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Africankel:The very same cowardly trait others like you have exhibited on this thread, its called INSECURITY. There must be something you guys are afraid of seeing. Africankel:Listen to yourself Africankel!! Africankel:Please take time out to go through the thread, no one will take anything you say here serious if you dont. theres no ounce of seriousness in your post. This issue has been addressed time and time again on this thread. Africankel:Yes, admission into the healing school is free!!, no doubt about that. But the students are made to sign up partnership forms during the session. They are also taught Besides, MEGA partners are selected to witness the healing session; the reason for this is quite simple. when they see the phoney miracles, they are inspired to give more. (Good 'Holy Business' strategy if you ask me) You said: "How can an unprepared man be fixed in a line when we all know its baseless" Is this what you call them, 'UNPREPARED'? you set up a charade called the healing school to 'teach them faith' and after two weeks you send back hundreds of them and say they are 'UNPREPARED' what a shame!! and some people have the effrontery to tell us not to expose this. PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!! |
hubreality:@Hubreality, It was not my intention to wear you out of the thread, but I think it was wise of you to heed sound advice to exit the thread since you and your 'allies' have failed to address the issues raised here. You tried to take up a responsibility which was beyond you; I most certainly understand your dilemma. I was never at any time mad at you for not accepting my story; I know if you had seen the things I saw it would probably have been a different story all together. I therefore urge you to take time to find things out for yourself, I believe that will settle a lot of issues. And if you do find out that my story is true, then be it known unto you that you owe the world the TRUTH. If you keep mute, then let the blood of every of Gods children who would have heard this truth from you rest upon your head. I do not hold anything against you or Pepeye, even if you do not apologize for the insults. I forgive you ow11: |
ow11:ow11, I appreciate your responses on this thread. However, Pepeye, Hubreality, Donnie, Pastor t and others are not the reason for this thread. As at the time of this post, this thread has had over 2500 visits, this number makes the apologists on this thread so inconsequential. Besides many objective readers viewing this thread can tell that none of them have truthfully addressed the issues on ground. Their responses on this thread have further exposed their lack of understanding of Gods word, as they have constantly evaded a clear matter and sought refuge in the words of 'Pastor Chris'. You think you have seen proofs ow11? relax theres more to come |
hubreality:My dear, all I ask is for you to attend the next session of the Healing School and see things for yourself and stop trying to fight for a course you know nothing about. Contrary to your flawed statistical analysis, I do have other witnesses. please read the stories in the links: http://www.religionnewsblog.com/21092/chris-oyakhilome-3 http://www.religionnewsblog.com/21091/chris-oyakhilome-2 The bible makes it abundantly clear that "in the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established" |
Pepeye, isn't it so glaring how your recent posts and that of Hubreality no longer contain insults and personal attacks against me and other forum members who want to stand for the truth. This is obviously because you have been openly and publicly criticized and rebuked by forum members on this thread. That is the whole idea! Look what open criticism has done to you and hubreality, now imagine what it would do if Pastor Chris visited this thread and found out that someone knows about his 'little secret'; like you, he would definitely buckle up. |
prizeless:"Touch Not the Lord's Anointed," The familiar recourse of the deceiver and the deceived whenever falsehood and deceit is being exposed. Perhaps we should take a moment to trash this issue once and for all. Let’s take a look at the scripture for a moment: "And confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant, saying, Unto thee will I give the land of Canaan, the lot of your inheritance; When they were but a few men in number; yea, very few, and strangers in it. When they went from one nation to another, and from one kingdom to another people; He suffered no man to do them wrong; yea, he reproved kings for their sakes; Saying, Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm." (Psalm 105:10-15.) Many preachers today teach that if anyone criticizes them, or finds fault with them in any way, or goes against their wishes, then that miserable fellow has "Touched the Lord's anointed." Many eloquent sermons have been preached to warn those who would dare commit such a sin that they face the unmitigated wrath of Almighty God. But is it what that verse really talks about? The immediate context of the verse is a reference to the patriarch Jacob, who was not an ordained preacher, at least not as we would understand that concept today. Just what kind of hazard was Jacob in fear of as he wandered from one nation to another people? Did he live in mortal dread that someone, somewhere, would criticize him? No, his concern was that the heathen would use physical violence against him. Read his complaint in Genesis 34:30: "And Jacob said to Simeon and Levi, Ye have troubled me to make me to stink among the inhabitants of the land, among the Canaanites and the Perizzites: and I being few in number, they shall gather themselves against me, and slay me; and I shall be destroyed, I and my house." It is clear that to touch the Lord's anointed is to commit an act of physical violence against the one anointed by God. It does not refer to those who verbally attack and criticize a preacher and his doctrine. Such verbal attacks may be quite wrong and sinful, and in some cases they may be commendable and necessary (see Jesus criticizing the Pharisees in Matthew 23, Paul criticizing Peter in Galatians 2:14-21, Paul versus the Judaizers in Galatians 5:12, Philippians 3:2, etc.) but they are not covered by the idea "Touch not the Lord's anointed." You made reference to I Samuel 24:6-7, where David had an opportunity to have King Saul