, the very moment he assumed power, the beats of the drums of battle can be heard everywhere.

* Battle of Jamal

* Battle of Siffin

* Battle of Nahrawan

Each of these battles lasted for months. What many historian write about the khilafa of Ali was war war war. Yet shi'a have many traditions attributed to Imam Ali that he approved of Mut'ah. We have sermons, sayings, letters, maxism etc of Imam Ali at the time of Khilafa. All these were missing in the basket of traditions of Ahlu Sunnah.
To the above, i'll quote an argument from tafsir Ar Razi again:

ما روي عن عمر رضي الله عنه أنه قال في خطبته : متعتان كانتا على عهد رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلّم أنا أنهي عنهما وأعاقب عليهما ، ذكر هذا الكلام في مجمع الصحابة وما أنكر عليه أحد ، فالحال ههنا لا يخلو إما أن يقال : انهم كانوا عالمين بحرمة المتعة فسكتوا ، أو كانوا عالمين بأنها مباحة ولكنهم سكتوا على سبيل المداهنة ، أو ما عرفوا إباحتها ولا حرمتها. فسكتوا لكونهم متوقفين في ذلك ، والأول هو المطلوب ، والثاني يوجب تكفير عمر ، وتكفير الصحابة لأن من علم أن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلّم حكم باباحة المتعة ، ثم قال : إنها محرمة محظورة من غير نسخ لها فهو كافر بالله ، ومن صدقه عليه مع علمه بكونه مخطئا كافرا ، كان كافرا أيضا. وهذا يقتضي تكفير الأمة وهو على ضد قوله : {كُنتُمْ خَيْرَ أُمَّةٍ} (آل عمران : 110).

And what was narrated in regards to Umar (ra) forbidding the two mut’ah, this statement was made in the congregation of sahabas, and no one repudiated his claim. This kind of position held by the sahabas leaves us either to say:
1. They know of the prohibition of mut’ah, and therefore were silent
2. They know that it is permissible, but kept quiet just for “eye service”
3. Or they do not know either it is permissible or prohibited, and thus they were comfortable in being silent

The first would be what is expected, for the second requires the takfir of Umar (ra), and the takfir of the sahabas because who ever knows that the Prophet (SAW) ruled on the permissibility of mut’ah, and says it is haram and forbidden without (proof) of its abrogation, is a kafir, and whoever validates him, knowing that he is in the wrong and a kafir, is also a kafir, and this will lead to the takfir of the ummah and this is against the statement of Allah (SWT): “you are the best ummah...” Qur’an 3:110 (Tafsir Ar Razi)

Uthman (ra) ruled for 14 years, and no sahabah challenged him in regards to the rulings of Umar (ra)?! Actually, this goes against what I was thought in regards to the thirst for knowledge and the determination to act on the sunnah by the sahabas (may Allah have mercy on them all).

And in regards to Ali”s (ra) statement, even admitting that he made such a statement, it then means he didn’t see it as an issue, the statement does not in any way suggest he disapproves what Umar (ra) did, nor does it say he revert the ruling of umar(ra). Agreed he had his hands full with different skirmishes and battles, one would have expected a solid narration that would show his disapproval of the changing of the sunnah by his predecessors, and then establishing the sunnah 100%.

In conclusion, I find the reasons put forward by sunni scholars responsible and appropriate in regards to the prohibition of mut'ah. The Shias, from what you have presented so far, shows that it is not a free for all affair, in regards to mut'ah, but should be as a result of conditions and necessities which then limits it to a certain group of people in the society.

All in all, I believe what should be promoted is the permanent Nikkah, it is what creates the family as described in the Qur'an and Sunnah, and it is what creates the society at large.

And Allah Knows best.
IslamRe: They Wont Stop Opposing A Sunnah (mut'ah) But Prefer A Bid'ah (misyar) by sino(m): 10:27am On Nov 06, 2014
AlBaqir:
@Sino,
2. Report of Imam Ali (as) Concerning Prohibition of Mut'ah At Khaybar

"Verily the Prophet of God banned the mut'a of temporary marriage and the eating of the meat of domesticated asses."
~Al-Tafsir al-kabir, vol. III pg. 287 - 288.

In Shi'a narration, this hadith is also found but graded as fabrication of the zaidis for many reasons among which is lying attributed to some of the narrators.
Kindly visit: www.shiapen.com/comprehensive/mutah/misuse-of-shia-hadeeth.html

The other part is the 'Matn (content)' of the narration. The hadith also have a k-leg and constitute another reason why shi'a reject the hadith.

