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^In fact, i just got a link from a post on a forum which is about 14 years ago and downloaded a pdf copy of the book, it is there, hadth no. 573.
@usermane, the hadith was not attributed to the Prophet (SAW), it was conspicuously attributed to Ali (r.a) .

This is a full package, a brilliant piece, and extremely educative. It buttress the fact that the Qur'an is the miracle of miracles. May Allah bless bro Hamza Tzortsiz abundantly ameen

Jazakumullahu khayran tbaba!

usermane: Do you read carefully? Am familiar with the tbaba 's quote and i said it is not always applicable in Orthodox Islam. In the above tradition, for Umm Salamah to have sought remedy in alcohol, she must have been lacking alternatives. Yet despite this was a case of need, the sick daughter was not permitted to drink it for cure.



What if your friend only recently started drinking? What if you recently befriended this guy only to learn after a while that he drinks? Will you desert him?
Read my last response on this issue. If the only prohibition is not to sit with him, we can justify the hadith. But it goes ahead to prohibit visiting them when ill. This is sick.




The hadith described them as "drinkers of khamr". It doesn't differentiate drinkers from drunkards. Moreover, most drinkers are drunkards or potential ones.

It is quite interesting you were able to discern how Ummu Salamah couldn't find an alternative medicine but you were quick to point out that the hadith in question didn't differentiate between a drunkard and a drinker, or how we are commanded to abandon the sick drunkard to die?!

Well, for your information, alcohol can be used as a cure or even as a drink depending on the condition and the degree of necessity. Orthodox scholars have been able to do justice on this issue, if only you can open your mind and learn.

Now you need to understand that a muslim who drinks, is still a muslim, provided he doesn't do or say things that nullifies his Islam, so the right of a Muslim still stands, I visit him when he is sick, I advise him when he seeks for it and so on as stated in an authentic tradition. I would only abandon a friend who continues in open disobedience to Allah and his messenger and who is not willing to change. He obviously does not need me, and I him. He needs his cronies, and will only visit him if I'll, when good is intended. Such as a visit to the hospital, or for da'wah. I even quoted an hadith where the prophet advised a companion to help his brother against the devil.

".... Help you one another in Al­Birr and At­Taqwa (virtue, righteousness and piety); but do not help one another in sin and transgression. And fear Allah. Verily, Allah is Severe in punishment." (Q 5; 2)

In Orthodox Islam, which is Islam, we don't take a hadith and form an opinion based on it, several hadith that are related and relevant are looked at, coupled with Quranic verses, as well as the history, context and what the sahabas said about such issues(there are even more research works done aside from the stated), this is not meant for a layman to do, that is why scholarship is important and why you need to respect these scholars and their works. Hope you now have a glimpse of how to understand Islamic principles?

Chai! Logicboy Abi which moniker make i use? You see your life? Learn from this and be truthful in all your affairs, how desperate you have become to prove your story, but who cares, you have been known as a deceitful individual, you will need more than posting your certificate to redeem yourself.

Read and reflect...

The Prophet said, “Truthfulness leads to righteousness, and righteousness leads to Paradise.And a man keeps on telling the truth until he becomes a truthful person. Falsehood leads to Al-Fajur (i.e. wickedness, evil-doing), and Al-Fajur (wickedness) leads to the (Hell) Fire, and a man may keep on telling lies till he is writtenbefore Allah, a liar.”Sahih Al-Bukhari – Book 73 Hadith 116

lanrexlan: I am doing good dear brother,not vacation o I have been so engrossed with a lot of activities here in school that I rarely have time for NL.Thanks for the concern brother.

The guy needs help,brother sino please make haste 'with putting this guy under the knife'.

I can see why you've been away, may Allah grant you success Ameen.