killed, but refused to take advantage of it: "And he said unto his men, The Lord forbid that I should do this thing unto my master, the Lord's anointed, to stretch forth mine hand against him, seeing he is the anointed of the Lord. So David stayed his servants with these words, and suffered them not to rise against Saul. But Saul rose up out of the cave, and went on his way." Immediately afterward, David publicly criticized Saul in front of 3000 of Saul's troops, as well as his own 600 men, saying "The Lord judge between me and thee, and the Lord avenge me of thee: but mine hand shall not be upon thee. As sayeth the proverb of the ancients, Wickedness proceedeth from the wicked, but mine hand shall not be upon thee." (1 Samuel 24:12-13.) No one seemed to feel that David was touching the Lord's anointed by this open rebuke of Saul. It is clear that to touch the Lord's anointed involved violence against his person, not criticism, rebuke or reproof. Why, then, do we hear so much whining from preachers today who warn their followers, and their critics, not to touch the Lord's anointed? Just what do these preachers have to hide, and what are they so anxious to cover up? To rebuke a preacher who has committed errors of false doctrine or practice cannot be the sin of touching the Lord's anointed, because it does not involve the use or threat of physical violence. Such rebuke is appropriate and even commanded in certain instances. "But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed." (Galatians 2:11.) "Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith." (Titus 1:13.) "Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses. Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear," (1 Timothy 5:19-20.) The office of elder here is the same as the scriptural office of bishop or pastor and they could not be higher in rank than the Apostle Peter, who Paul rebuked publicly before the congregation of Antioch. WHO THEN IS THE LORDS ANOINTED? Since we are instructed so many times that we must not touch the Lord's anointed, it might help to check out the New Testament and find out just who are the Lord's anointed today. In 2 Corinthians 1:21-22 we read; "Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God; who also hath sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts." The Apostle John tells us, "But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things, But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him." (1 John 2:20,27.) There we have it - all Christians are the Lord's anointed. How could it be otherwise? In Old Testament times, only some believers were priests, but in this age of grace, we are all priests: "Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ , But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvelous light." (1 Peter 2:5,9.) So my dear Prizeless, in the light of this glorious truth, you are just as guilty because I am also the Lords Anointed. |
hubreality:Hubreality, I am fully aware that as Christians, we have been endued with the power of the Holy Spirit and have been given authority over demons and sickness. I equally believe in the gifts of the Spirit as discussed by Apostle Paul in I Corinthians 12:8-11, "For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will." However, we must be careful to note that nobody has exclusive right to these gifts as they are given “to every man severally as he wills” secondly, these gifts are subject to the sovereign will of Almighty God and not ours. Another thing you should know hubreality is that not every Christian has these special gift of healings or miracles; its important we understand this fact otherwise we would be living in a fools paradise. Now hubreality, unlike Pastor Chris, I have not claimed to have a special gift of healing or miracles; if I did, then I should live up to it like some of the Apostles did. Apart from claiming to have the special gifts of healing and miracles, Pastor Chris claims (and teaches same) that the new creation was recreated on terms of equality with God. He teaches that we possess the same miracle working and creative abilities as God (wow!!) and that we have exactly the same ability Jesus had when he walked the earth. He makes all these bogus claims and yet he would not minister to real cases of physical disability and deformity (if you believe he actually does, then you have been misguided); doesnt this show that he doesnt posses these special gifts afterall or that he does not have the same ability as Jesus contrary to what he teaches. It is such erroneous beliefs as these that will push a man to stage miracles in order to replicate the acts of Jesus. For someone to teach that the born again Christian is in the same class as God, he sure has put himself in a tight corner and would do anything to get out of it. My dear hubreality, these false teachings find its root from ‘The Word of Faith Movement’ and its associated demonic doctrines which elevates man to the level of God and reduces God to the level of a mere man. I love you once more hubreality but "Open rebuke is better than secret love." Proverbs 27:5 Be wise!! |
kaydkay:I went to the healing school because I believed God was doing mighty things through the ministry of Pastor Chris. I also went because I believe in the scripture that says: "if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. Mt 18:19" I did also mention in my first post that I was at that time a major financial partner of the ministry; how would I have the intention of discrediting a ministry where not less than 40% of my income goes monthly and sometimes the whole of my income ( I work with a multinational company). How would I have wanted to run down a man whom I have a mini library of his books and messages? Did you think it was easy for me to bear what I saw? I literally cried everyday for weeks on end and prayed for courage to accept the truth. I have that courage now and oh what peace it has brought. It is true that Jesus could not perform mighty miracles in his hometown because of their unbelief (not his inability) "Mark 6:5-6 And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them. And he marvelled because of their unbelief. And he went round about the villages, teaching. ." Pastor Chris in several of his messages has twisted this scripture to support his inability to perform miracles by saying that Jesus tried to heal in his hometown but failed, in fact he (Pastor