* The permission of mut'a first took place in the year Mecca was conquered. So how could 'Ali have claimed that Mut'a was banned on the Day of khaybar (3years before Mecca's conquest)?

NB: There is no Single hadith that ever claimed the prophet permitted Mut'a, before or at khaybar, not to mention of forbidden it at khaybar.

Khaybar is around 90miles off Medina. Abu bakar was the first to launch the attack of the conquest of khaybar but failed. He returned back to Madina with his troops. Umar was appointed the following day to lead the army to khaybar fortress. He alongside his troops failed and ran back. Then Ali was appointed, and he conquered the fortress. The holy prophet (saws) was not part of the mission and absolutely, there was never a complaint from any member of 'Ali's troop as to missing their wives that might have necessitate the permission for mut'ah. The only historical happening of notice at khaybar without the holy prophet's consent was the killing and eating of domesticated donkey, horses. There were groups of muslims who killed and cooked a score of donkeys which had escaped from a farm.

It is this incident that led to the holy prophet's forbid to muslims the meat of horses, mules and donkeys unless consumption was forced by necessity.
~Encyclopedia of Islam" under the chapter "Khaybar" by Veccia Vagleri L.

Therefore the only historical prohibition at khaybar was the eating of asses not Mut'ah.
As I have mentioned earlier, this hadith is also mentioned in sunni books, and it is graded sahih. I would definitely work with a sahih hadith, than anything from history books (I believe you know the reason?). This hadith was recorded in at least 3 shia books, and there are narrations also that suggest the same meaning...

So I visited the site you recommended, and from what I have read, I would say, these narrations (presented here and others) are indeed in shia books, but the explanation in regards to them are different.

However, one thing that strikes me, is the fact that some of the Imams, made it haram for some people, and for some reasons ranging from protecting the life of some, forbidding it due to permanent marriage, to the abuse of mut'ah in which it is equated to prostitution.

In light of this, I do not see why we should even be arguing, it is clear that some of these reasons (and the ones mentioned earlier), as well as authentic narrations prohibiting mut'ah, is what the sunni Ulamah are working with, and thus maintaining the ruling that it is prohibited.
IslamRe: They Wont Stop Opposing A Sunnah (mut'ah) But Prefer A Bid'ah (misyar) by sino(m): 10:21am On Nov 06, 2014
AlBaqir:
@Sino,
Exposition of The Context of the verse
The context of the verse also indicates it refer to 'temporary marriage'. In the preceding verses, the Quran forbids acts of injustice toward women. "Oh believers, it is not lawful for you to inherit from women against their will; neither debar them, that you may go off with part of what you have given them." ~Q4:19

The most commonly accepted interpretation of this verse is that it forbids the pre-Islamic Arab custom of inheriting stepmothers. When a man died, one of his sons would inherit his wife, as long as she was not his own mother.

The next verse reads in part as follows: "And if you desire to exchange a wife in place of another, and you have given to one a hundred-weight, take of it nothing" ~Q.4:20. In other words, if a man divorces a wife to marry a different wife, he must not take back any of the dower that he has given the first, even if the dower is a very large one and he desires only a small part of it.

The next subject referred to in this passage is the marriage of one's father's wife: "And do not marry women that your fathers married..." ~Q4:22. Both this verse and verse 19 were revealed after Abu Qays ibn al-Aslat died and his wife was inherited and married by his son Muhsin.

In the following verse (4:23) the Quran enumerates the women who are forbidden to men. These are divided into seven kinds stemming from blood relationship and seven more stemming from other causes: "Forbidden to you are your mothers and daughters...". The next verse adds a 15th category of women forbidden to men: "And wedded women, save what your right hands own." It continues with the words quoted above: "Lawful for you is what is beyond all that." In other words, any woman not belonging to one of the 15 categories is permitted, whether by marriage or ownership.

Next the verse states: "that you may seek, using your wealth, in wedlock and not in license." Grammatically, this clause is in apposition to "what is beyond all that". It explains the legitimate mode of seeking relationships with women, whether as the result of marriage or the purchase of slaves.

