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Haines:
THE MOST GREATEST CONFUSION WHICH IS GREATER THAN ALL CONFUSIONS ARE :

1. To say Jesus is God , and then find out it in the Bible that he is a man(John 8:40).

2. To say Jesus is God , and then find out it in the Bible that he is son of God(John 3:16).

3. To say Jesus is God, and then to believe that Jesus die (Roman 10:9).

4. To say Jesus is God , and then find out in the Bible that he Jesus is worshipping God(Luke 6:12)

5. To say Jesus is God , and then to find out in the Bible where it's said Jesus is a servant of God (Act 3:13).

6. To say Jesus is sinless, and then to find out that he got baptism by John.

7. To say Jesus is the only way , and then to find out that Moses way is also a way.

8. To say Jesus was sent unto all , and then to find out that he was sent unto the Israelites (Matthew 15:24).

9. To say Jesus is God ,and then to find out that Jesus was circumcised by the Angel(Luke 2:22).

10. To say Jesus know everything ,and then to find out that he doesn't know the when the judgement day will stand (Mark 13:31).

e.t.c.
This is a confusion which beyond human recognition.

1Corinthians 14:33 it's said"God is not the author confusion.

But today I can see uncountable confusion within Christians dogma.

May God Grant them with a knowledge of understanding so that they can easily archive the Kingdom.

Amen 🤲

I can take u on each of your point and defeat it easily. If u ready, reply me.
The bible only makes sense when Jesus is God.
Bible without Jesus is just a history book.

To your point 1. When was the first time in the bible God became man. Definitely not Jesus.

PoliteActivist:
My friend point is Lord Jesus was never called any of those names so technically they are not his names. But we know who we are talking about - that's what counts.

So regale us: why were the Romans persecuting "Chrestians". And Paul's letter to the church in Rome, was it written to Chrestians? And Paul himself, was he a "Chrestian"?

I agree with u atheism is now a religion for them. Becos I dont understand how they stick to ignorance when u destroyed their claim with irrefutable evidence.
I understand if Muslims stick to ignorance despite truth staring them in the face. If they accept the truth, Islam dies.
But for atheist, I don't get it.
This maynman disturbing u with chrestian theory, I remember bruising her really bad she almost cried with the nonsense chrestian claim.

Now she has had started with Rome theory.
Ask her the who was the first bishop of Rome and check how her response will rubbish her claim.

PoliteActivist:
Ok, what is Lalasticlala in Yoruba.
What is Emeka in Hausa
What is Tinubu in Igbo
What is Shehu in Itshekiri

Let's hear it

Stop wasting your time on this clueless atheist, trust me it's waste of time. Nairaland atheist are mostly intellectually deficient, u will gain less by engaging with them.
They make bogus claim they can't defend or produce evidence for.
One came here and claimed Isaac Newton was an atheist. When I disproved it and showed he was actually a Christian, he turned around and said he was a secret atheist bit couldn't prove it.
Some will start arguing the bible they know nothing about.
They just like throwing around big big meaningless arguments that lacks substance.

Yoighaman:
Bro, take it easy nau, haba, $1M per annum for a Doctor in the US? The highest paid are Neurosurgeons with decades of experience and on the average, they don't even earn that much. Dey soft pedal nah, haba.

It's like u dont know what doctors earn in private practice in USA.
Ordinary post resident consultant cardiologist earn 300 thousand dollars.
What doctor in Saudi earn that amount.

MatrixReloaded:
Saudi is a great country if you are a doctor. Besides they are rich

U want to compare usa and Saudi for medical doctor. Can a doctor in Saudi earn 1million dollars a year.

honesttalk21 actually took up the challenge to defend embryology in Islam despite not in the medical profession. Kudos to him.
He sounded sincere but like all Muslims when faced with the hard truth, they shrink or hide under the phrase 'Qur'an is always right even if proven wrong'.
honesttalk21 did both, what a big shame. Seems Muslims are not ready to face the truth about their Koran and their prophet.

I repeat all embryology statements in the Koran were plagiarised by Muhammad from previous works done by ancient physicians. None were novel to the Qur'an. Ancient physicians up to the 17 th century, believed the spinal cord is involved in semen production.