Chris) gave an example by saying that Jesus must have told a lame man to get up and walk and it didn't work. This is rank heresy and an insult on the person of Jesus. My brethren will it be proper to just sit down and watch Gods children being fleeced with such heretical statements? even Paul by the Spirit could tell if one had faith to be healed before he ministered how much more Jesus "Acts 14:8-10 And there sat a certain man at Lystra, impotent in his feet, being a cripple from his mother's womb, who never had walked: The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith to be healed, Said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked" Apart from his hometown where the people were not healed because of their unbelief, this is what the bible says about every other place that Jesus went please read these scriptures, pause for a while, think and then tell me if I'm another Pastor Chris hater or someone who is just stating his point objectively. The choice is yours to make Mt 4:24 And his fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and those which were possessed with devils, and those which were lunatick, and those that had the palsy; and he healed them. Mt 12:15 But when Jesus knew it, he withdrew himself from thence: and great multitudes followed him, and he healed them all; Lu 4:40 Now when the sun was setting, all they that had any sick with divers diseases brought them unto him; and he laid his hands on every one of them, and healed them. Lu 6:17- 19 And he came down with them, and stood in the plain, and the company of his disciples, and a great multitude of people out of all Judaea and Jerusalem, and from the sea coast of Tyre and Sidon, which came to hear him, and to be healed of their diseases; And they that were vexed with unclean spirits: and they were healed. And the whole multitude sought to touch him: for there went virtue out of him, and healed them all. Notice from these scriptures that Jesus always healed 'all' and 'every' sick person he came in contact with; he didn't have a special 'healing line' where some people were screened out and some were allowed. Everyone that ever needed the touch of the master got it and was healed completely. |
Ollajay:You seem to get it all wrong here, and I may want to think that you have not been following this thread objectively. I have in no way forced my story or my opinion on anybody. I posted a story which happens to be a candid narration of my observations and experience at the Healing School of Christ Embassy. I had taken into consideration the reactions and responses this kind of story will generate before posting it especially considering the status of the personality involved. Most of my posts on this thread have mainly been responses to questions directed to me (I think you should take time to go through them). I am also fully aware that when it comes to deception, you cannot fully persuade everybody involved to accept the truth; even the Pharaoh was heart hardened after seeing all the wonders of God. Yet we must tell the truth, yet we must expose falsehood, yet we must rebuke unrighteousness. |
[quote author=hubreality on November 19 2008]I do not agree with you(Poster) that those miracles were stage managed. Look, I repeat, this thread is inspired by the devil, you have made several false claims. Pastor Chris has prsonally responded to press men in 2005 when the entire PFN were very hot on him about his association with Prophet T.B Joshua and all their claims which couldn't stand the test of time due to their false foundations respectively. Anyway, it may interest you to check out this press interview with Pastor Chris in that regard: http://www.dossiers/pastor-chris-oyakhilome20050117-interview.htm[/quote]In this particular interview Pastor Chis was asked this question: How exactly did you meet T.B. Joshua? This was his exact response: "It was in 2001 that I met him or spoke with him for the first time, contrary to the assertions of the PFN leaders. He called me on the phone. He had been watching our programme on television with some of his visitors, and there was this episode of a little girl who was born blind, who received her sight at our crusade. He said he was moved by the miracle and decided to call me. That was our first contact. After that, we spoke several other times on telephone." Now this is my question: If he claimed he never spoke to or met T B Joshua before the telephone conversation, how did T B Joshua get his personal phone number with which he contacted him? There's a strong suggestion here that they may have been friends all along. |
hubreality:My dear, CEC brethren are my brethren, they have been my brethren for the past five years. however, the truth has to be told. My efforts to bring this issue to the top hierarchy has been met with strong resistance. Nobody was bold to take the step with me even when they were convinced about the issue. I know that someday Pastor Chris will be humbled to respond to these truths that have constantly been brought to his face. The same thing happened and is still happening to Pastor Benny Hinn; he has been forced several times to respond to sit down interviews in which he has apologized for wrong actions, statements, prophecies, false miracle claims etc I agree with you, time will surely tell Yes I will be in IPPC 2008, at least I qualified ![]() |
donnie:Hi donnie, Be it known unto you that the purpose of this thread is to expose the falsehood going on at the Christ Embassy healing school. It has nothing to do with efficacy of Gods power; I do believe in miracles, however not the type Pastor Chris would have us believe he performs. The Healing School of CE does not represent Gods power on earth therefore exposing its falsehood does not equal denying Gods power. How has the miracles in the Healing school stood the test of time if I may ask? the last time I checked, CE miracles have been the most controversial of any ministry I have come to know. The so called healed are hidden from external press, taking photograph in CE crusades and meetings are forbidden, there are no substantial documented proof of any miracles. how does all this translate to 'standing the test of time'? You did say that you have worked as a volunteer at the healing school, right? kindly answer these questions: Are you a healing school staff? Are you a pastor? Are you an outreach fellowship coordinator? Are you a deacon? Are