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TenQ:
Exactly like pagans who can sear with the stones, the knife, the hill, the sun, the moon their mothers life.

Whoever wrote the quran is a Man swearing exactly like a Man.

The God of Abraham couldn't swear by Anything other than Himself

Heb 6:13-14:
"For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he swore by himself, Saying, Surely blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply you."

The Difference is clear!: the God of Abraham is Not Allah who sears like pagan humans


How can the Fig be called to witness when it cannot move to the point of swearing?

Are you saying that Allah is swearing by Israel?

1. Who is Israel according to Allah in the Quran?
2. Why is Allah swearing by Israel?

Na wa o, another mumbo jumbo in the Qur'an.
What did Muhammed think was Israel.

AntiChristian:
Which verse is this?

None of this verse is new to u but I will not allow u hide behind one finger.

“Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star when it rose and have come to worship him.” Mat 2.2

On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped him. Mat 2.11


i] The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God. Luke 1.35

Now answer my question.

Did the wise men worshipped little baby Jesus that was enjoying the warm cuddle of his mother OR the divinity in Jesus.

MaxInDHouse:
I just quoted the NWT (JW Bible)

Ok, but he left out the reflection/radiance part. That's my point.

Lukuluku69:
The Wise Men story was a fabrication. It never happened. It was a LIE to hoodwink the Zoroastrians who are looking out for a Reformer of their own corrupt Religion. Do some Research. The Zoroastrians are looking for Astvat -ereta or Soeoeshyant. That story that they visited Babe Jesus was a fabrication.

The Persians have been Muslims now for more than 1,400 years. Believe whatever you want to believe that's your Cup of Kunu make you dey sip am! Every one with Internet knows the growing Religion and the waning one.

It is true the Jewish Customs dedicate newborns on the 40th day. That doesn't remove the fact that the Wise men could have travelled all the way from Persia to Judea within 8 Days from the sighting of a Star in the East (Persia) to when it came to rest at the Manger.

Newborns can't travel far you say? But the Bible says Jesus and Momma japa'd to Egypt to evade Herod's massacre, na Flight ✈️✈️✈️ Dem take?

Ok u sef don deny the verse of wise men worshipping Jesus.

U made a claim the magi story is a fabrication. Bring evidence, no need for all these Zoroastrian theory. The first one u brought forward has been punctured and fell flat.
Unless u bring another valid evidence, your claim is rejected.

How old was Jesus when they fled to egypt. Lukuluku69, sit down and do a timeline of jesus childhood. Why do u think herod targeted kids below 2 yrs.

MaxInDHouse:
It's not forgery in his own version it wasn't interpreted like that:

He is the reflection of God’s glory and the exact representation of his very being, and he sustains all things by the word of his power. And after he had made a purification for our sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high.

The same could be said of Adam the son of God! Luke 3:38

Even at that he left out the 'reflection of God's glory'
It's nice u standing up for your brother in JW, but he's still not right. Except u telling me the JW bible translation doesn't have that part.

MaxInDHouse:
Perfect means created in the image (likeness) of God!

He used terms that you're not familiar with so he is correct you just misunderstood him.

May you have PEACE!

He left out 'son is the radiance of God's glory' in that verse.
That's forgery and not right.

MaxInDHouse:
As a perfect human like Adam {1Corinthians 15:45} Jesus is the radiance of God's glory {John 14:9} had it been that Adam didn't fail in his own test against Satan we won't need Jesus at all on this planet because Adam was made in the likeness of God {Genesis 1:26} that's why God's word said all humans who are supposed to be radiance of God's glory have fallen short of God's glory due to sin inherited from Adam {Romans 3:23} so don't let anyone deceive you with letters Jesus is God's son just as Adam is God's son! Luke 3:38

Adam that fell is a perfect human being. Do u know what perfect mean.
As I said, I refuse to debate u because I know u also JW.
I only corrected the guy because he forged a bible verse.

God bless u MaxinDhouse.

Lukuluku69:
Which verse o jere

Don't worry about antiChristian. Him never chop, by the time he chop better food, his brain will recharge.

