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victorblac:
I have seen and experienced great miracles from God through men like pastor chris, Idahosa, Rev. father Ozele, T.B Joshua etc.

I hope you don't mind sharing the testimony of these 'great miracles' with us? _{off course you know the rules right?: no phoney tales and please provide proof}

victorblac:
I have seen and experienced great miracles from God through men like pastor chris, Idahosa, Rev. father Ozele, T.B Joshua etc.

I hope you don't mind sharing the testimony of these 'great miracles' with us?_{off course you know the rules right?: no phoney tales and please provide proof} 

ukotmi:
You guys are getting me confused. I know a man about 67 years old who had a stroke, went to the healing shool and today is totally healed. A colleague told us(we were discusing the issue of miracles being aired on TV) how he was watching atmosphere of miracles and Pastor Chris mentioned his case. From that day he was healed. A grand mother in my area went to the same healing school with cancer of the breast and was not healed. I also heard of a man who went to the Healing school, was healed and later relapsed. He could nt stand on his own before, started standing and doing things by himself, another the line, his former condition returned.
So this raises some good questionsa) Is faith needed for healing if yes, who should have faith, the person seeking healing or the instrument being used to minister healing?(b) Is there anything like the healing anointing that is, are some people specially anointed of God to heal.(c) If one is healed, is there any possibility of the sickness coming back(d)Why is that two people will be in the same meeting, one gets healed, the other do not. for example, my cousin took me along to a charismatic meeting to meet his girlfriend, and I am yet to return from there . I got saved. Uptill today he is yet to get saved. .
Please supply answer with good scriptural backings. I think this will help us clear a lot of airs on faith healers etc. Pls lets be polite and civil even if we disagree.
Thanks

I'm sorry this reply is coming rather late, I just got back from a trip.

Let us examine the four different cases you mentioned above in your post:
a. The 67 year old man you know who was healed of stroke at the healing school
b. Your colleague who was healed after Chris mentioned his case on AFM
c.The grandmother in your area with cancer of the breast who went to the healing school but was not healed
d. The man you heard who got at the healing school but later relapsed.

a

ukotmi:
I know a man about 67 years old who had a stroke, went to the healing shool and today is totally healed.

Let me make it abundantly clear that I do not doubt the power of God to heal the sick, but with so many false claims around us today, we have to ask questions in order to shield ourselves from the manipulations of pulpit pimps. For example, since you said you know the 67 year old man, kindly furnish us with details of this 'miracle' i.e; His medical history/treatment including his physician or doctor, what was the nature of the stroke?, when you say 'healed', what physical or medical transformation if any did you attribute to supernatural intervention.
these are just some of the questions I think you should be able to answer if you know the man.

b.

ukotmi:
A colleague told us(we were discusing the issue of miracles being aired on TV) how he was watching atmosphere of miracles and Pastor Chris mentioned his case. From that day he was healed.

Again we do not have details here. What was your colleague healed of; cancer, blindness, HIV, blindness, stroke? not that it makes any difference but just telling us he was healed doesn't prove anything. Let me also say this, the telecast your friend watched was not in real time; it was probably recorded weeks, months or maybe even years ago. This is one thing Chris and a lot of televangelists know which so many of their gullible followers don't know or pretend not to know.
So its possible for me to have a recorded session where I mention different cases in the name of word of knowledge. usually, they would mention cases that will very well apply generally for instance when I say: "there is a young man watching me right now, God has just healed you of pain in the right arm" it could apply to any young man out there. even when they are more specific by calling names, they still have probability working to their advantage; with a potential viewership of millions of people, and the fact that the telecast is not real time, theres high probability that one day someone is going to be watching with the exact same case or name mentioned.
From my personal research, theres been no case of blindness, lameness, cancer etc healed from watching a 'word of knowledge telecast' (prove me wrong) it always a case of pain, headache, fever etc which is most probably the category your colleague falls in. All these can be explained scientifically my dear, it was probably just a placebo effect.

c.

ukotmi:
A grand mother in my area went to the same healing school with cancer of the breast and was not healed.

Cant you see now that the ones you know very well don't get healed, the ones that got healed are the ones you heard. Funny!!!

d.

ukotmi:
I also heard of a man who went to the Healing school, was healed and later relapsed. He could nt stand on his own before, started standing and doing things by himself, another the line, his former condition returned.