you a member of 'The Haven'? If the answer to these questions is 'NO', then you were nothing more than one of the several stooges they use as ushers in the healing school who are unaware of the goings on there. I'm sure you were just a nobody there unless you are one of the names I mentioned in one of my posts as the major conspirators. Yes I have seen dignitaries at the healing school; one Chief Michael Ibr* husband to Mrs Cecilia Ibr* who is sick of Parkinson's Disease was at the May session of the healing school. He spent 4 weeks there and was not any better. His status earned him 'ticket' to the healing line, he was ministered to by Pastor Chris, left the healing school in the same condition (if not worse) and is currently back to his medical treatment. Now hows that for a great miracle ?I laughed when read what you said about the wheelchairs in the healing school. This is what I have to say to that: On day one (orientation Day) of the Healing Healing school May session, Pastor Deola who is the director of the Healing School claimed that the healing school had lots of abandoned wheelchairs from people who were healed and didn't need them anymore. well, in all 4 weeks in the Healing, I didn't see a single wheelchair owned by the healing school, instead they kept taking wheelchairs from students whenever they needed any. Please take time to read my initial posts, I have said all this before. |
Horus:If the story is true (I don't doubt that it is), then it is definitely not a surprise at all to me. In march 2002, one Mr Lawrence Agada a pastoral assistant was involved in a similar scandal. Many of such scandals relating to financial fraud have been reported both in the past and in recent times from Christ Embassy Pastors and brethren. Recently, one Pastor Freedom, a highly respected pastor in Christ Embassy absconded to the US with huge amount of money supposedly gathered from members of the ministry. In all of this, this is what I have to say: Christ Embassy Pastors are usually under intense pressure to meet certain financial targets each year. this sometimes gives rise to unreasonable competition among the pastors. Giving the timing of this particular incident, I could also say that the pastor was trying to raise enough money for IPPC 2008 which kicked off today. Whats IPPC? you may ask, its a yearly Christ Embassy program (International Pastors and Partners Conference) for all pastors and partners of the ministry from all over the world. the strange thing about this program is that you have to actually qualify financially to attend it. For this year, you ought to have given partnership seeds and offering up to N50,000 between Nov 2007 till date to qualify. last year it was N20,000; who knows what it would be next year, probably N100,000. The highlight of the program which usually runs for about a week will be the 'presidential Award Nite' where outstanding financial partners are applauded and awarded for their financial contributions to the ministry. Last year, one Deaconess Dolapo Layode stole the Nite as she emerged the ministrys' highest financial donor. This is a lady who bought one of Pastor Chris' used suit for N13 million Naira during an auction organized by the ministry last year. We were told the proceeds from the auction was for mission work. At the moment, several brethren and pastors in the church who are yet to meet the target of N50,000 are making effort to do so, while those aiming to get a presidential award are looking for millions of Naira or Dollars to sow in order to be recognized during the awards Nite. |
hubreality:Now your mind is beginning to play tricks on you. For your information, I and David are two different people standing on the same truth. Your guess is pretty much like your stand on this whole issue. how come you keep talking about fear? are you afraid that so many things you may have believed is true is right now dangling on a balance. As for the fear, doubt, unbelief, and hate you listed, it is your insecurity not my story that has given rise to it. If only you will make an attempt to verify what I have said you'd probably not be tormented by fear or doubt anymore. I love you too, thats the reason for all this, |
hubreality: hubreality: hubreality:@hubreality Please tell us since when has God started giving his children unscriptural ‘rhema’. Where in the world did you get such a distorted view of the Holy Spirit being ‘the energy of God’ or your so called rhema ‘the energy of the spirit’ which sounds more like a phrase from one of the many ‘new age’ religions or metaphysical cults. I want to be sure you’ve been reading your Bible, or did you get that from the rhapsody of realities? I said so because if Pastor Chris will teach that ‘wisdom is a force’, a view which not only is unscriptural but purely new age metaphysics, he could as well have taught that the Holy Spirit is the energy of God. My explanation on the ‘Placebo effect’ is purely in the field of medical science and not metaphysics my dear; try updating your knowledge. The responses you speak so much of have not produced any substantial point, especially to refute my testimony. This has obviously been noticed by other forum members visiting this thread. Your responses have been clearly evasive and have shown the shallowness of your understanding of scripture. you did say that you "will be examining this thread in Truth and in Spirit, not just the play of religion and it's associated politics" all I have seen from you and pepeye is not Truth and Spirit but insults and evasiveness. |