Just answer my question I asked you.

AntiChristian:
Which verse?

“Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star when it rose and have come to worship him.”

On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped him

So do u want to attempt my question now.
Did the wise men worshipped little baby Jesus that was enjoying the warm cuddle of his mother OR the divinity in Jesus.

Let me give u a tip to make it easier for u.

35[i] The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God. [/i]

Janosky:
Hebrews 1:3 says what?
"The son (Jesus) is exact representation of his Father's being, sustaining all things by Father's powerful word"

Representation (Dictionary definition)

noun
the action of speaking or acting on behalf of someone or the state of being so represented"


Because the Professor was sent to represent Bubu, some people DECEIVING THEMSELVES that the Professor is Bubu himself.

Clowns

I won't allow u distort a bible verse and get away with it.
Heb 1.3

The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.

Why did u omit the highlighted, because u uncomfortable with the truth. That's forgery and coming from a Christian says a lot about your belief and your person.

God bless u and I pray he opens your eyes to the truth because u far from it.

AntiChristian:
Na holy spirit inspire you to abuse me! Open your eye and your mind while reading!



Nobody worshipped Jesus just as Abraham and others just bowed for others as a sign of respect!
Na your translators dey translate nonsense when it comes to Jesus!
Jesus must be God sha!

Which divinity does baby Jesus possess?

When Jesus was worshipping God in Matthew 26:39, Which divinity does he have?
Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.”

May your eyes be opened!

So in summary, u denied the verse that said baby Jesus was worshipped because u can't answer it.

TenQ, advocatejare...see antiChristian telling me the bible is corrupt. Is this another Takiya or he's truly stuck.
If bible is corrupt what should we say about the Koran.

Well let's wait for Lukuluku69, may be he can answer the question. Be like say that question too hard for antiChristian.

Lukuluku69:
Dokita, use your sense! I know you are cerebral to have passed thru Medical School.

How many days was Babe Jesus at the Manger? We know on the 8 days he was taken to the Temple for naming. Or they went directly from the Manger to the Temple?

Yes the Persians were converted thru the Swords. Exactly as prophesized in the Zoroastrians Scripture and in the Vision of Daniel.

Lol, still grappling at straw? When has the Demography of only the Young people form the whole for the Country? SEBI you passed Medical School? Critical thinking is a requisite nah .

Read my previous post, the story of the Wisemen was a concoction. It never happened. It is like the story of Batman in Gotham. Someone's creative imagination.

Jesus was presented to the temple on the 40th day and not 8th day. Purification of the new mother and presentation of the baby to the Lord is done on the 40th day according to the law of Moses.

'And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord.
As it is written in the law of the Lord, Every male that openeth the womb shall be called holy to the Lord;
And to offer a sacrifice according to that which is said in the law of the Lord, A pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons.'
Luke 2.22-24

Read the Leveticus 12.1-8 for proper understanding. It's too long can't bring it here. But baby Jesus went to Jerusalem on the 40th day.

Besides your 8th day theory isn't practicable. Neonates are too small and weak to embark on any remarkable journey at that time. The exposure to cold isn't an healthy thing for a little baby.
That's why most culture wait until baby is strong enough after neonatal period to do child dedication.

I'm not sure how these relates to the wise men visit, but if u differ on the travel journey, I ask u again- tell me where they started their journey.
Besides 1 month is enough for the wise men to travel down from where ever they journeyed from.

The young generation in Iran are abandoning Islam and u say it's insignificant. Who will make up the greater population tmrw, who will give birth to the future, will they teach them Islam?
Why is Europe genuinely afraid of her future with more than 30 percent of her young population being foreign migrants.
The fastest growing religion right now in Iran is Christianity.

Once again I ask.
Did the wise men worshipped little baby Jesus OR the divinity in Jesus.

AntiChristian:
1. Did the wise men call him God?
2. How did they worship Jesus?