The question is: was he even healed at all in the first place. Though televangelists like Benny Hinn, Paul Crouche, Chis Oyakhilome etc would want to have us believe that these people lost faith along the line or they were not speaking the word enough bla bla bla and that was why the sickness came back; thats a LIE. What these 'faith healers' do is give people false hopes with sweet promises of healing and health which creates a suggestion in their subconscious, it is this suggestion which brings about the placebo effect; of course it wears out after a while and they fall back to their previous states.

Now to your questions:

ukotmi:
Is faith needed for healing if yes, who should have faith, the person seeking healing or the instrument being used to minister healing?

The answer is NO, faith is not always needed for healing. The Bible shows us different instances where Jesus healed people who didn't even express an iota of faith. Healing comes through the mercies and compassion and will of God Almighty (Jn 9:1-34, Jn 5:1-15, Jn 11:1-44, Acts 3:1-

ukotmi:
Is there anything like the healing anointing that is, are some people specially anointed of God to heal.

There is no such thing explicitly mentioned in the Bible however, the word of God tells us about the power of God to heal the sick.
Acts 10:38 'How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.'
The apostles were also anointed specially to do mighty works:

Matt. 10:5-8,
These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

Luke 9:1-2,
Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases.
And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick.

see also Luke 10:1-9

The apostles were given special powers to fulfill a certain purpose in the will of God at that time, that explains why today, we do not see the kind of signs or miracles performed by the apostles. Yet Paul in 1Cor. 12:1-31, talks about the gifts of the Spirit distributed to different people at Gods will.

There are no specially anointed men anymore but that is beyond the scope of this thread.

ukotmi:
If one is healed, is there any possibility of the sickness coming back

From the angle of the scriptures, there is a possibility (Luke 11:24-25, John 5:13-14). However, there is no record in scriptures of anyone who relapsed after being healed like you find in Chris Oyakhilomes healing school

ukotmi:
Why is that two people will be in the same meeting, one gets healed, the other do not.

There could be a number of reasons, some of which we may never be able to explain. Also, it could simply be Gods sovereign will; Jesus went to a pool full of impotent folks, healed just one man and walks away, when it comes to God, we cannot explain everything.

goldenterp:
hi SirJohn,
thank you for your reply, and I am absolutely satisfied that you are totally convinced of what you say.

I hope you do not mind that I wont be answering your questions for the simple fact that there's nothing more to say to someone who's totally convinced


One thing i'll urge you to do is to please keep 'sending' more and morepeople to the healing school of Christ Embassy, as you've been doing, so that they can see the truth for themselves, I see it the way Jesus said if you're not against us, then you are for us.

God's not unfaithful to forget your labour of love you know

I'm female actually, but I know why you assumed otherwise


Regards

Thanks too for breaking the long silence!!
I rest my case

goldenterp:
hi SirJohn,
thank you for your reply, and I am absolutely satisfied that you are totally convinced of what you say.

I hope you do not mind that I wont be answering your questions for the simple fact that there's nothing more to say to someone who's totally convinced


One thing i'll urge you to do is to please keep 'sending' more and morepeople to the healing school of Christ Embassy, as you've been doing, so that they can see the truth for themselves, I see it the way Jesus said if you're not against us, then you are for us.

God's not unfaithful to forget your labour of love you know

I'm female actually, but I know why you assumed otherwise


Regards

Thanks too for breaking the long silence!!
I rest my case

KunleOshob:
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christians are free to pay 10% of their income or tithes to the church but it must be done under a willing heart not based on the law, malachi3:10 or the threats of curses and blessings preahers use to extort tithes from their flock. It is wrong and evil for a preacher to encourage compulsory tithing in his church. the truth must be told at all times especially in the house of God.

Very well said Kunle

Can someone please tell me why CE members always disappear whenever they are required to produce evidence or proof of unsubstantiated miracle claims? Goldenterp came here brandishing long posts and questions only to disappear after I asked him for evidence of his claims. I'm glad at least that this whole drama is playing out before the watchful eyes of everyone.

hubreality:
Sirjohn, good for you. You're now competing with God and His Words(The Scriptures). If you declare "quit tithing" then you're against the word of God and His existence like they atheists do. The truth remains, you're not a believer! A believer is one who simply believes on God's word. Are you a believer in Christ Jesus reading this thread and various posts, refuse every lying vanities of the devil, geared towards making you doubt and disbelieve God's word as it is written. The Word of God is Truth. Nothing can be truer than the Truth.
Jesus is Lord.