[quote author=ow11 on November 10, 2008.]One more thing, It is well known that people have died after attending the healing school and refusing to take medication (trying to prove their faith) but people too have claimed to be healed after attending the school. So are all the healings fake? or just from people who want to believe they are healed?[/quote]It is very true that so many people who were proclaimed 'healed' at the healing school later die of the same ailments. Of course Pastor Chris would want to have us believe that they died of unbelief or that they did not have enough faith to sustain their healing. But were these people ever healed in the first place? Given the right conditions (usually in a suggestible state), the human brain has the ability to produce a certain substance known as endorphins, the endorphins has anaesthetic ability 200 times that of morphine. it is the body's answer to pain, infact it is the body's self healing power. strong belief in the ability of anything to produce healing effect triggers the release of this substance. This is also known as the power of 'mind over matter', and has been applied by psychic healers over the years. That is why only people with sicknesses that manifest pain ever seem to get 'healed' at the healing school; the blind do not receive siight nor does the lame walk. This phenomenon is applied in drug testing and is known as the 'placebo effect'. let me explain briefly: to test a new painkiller pill or instance, two groups of people (with real cases of pain) are given a dose of the pill. one group is given the real painkiller pill while the other group is given another pill (placebo) which has no therapeutic effect (inert) but looks exaclty like the real pill. The two groups are actually made to believe they are taking the same pills. research result from this kind of experiment have revealed that over 30% of the people administered with the 'placebo' experience the same level of pain relief as the people who took the real pill. This 'mind over matter' phenomenon is what gives this folks temporary symptomatic relief from these conditions, note that I said symptomatic this is because the underlying cause of the ailment is never healed, only symptoms attached to the real conditions are suspended for a while. This explains why these people later die or become worse. |
Pepeye:The tone of your reply is that of one that is embittered. I can only conclude from this that you have read my post and you are infuriated at the impeccability of the story. such bitter words could only have come from a conscience that is so strongly battling to accept truth. now heres my advice pepeye: don't fight the truth, because it will only hurt more |
well I do know that the practice of men braiding their hair or wearing earings was common among ancient pagan nations. Several superstitious beliefs were attached to them. Some societies today are indifferent regarding issues like this. However, I think moderation has a role to play here. David cited a scripture which says " dont let your good be evil spoken of" |
Pepeye:@ Pepeye You did'nt read it cos you dont have the guts to face the truth; I dare you to read it Pepeye. I dont completely blame it on you, I had a hard time accepting the truth myself. you claim that miracles abound in CE, but maybe you should know that miracles (staged or real) does not validate any ministry else we would have to endorse several false religions and religious sects cos they all have claims of miracles. |
huxley:He does feel the pain, just that he relies on folks like Pepeye to help him douse it, |
[center]THE TRUTH ABOUT CHRIST EMBASSY HEALING SCHOOL contd.[/center] After the process of registration has been completed by every student few days into the session, they are split into several groups (usually depending on their cases). So you find one group with cases such as: HIV, infertility, barrenness etc and another group with cases such as cancer, diabetes, brain tumor and so on. ***The registration process includes signing an indemnity agreement. The agreement stated that the ‘healing school shall be indemnified of any form of fatality or injury of any sort that may arise in an attempt to exercise your faith’ (paraphrased). The students were made to sign another portion which stated that they were there solely on the basis of their own personal belief (to me that was another way of saying OYO). Signing of these agreements was compulsory for every student. *** Classes are held on a general level each day. This is usually several hours of faith stirring teachings, video clips of Pastor Chris’ miracle crusades and testimonies from previous healing school sessions. There is usually a break period after which the students return for more ‘lectures’ After the general class, the students would then separate into their respective groups for a group session. Each group had a pastor or healing school staff overseeing it. I believe the segmentation into groups is to help monitor each student closely. After the group session, some groups were to wait behind for special prayers in a place they call ‘Prayer room’. The groups with less severe cases didn’t have to wait for the prayer room session. The prayer room as I later learnt was the point where the whole selection of wheelchair cases for the healing line was done. In the session I witnessed, there were two prayer rooms. Evang. (Dr) Eddy Owase and Rev. Ray Okocha (both are CEC members) were each in either of the rooms respectively and they were each assisted by a healing school personnel. Each student took their turn to see the ‘men of ***I was reliably informed by a senior healing school staff that anyone who couldn’t stand or walk in the prayer room wouldn’t make it to the healing line. He went on to say that Pastor Chris saw every single recording from the prayer room and only those who are well able to stand and walk was eligible for the healing line. As a matter of fact, when Pastor Chris stands before any of these folks during ministration, he knows exactly what they can or cannot do because he has already seen a video recording of that. Hmm!!!*** The first session of the Healing School had about 500 students in attendance; more than half of this number did not make it to the healing line. No reason or explanation was given except that it was ‘in their best interest to repeat another session’ i.e. another two weeks. This development left several of the students confused, many of whom had spent the last two weeks paying hotel & taxi bills. The first healing service of the session was held on Sunday May 18 by 3pm. Those who did not make it to the healing line were asked to come by 12noon, on arrival, they were prevented from entering into the main hall, instead they were asked to remain outside under the baking heat of the sun. Security marshals had their instruction not to allow any of them into the hall. It was indeed a very sad sight as I looked around and saw the cases they had left outside: the crippled, blind, deaf and dumb, paralyzed, children with down’s syndrome and so on, all littered everywhere; tears rolled from my eyes as I watched. Later on, we noticed that some students were already in the hall, in fact they had been asked to come as early as 8am. ***the eligible ones came as early