1. Was Abraham worshipping them?
Then Abraham rose and bowed down before the people of the land, the Hittites. Genesis 23:7

2. Were they worshipping him?
Then the maidservants and their children approached and bowed down. Leah and her children also approached and bowed down, and then Joseph and Rachel approached and bowed down. Genesis 33:6-7

3. This would have been worship if Jesus was in the picture?
“At this the servant fell on his knees before him. ‘Be patient with me,’ he begged, ‘and I will pay back everything.’Matthew 18:26

Lastly, Jesus did worshipped God:
Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.” Matthew 26:39

The Bible writers did not use worship above but decided to used it below:

and asked, “Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star when it rose and have come to worship him.” Matthew 2:2

The wise men were not even Christians! And "bowing down" to people could be as a sign of homage as seen above!

He be like say u never chop this morning abi when does reverence greeting becomes worship.

When yoruba people or even guys up north bow before the obas or emir, are they worshiping the king.
When a Yoruba man prostate flat in front of an elderly person is that worship
Abeg dey use your brain when making points.

Show me all those verses u quoted where they worshipped the person.

The wise men claimed they came to worship the Messiah and when they saw him, they bowed to him.

Another meaningless statement is claiming the wise man were not Christians.
When was the new covenant established, when did Christianity start.
How can they be Christians when they came to worship he who will establish Christianity.

Monotheism wasn't restricted to Judaism in ancient times. The wise men were monotheists.

Now answer my question, don't avoid it.
Did th wise men worship baby Jesus or the divinity in Jesus.

Lukuluku69:
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Lol

The Wisemen story was nothing but a fable. Concocted only in whoever wrote the Gospel of Mathew brains. It never happened. And to let you know it is never happened, I can give you one simple logical poser you can do mentally.

The Distance between Persia and Judea, how long do you reckon it will be covered on a Camel? Minimum 3 months. It was covered in at least 2-3 days! Lol 😂😂😂😂😆😆

To properly understand why the story of the Wisemen was coined, you need to research the Zoroastrian Religion. They were looking for a Reformer who would come from another country to reform the corrupt Zoroastrian Religion.

Get an Encyclopedia and read.

The Zoroastrians found that Reformer in Prophet Muhammad and Islam. Today, the Persian are Muslims. Go and verify.

Show me from the bible the wise men travelled from Persia to Bethlehem. Where did u even get they traveled for 3 days.
U ve started confabulating again. If I accuse u of forgery now, u will say I'm exaggerating.

I take God beg u, don't even start with fables because Qur'an will be buried and some may even be tempted to leave Islam.
Pls let's just stick to present debate. Leave fables alone because Qur'an has lots of them.

Persians became Muslims with the help of the sword. Good thing is their eyes are opening and present generation are abandoning the cult.
Recent polls showed only 37 percent of young Iranians identify as Muslims.

I repeat my question, when the wise men came to worship Jesus. Did they bow down to the little baby enjoying his quiet life in the cradle or the divinity in him.

Lukuluku69:
Okay.

So, show us when God became An Angel to redeem the Angels too nah Sebi the Angels too rebelled?

Abeg enjoy your Superstition while I enjoy mine too, when we all met God, He will judge between us all.

What are angels, can they be redeemed? Maybe in the Qur'an I don't know. Why is redemption a possibility for man and not angels?
I thought u an expert in bible exegesis, I'm surprised u keep asking this basic questions.

I repeat, if u think the only time God entered creation to become man was to redeem mankind, then u need to go and read more on the old testament stories.

I agree with u that believe in Allah or Muhammed is superstition. Because u can't prove they exist in anyway or form.
But I and thousands of Christians can prove to u that Jesus is real. He exist and his word is true.
He lives in is us as evidenced by the powerful testimony and miraculous power of his active force in our lives.

By virtue of my profession in the medical field, I've witnessed real evidence of medical turnaround that can only be explained by a divine force. Not like someone told me, but what I witnessed with my own very eyes.

That's why I laff at Muslims who claim religion should be based on objective reasoning and if done that way Islam will triumph.
Every religion makes no sense when tested by logical reasoning, they fall flat. Islam will even be first to scatter, a religion that has no history of its own.

Finally I leave u with this verse.....

For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.
heb 4.12
That word of God remain an active force till today and until eternity. We not joking here.

