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KunleOshob:
Evidently CE is in the business of winning members customers and not souls as the bible directs. I sincerely pray that you CE customers would wake up and see the light before it is too late.

Dont mind them KunleOshob, they speak as though I've not been there; in CE, its all about numbers. You need to see leaders falsifying figures just to appear efficient. oh boy, I know CE like I know my name

hubreality:
Busy body! You just dey show yourself. You go tire

I'm making progress Hub, oh I wish you knew how far I've gone already

hubreality:
Be inspired by numerous testimonies across the globe. Enter the healing school: www.enterthehealingschool.org

You mean testiphoney

Image123:
@SirJohn
I'll choose not to fully answer your question,but let me give you one.
PEACE.I have peace that comes fromobeying God.Obviously even an onlooker can tell that anti-tithers are restless and,

lol, dont even waste your time Image123 cos you cant answer the question. You speak of peace, Oh I have it in abundance. Hundreds of people and counting are getting to know the truth, what more can I ask for; this is pure fulfilment

No sir, I'm only saying most of them are popular. I'm talking about the likes of leroy thompson, creflo dollar, Benny hinn and our own Oyaks

I can say with absolute vertainty that not all of them do, unfortunately the ones that do seem to have stolen the whole show. Why not, they're super rich, rich enough to run a 24hr sattelite TV station, rich enough to buy airtime from major sattelite TV like TBN and GOD TV; thats why they're the ones we see. But I tell you, like in the days of Elijah, God will always reserve men who fear and worship him sincerely.

ukotmi:
SirJohn take it easy. Been reading your writeups on ChristEmbassy, Pastor Chris, WOF , tithe paying etc.
But at times I wonder wether you are writing to educate us or settling old scores .
Interesting, there is a ChristEmbassy Sub Group Church near my house. Many of the members live on my street and the adjoining streets. I am currently doing a detailed study on Healing School, miracles and Healings in ChristEmbassy. I want to talk to a number of people there who have gone to Healing School for healings. I have posted a short report on this on another thread.
It may take some time but I'll finish it.

Would really love to hear your report, do you mind sharing?

hubreality:
If I may ask, what is your ultimate aim for the question?

Are you ruling faith out? If so, i wonder what have bewitched you! What a doubting question indeed.

Off course I'm not ruling faith out but like I've said in several posts, faith is not always required for healings and miracles. Jesus healed so many folks who didn't express even an ounce of faith. But your pastor will have you believe that people who do not recieve their healing from the healing school lack faith.

Mr Chris is always quick to defend his inability to perform miracles by saying that Jesus didn't perform miracles in his hometown. But the Bible states that he still went ahead and healed few sick folks there. Their unbelief was not so much the problem, he still could have performed miracles there if he wanted.

Remember the case of Lazarus, Lazarus was a dead man, his sisters and relatives were faithless nonetheless, Jesus went ahead and brought him back to life. His conversation with Martha in vs 39, 40 and his prayer afterwards in verse 42 of John 11 says it all.

And I know that you hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me

You dont get me Hub, my question is: was there any sick or invalid person that jesus ministered to that didnt get completely healed but needed several weeks/months/years of faith talk to be completely healed?

There was only one such case: the blind man who said he saw men as trees when Jesus ministered to him. What did Jesus do? tell him to go home and keep saying it? NO, he laid hands on him again till the man could see crystal clear.

Yes Jesus did not heal some folks in his hometown because of unbelief, but let me ask you: Did Chris not teach that faith came with the package of salvation. If men to whom faith had not been given freely could recieve 100% healing, how much more the new creation that is a custodian of eternal verities. (according to Chris Oyakhilome)?

When someone does not get healed, they say you do not have faith, okay show me an example of a blind or lame man who had faith and got healed, they suddenly become dumb.

Pathological Liars!!

hubreality:
Salvation is personal.

Hosea 4:6 (King James Version)

6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

One who have received a miracle from God will have to and always maintain his/her confession of faith not doubting, will this sickness come back again? Pastor Chris is only a channel. Let God be praised. He/she will ultimately require to grow in the knowledge of God's word and the Power therein. The walk of faith is beyond self, science, and religion.

Now tell me Hub was there any case in the bible where Jesus or the apostles did not achieve 100% result. Was there anybody Jesus healed that needed to do 'faith talk' before he was completely healed? These are all lame excuses of present day faith healers who are nothing but charlatans

hubreality:
Several healing have taken place in the lives of so many across the globe to the glory of God in more than 50 countries and they can not all be lying even the ones who got healed just watching the telecast and the internet globally even here in Nigeria.

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Question: Why then does the ministry of christ embassy prevent access to these miracle recipients?
Answer: I have personally interviewed a couple of them before; the truth is most of these people actually lie to themselves in the name of faith.

For example, a friend of mine who happens to be a member of the Haven PCF of christ embassy went to the 2008 May session; he is a sickle cell patient. I was there when Chris ministered to him; he shared his testimony on a sunday service in church as having been healed.
Well, this is ten months now, the sore in his leg isn't getting any better, he still limps, and still suffers crises that lands him in the hospital every now and then. off course the congregation doesnt know all this, all they know is what he told them as his testimony.