as 8 am, they had a special closed door session in which they were ‘prepared’ adequately to meet with the ‘Man of some of the students left the healing school at this point threatening to expose the whole scam. I tried calming down a few of them saying it was probably too early to pass judgment, some agreed. It was now 3pm and the invited partners and pastors had started arriving. We’d been kept outside for three hours now for no reason at all. If not for the rain that made us force our way in, God knows for how long we would have been kept outside. Inside the hall seats were already reserved for the partners and pastors and special seats were also reserved for the ‘eligible’ students. No sitting plan was made for the other students, it was only later they created a place at the rear end of the hall for us to sit. Later on the service began and the eligible students were brought in straight from the special hall where they have had a closed session to the special seats reserved for them. Later after that, the wheelchair and stretcher cases were brought in. This was the funny part because out of over 100 wheelchair cases in the first session, only about five made it to the healing line and out of that five, only two came to the healing school with their own wheelchair and they could both stand and walk on their own (I saw them do so). The rest three were as surprised as I was because they were occupying a wheelchair which didn’t belong to them. The ones that lay on stretchers also didn’t have any reason on God’s green earth to be on them. You’ll know the rest of the story if you read the first part of this post. The second session went much the same way as the first although with a slightly funnier twist. More than half of the students who were asked to repeat didn’t come back to the healing school, each with bitter memories of what they had experienced. The few of us who still hung on to the illusive lifeline given to us decided to continue. We were joined by another 500 students, most of whom would later share the same ordeal. Everyday witnessed the same rituals as in the first session until the last day. Selection was done as usual and we were yet again denied the healing line, this time around, we were joined by over half the number who came for the second session (an enormous crowd you’d say). The second session had its own healing service with the same theatrical display from Pastor Chris which earned him loud applause from his pastors and partners who were completely oblivious of the deceit. Having had so many crowds of desperate impotent and disabled folks in their hands all unattended to, the Healing school got smart and decided to play a fast one on us. They announced that there would be another healing service the next day for the rest of us to be ministered to. “Wow!! Finally, Pastor Chris was to live up to his reputation as a faith healer and shut his critics up for life” or so I thought; but oh how wrong I was. The next day came and as you would expect, we all came as instructed and waited patiently for Pastor Chris. My suspicion again started as I noticed that nobody came to address the crowd, we were all left in a warehouse like hall from morning till evening. When finally we were asked to come in, I noticed that the stage lights used the previous day had been removed; there were only two or three camera men, no protocol staff etc. I immediately smelled a rat, a big rotten rat. No much ceremony was observed; they obviously didn’t want to waste our time and theirs so Evang. Dr Eddy Owase came up and asked us to watch two videos: one in which Pastor Chris had sent a handkerchief to the healing school in his absence, the second was where he instructed an Asian pastor to minister to a woman in wheelchair. After we were done watching, Rev. Tom Amenkhienan, Pastor Chris’ maternal cousin walks in and started to minister to the crowd of impotent, lame, blind, deaf and dumb, paralyzed folks. He had come in to take the heat for his master; I admire his loyalty, except that he came to stand in for a coward and a charlatan who couldn’t face reality himself. He enjoys fame and glory and the adoration of his passionate members from cheap miracle scam. No wonder he chooses to stay silent most times because he has no defence at all. For those who think I made up my story, I have two tasks for you (1) go ask Pastor Dave, Pastor Rhoda, Pastor Austin, Pastor Shola, Sis Charlotte (German), Sis Lauren, (all are Healing School staff and major conspirators of the scam that goes on there) and some others whose names I do not have at the time of this post. Let them say that I have lied or let them say that I do not understand the ‘ways of the spirit’. (2) Anyone can visit the healing school and confirm these things for themselves. I understand that there is tight security at the Healing School, but nobody will turn you back if you came with a medical report and claimed you came for the school. stay there fore a session and let me know if your experience would be any different from mine. while you are at it, kindly read a similar story to mine from the Healing School South Africa. is this just a coincidence? http://www.religionnewsblog.com/21092/chris-oyakhilome-3 Also view the youtube video in this link, a minister W V Grant uses the same technique as that in the healing school. You'll also find another minister exposed for similar miracle fraud. BE WISE!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI17bZJVcU8 To be continued, |
There are recorded Biblical accounts of people being overwhelmed during certain supernatural encounters. Peter, Paul and John to mention but a few all had experiences that resemble 'the falling under the power' phenomenon. There is also another recorded incident in John 18:6 where a detachment of soldiers with Judas stumbled and fell before Jesus. However, you will also notice with careful study of your bible that it was not a norm among the new testament Christians. so where did this phenomenon come from? If you have read about the Los Angeles Azusa street revival of 1908, you'll understand how the 'slain under the power' thing became popular. infact several pentecostal and charismatic practices came after this revival. I do no intend to bore any one with the story so heres my take on the issue: Yes, I believe one can experience the power of God in an overwhelming manner (not necessarily falling down) but such experiences should not rob the person of his self control or judgement. Sadly what we see today in modern day pentecostalism is nothing more than psychological manipulation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn6FF5nhTSs We need not say this over and over again but what you experience in most of the churches today is as a result of an induced suggestible state. This is known as the power of suggestion, mind over matter, mesmerism etc all of these methods are employed by these preachers. |