About putting the patient under the knife, we are quite hopeful, i guess it's the initial fear and pride, but as time goes, he may come around in sha Allah

Empiree: Yes, he has friends. Just look at people that admire his writings, they are not even average non-muslims. Rather wicked ones. Those ones that mock islam even if you present all evidences to them. Those are his NL close friends. Clearly, if he lives in a mega-city, he would prefer living on "Gay street" and having f/a/g/s as close friends instead of muslims. I know he will be here to scream at me soon. He's a funny dude.

LOL @ bold, but seriously these non-Muslims do not care which prefix you put in front of your Islam, they just want to denigrate the religion at all cost.

tbaba12345: Which is your favorite episode?

I really like the last one

Actually, I love all of them.

This is 21st century da'wah

tbaba12345: Today, you learn another principle in fiqh, necessity allows for concession. The law is suspended in cases of desperation or absolute need. If a person is critically ill and needs to be rushed to a clinic where caretakers can take care of him then certainly, it is your obligation as a muslim to do so. At that point, you are saving a human life so it transcends not visiting the sick.

However, we are not talking about exceptions. We are talking generally.

usermane, honestly, you do not have an argument, this quote from tbaba, is one of the basic things you learn as a Muslim, in fact, in yoruba parlance, we call it laluri, it is surprising you don't know or understand.

I would like to ask you if you ever heard of these proverbs; "Birds of a feather flock together"? and "show me your friends and i'll tell you who you are"?

Now as a sane and responsible individual, would you be a friend to a "drunkard"? would you introduce your friend, to parents, wife, colleagues, boss as a drunkard?

Common sense dictates we befriend like minds, thus, a drunkard would befriend a drunkard like himself, hence they would take care of themselves. I for an example, i don't have a drunkard as a friend, even my non-Muslim friends are teetotalers...but i would definitely save a life, even if the person just stood up from a beer parlour.

I must say you have a parochial view about Islam, and this is beclouding your sense of judgment.

NB, A drunkard is different from a drinker of alcohol, you may need to read the hadith again

I have got some crack heads in my neighborhood, these guys do any drugs mehn including alcohol, these people are from good homes judging from some of their rants, but some of them ran away, while others, their families had abandoned them, they live together and support themselves with their lifestyles, no sane individual would go make a friend from these people, they are quite horrible, and the fact is, they do not even want you as a friend, all they want is your money so they can do more drugs...But erm, usermane do you need some new friends?

tbaba12345: ^ As in, he needs to understand the basics.

Bro, na serious basic understanding o

People should understand that learning about Islam, is not about buying a copy of sahih bukhari or muslim and start reading, agreed, its a good start, but it is more of having a guide, a righteous scholar, one you can easily ask questions and get answers... you don't DIY with Islam o! May Allah continue to guide us all ameen.

usermane: ^^^
Seen anything familiar? I actually opted not responding but your denial kept reverberating and thus i cooked up this one.

Daily Hadith!!!
You 're asking yourself, "how?", didn't you look before you leap? Don't be a hypocrite Sino, embrace the truth.

Yeah, I'm used to these kinds of posts, similar to what the non-Muslims would post in trying to denigrate Islam.

There is nothing new, it easily shows your lack of adequate knowledge about Islam, I doubt you know what fiqh is, talk more of Ijtihad, understanding how to seek evidences and reach a valid conclusion.

I have long embraced the truth, i would not deny the Scholars of Islam nor will i reject the traditions of the Prophet (SAW), in order to conform with the "modern" world.

I still reiterate that you go learn the basics of the deen, look for a good madrasah in your neighborhood.

usermane: Orthodox Islamic Texts:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger as saying: Do not greet the Jews and the Christians before they greet you and when you meet any one of them on the roads force him to go to the narrowest part of it.
Sahih Muslim 26:5389

Empiree had made a good contribution in regards to this.

usermane: Orthodox Islamic Texts:
http://mquran.org/content/view/7272/2/

Abu Bakr As- Siddiq used this(Quran 9:5) and other honorable Ayat as proof for fighting those who refrained from paying the Zakah. These Ayat allowed fighting people unless, and until, they embrace Islam and implement its rulings and obligations. Allah mentioned the most important aspects of Islam here, including what is less important.
Tafsir Ibn Kathir; Quran 9:5




Orthodox Islamic texts:
Narrated Anas bin Malik: Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.' And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah."