The next part of this same verse states as follows: "So those of them whom you enjoy, give them their appointed wages." The word 'so' (fa) shows that this part of the verse is the conclusion reached by the previous words. This section is either part of the previous subject matter, or an example of it; in other words, its relation to the previous section is either that of the part which is completing the whole, or the particular example to the universal principle. And since the previous section deals with the different kinds of legitimate sexual relationships, either by marriage or the purchase of slaves, we can conclude that this section of the verse is the exposition of a further kind of marriage, not mentioned previously; a kind which requires that the man pay wages of his wife.

The next verse states that if a man is too poor to marry a free Muslim woman, he should marry a Muslim slave girl...

Finally, this section of the chapter concludes with these words: "God desires to make clear to you, and to guide you to the customs of those who went before you, and to turn towards you; God is All-knowing, All-wise".
~Q.4:26
Brother, to me, mut’ah just doesn’t fit into the narrative; it reads more of the continuation of what is being discussed, stating that what is enjoyed with those who are lawful, give them their dues…

If we are to go by the definition of mut’ah, especially, the narration of ibn Abbas when asked if mut’ah is nikkah or zinah and he answered neither, we therefore cannot call mut’ah a form of nikkah.

Allah (SWT) said give them their wages (literally) this same word is used in the subsequent verse (Q4:25) and else were in the Qur’an to mean dowry which is part of a permanent nikkah,

{فَمَا اسْتَمْتَعْتُم بِه مِنْهُنَّ فَاَاتُوهُنَّ أُجُورَهُنَّ}

(فَانكِحُوهُنَّ بِإِذْنِ أَهْلِهِنَّ وَءَاتُوهُنَّ أُجُورَهُنَّ} (النساء : 25)

{وَلا جُنَاحَ عَلَيْكُمْ أَن تَنكِحُوهُنَّ إِذَآ ءَاتَيْتُمُوهُنَّ أُجُورَهُنَّ } (الممتحنة : 10)

“…Wed them with the leave of their owners and give them their dowers according to what is reasonable: they should be chaste not lustful nor taking paramours…”4:25

“…And there will be no blame on you if ye marry them on payment of their dower to them.” 60:10

Again, there is absolutely nowhere else in the Qur’an where mut’ah is mentioned (as a type of marriage), and this verse seems not to be explicit enough to derive such conclusion.

Ibn Jawzi said “وقال ابن الجوزي : « وقد تكلف قوم من المفسّرين فقالوا : المراد بهذه الآية نكاح المتعة ، ثم نسخت بما روي عن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم أنه نهى عن متعة النساء ، وهذا تكلف لا يحتاج إليه ، لأن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم أجاز المتعة ثم منع منها فكان قوله منسوخاً بقوله ( يعني بالسنة ) وأما الآية فإنها لا تتضمن جواز المتعة وإنما المراد بها الاستمتاع في النكاح »

"Indeed, an assumption was made by some people of tafsir that what is meant by this verse, is nikkah of mut’ah, then it was abrogated from what was narrated from the Prophet (SAW) that he prohibited the mut’ah of women, this assumption is unnecessary, for the Prophet (SAW) permitted mut’ah, then he prohibited it, hence, his statement was abrogated by his statement (i.e sunnah). And in regards to the verse, it does not permit mut’ah, but what it means is the enjoyment in Nikkah” (Tafsir Razi)
IslamRe: They Wont Stop Opposing A Sunnah (mut'ah) But Prefer A Bid'ah (misyar) by sino(m): 10:16am On Nov 06, 2014
AlBaqir:
@sino,
Dear brother, salam alaykum. I really enjoyed your line of argument and sincerity. In fact, so far you and lanrexlan have displayed the Quranic injunction of "wisdom, good manners and exhortation" which Quran enjoyed in dialogue. May Allah give us His taofeek to understand more.

So far, I think we've been able to narrow down our dialogue to three areas whereas certain level of agreement and understanding have been reached in other areas.

The remaining three areas are as follow:

1. Sunni Tafsir of ayah 24 of sura Nisa; with Sunni Ulama's view.
i. Exposition of the previous and later ayah to get the explicit of verse 24.