AntiChristian:
Our Scholars are not cursed nor deceptive! The deceptive ones are the Clerics who prophesy lies and ascribe them to holy spirit! Peter Obi will win the elections!

This has been answered previously! Jesus son of Maryam will come back again! He will defeat the antichrist (Dajjal), destroy the pigs and deny Christianity while ruling with Islam! He will get married and live till he finally dies and is buried as a Muslim!


Muhammad has died! Jesus didn't die! He will come back to complete his life and then die!

Muhammad is in the grave alive in the life of the afterlife!

Yes, Jesus is in heaven body and soul as he never died! Allah willed it as such and Jesus will descend as one of the signs of the end of time to complete his destiny and die!

Because my salvation is not dependent on miracles!

Jesus was in the womb for months so he can't be God!
Jesus was given birth to just like most other babies through the vaginal canal!
Jesus was protected by his parents even while the evil king wanted to hurt him! Humans dey protect God?
Jesus was called insane by his family in the Bible! Did they call God insane?
Jesus said in John 5:30 that he can of his ownself do nothing! So everything he does came from God Almighty!

We follow the God of Jesus, Allah, the Lord and Cherisher of the universe!
‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’” John 20:17
Jesus get God?

U and I know Jesus is not coming back anything to live as a human. Una go wait tire, he won't return.
The ahmadiyah founder already claimed he was the returned Messiah. So which Messiah are u waiting for again?.
It makes no logical sense for someone who's dead to be greater than someone alive in heaven with God.
Your prophet is meant to be the greatest of all mankind yet in same Qur'an it clearly shows Jesus possess greater attributes than Muhammed. U guys can't just grasp the uniqueness of Jesus in your own Koran that Muhammed lacks.

Jesus conception was divine. He was born of a virgin. He talked as a baby.
Jesus created living things out of nothing just like your Allah, that means he's a creator. He was called the word of God- one of 99 attributes of Allah.
Jesus was sinless throughout his lifetime, even Muhammed couldn't beat that. And finally he didn't taste death.

The question u Muslims should be asking is why should Allah go through all those trouble for just one prophet.
What's so special about prophet Jesus that God endowed his with such amazing qualities including being a creator, such qualities not seen in Muhammed.
The answer is in the bible.

Finally, let me ask u a question about Jesus being God.
When the wise men came to worship Jesus. Were they worshipping that little baby in the cradle or the the spirit in the baby?

Lukuluku69:
Of cos Allah does what He wills. And according to the Last Testament the Quran, morphing into a man is not one of them. He wills that man live a Righteous Life, so he sends Messengers upon Messengers for Man to redirect from his erring ways.

God doesn't have to be a Man to correct Man's way if that is true, then He will need to become an Angel to correct Angels ways, become a Jinn or if you like a Spirit, like the ones you people bind in your Churches to mend them. He will need to become a Monkey to mend Monkeys and so on. It is not hypocrisy as you alleged. It is right thinking which people who says God became a man to redeem man lacks.

Jesus said " Hear O Israel the Lord our God is One" did he include himself in the counting ? What of the Holy Spirit? Was it included? Yet you lots says God is Three! Was Jesus wrong or Paul the proponent right?

The story of the Fig Tree was alluded to to score a point about Curses and Oaths. You could say it is not necessary but to say it is a Forgery shows you lack the right words to use in getting your point across and that it is typical of most Evangelists. Dem too dey over cook everything. Exaggeration ti poju

Forgery...
the act of falsely making, altering, or imitate with intent to defraud or deceive.

Creating a whole new story to alter the meaning of a textual text is forgery. Journalist go to jail for this. That's what u did with the fig tree story- u twisted a text about faith into that of a nation.

The point here is u agreed with Christians that God can do whatever he wills. Allah isn't God, so they dont have the same attribute.

Your Allah is a physical being that occupies space. He has a face, a foot, 2 right hands and a leg.
Yahweh the Almighty God is a spirit, he's invisible and omnipresent.