Narrated Maimun ibn Siyah that he asked Anas bin Malik, "O Abu Hamza! What makes the life and property of a person sacred?" He replied, "Whoever says, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah', faces our Qibla during the prayers, prays like us and eats our slaughtered animal, then he is a Muslim, and has got the same rights and obligations as other Muslims have." Sahih Bukhari 1:8:387

To the this, i'll give you quotes of orthodox scholars, what is found in their books, and what the Prophet (SAW) preached and practiced.

Ibn al-Qayyim says:

“Killing is only obligatory when facing warfare and armed combat not when facing kufr. For this reason, neither women are to be killed nor children, or the elderly, nor the blind nor those worshippers who do not fight, rather we fight against those who fight us. This was the way of the Messenger of Allaah in dealing with the people of the earth, he used to fight those who fought against him until they either entered into the deen, make an agreement or treaty with him or came under his authority via paying the jizya. This is what he used to instruct his armies if they fought against their enemies, as has preceded from the Hadeeth of Buraydah”. [“Ahkam Ahl al-Dhimmah”, 1/17].

Ibn Taymiyah says:
“The foundation is that the blood of Bani Aadam is sanctified and inviolable and no one is killed except with right. Killing due to kufr is not something which the legislations have agreed upon at any one time of the Shariah, such as killing the one who sits out of combat, for this is something that the legislations and intellect do not differ over. The blood of a disbeliever during the early history of Islaam was sanctified and inviolable just like the original sanctity of a person. Allaah prevented the Muslims from killing such a disbeliever”. ["As-Sarim Al-Maslool", 104].


Al-Sarakhsi Al-Hanafi writes in “Al-Mabsoot”:
“The original ruling (al-asl) is that the lives of Adam’s progeny are protected, and it will become permissible when they partake in battle. And when the war has ended by a truce, then the original ruling of protection applies gain”. ["Al-Mabsoot", 12/165].

Hafiz Ibn Taymiyah writes:
“Its narrated from Abu Hanifah that disbelief (kufr) is not a reason to kill someone and a person is fought for his muharabah (war against the muslims), so the person who is not a fighter should not be killed”. ["As-Sarim Al-Maslool", 247].

usermane: Orthodox Islamic Text:
‘Abdullah Ibn ‘Amr Ibn AI- As said, “Do not visit the drunkard when being ill.” (Al-Hakim in Al- Mustadrak and attributed by Al-Suyuti to AtTabarani in Jami’ Al-Ahadith)

Al-Bukhari and Ibn ‘Umar said, “Do not greet the drunkard.”

The Prophet said, “Do not sit with the drunkard, visit their sick or attend their funerals. On the Day of Judgement the drunkard will be brought with a black face, and his tongue dangling on his chest, flowing with saliva. Whoever sees him knowing that he is a drunkard will disgust him.” (Ibn Al-Jawzy)

Allah, Most High says,

{O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, sacrificing to stones and (divination by) arrows, is an abomination, of Satan's handiwork: Eschew such (abomination) that ye may prosper. Satan's plan is (but) to excite enmity and hatred between you, with intoxicants and gambling, and hinder you from the remembrance of Allah, and from Prayer: will ye not then abstain?} (Q 5: 90-91)

Narrated Umar ibn al-Khattab

When the prohibition of wine (was yet to be) declared, Umar said: O Allah, give us a satisfactory explanation about wine. So the following verse of Surat al-Baqarah revealed; "They ask thee concerning wine and gambling. Say: In them is great sin...." Umar was then called and it was recited to him. He said: O Allah, give us a satisfactory explanation about wine. Then the following verse of Surat an-Nisa' was revealed: "O ye who believe! approach not prayers with a mind befogged...." Thereafter the herald of the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) would call when the (congregational) prayer was performed: Beware, one who is drunk should not come to prayer. Umar was again called and it was recited to him). He said: O Allah, give us a satisfactory explanation about wine. This verse was revealed: "Will ye not then abstain?" Umar said: We abstained.