Why do you heretics always put God in the line to push your baseless defense huh? You just said its a matter of choice and I said I agree; what then is the competition with God? I do not believe tithing is a scriptural or biblical obligation for the new testament Christian, period. If you believe in it, go ahead and give it. I'm not debating on this one with you Hub, I'm sure you don't want it.

hubreality:
Sirjohn, the truth is, you're not yet a believer in God's Word(The Scriptures) though you may know them for ages and do quote them pretty well, I guess you're an atheist, right?

Atheist? I wonder what gave you that impression; I'm sure even the atheists will be surprised to read this.

hubreality:
Anyway, do you also know that believing is a choice? You're stopping tithing does not make it wrong or make God's word less than His integrity and purpose. Simple!

Yeah you're right its a choice, you can go ahead and give your hard earned money to Chris for all I care. Like I said Hub, I've quit tithing for a while now and I can tell you this: most of what you think you experience as a result of it is nothing but a fluke. Quit tithing, you'd be surprised everything will still be the same or even better like in my case. Maybe the 'devourer' doesn't play by the rules all the time

@ goldenterp, have you suddenly vanished into the thin air?
Hellooooooo!!

anonimi:
Has it ever occurred to you and your Mal.3:10 brandishing tithe-mongers that China & India both have one-third (2.2 billion) of the world's population (6.6 billion) and in the past twenty years have steadily grown more (absolute numbers & as % of their population) rich, prosperous people than Bible-clutching Nigerians and even the US Lately, wages and salary rates in these two countries are increasing to catch up with Europe and the US while luxury products manufacturers (Mercedes Benz, BMW, fashion designers etc) are opening factories there to cater for the nouveau riche.
I am sure you know they are not Christians there and will not even know about your Mal.3:10 on "how God blesses His people".
Read your Bible again and you will realise He blesses those who work hard, save their money and invest it for growth while sharing with the less fortunate in their midst.

I cant agree any less anonimi, I have stopped tithing for quite some time now and believe me, I have had more increase and blessings far far greater than what I had when I was an tither. If I hadn't stopped tithing, I would probably have thought it was my tithes and 'seeds' that made it possible.

@hubreality, Gods 'financial' system has got nothing to do with your money. If tithing and seed sowing is Gods financial plan for the prosperity of the saints, then I think the Nigerian Stock Exchange is doing a better job. Look around you hub, how many millionaire Africans, Americans, Europeans, Asians are Christians let alone tithe payers?

@ goldenterp,
You seem to be different from the other pro-chris apologists on this thread. Despite my initial reaction, you did not resort to insults and endless scriptural drivel; I admire that. I sense a willingness to know so I will endeavour to answer some of your questions and I have a few of my own as well, so here it goes:

goldenterp:
I also have an experience with the healing ministry of Christ Embassy, but its nothin close to yours, for me I experienced a miracle and'observed' that other people got healed.now question is since we have to opposing experiences, who should the readers believe?

Please kindly tell us the details of your experience at the healing school, like: Did you go there yourself or did you take someone there? how long did you stay in the healing school? If you experienced a miracle like you claim, can you give us details? if it was an ailment, can you tell us briefly about your medical history plus a doctor who treated you while in the condition. Did you know the medical history of the people you 'observed' got healed? how did you confirm they were healed besides their personal testimony?

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goldenterp:
are these the same Pastors and partners you attended the session with? If so, only you saw what you saw? Or did any other pastor or partner at that particular session see what YOU saw? if so i'd like to know them, sure they care about the church of God/body of christ and will be willing to share THEIR experience with me

If you were patient enough to go through the thread like some have done, you will off course know that I have answered this question time and again.
The pastors and partners who come to watch the 'final show' are specially invited from across several christ embassy churches, they are usually selected based on their financial contributions to the ministry. they were never part of the session which lasts for two weeks but are only invited to watch at the 'final show'.
there are of course other people who saw what I saw; I have also mentioned that on this thread, we need not all come on nairaland to make it sound any more true. I provided links to testimonies from people in South Africa who had a similar experience, I also attached a picture excerpt from the healing school website, the picture had lots to say.