Nice gimmick!!

hubreality:
Why do physically disabled people not get healed at the healing school?

For crying out so loud your unbelief. Several healing have taken place in the lives of so many across the globe to the glory of God in more than 50 countries and they can not all be lying even the ones who got healed just watching the telecast and the internet globally even here in Nigeria. May be your mindset of unbelief in they acts of God has denied you to see. You went to the healing school to find faults, and to mock God on miracles, joining forces with they atheists. Your little you is too small for the move of Holy Ghost.

How many of those watching via telecast have been healed of blindness, or how many crippled folks have been healed. The answer is none. Mr Christian Oyakhilome is a charlatan, a very smart one.

hubreality:
Believing is a choice and salvation is personal. [/b]God's word still remain eternally truthful and reliable. Men are bound to fail. [b]The Lord shall perfect all that concerns His elect. Being conscious of His Love and His Power is a beautiful act that renews. It's not a competition thing, it's just the Love of Christ Jesus shed abroad in our hearts.

Jesus is Lord.

Who's competing with you? I dont think you come close when it comes to the 'faith walk'.

Why do physically disabled people not get healed at the healing school?

hubreality:
This is a faith walk. I'm sure you've not meet me in person and i don't know you either except here on NairaLand.  

I believe in realities, not fables and am wise. I would have dropped God(My so called Jesus) long ago before I became an orphan. I'm a living testimony of God's grace, never have I personally heard of Christ Embassy and Pastor Chris then between 1998 and 2003. I've been used mightily by God right from the age of seventeen. I know what I'm talking about. I do not play religion in any form. I do not argue nor debate on God's word in any form. I'm a born soul winner for Jesus. My only defeated enemy is Lucifer(Many call him, satan or devil) not any of my fellow human being. Although men could be influenced then I cast him out in Jesus Name, Amen. I dwell and walk in Love. Love is my cherished asset

Many souls have been saved through the Internet and this is a valuable tool in my hand. If you're an atheist who do not believe in God and you've chosen to mock the gospel of my Lord Jesus Christ. It's no news, check the history.

Some of us have greater stories to tell you know. I've been on the scene for over 20 years; Where you are right now, I've been there long ago. I've ministered in crusades and programs as early as age 13 where there was spectacular demonstration of what you would call 'the power of Gods Spirit'.
You see Hub, theres alot more to winning souls; remember the parable of the sower

I'm still waiting for your answer Hub: Why do physically disabled people not get healed at the healing school?

Pastor: I cover the driver with the blood of Je**s

Passengers: Blooooood of Je**s

Pastor: I cover the engine with the blood of Je**s

Passengers: bloooooood of Je**s

Pastor: I cover the road and the tyres with the blood of Je**s

Passengers: Blooooood of Je**s

Pastor: I cover everyone in this bus with the blood of je**s

Passengers: Bloood of Je**s

hubreality:
No debate and No argument! You rested your case earlier. Right? I walk by revelation and by faith not by any "carnal critical thinking/reasoning on the scriptures" If you persist, then ask the Holy Spirit, He has all the answers you may require. He inspired all scriptures. Thank you.

Come on Hub, you can give it a try; at least you can share with us what the Holy Spirit 'told' you. Come on Hub, 'you can do all things'

@Image123,
Back to the original question: What spiritual blessings do you enjoy as a result of your obedience to tithe which non tithers like me and KunleOshob cannot enjoy?

hubreality:
Wow! I'm excited about the glorious presence of God's power in our days by His word and the Holy Ghost. God's word is living and active. Hallelujah!
Autum session(March - April) of the healing school is on now in South Africa. No case is hopeless if you only believe. www.enterthehealingschool.org

@Hubreality,
Since the permanently disabled dont ever get healed at the healing school, does it mean no disabled person has faith?

@Hubreality,
you keep making so much noise about Malachi 3:8-10 so I had to post it here so you can read it once again. I'm sorry but I have to ask you these questions: how do you study your bible?

How does this passage relate to you as a new creation?

Have you taken time to study the law of tithing as commanded by God to the jews which the prophet Malachi spoke of?

Is it the same kind of tithe you practice?

If the answer is no then where does the popular pentecostal tithing originate from?

Do you think the early church practiced tithing, did the apostle Paul not teach freewill giving as opposed to the compulsory 10% tithe?

I was a teacher in the foundation school of CE, I taught 'doctrines' in my class. One of the topics in the manual is 'giving and recieving' where Mr Chris says that "tithing is compulsory for the christian", how do you justify that statement in the light of the scriptures?

Be sincere with your answers Hub, thats even if you have the answer.

Malachi 3:8-10
8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.

9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.