Ibn 'Abbas related that, "When the wine was forbidden, the companions (of the Prophet) met each other and said, The wine was forbidden and became equal to polytheism (Shirk)." (Reported by AI-Hakim in AI-Mustadrak and it is an authentic hadith)

Abu Sa'id Al-Khudari related that the Prophet (pbuh) said,
"Allah does not accept the Prayers from him who drinks wine so long as there is still something of it in his body” (Reported by Ibn Hajar Ai-' Asqalani in 'AI-Matalib AI-Aliyyah' and reported by An-Nasa'i.)

Abu Hurayrah related that the Prophet (pbuh) said,
"A thief is not a believer at the time of committing a theft. A fornicator is not a believer at the time of committing fornication, and a drunkard also is not a believer at the time of drinking as long as they have the opportunity to repent”

Alcohol is prohibited in Islam, it is a major sin, it is stated as being part of the devils handiwork in the Qur’an, its evil knows no bound, in fact it is likened to shrik, and also, intoxicants generally, are the fueling factors of violent crimes.

The U.S. Department of Justice Report on Alcohol and Crime found that alcohol abuse was a factor in 40 percent of violent crimes committed in the U.S.
http://alcoholism.about.com/cs/costs/a/aa980415.htm

You would agree with me, that the one who drinks, and know it is forbidden, is disobeying Allah right? So do we encourage disobedience to Allah, or we discourage it?

Allah the Almighty says,

{But those who disobey Allah and His Messenger and transgress His limits will be admitted to a fire, to abide therein: and they shall have a humiliating punishment.} (Q 4: 14)

I believe you know a drunkard is not just a one time mistake, this is someone who is habitually drunk, in fact, he can even argue that drinking is halal, I have seen a lot of this type, they would ridicule you and ridicule the word of God, in most cases, they are irredeemable, so if such do not repent, would Allah be pleased with them?

Yorubas have this saying that “ewure to ba ba aja rin, a je igbe”, isn’t there a reason why parents would not allow their children to associate with bad ones? Or do we say because we are kind and merciful, then we associate with a murderer we know?!
There is a hadith that encourages us to be in the company of the righteous, even the Qur’an buttress this. Allah Says:

“And keep thy soul content with those who call on their Lord morning and evening seeking his Face; and let not thine eyes pass beyond them seeking the pomp and glitter of this Life; nor obey any whose heart We have permitted to neglect the remembrance of Us one who follows his own desires whose case has gone beyond all bounds.” (Q 18:28)

Did you ever think that by not associating with a colleague or friend, who is a drunkard, might cause him to change? Or even create an atmosphere in which you can have a discussion, in which you can give such a person da’wah?! Allah has praised us as the best of mankind, cos we preach what is good, and forbid evil, that in itself is kindness to the drunkard.

Narrated Abu Huraira
A drunk was brought to the Prophet and he ordered him to be beaten (lashed). Some of us beat him with our hands, and some with their shoes, and some with their garments (twisted in the form of a lash). When that drunk had left, a man said, "What is wrong with him? May Allah disgrace him!" Allah's Apostle said, "Do not help Satan against your (Muslim) brother."

Now this hadith, shows the kindness and mercy expected of a Muslim, even though a drunkard is punished, we are not to abuse or curse him, rather we try to help him against the devil…and this help is done by implementing the shariah!

usermane: Orthodox Islamic Texts:
Narrated Ikrima: Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "

Sahih Bukhari 4:52:260

Seriously, have you read about the incident that led to Ali (r.a) burning people?
Did you know that one of the reasons for the apostasy law, was due to mischief of some Jews who wanted to cause confusion in the deen, and apostates are not killed except in the case of treason or crimes committed that entails the maximum punishment?!
No orthodox scholar that i know of, deny apostacy law, they would rather explain it in proper context...remeber i told you about context?

usermane: In one of Zakir Naik 's lecture visits in Europe, he was asked, "why do you come here to preach freely while in sharia states, non muslims can't do the same?". The Doctor avoided the question till he returned to India. There he responded that; "will you let a teacher come & teach 2+2=5 if you own a school?