[quote author=goldenterp link=topic=193649.msg3409321#msg3409321 date=1233430246]( when did u get born again, have you received the Holy spirit, did you attend the foundation school of the ministry, did you join any group, what was your designstion and who was your leader, and do you have a report of your activities in the group? also were you in another church before CE, if so where and why did u leave?, i'd like to have some kind of bacjground information abt you sir, hope u dont mind

You want background information huh?, I gave a bit of that on page 11 of this thread; please go back and read it.

goldenterp:
( As a memeber of the ministry who was very involved, i would have expected that you would have spoken to you leader about this person you brought to the healing school, BEFORE and after you both atended the session, no? what did your leader make of your 'observations'?

My PCF leader and the group pastor were both aware. When I told my PCF leader about my observations this is what he said: "bro xxxx, what you saw was a mirage, forget about it and go on with your life"

goldenterp:
(what was your approach to 'finding out'? could you tell us more about that

keen observation and information sourced from healing school staff.

I did mention in one of my posts that I was reliably informed by a staff of the healing school that wheelchair cases to be 'ministered' to were selected from the prayer room. please read page 2 of this thread.

goldenterp:
(are you saying you studied these people from day one that you got to the healing school? you should have been focused on hearing the word of God that was being given to you guys , to have least have faith for your invalid, but anyway did you approach any one of them to ask questions.if so, what did you ask them and what did they say to you?

staying with this folks every single day for four weeks, come on! it doesnt take a genius to figure out these things. Yes I spoke with some of them, I wanted to know the history and severity of their conditions. Those who had severe physical ailments are almost never ministered to, some of them have been to up to 3 to 4 different healing school sessions. You said you've visited the healing school but I'm sure you did not stay long enough otherwise, you would have noticed these things.

goldenterp:
so you are saying he got healed the 1st day at the healing school, why didnt he leave? was he waiting for someone or something that he believed the healer would transfer to him e.g the healing annointing, cos i think if he got healed day one since you said he hadnt used the stuff for two weeks, why would he continue for 2wks?

No sir, he wasnt healed on day one. Students are advised to 'exercise their faith' usually by trying to do what they find difficult to do normally. There was no change in his condition before and after the prayers. Even before he came to the healing school, he could walk without the crutches and neck collar but with much difficulty, (his brother gave me that info)

goldenterp:
Pastor Chris prayed for him and took the neck guard off as though it was a big deal
''As though it was a big deal' sounds to me like you conclude that pastor Chris was acting hence ur mind saw it like that

Pst Chris deserves an oscar award

goldenterp:
if people on the wheel chair were supposed to be actors how come she ddnnt just get up like nothing was wrong with her in the first place?

You are getting it all wrong Mr, the woman actually had a condition (rheumatoid arthritis), but she is not paralyzed like the healing school made it appear. the students are not part of the scam, but are used to perpetrate it. These people are desperate, all they want is a change in their condition so they'll do just about anything including sitting in a wheelchair which doesn't belong to them.


Now are you satisfied

goldenterp:
I am carrying out my own investigations and surely you can be of help yeah?

Young man, yes I can be of help: visit the healing school of christ embassy yourself like I have said a gazillion times. There should be a session on right now in Lagos. Go feed your curious young mind there.

goldenterp:
@sir john
thanks for the complements
but you didnt quite answer my questions

i'd like to meet you, seriuosly

goldenterp

I would also love to, but I prefer we discuss whatever issues here on this thread. I've recently had over a dozen meetings already with CE pastors, group pastors, deacons and leaders. I will soon discuss some of the shocking responses I got from these meetings; right now, I think I've heard enough 

@goldenterp,
Sorry to say this but your questions are the least intelligent I've seen on this thread. Though dumb, most the questions have been answered on this thread. You are either not so intelligent yourself or you were in a hurry to post. I'll answer your questions if I percieve an ounce of sense in them

allboyz:
"Father Lord,Forgive them. . . for they know NOT,neither do they understand,for they walk on in Darkness.

I think that line applies more to you, your pastor and his worshipers followers

Pepeye:
@
john

Shush! you must have your head in clouds if you think this your unsubstantiated and wobbly thread has any impact on us or the church and we don’t need to prove anything to you here on the net . . . this is internet afterall anyone can use photoshop and fake a pix
If you want us to prove anything real! You just have to go to the nearest CE church in Real land and not in nairaland . . Mischief-maker!!

Beyond all this “It’s better to light a candle than to curse darkness”

One simple but crucial fact is the Word works in Christ Embasssssssy!!