2. The hadith of Imam Ali (as) about 'prohibition of mut'a at khaybar'.

3. Sermon of Umar vs hadith that proved his prohibition simply meant ref to prophet's prohibition.
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Wa alaykum salam brother, Alhamdulilah, I appreciate your good words, and amin to your dua’s

I agree with your submission, these 3 are were we differ, hopefully, we can agree to some extent…
AlBaqir: 1. Tafsir of Q.4 vs 24
[b]The following are sunni tafsir that affirmed that the above ayah was revealed pertaining to Mut'a [/b]leaving aside their various arguments that it was later forbidden:

*Tafsir kashaf, vol. 1 p. 20 commentary of sura Nisa

* Tafsir Ibn kathir, vol. 1 p.84

* Tafsir Tabari part 5 pg. 9

* Tafsir Qurtubi, vol. 5 p. 60

* Tafsir Khazan, vol. 1 p. 63

* Tafsir Kabir, Fakhr deen Razi, vol 3 p. 95

* Tafsir Durr al-Manthur, vol. 2 p. 140

* Tafsir Ahkam al-Quran, vol. 2 p. 45

* Tafsir Haqqani, vol. 2 p. 3

* Tafsir al-Thalabi, vol. 1 p. 363

* Al-Majmoo, by Imam Nawawi, vol. 16 p. 253
My contention with the bold is that, it is quite a sweeping statement, which may lead to false conclusion by an uniformed person. One thing is for an opinion to be recorded in a book, and another is to affirm an opinion, for example, someone may say Allah (SWT) affirms the drinking of alcohol, for the fact that he had read in the Qur’an where Allah said there are benefits in alcohol.

In most cases, books of tafsirs are a compilation of different narrations, from sahabas, from tabi'in and from scholars. I had stated earlier that the two opinions in regards to Qur’an 4 vs 24 were presented, and thereafter, a conclusion is made by the author on which opinion is most accurate, based on facts.

In your list is Tafsir kabir by Fakhir deen Ar Razi, in fact, the way he presented the tafsir was so beautiful, it’s a pity I can’t post everything here. He first presented the definition of istamt’atum, corroborating with other ayahs in which it is also used in the Qur’an…then he presented the opinion that it refers to Nikkah in this verse, after which he presented the opinion that it refers to mut’ah. He then said and I quote:

“A great multitude of the ummah moved with the opinion that it was abrogated, while another multitude moved with mu’tah being permissible as it were based on narrations from Ibn Abbas (ra) and Imran ibn Husayn (ra)".

He further stated, In regards to Ibn Abbas (ra), there are 3 narrations, one was on the permissibility of mut’ah, the other was on permissibility of mut’ah due to necessity just like eating haram meat, and the third was the prohibition of mut’ah based on surah Talaq vs 1. It is also mentioned that in a narration, before the death of Ibn Abbas (ra), he made taubah in regards mut’ah and sarf.

The above are from Tafsir Ar Razi of Qur'an 4:24, same can be said of tafsir tabari, tafsir Ahkam al Qur'an amongst others...i.e, the two opinions are always presented and the first opinion is always affirmed to be the most accurate.

Note, I do not disagree with the fact that some sahabas, believed that the ayah is about mut’ah, true, their narrations are in books of tafsir, but it does not affirm that the ayah was about mut’ah, since there was another opinion that it is about Nikkah, which is what the majority accepted.
IslamRe: They Wont Stop Opposing A Sunnah (mut'ah) But Prefer A Bid'ah (misyar) by sino(m): 10:14am On Nov 05, 2014
Empiree:
grin you dont smile at on NL
grin you know I've been thinking of a title to give him though, I think I'll have one before the day runs out lol
IslamRe: They Wont Stop Opposing A Sunnah (mut'ah) But Prefer A Bid'ah (misyar) by sino(m):
MrOlai:
@sino. Thanks so much for ur fantastic contributions. May Allah(SWT) in His infinite mercy bless u in manifold. May Allah(SWT) protect, guide & assist u in all ur endeavours. May Allah(SWT) never let u astray, ur kids and generations dat'll come after u. E ko ni mo apada si aburu Insha Allah (Amin). I'm highly impressed! You've really done justice to d topic.
For Albaqir & others dat are spreading evils on d land, well, Allah(SWT) knows how to judge them! My prayer for them is Allah's guidance b4 it's too late!
Alhamdulilah, and Amin to your prayers, as I wish you the same.

please bear in mind that when people are convinced that they are on the truth, it becomes their reality, and that is what they would preach. Unless they know the truth and are just plain deceitful, it is better we address people based on what they present, and leave the rest to Allah.

Our prayers, as you have made, should be that Allah (swt) continues to guide us to the truth, and make us accept it and act on it.

Jazakumullahu khayran brother.

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