In a nutshell, the problem with many of us muslim is double thinking. Throughout my days as an orthodox muslim, i was taught that "Islam" is a religion of peace, no compulsion, no injustice, no double standard or violence. But as soon as i returned to the religious texts, notably the oral traditions and orthodox exegesis of the Qur'an, i was taken aback. What Abdulsleek did is no worse than what orthodox muslims do when they deny vile practices like death for apostacy/blasphemy, sugar coating their beliefs in order draw converts.

Orthodox Muslims denying what exactly?! How can you compare a two-faced lying atheist with a Muslim?! You have been throwing this orthodox stuff for a while now, and all i see is lack of adequate knowledge on your part and those of your teachers or whatever you call them...If not for the orthodox Muslims/Scholars, would you even have the Qur'an?!

Islam is not a religion of quantity, where we need to lie, to convince people, or deny our history and the foundation of different branches of Islamic knowledge in order to attract converts, rather, Islam is based on Quality, the sincere conviction to the truth, as brought to us and practiced by the prophet (SAW), Sahabas and the Salafs who are the orthodox Muslims.

FYI, we do not deny apostasy/blasphemy laws, rather we define and explain it in its proper context, looking at evidences available in the Qur'an and traditions, brought to us by reputable jurist and Islamic scholars, past and present, and also making room for valid differences of opinion in regards to these issues.

Bro, go learn the basics of the deen, it's no joke that some people (scholars) dedicated their life to explaining the deen so that you and I can have proper understanding.

I think Nigeria should be among the listed countries, if people here are agreeing to adding KSA due to the fact that women are not allowed to drive, then Nigeria should also be on the list for women are humiliated almost on a regular basis...Do you remember the female pepper thieves?! or BB thieves that are striped naked and beaten black and blue? Do i need to mention the witches and the little ogbanjes that are killed based on superstitions?! What about the corporate prostitution being practiced by some corporate companies all in the name of attracting customers?!

There are even more, cases of rape, domestic violence, and all sorts. I can boldly say that women in KSA are far better off than their counterparts in Nigeria. To hell with driving cars, if you no drive, you go die?!

Empiree: Unbelievable! he must be a big clown. No wonder he always asks stupid questions. He lives in UK he said. Maybe that's not even true.

LOL, for an atheist, he has this zeal of an evangelist, he will go at any length to prove his point, even if ridiculous...I hope he would accept Islam eventually, but he is just too stubborn at the moment lol.

Empiree: You mean TheBigUrban2 is the same guy behind all these usernames?. That's crazy. What is he thinking?.

LOL, I think he has more, i wonder how many e-mails he has, and how he keeps up with all the usernames... it's really CRAZY!

AbdH: I think the third Islamophobia describes your condition best. See Sino for therapy.

I totally agree with you bro, the symptoms he keeps displaying these days are quite revealing....If he is ready, i won't hesitate to put him "under the knife"

tbaba1234: When you think of muslim scholars of the past, you can not help but be amazed by their thought process. Islamic scholarship has suffered a lot. Many of our scholars today can't even compete.

I was studying the Quran the other day, and I came across comments from Imam Razi (died 1209 CE).

The ayah was alhamdulilah rabbil alamin: praise and gratitude be to Allah, master of all nature of existence (Man, Jinn, angels and whatever else).

Imam razi said that the existence of an indefinite space beyond our world can be proved on the basis of rational argument, and that it is also certain that Allah is all powerful so it should not be at all difficult for Him to have created million of other worlds in this endless space.