God can choose to enter his creation and become a man for whatever reason that befits his purpose, just like your Allah can choose to swear by fig tree which sounds ridiculous to us Christians.
To think the only time God became man was to redeem mankind shows u not well versed with bible stories.
Your other points makes no sense. Seriously God becoming monkey to do what?
It's obvious the purpose of man creation in the Qur'an is another confused theory that will fall flat when tested.
In the bible, man is created in the image of God. That means we are a spirit just like Almighty God making us gods. Man is a special being not just some other creation.

@Lukuluku69. Your opinion about ahmadiyah is just your own opinion. U are simply living in denial or desperately trying to win point.

Most sunni Muslims and Islamic scholars reject ahmadiyah as true muslims. That's why they demolish their mosques and spread rumors about their leader.

Ask your fellow Muslims even here on nairaland if someone who believes in the death of jesus and Muhammad not the last and final prophet is a Muslim.
That's heretic or shirk in Islam. With those 2 believes u already left islam. I repeat, u are in denial.

Don't even get me started on the Qur'anists, those are even ridiculous.

Lukuluku69:
Lol

I don't care to wash any video. Whatever anyone says, they are not The Prophet. Ahmadis believe in the Prophet hood of Prophet Muhammad, yes they erred with Gulam Ahmad who claimed to be a prophet too. The Prophet never said they are not Muslims, they are erring Muslims just like we have erring Christians Jesus will deny.

Do you want me to show you from the Bible that the events at Golgotha that fateful day was full of Conjectures? And that the people involved do have doubts?

Do you?

and for boasting, “We killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of Allah.” But they neither killed nor crucified him—it was only made to appear so. Even those who argue for this ˹crucifixion˺ are in doubt. They have no knowledge whatsoever—only making assumptions. They certainly did not kill him.

Ask 3 different muslims the circumstances surrounding the crucifixion of Jesus, u will get 7 different answers. That shows the level of confusion. Odikwa serious.

But muslims are not supposed to be confused about the crucifixion of Jesus according to the Qur'an.

Lukuluku69, leave the crucifixion story in the bible alone b4 u start another imaginative fabu in your head.
Focus on the Quranic verse, it says Christians and jews will be confused about the crucifixion story. Is that true? Have u met any group of Christians who argued the crucifixion story like u guys do.

This verse proves only one thing. The Qur'an is a fabricated rendition of your Muhammed. He heard nothing from God.
Defend your Qur'an. Why are Muslims confused about the crucifixion of Jesus.
Prove us wrong, tell us exactly what happened that day and confirm if he's coming back using the Qur'an.

Lukuluku69:
Read my post slowly. Don't be like a soldier who joined battle with his scabbard while leaving the sword behind.

The Ahmadis are in error. They will be punished for such error. How? That is left for Allah to decide not me.

Gulam Ahmad started the movement in his hometown Qaidan, present day Pakistan. Of cos it is a major doctrinal issue but show me one Ahmadi who does not believe in the Propherhood of Prophet Muhammad, who does not Fast, reckon Allah as The Creator and have a separate Book other than the Quran. Show me one. They are saying in ADDITION TO what the Prophet brought Gulam Ahmad brought some more, ask them to show you, they still point to the Quran.

So, like you claimed Unitarians are in delusions, I am saying Ahmadis are in error.

Capiche?

I think the way u going, u will eventually form your Islamic sect.
Because your fellow Sunni Muslims disagree with u that ahmadiyah are Muslims.
Watch the video below, it's a debate btw an ahmadiyah and sunni Muslim with occasional interjection from a Christian.
U can skip to 3.20 time duration.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrKlQajX1uQ

Now the funny thing is these 2 Muslims couldn't agree to what happened to Jesus on the cross. None of them could say with certainty what happened to Jesus on that day.
This is very much in contradiction to the reference verse in the Qur'an.

and for boasting, “We killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of Allah.” But they neither killed nor crucified him—it was only made to appear so.1 Even those who argue for this ˹crucifixion˺ are in doubt. They have no knowledge whatsoever—only making assumptions. They certainly did not kill him.

Now the Qur'an said the Jews and the Christians will be confused about what happened to Jesus on the cross, that we will be in pursuit of mere conjecture and making assumptions. But the Muslims will definitely be certain of what happened.