Muhammad didn't hear from God, Qur'an isn't the word of God, but disjointed work of muhammed's disorganized thought process.

lhordspy:
Biden just declared they will continue to sponsor the war till eternity. This is the same man that had to raise US debt ceiling of over 34trillion dollars, few days back.

Americans deserve better. Their politicians are setting their tax money on fire, deliberately.

I thought u support biden.
Will I now support Trump who will definitely end the war.

Vinnie2000:
Tinubu Just dey Smart like Monkey inside Forest! 😕

When the Backers of this Emefiele man, will Deal with him ehn., He will so Regret it.

He thinks this is Fashola and Ambode lagos politics.

Deal with the president....u must be joking. The president will swallow anybody and nothing will happen. The best they can do is wait till 2027 to push him out. Any thing apart from that is a call for anarchy.

SpecialAdviser:
The Church should not expect to achieve anything from writing letters. You are writing to another Muslim. Nonesense

The church should rather get itself rid of excessive lust after money. That is exactly what is killing it.

The problem here is not the Muslims. The problem is that Christians are the daftest people I have ever seen. No thanks to all these latest Christian pastors who teach their faithfuls that life is all about making money. While his members attend churches to get richer, he exploit their mentality to demand 10% tithe from them.

How can a religion with 50% population that has been crying over Islamization go to the poll with one Christian vs three Muslims and come back losing? Lol. And they presented the best candidate. I know many Christians may not read into the implications of that. Even as they rigged, majority of Christians were in the forefront of that rigging. Two reasons, MONEY and PERSONAL INTEREST.


Many Christians are so lustfully attached to money that they have failed to defend their faith. Even Jesus is embarrassed by their acts. They end up making social media noise. Lol. Reminds me of how Christianity was phased out in Turkey. We do not have real Christians. We only have people bearing Christian names. I trust Muslims to show Christians pepper in any Christian vs Muslim presidential election any time any day going forward. Muslims are more principled when it comes to their religion. My fellow Christians, it's a big SHAME

While u made some valid point, the truth remain the last presidential election was far more into tribal politics and personal interest than anything to do with religion.
The 2 strongest Christian states in southwest voted Tinubu. Rivers was rigged for Tinubu by a Christian governor. Benue state, a predominant Christian state voted Tinubu.
Most people just wanted power to return to the south, they dont care the religion. Tinubu is not considered an islamic fanatic thus the hate preaching coming from the pulpit didn't resonate with most southerners when it comes to Tinubu.

El rufai is just riding on favourable results to whip up religious sentiment. Nigerian politics is way deeper and complex than u think.

advocatejare:
Lukuluku69 that can’t show his belief about the coming back of Jesus Christ in the Quran

As for drlateef, is a liar and a quack who lied that there is no poison that kills slowly he also lied that a grunting baby was mentioning Allah

https://www.nairaland.com/6980884/newborn-baby-says-allah-instead#110138230

Drlateef also lied that Muhammad was given signs when the Quran said that he was not, can you now see that lateef doesn’t know anything about Islam?

IL- LegalWolf is a dullard, he doesn’t know anything

Lukuluku69 is more obsessed with finding Muhammad in the bible than studying his own Qur'an. Ask him any question on the Qur'an, he will quickly tell u he's not an islamic scholar but an expert on bible exegesis with specialty in finding Muhammad in the bible.

As for drlateef, that guy will throw his intellect out of the window once the Qur'an is involved.
Imagine a doctor seeing the video of a baby grunting and he interpreted it as baby saying Allah...I ponder his kind of doctor.
That's how he was caught trying to force embryology into the Koran, when challenged he got stuck and quickly bolted.

honesttalk21:
Embryonic folding during the fourth week of development marks the beginning of the urinary tract with the formation of a longitudinal mass known as the urogenital ridge. The ridge can divide into parts depending on the system it forms; the nephrogenic cord will form the urinary tract while the gonadal ridge will develop into the reproductive system.

Muhammad is not the author of the Quran. He relayed the revelation period.

Allah has revealed the most beautiful message, a Book consistent in its verses yet [b]repeating its teachings in different ways. [/b]Those who fear their Lord are filled with awe when they hear it, their skins and their hearts become pliant to the remembrance of Allah. Such is the guidance of Allah: He guides with it whom He pleases. But he to whom He confounds shall have none to guide him." ( Al Quran# 39:23, Translation- M. Farook Malik).