As for the objection that no man or animal can live in outer space owing to the lack of the kind of air compatible to man. Imam razi replies that the inhabitants of other worlds in the outer space need not necessarily have the same physical make up as that of the inhabitants of our world and suggests that their organic composition and the requirements for nourishment and sustenance might just be totally different.

Imam Razi died in 1209..

Not only was he an islamic scholar, He also wrote on medicine, physics, astronomy, literature, history and law.

Here we have Imam Razi, alluding to possible alien life.

This man was thinking way beyond his era and he was not the only one. You will see many outstanding statements from islamic scholars in that era because they were well grounded in many areas and were well-rounded.

We need to raise islamic scholarship to that level again.

Cc: sino

I think what has really changed is the fact that scholarship in Islam, is now being limited to theology, this in itself is not a bad thing, for it made specialization in different aspects of the deen possible. On the other hand, this has caused some parochial mindset in some of our scholars, thereby portraying Islam being against science and development.

I remember a definition of an Islamic scholar (in modern day) given by one Sheikh i listen to way back,as being a person with a degree in any aspect of Islamic knowledge, as well as, a degree in sciences or the social sciences, he must be well grounded in Islamic knowledge and any of the "secular" knowledge. Well, this definition might not be palatable to some, but judging from how previous Scholars operated, I believe it's not out of place.

Your thoughts...?

Interesting, these "Muslim scholars of yore" tend to have foresight and willing to explore more, and this seems lacking today, except in some few i think.

TheClown: Op have you heard of christianophobia, hinduphobia or budhistophobia? It is that thing that causes fear that makes people fear. Isalm causes fear and that is why people fear it. And phobia relates to intanse fear. People have had phobia for Islam since time immemorial. You can change the trend or blame those who fear your kind for the fear you inspire in them, just make a change. Fear is only a reaction.

Do you know why these people have this "fear"? Lack of proper research and the will to learn about Islam.

I'll leave you with the following quotes, and hopefully, some sense might come your way...

A phobia (from the Greek: φόβος phóbos,"aversion", "fear, morbid fear" is, when used in the context of clinical psychology, a type of anxiety disorder, usually defined as a persistent fear of an object or situation in which the sufferer commits to great lengths in avoiding, typically disproportional to the actual danger posed, often being recognized as irrational. In the event the phobia cannot be avoided entirely, the sufferer will endure the situation or object with marked distress and significant interference in social or occupational activities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phobia

People fear what they don't understand and hate what they can't conquer.

Andrew Smith

FEAR is an acronym in the English language for "False Evidence Appearing Real"

~ Neale Donald Walsch

.....Bro you don't need to be afraid, read,learn and understand, save yourself from this mental disorder before it's too late!

Subhanallah!

There is so much to learn from the life of the Prophet(SAW), indeed, in him is the best of examples...

Jazakumullahu khayran tbaba, really helpful.

Maisuya1: Masha Allah,

I pray my wife studying mathematics at masters level surpasses that feat.

Can I get an ameen to that?

Ameen!

erm, what about you?

^^^Cute little girl...
Loved her reaction to the adhan, i think she was astonished...

I know quite a number of non-Muslims who are fascinated by the recitation of the Qur'an and also, the call to prayer

May Allah continue to guide us all, ameen.

I have once noted previously, that when there is the coming together of an atheist and a Christian, then it is actually a sign that common sense and logical reasoning have been murdered.

The approach shown by all the non-Muslims here obviously shows lack of objectivity, it seriously begs the question, are these set of people educated at all?

Here is an article written by a non-Muslim, which clearly stated the self-published monograph of a non-Muslim photographer about the plight of Muslims in Italy, it is not as if Muslims were protesting or something, but what do we get from our “esteemed intellectuals”? A multifaceted bigotry and hate towards Islam and Muslims...

Well, it does not really come as a surprise, their plight is well documented here https://www.nairaland.com/1818781/islamophobia-here-again

vedaxcool: If the name wasn’t enough, this did it – Zara Creeping Sharia

https://creepingsharia.ibnpercy.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/creeping-sharia-zara.png

cool

THIS IS SUNNATIC!