Ironically, it's the Muslims who are confused about the crucifixion of Jesus, they are the ones making assumptions which simply means they don't know.

We Christians are certain of jesus crucifixion, the Jews are definitely not bothered. It's the Muslims that can't come up with a reasonable answer. Ask 3 Muslims to clarify the circumstances surrounding the crucifixion of Jesus, u will get 5 different answers, that shows the degree of confusion


This proves one thing, the Qur'anic verse 4.157 is wrong and the Quran didn't clarify if Jesus went to heaven or if he's coming back. That's why lukuluku69 has been avoiding the question from TenQ and advocatejare.

Now lukuluku69, what I did here is proper exegesis, as u can see, I never left the verse to create another story throughout my explanation unlike the 'fabu' u dashing us about the fig tree story.

Finally, lukuluku69 redeem the image of Islam. Those 2 guys did a bad job and they poorly represented Islam. The sunni guy told the ahmadiyah that he has left the faith because he said Jesus is dead and not coming back.
Prove to us that u definitely know what happened to Jesus on that day of his crucifixion using the Qur'an.

Lukuluku69:
Allah swears by anything He Fills like. He does what He Wills.

Any other thing?

Of cos it makes sense. Go to that Chapter where Allah call the Fig Tree to witness and understand it. You have the Quran don't you?

And Jesus CURSED IT because it symbolizes Israel. Israel Rejected him remember? They still do till date, they call him names, same for his Mother, called him a Liar, said he was a mad fellow, a Magician. As such he Cursed them symbolically. And till date, it stood. No single Prophet from that Nation of Reprobates. And that Kingdom of God ( typifies by Prophethood) was taken away and given to the Arabs. That is why they wanted him dead and not your fancy wishy washy growing in the telling lies foisted upon you lots by Paul

So a Muslim can actually say 'Allah can do whatever he wills'.
But when Christians say God can choose to enter his creation and become a man as evidenced in both old and new testament, Muslims starts shouting bible is corrupt, that it's impossible for God to be a man.
If this is not hypocrisy and cherry picking...I don't know what to call it.

I really dont know how tasfir work in the Quran but exegesis from the bible has to be relevant to the textual content without deviating from the historical context.
Otherwise, anybody can pick a bible verse and twist it to suit his selfish narrative.
What u ve done with the story of the fig tree is to create a whole new different story that's not relevant in anyway to the text. This is nothing but forgery.

Lukuluku69:
You can't find it ke? You must find it o! So, do some readings...

As for swearing, you call it swearing but if you look at the Quranic Language, it is I call to Witness...... The Stars, the Moon etc. And Allah is the Almighty he disdain not to do what he wishes nor use anything to pass a message across.

And the Fig Tree represents Israel too. It is not mundane thing. Read the Bible. That is the symbolic meaning of Jesus CURSING That Fig Tree when it couldn't hear FRUITS. Jesus CURSED Israel! After him, NO MORE FRUITS (Prophets ) till the end of Time and that Fruits will be given to ANOTHER NATION. But the Canal Greeks that redacted the Jesus story thought he was Hungry

Can u show me where in that bible story is reference made to another nation. Because I fail to see how a story about faith has become prophets in new nation.

Lukuluku69:
Then go back and learn what Islam means.

Those Shias and Ahamadis , what is the name of the God they worship? How many God(s) do they know? How many Times do they pray daily? What is the position of Prophet Muhammad amongst them? When they Fast collectively in which .months do they do it? What is their position on Zakats? Hajj?

Of cos there are minor differences in their beliefs but can you compare those differences with Unitarian Christians and the Trinity believing ones? The JW believe Jesus is also Angel Michael, the Catholics have Graven Images strewn all over the place of worship etc

So, who is more confused here?

So ahmadiyah Muslims that claim Muhammed is not the last prophet are true Muslims?
Is that not a core tenet of Islamic faith- didn't Muhammed himself said he's the final prophet.

Who's Mirza Gulam Ahmad? so u think it's a minor islamic doctrinal difference for prophets to come after Muhammed.