[quote author=A_K_O link=topic=193649.msg3078903#msg3078903 date=1226525067]Hey, I'm just curious. . . . those of you who are medical experts, please how does a brain tumor affect the ability to walk?[/quote]lol http://www.abta.org/index.cfm?contentid=13 |
hubreality:Hi hubreality, (see attached) Please note the difference in the two wheelchairs in this picture excerpt from the CE Healing School website. The one used during the interview recording is different from the one used during the healing service. Note also that both pictures were taken the same day (same clothes). Now how does all this add up ![]() I wasn't in this particular session which was obviously held in the Healing School in Randburg SA, but having experienced two full sessions back here in Lagos, it wasn't difficult for me to figure this out. I can say with a great deal of confidence that the lady didn't come to the Healing School with a wheelchair. This sort of thing happened repeatedly in the sessions I witnessed. Interview video recording is done for every student usually within the first few days of the session, a re-recording is done hours before the healing service (D Day) only for specially selected people (I promised discussing the selection process). These are the ones they hope publish in magazines and web. The re-recording is done to dot the T's and cross the I's. During this final recording, the camera crew employ various tactics to get exactly what the 'man of God' wants. The camera crew assisted by a pastor or a senior Healing school staff decided who goes on stretcher or a wheelchair. If no wheelchair was available, they quickly ran to the main hall to get one from any student who wasn't presently occupying theirs (my friends wheelchair was used for this purpose severally).
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bobokanis:Hi Bobokanis, Your reply to my story is no surprise at all. you have not only responded like a typical CE member but you have failed to react to the main issue. I'm glad you mentioned in your reply that I'm right to some extent, you also did not refute the wheelchair and stretcher scam so I guess you accept that I am right. My intention by the time I'm through with this topic is to reveal the whole truth. How do you explain the fact that someone well able to stand and walk is placed in a wheelchair or stretcher some of which does not even belong to them; and then the 'man of God' is made to look like an anointed faith healer which he is not by getting them to stand on their feet and walk. What has my feelings got to do with this, please tell me. No matter what the intention might be, the bottom line still remains that millions of people watching these phoney miracles end up thinking that these people were either crippled or bedridden which is completely false. I don't know if you visited the link I attached to my earlier post; I was with those folks for two weeks and I even spoke with one of the three. some of the reports about them are either completely false or exaggerated. Speaking about your friends daughter, I do not deny the fact that people may experience changes in their physical conditions during or after visiting the healing school; it is probably the same reasons for which people get 'healed' after visiting the shrine of 'Our lady of Lourdes' in france. I intend to discuss healings in my next post, I'm sure it will clear up some things here. Stay tuned!!! |
I think you all should read this, its quite revealing. a lot of times we make judgement based on a one-sided information. http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/bonnke2.html |
Many have wondered and would like to know the truth about healing and miracle claims from the healing school of Christ Embassy. I’d like say a few things about the genuineness of these miracles which have sparked endless questions. What I’m about to say may sound shocking to you but it is the truth. it is a first hand account of my experience at the healing school. What you see on loveworld videos/TV, especially miracle testimonies no matter how believable they appear, are simply what Pastor Chris and his TV crew wants you to see. The truth is that a larger number of people including his pastors, partners and even you hardly ever know what goes on behind the camera scenes. I was at healing school May 2008 session and the discoveries I made blew my mind and shook the very foundation of my faith. I spent a total of 4 weeks at the healing (it had two sessions and each ran for two weeks) this period of time at the healing school afforded me the opportunity to observe certain unusual happenings which I must reveal. I have been a member and a consistent financial partner of the ministry since 2004. Pastor Chris Oyakhilome had been my role model, mentor, prophet and father. I have followed his teachings and doctrines to the letter so much that you couldn't talk with me for 10 Min's without knowing I was his follower. I had taken someone who was wheelchair bound as a result of spinal cord injury to the Healing school with hope that Pastor Chris would minister to him at the end of the session (at least this is what I was made to believe from several healing school publications) but this was not to be, and the events that followed were shocking and beyond my imagination. After the first session, there was to be a healing service where the students having received faith to be healed, were put on the healing line to be ministered to by Pastor Chris. This was where my questions started. The reason is that not only did we not make it to the healing line but several other folks with obvious physical disabilities were also not put on the healing line. I made efforts to find out the criteria for the selection that was made; this was what I found out: I discovered that all wheelchair cases taken to the healing line for ministration were people whose conditions were not such that they couldn't