10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

@hubreality, I think you should re-title this thread; 'Hubreality-Pepeye' wont be a bad title. How come its just the two of you posting on this thread? where are all the 'numerous' CE brethren? or are they too busy to visit the internet?

away4real:
I guess we can study the lives of christains (not circular) that have propsered Kingdom way from ministers like Kenneth Copeland, Kenneth Hagin to businessmen like Peter J. Daniels and surprisingly like Oprah Winfrey. Read their auto biographies and books search what they say are their secrets, what they consider are the pillars of kingdom prosperity that is if some of you believe prosperity is scriptural.

Please tell us, what did Oprah and Peter J. Daniels say was their secret; Tithing?

away4real:
Then show me one just one non-tither that has prospered beyond "just being blessed".

Ignorance on rampage!!

@Pepeye,
Do you want to bail out your brother cos hes doing badly

@Hubreality,
Considering your last post, I rest my case

Kunle you go wait tire

hubreality:
Sirjohn lives his life in doubt an unbelief in God's word thinking he's fighting CEC including our dear pastor Chris. Leave him in his pride, and ignorance in the power of God's Spirit. When he writes that people should not pay tithe and never to believe in deeds of God; he thinks he's fighting pastors, let it be known to him that he's in fight and competition with God which he's already a loser.
Time will tell, remember his master(Satan), the chief accuser of the brethren also quoted scriptures to Jesus but never believed but was just a mere defeated mocker and deciever.

Yes, I tell people not to pay tithes because God never instructed them to do so. I also tell people to be wary of the antics of Chris; I have equally given my reasons.
To the glory of God and shame of the devil, many CE leaders and members are coming into the light of this reality. Many of them who have stopped practicing the lie called firstfruits and tithing have mind blowing testimonies which they would previously have attributed to 'the blessings of tithing'.

fyneguy:
Sir John

Yes Numbers is important! dont u know that the more you deplete CE's numbers through your propaganda, the more converts you get and the more your reward in em em heaven?

Oh yeah! even when half that number cannot quote John 3:16 after one year in the church?

fyneguy:
lol Sir John

Now you are doing better. Good job boy! I'm sure this new piece from you will shake that church to its foundation. Let's go to church on sunday and laugh at depletion of their members.

yippeeee ride on Sir John. Satan is happy with u!

Numbers! numbers!! numbers!!! thats what you seem to be interested in.
Matthew 23:15.
Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you cross sea and land to make a single convert, and you make the new convert twice as much the child of hell as yourself

initiate:
can one of you antagonists mention where people pay tithes and dont prosper.

Do you need me to tell you that?? you have them in your church dude

hubreality:
I witnessed a testimony of a testify himself to the glory of God on Tuesday 10th March 2009 whom his friends and brethren deserted just because he was diagnosed and confirmed with HIV(AIDS) for over one year ago. In fact, he narrated how he was on a daily 4 tablets specially for the virus and he must not miss any daily dosage as prescribed by the doctor or else it will get worse if already started. His medical report was equally confirmed by a doctor and others who also knew him on that condition. It showed on him then.

The Good News! Hallelujah!!!
I can't wait to share this testimony. An Awesome Miracle! Glory! Jesus is Lord!
He attended the February 2009 Healing School held in Lagos, Nigeria. In the Healing school, he discovered really that God wants him well, how He already settled about his health and how he can take hold of his miracle by faith. According to him " I took a hold of it by faith as pastor Chris ministered the healing anointing of God's spirit on me, and i felt a warm movement in my whole body as i fell down on the floor, when i got up i knew very well that i had my healing in Jesus Name, Amen"

He immediately gained his normal strength that was lost, he's stopped the daily must take drugs for the virus, gloriously and finally the same doctor and other doctors were amazed how it happened after seeing this same man they knew how his people deserted him of the ailment come back healthy and stronger. He now has proof of HIV negative. Not just the scientific results, the man is now strong and healthy. Hallelujah!!!

What a miracle! I was really moved to love God the more on hearing this testimony. I've heard of these miracles severally happened in and after the healing school but now i witnessed a confirmation of this one.

All things are possible in Jesus' Name, Amen. The Word Works!

Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Hebrews 13:8


Be inspired also by the testimonies of many across the globe as you enter the healing school website, testimonies do reproduce to the glory of God. Enter the Healing School:

www.christembassyhealingschool.org

This reminds me of a dear brother we lost last year; He came up about three years ago to share how that he had been healed of HIV in on of Chris' program. Everything looked fine with him until late last year when we got the shocking news that he died of complications from HIV; this was just few weeks to his wedding, in fact, he was to be get married to my PCU leader.
I know too well about Chris' miracle scam anytime any day

hubreality:
Does he need to follow this thread or what the scripture says.

This your bold competition with God and His word is terrible. Never will I debate or argue on this matter, but I'm so sorry for you Sirjohn and co who are in this competition with God and His word, unbelievers and mockers.

Its a shame that you will always label anyone as evil, atheist or anti-God who does not believe or agree with your Pastors deceptive antics; yet you will not provide any reasonable scriptural backing for your delusions. I have had disagreements with Image123 on some issues but I must confess that I admire his courage and boldness in defending his faith. I think yo have a lot to learn.