Believe in Jesus as son of God is trinity. So Unitarian Christians are only in delusion. The Jews said Jesus commited blasphemy by saying he's the son of God and had him killed. that should tell u something about that phrase.

beautyhd:
I have tried to understand her reasons for embarking on such below the par performance after the superb one Hilda graced our eyes with.

Peradventure, GWR decides to review her cooking, only God knows the number of hours they will leave her with.

Girl was practically sleeping when we slept and the time was reading as well.

Congratulations to her for the fame she has achieved

U mean she didn't pause the clock when she went to sleep.

OloYeOfEgbE:
Mumu girl..and a copy cat. Ignorant people say you will win. WIN WHAT..they haven't explained

I REPEAT INDIANS COULD BREAK THAT RECORD THAT AN INDIAN WAS HOLDING. GUESS WHAT THEY DIDNT BECAUSE THE RECORD WAS IN INDIA.

THIS LEAN THING DIDNT EVEN ALLOW THE BACI GIRL COLLECT HER LAURELS ATLEAST FIRST FIRST..SHE COULDNT DO LONGEST BAKING OR FRYING..SHE JUST WANT EXPOSE PEPPER GANG LAS LAS

OLYMPICS NA COUNTRY DOINGS NOT STATES INSIDE A COUNTRY..NA SO WORLD CUP BE.

No need insulting her, just make your point without body shaming.
Besides she broke all the rules of the record so she achieved nothing. Only her fans are hyping her.

Janosky:
The prophets were God's Spokesman,now God speaks through his Son says Hebrews 1:1-2.
Oga , Stop adding your own thoughts to the holy scriptures.

According to Hebrews 1:1-2,In the past, the prophets were the Word of God, do you understand that?

1 Thessalonians 2:13, Jeremiah 23:29 & Hebrews 4:12, the entire instructions and injunctions in the holy writ (from Genesis to Revelation) is NOT Jesus Christ the word (a title).

Revelation 19:9 "These are true words that come from God.” (from Genesis to Revelation)

. 13 He wore a robe dipped in blood, and his title was the Word of God.
Oga, understand the difference between the statement of Revelation 19:9 & Revelation 19:13.

It's obvious where your problem is coming from. So I can't blame u. It's even a waste of time telling u to attend bible classes because same church will only confuse u the more.

On Hebrew 1, u stopped at verse 2, what happened to verse 3. U staring the truth at the face and u shouting someone else is adding to the scripture. They really did u strong thing in that Jehovah witness.

On the word of God. Show me someone else among the prophet who was called word of God in the bible.

I won't reply to your response because I don't normally debate other Christian heretic faith except if they abandon the core doctrine of Christ.

Tell me Jesus is not the son of God, and we will have a debate.

Otherwise, u not the reason I came to this thread. Let those I challenged come forward.

@Janosky. I can see u are Jehovah witness. Well I don't really argue with fellow Christians with different doctrines.
So long as u are a Christian and u follow the core doctrinal evidence of Jesus, I won't begrudge u all other heretical beliefs.
So long as u accept Jesus as the Son of God as clearly stated in the bible. Luke 1.35 and he's the saviour of the world thru repentance via his innocent blood; then that's fine.
Otherwise, I'm afraid u have left the faith or not in it at all.

Janosky:
John 5:37, 43 & John 4:24
Did Jesus Christ agree with you that the God became man?

Not at all.

John 10.30-33, John 8.58

So can u answer my question, when was the first time God became man.



Oga,Your personal claim is not holy scriptures.

1 Thessalonians 2:13, Hebrews 4:12 & John 17:17 & Jeremiah 23:29 the word of God is the holy writ from Genesis to Revelation.

When John calls Jesus "the Word", John is not saying that Jesus is the holy writ.

Rather, John is teaching us that Jesus is the Spokesman representing God,his Father- Hebrews 1:1-2 & John 5:43 & John 15:15 & John 7:16.

Please Sir, get this point understood with clarity.