OMG! Muslims are taking over the world!

TheBigUrban2: What nonsense are you saying? 13 islamic countries have death penalties for atheism and you are claiming

1) Atheism is a religion
2) It is a global discrimination


Why must you obfuscate? Why not address the intolerance?

Bros, how many atheist have been executed in those 13 countries? Give references abeg!

The research basically stated the established law for apostasy in those 13 countries, it wasn't as if they enacted new laws or something...

Before the loss of data on Nairaland, I had posted documented proceeding of the conference of Riyad on Muslim doctrine and human rights in Islam, a conference which was held in 1972 between Saudi delegates and European commission of jurists.

In that report, it categorically stated that

Religious freedom to everyone and prohibition of any exercise of force in this respect, in response to God’s Sayings in the Glorious Qur’an: “Let there be no compulsion in religion.” (Q2, 256) and “Wilt thou then compel mankind against their will to believe!” (Q10, 99). This sayings show how the use of pressure on man’s freedom is denounced.

Again, in the same report, apostasy was also mentioned, and explained...

Regarding the prohibition of a Muslim to change his religion and which is considered by a man alien to Islam to be also a restriction violating Article (18) of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights which gave every person the right to change his religion and on which the kingdom also gave its reservations at the time of the drafting of the charter, we say that according to the reasoning of Islam, this is not a restriction on the freedom of every person to change his religion, but is the outcome of a historical incident. It was established to curb a Jewish conspiracy which was plotted in the early days of Islam when all the Arabs of the city of al Madinah Al Munawwara united themselves after an armed conflict between them caused by the Jewish refugees. The Jews then craftily thought to let some of them join Islam then renounce it in order to make the Arabs suspect their religion and be misled. A law originated from that incident preventing a Muslim from changing his religion and threatening to penalize him so that nobody could join Islam excepting after making rational and scientific study of its doctrines ending with his permanent acceptance of the Muslim creed. That was meant to cut off the way for evil men and their like of superficial people, under the threat of punishment, from joining Islam, for the sake of extirpating malicious elements who have been persisting in spreading evil on Earth.

It is clear from the reasoning of Islam respecting this point also that it does not spring from the logic of restriction of freedom but rather from logic of the curbing of the intrigues of the plotters who are addicted to the spread of evil in the world. Thus, this matter is purely an Islamic interpretation-Ijtihad-which is one of the requirements of freedom of opinion. It should not be opposed by a counter-interpretation, for everyone has his own interpretation of things, and we have our own interpretation which is supported by historical facts, and our concern on not letting anyone join Islam excepting those who believe in it in a positive and decisive manner. This shows the extent of sacredness attached to the faith which Islam does not allow to be superficial and subject to the misleading of evil persons.

Note if you may, this law is basically directed at Muslims, and it has no bearing on non Muslims.

I believe you know what legal precedent means? Hence I believe the law is justified, knowing fully well the intrigues, fabrications and machinations which are hallmarks of Islamophobes...(something just reminded me of abdulsleek)

Now Mr man, is atheism a religion?
Do you guys also proselytise?
Why should apostasy law as explained here, give you sleepless nights?
And why would you want to go live in any of those 13 countries mentioned?

And it is even funny they added Nigeria as part of countries killing atheist, I laugh in pidgin... Abeg who get Nigeria's Constitution o?

On a lighter note,

in order not to obfuscate, or become a troll like someone we all know too well with changing monikers like a patient with MPD, and to show my tolerance and my magnanimous empathy, I hereby call for a petition to be served to those 13 countries, and the rest of Europe who discriminate against atheist. I state "sagaciously" that we all hold hands together, including terrorist, criminals, corrupt politicians, psychopaths and what have you, singing Kunmbaya!

Innalilahi wa inna ileyhi raji'un

May Allah forgive the brother and grant him Jannah ameen.

and a speedy recovery to the injured...

A sad news it is.