@pepeye,
FYI, I'm not in competition with CE, neither am I plotting its downfall. The truth I have revealed is out of a sense of responsibility. If you have taken note, you'd observe that I even encourage people to visit the healing school and find out these truths themselves. its so clear why your type would argue blindly about this issue because like ychrist, you may not have 'stepped a foot in the healing school' let alone stay to observe the organised trickery of chris oyakhilome and his CEC associates.
To the glory of God and the shame of the devil, I have personally been contacted by several people, many of whom are his church leaders who had been hoodwinked by chris and his manipulative ministry but are ready to break free. some of these folks had at one time or the other experienced similar strange anomalies but have been waiting for an explanation which never came.
Let me remind you once more pepeye; I am not in a fight with CE, its not a matter of who wins or loses but a matter of truth.
'one little leaven leaveneth the whole lump'

Pepeye:
just merely making an observation that

you wakeup from the land of the dead

when someone decides to resurrect this dead thread

thx to ychrist you owe him one

Pepeye oh Pepeye!!, between the time you and your allies ran away from this thread due to your inability to sustain the pressure of naked truth up till now, theres been over 2000 more visits to this thread and still counting. did you say 'Dead'? I dont think so

Pepeye:
john suddenly wakes up from slumber whenever this thread resurrects

And you cant resist the temptation of commenting on this thread even after you said you wouldnt

YChrist:
it is highly unwise to continue this debate with you
evidence of my miracles is not something i can display here (like tell me can i display a broken leg which i never took to hospital and then it healed- ooh you will now go ahead and ask why i didn't take it to hospital. you are so soaked in carnality that it is hard for this stuff to make sense to you - infact it isn't supposed to. it is higher than that
remember Thomas who had to see to believe ? we know he had zero faith

remember also no one can force healing on those not wiling.Jesus in many occasions after healing folks used to say 'your faith has healed you' it is 'chemistry'. one has his end of the deal to live up to. man is a spiritual entity unlike trees and animals or even nature. he is a free moral agent and he lives buy choices( therefore no guarantees) and unless mad or mentally incapacitated we are governed by a rule or law in whatever bit in life. ; remember also not many miracles were performed by Christ in Nazareth since folks there were unbelieving. take a scenario where for example one who does not have faith to heal joins healing. what do you expect? it will not be spoon-fed to him or her. even Papa God gives us a choice and we go ahead and respond one way or the other.there are no guarantees in these things. then again you expect too much it seem you argue for the sake what do you want , that pastor Chris caters for everyone's accomodation and taxi money.

I hope everyone can now see what I'm talking about; 'very distinct miracles' indeed, continue living in your delusion
I feel so sorry for you

YChrist:
the message of the cross is foolishness to the perishing
the wisdom of men at its best is foolishness to God
unfortunately not only the worldly but worse still many born again dwell in unbelief, doubts and fear/sense ruled
John 3:16 says it best , so that whosoever believes Him shall not perish but shall have eternal life.this is a package. the word doesn't say , shall receive eternal life after death. You can argue among yourselves all day but it wont change the scriptures. Many claim it is spiritual (this message) but c'mon guys! Jesus was born physically he was here with folks.wasn't He?
so a man born again can not be a mere man (if your Bible is anything to go by) since no ordinary man has eternal life. matter of fact he that is in Christ is a new creation (2 cor 5:17)now go ahead and dispute that.coz definitely an unbeliever will try to
Mark 16:18 these signs shall follow those who believe, ( notice He didn't say those pastors, apostles or prophets) they shall cast out demons, lay hand on the sick and they shall be healed, fellows! do you even own Bibles? you are ignorant of what you should be doing let alone Pastor Chris who has excelled in this. Your diagnosis is, UNBELIEF
remember faith comes from hearing and hearing the word of God (according to the Bible)
GREATER WORKS WILL YOU DO THAN I
I am a proud member of C.E and like most of you i was an unbeliever. but arguments like yours are only from carnal mindedness. a spiritual person knows better.