U need to do some reading on bible exegesis if u want to be sound in christian doctrine and effectively defend your argument.
what is Logos, what is rhema. What do u know about the living Logos, spoken logos, eternal Logos and written Logos.
I dont know if u are a atheist, Muslim, agnostic or Jew. But if u are a Christian, u need to attend more bible study classes. u really need it.

Even the verses u quoted supports my assertion, the word of God is an active force, its alive.
And we also thank God continually because, when you received the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as a human word, but as it actually is, the word of God, which is indeed at work in you who believe[/i] Thel 2.13

[i]For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. heb 4.12

Jesus is not just the spokesman of God, do u actually read the verses u quoted. This is from Hebrew 1 u quoted.
In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. 3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word

What does the highlighted mean to u?

Finally tell me the name of that man John wrote about in Rev 19. 11-16 and who is he?

Janosky:
No,Sir.
1st point:
Is Jesus authority superior over Thomas?
Yes.
Therefore, John 20:17,the Master's voice supercedes his disciples exclamation @ John 20:28.


2nd point..
Is exclamation "oh my God!" A reference to God Almighty?
Never.
John 20:28 does NOT reference God Almighty.

Oga, did you see the John 20:28 exclamation in the screenshot?
Yes , indeed.

I agree with u the authority of JESUS supercede Thomas. Jesus is the TRUTH.
That's why Jesus would have stopped Thomas from calling him God if he wasn't God. But he accepted the Title because he's truly Lord and God.
When Cornelius worshiped Peter, He stopped Cornelius, making it clear only God should be worshipped, and that he Peter is just a mere man. Act 10: 25-26.
Jesus received worship all through his life right from birth to his resurrection. Mat 2.11, Mat14.33, Mat 28.9
He never stopped anyone from doing so because he knows only God should be worshipped (Exodus 20.1-4, Deut 6.13) and he's God.
On the contrary John worshipped an angel and the angel told him its wrong to worship him. Rev 19.9-10

Your 2nd point doesnt make sense.
Is 'oh my God' an exclamation mark in ancient hebrew language, is it an acceptable norm in ancient Jewish culture to say 'Oh my God' when they are surprised.
Did anyone in the bible ever used such phrase as a surprise or amazement.

Jewish religion strongly prohibits people calling the name of God in vain or carelessly, for u to do so is breaking the 3rd commandment, Ex 20.7.
Even Jesus condemned such practice. Mat 5.34.

What u doing is simply reverse interpolation of language etymology from modern usage to ancient ones.

Besides your so called exclamation mark ! in John 20.28 isnt present in ancient manuscripts, the koine greek or Latin texts.
Its not even in original KJV. Its a modern usage in recent translations.
check your own picture`of verses u pasted as evidence.

Janosky:
John 20:17,Oga delete Jesus Christ statement from your Bible.
John 20:17 doesn't make sense to you.

Verse 28 of same chapter answers your query.
Explain John 20.28.

Let's go to point 1 of your questions.
When was the first time God became man in the bible?

The bible only becomes the true word of God when Jesus is God.

Without Jesus being God, the bible is just an historical text.

Maynmann:
Before christianity was created from Chrestianity, there were already “Bishops”.
Do you know what “church” or “gospel” means before it was used by chrestians

Ok I've heard u. But who were those bishops in Rome in the first century. That's my question.
Tell me the name of the first bishops in Rome.

Maynmann:
if not for brainwashing, You will know you are the one with the semantics, the indoctrination has run deep inside you, that you will deny the etymology of words and stick to what your doctrine told you.
is "spirit" a english word or christian word?
when your iesus was alive, what language will he speak, what is "spirit" in that language?

Iesus is a common latin name, spirit means breathe, your Iesus chrestus doesn’t exist outside New Testament creates by chrestians.

Keep forming your own new definition of words to continue basking in your delusions.

Maynmann:

a cockroach has a “spirit” the same way a yahweh worshipper does, you hear yahweh worshipper

Maynman Maynman I can see u having a nice time with your selective conspiracy whack theories.
I will let u be, it's not fair for someone to be receiving heavy blows all the time esp from one person. That becomes bully.
But can u tell me the first bishops in Rome. This is not a debate but to know if u have appropriate insight into what u babbling about.