stand or walk. in other words, the people you see popping out of wheelchairs in those videos can both previously stand and walk. They are carefully selected through a process I will discuss later. Secondly, to my utter amazement, I also discovered that several other people whom I had seen on different occasions walking around the hall unaided and without any sign of pain or disability during the two weeks session were put on wheelchairs or made to lie on stretchers during this healing service. After much waiting, the “Man of God” walks in touching every one on the healing line and then proceeds to the wheelchair section; with one touch here and there he instructs them to get up “and they do” wild shouts of excitement reverberated across the auditorium as partners and pastors who have been specially invited to witness the miracles jumped for joy. I felt like sinking through the solid ground, I couldn’t believe my eyes. Once in a while I would utter a word of prayer, I’d say: “Lord please don’t let this be what I think” I remember a particular man who came for that session; he had been involved in a motor accident which left him with a spinal injury. He had difficulty walking normally because he couldn’t bend both knees while walking (I had seen him walking) he came with a neck guard and two crutches to support himself properly while walking. I observed that two days after coming to the healing school, he started exercising his faith by moving around without the neck guard and crutches, that was how he moved around for two weeks. During the healing service, I was shocked to see the same man with his neck guard and crutches which he hadn't used for two weeks. Pastor Chris prayed for him and took the neck guard off as though it was a big deal, the congregation applauded and stood to their feet as he went on to take the crutches from the man; he then asked the man to walk. The man obviously walked but not any better than he had walked for two weeks without Pastor Chris praying for him. After the service, as the partners left the hall, the students and the “healed” were asked to wait behind. I observed that one of the two ladies who got out of the wheelchair half an hour ago quietly sat back in her wheelchair with a pale look on her face, the people who brought her all the way from Benin didn't seem like they had seen a miracle; this puzzled me more. The borrowed wheelchairs were returned to the real owners as I looked with great surprise. Please see the link below: http://www.christembassyhealingschool.org/new/images/pdf/August2008.pdf the lady in page 14 (in blue jacket) is the one I'm refering to in the last paragraph. She could both stand and walk before the ministration by Pastor Chris. The young man in page 15 is reported to have been "unable to walk without a walking frame" yet I had seen him on many ocassions before the healing service walk around without that frame. The woman in page 16 did not even come to the healing school with a wheelchair; the wheelchair you see does not belong to her To be continued… |
Razor bumps a.k.a pseudofolliculitis barbaeare is only common to men with coarse or curly hair. I used to have the same problem until I carried out some research on the subject. I think your friend should first and formost understand the cause, that way, control will be easy. note that I said 'control' thats because there is no permanent solution to the problem. Now heres how it works: After a hair has been shaved (usually using a razor cos razors cut too close to the skin), it begins to grow back. Curly hair tends to curl into the skin instead of straight out the follicle, leading to an inflammation reaction (bumps). affected areas begin to itch making you scratch, that forces the hair deeper into the skin making it worse. the skin treats the ingrown hair as foreign body and hence reactions. TIPS: - Do not use multiple blade razors for clean shave, they cut too close to the skin. - You can start trimming your beard instead of shaving. that'll help. - Shaving every other day, rather than daily, will improve pseudo-folliculitis barbae - water soften the beard first with a hot, wet washcloth for five minutes before shaving - Existing razor bumps can often be treated by removal of the ingrown hair. I hope this helps!!! |
I dont agree that making Lagosians part with such ridiculous amount of money is the best way to curb these excesses. Any typical Lagos driver will agree with me that there are situations where going againt traffic is unavoidable. I have been driving on Lagos roads for over 15 years and have had to take 'one way' on some occasions. I didnt do it because I just wanted to, but I was faced with situations which offered no other option. Like has been mentioned on several posts, policemen and other traffic officials including LASTMA intentionally set traps for drivers to fall right in. I was driving somewhere in Mushin the other day when I drove into a massive road block, there was obviously no other way but the 'trap' way so I took it; like a bolt from the sky, traffic officials ran out of there hiding places in all directions to grab the unfortunate prey 'Me'. Need I also talk about bad and unmotorable roads that make us take alternative routes or the fact that some of the roads in Lagos can be confusing unless there are road signs. unfortunately there are no road signs, the few we had on the roads have been removed by malicious traffic officials who would rather have innocent drivers break traffic rules. let us not also forget that there are sacred cows in Lagos who are allowed to break traffic rules. All you need is a uniform of any colour and you can break the rules. |
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Here is my opinion: these folks that are paraded as recepients of healings or miracles are neither ghosts nor are they aliens. these are Nigerians who live among us; I think it will be absolutely dump for anybody to want to stage a miracle with someone whose origin can be traced easily. |
Well I agree with everyone who agrees that the picture is cute, but I also beleive that there was some cutting egde technology enhancement done on that picture. anyone who knows what I'm talking about will agree with me. the same technology was used by politicians in the last general elections for posters and billboards. that aside, Omotola is still pretty anyways! |
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