they say men fear what they dont understand you see your knowledge of the word of God is scanty , almost non existent. and that is what Jesus was so much against. Read the parable of the sower

salvation and the results of it are personal. but the bottom line is whether it is scriptural. the experiences of Christians may vary but that does not invalidate the word of God. in other words you can not question or doubt something which you haven't tried and if it works for others JUST PLEASE leave it at that. personally i have never set foot in Healing school but I need not; better yet I have used the word of God as mentored by Pastor Chris countless times to achieve very distinct miracles but thats a story for another day
it is either Jesus was the Son of God or He lied. you decide. He says 'I am the way the truth and life. no other. He chose His words carefully. BELIEVING IN AND NO ONE ELSE (he is the truth)HIM IS WHAT CHRISTIANITY IS;
you are all entitled to your own opinions but what are they based on? science, fear? remember the wisdom of men , carnal mind is enmity to God

I wont bother wasting so much of my valuable time responding to your post; however, I have something to say about the statement I highlighted in bold letters. here's the deal: I'll advice you visit the healing school; I understand there will be a session which will commence in Lagos by February 2nd. Go there, stay for the whole session, observe what goes on. If it is anything short of what I described, I will publicly apologize to Chris Oyakhilome and his organization. How about that?
You said you achieved ''very distinct miracles'', would you be kind to tell us ábout the 'miracles', I'm dying to hear them. (No phoney stories and please provide proof of your tales)

SirJohn:
If the story is true (I don't doubt that it is), then it is definitely not a surprise at all to me. In march 2002, one Mr Lawrence Agada a pastoral assistant was involved in a similar scandal. Many of such scandals relating to financial fraud have been reported both in the past and in recent times from Christ Embassy Pastors and brethren. Recently, one Pastor Freedom, a highly respected pastor in Christ Embassy absconded to the US with huge amount of money supposedly gathered from members of the ministry.

Correction: I meant to say Pastor Precious not 'Freedom'

Pastor AIO:
I don't know if it is so much a matter of the pastors deceiving the nigerians or rather the Nigerians deceiving themselves.

I think the latter is more appropriate. Yes, because even when Nigerians are robbed in broad daylight by some of these conmen, they'd rather choose not to 'touch the lawds anointed'

@Sistasista,
Have you gone through the links? Do you need any clarifications?

EI,
I honestly dont think I understand exactly what you're trying to say

donnie:
If you choose to look for false preachers, CEC is not the right place to start. Go look for those who sell hankies and groudnut oil to their congregation for healing. look for those who recieve payment for doing what God sent them to do.

Even though I don't agree entirely with the poster,

Look at you pointing fingers at other people, your 'pastor' Mr Christian Oyakhilome is building a business empire out of staged miracles and false claims. I suppose you don't think that is a problem right?? FYI, he is as much a charlatan as the people you mentioned above.

@ ttalks,
thanks very much for the two links you provided on the Word of Faith Movement:

www.biblebb.com/files/WRDFAITH.HTM
http://www.gospeloutreach.net/whatwordfaith.html

Anyone seeking to know the basics of  WOF should have no problem achieving that from these links. There are several other links which provide a more comprehensive study of this movement. I will provide one or two others but before I do that, let me give a very brief background of myself so you can understand how and why I endorse these write ups.
I have been a Christian almost all my life; I got born again at age 8 in my primary school days. I beacme enthusiastic and hungry for spiritual things, I craved for a deeper experience in God. At age 12, I began to talk in other tongues and had a deeper commitment with my faith. I wanted more than I had experienced, I yearned for greater spiritual experiences. At that age, I had read so many publications by Kenneth Hagin, he was my first spiritual 'mentor'
At age 13 (in secondary or high school), I had gradually moved into a mix of charismatic & WOF. I met a brother in school who was greatly influenced by Benny Hinn, he introduced me and a couple of others to some charismatic experiences and manifestations. Like Benny Hinn, we would lay hands and blow on people and watch them get 'slain under the power'; we also practiced exorcism (casting out devils), boy! that was a different experience etirely. In short, we practiced any kind of 'charismatic gymnastics' you can think of. I continued in these things until I joined Christ Embassy, this was were I fully embraced, practiced and taught the doctrine of WOF. I even published tracts and several write ups of WOF beliefs. Even as a WOF practitioner, I had lots of questions and reservation about some of the beliefs. Each time I was comfronted with these questions within me, I would look at some of the miracles (by Pst Chris) and say to myself "well, since God is using the man, theres probably a lot he knows which I don't know so maybe be I should just relax and find out what I don't know yet" These all went on until my observaton at the healing school; then it struck me, I had found part of the missing link. I went into indepth study of WOF and that was when the whole piece came together.
No wonder the miracles are staged; the doctrine behind the man is false, how can it ever produce any genuine miracle.

Here's a link to a detailed comprehensive study on the WOF movement and its doctrines (please read through): http://www.intotruth.org/wof/moreno1.html
Here's another link you'll find interesting: http://www.letusreason.org/wf25.htm

I'm also including these youtube videos showing an expose of some of the renowned WOF teachers. These videos show some disturbing manifestations and unimaginable utterances from these men and women.
Please patiently watch these videos as they are bound to make you cry. God help us!!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pndwVxnG9Is&feature=related


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOzblh600HM&feature=related


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uMvy0gh_bg&feature=related


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ux39aDCUOkg&feature=related


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@Sistasista,
Kindly let me know If you have any questions after reading these articles

Well well well! after much hesitation, I'm finally moved to comment on this thread. My comments will be based on three things:
- My membership/interaction with the the ministry within the last five years
- My observation/experience at the Healing School in Lagos which has been clearly stated in detail in another thread
- My personal opinion

Firstly, when I read this story several months back, I quickly dismissed it and regarded it as one of those malicious allegations against Chris borne out of 'jealousy' perharps. Shortly after that incident, I went to the Healing School in Lagos and had a shocking experience myself.
Having observed and clearly understood the gimmick and trickery used in the healing school, I think it may be unlikely for Chris to offer money to anybody to get off the wheelchair; I think he's too smart for that. By this statement, I am not ruling out the possibility of such happening. All I'm saying is that he uses a different method, one which makes it easy for things to go on almost unnoticed.
Kindly read my story on this thread: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-193649.0.html

The man in question alleged that it was a pastor, not Chris who offered him the money; well I know that Pst Chris is surrounded by ardent loyalists who will do just about anything to protect him and the personality he has built for himself; one of them may have done this.
***I mentioned names of some of his loyalists in the Healing School Lagos in 'The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School' thread ***

Its hard to draw any conclusion here because there is no evidence to back up the story, yet I can say that it is very possible something of that nature happended. However, there is another allegation of fraud from south Africa which I can relate to because it was exactly the kind of observation I made at the Healing School Lagos.
Please read this:

Lerato Maisela’s hope that her daughter Mathapelo would be healed was dashed after visiting Pastor Chris Oyakhilome’s healing school.

Mathapelo Maisela was diagnosed with a brain tumour in 2005 and attended two weeks of healing sessions at the Christ Embassy Church. She was 10 at the time.

Her mother told Sowetan that on the day of the supposed healing at one of the church’s seminars, her daughter was well enough to stand on her own but was put in a wheelchair.

“I was new at the church and did not understand the procedure,” she said.

“The other congregants were in another room and watched us on a video link-up.

“After the pastor prayed for my daughter they asked her to stand up as if she were healed.

“The congregants shouted with joy when they saw her walking.”

Maisela said she believed people have the power to heal.

“Pastor Chris took advantage of my desperate situation,” she said. “I believe that God gives people power but if they are greedy they will be punished.”

Maisela’s daughter died shortly after her visit to the pastor.

“My daughter was an amazing child and I was willing to do anything to make sure she became better.

“I am glad that he is exposed. He should stop taking advantage of people.”

Maisela has not gone back to the church since the incident.

• Names have been changed.

Source: http://www.religionnewsblog.com/21092/chris-oyakhilome-3

Hi Hub,
I was wondering if I could have your e-mail address; there are few things I would like to communicate to you.
Dont wanna distract your lovely thread.
Thanks

@SistaSista,
I'll have it posted as soon as I have it put together.
Thanks

@hopegirl,
All the religious movement/sect we have today started little by little. One false belief gradually adding unto another until it became a full blown movement. Rev King didnt start by burning people, he probably even had a good christian background until he 'caught' a revelation which no one else knows.

I saw a video of Billy Graham the other day denying that Jesus is the only way, he now believes you can access God through any religion.

Some of the movements/sects we have today would not have emerged if certain christians stepped into their responsibility to rebuke and reprove when they ought to.

Pastor Chris may not be tying people to stakes or burning them; but when someone is given a false hope of healing and then he stops his medication and eventualy dies as a result, what do you call that?

hopegirl:
You would say you're not bringing people down, just telling the truth. It really is and I hope you'l get people to do to you as you're doing to him.

Would you say same for the judge who sentenced Rev. King?