What u brought forward is too simplistic for the detailed embryology we discussing here. Which part of the vertebrae is related to the urogenital ridge?
The nephrogenic cord isn't just one single unit, it has 3 different ducts. Which one gives rise to the the adult and embryogenic kidney? Which one is related to the gonad?
U guys are the ones pushing embryology into Qur'an so u must be ready to go into detail.

I dont understand how the Quranic verse has anything to do with what's being discussed here.

A book filled with plagiarism from all sorts cannot be called beautiful.
I repeat none of Muhammad's fetal formation statements were his own original works. He simply repeated common knowledge of his time.

AntiChristian:
You can believe whatever suites you!
In Christianity there are Unitarian (One God) and Trinitarian (Three in One God) Christians!

There are Denominational differences too like JW, Celestial Church, C & S, Catholics and others!

You can decide who is Christian based on your own Biblical conviction or research (Holy Spirit).

I subscribe to the Islamic texts of the Qur'an and Sunnah! And I don't differentiate between an authentic Hadith and the Qur'an

Can u pls mention these authentic hadiths u believe so that we can expose your yansh.

So those Muslims who believe Jesus is not coming back, are they following Islam or not. That's my question.

AntiChristian:
The beliefs of a Muslim towards ‘Eesa ibn Maryam (Jesus the son of Mary – peace be upon him) are derived from the Qur'an and Sunnah!

1. Muslims do believe in ‘Eesa as a Prophet, a messenger and a noble slave of Allah sent to the children of Israel to call them to believe in Allah alone and to worship Him alone.

2. ‘Eesa was never a god or the son of God as the Christians claim.

3. We believe that Allaah supported him with miracles that proved he was speaking the truth. Many Prophets before him did miracles. The miracles includes ‘Eesa speaking while he was still in the cradle, breathing in to a clay bird making it turn to a live bird, healing the blind & lepers, quickening the dead, etc. All this happens solely with the permission of Allah.

4. We believe ‘Eesa has no father and his mother Maryam was a virgin. This is similar to Adam who has no father or Mother and Hawa (Eve) who has no mother but was created from Adam (peace be upon them both).

5. We believe that he permitted to the Jews some of the things that had been forbidden to them.

6. We believe that he did not die and his enemies the Jews did not kill him, rather Allaah saved him from them and raised him up to heaven alive.

7. We believe that he told his followers of the coming of our Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

8. We believe that he will come back down at the end of time, and will disprove the claim of his enemies the Jews that they killed him, and will disprove the claim of the Christians that he is God or the son of God, and he will not accept anything from them but Islam.

9. Then he will die and the Muslims will offer the funeral prayer for him and bury him.

These are the beliefs of a Muslim towards ‘Eesa ibn Maryam (peace be upon him) as founded in the Books of Islam.

The concept of Eesa coming back in not in the Qur'an but the hadith. That's why it's not universally accepted by Muslims.
Some Muslim sects believed Jesus survived the crucifixion but eventually died in far away India and he's not coming back.

So above is the believe of a sect in Islam, don't talk for others.

honesttalk21:
Where do the ribs attach to?
The rib cage, in vertebrate anatomy, basketlike skeletal structure that forms the chest, or thorax, and is made up of the ribs and their corresponding attachments to the sternum (breastbone) and the vertebral column.


According to Keith L. Moore, the testes develop in the extraperitoneal connective tissue in the superior lumbar region of the posterior abdominal wall. As the scrotum and labia majora form in males and females respectively, the gubernaculum aids in the descent of the gonads (both testes and ovaries).

Interestingly, the position of testes before descending is same as of kidney and more interestingly kidney is between backbone and ribs.

The testes arise from the mesonephric duct which is located in the lumbar region b4 it's descent.
The fetal kidney was formed in the pelvic region b4 it's ascent to its present position.
It is incorrect to assume the position of the embryonic gonads from the position of the adult kidneys, as the embryonic positions of gonads and kidneys are not the same as their adult positions.
This was the same error drlateef made and got stuck because he couldn't defend the embryology of the theory he was pushing. The gonad and kidney didn't develop in same position in fetal life.

Gonads descend, while kidneys enlarge and ascend. Also, the developing gonads are ventro-medial to the mesonephros (i.e. the embryonic kidney) and not the metanephros that later become adult kidney.

The idea that the gonads emerge from present adult kidney is inaccurate because in the condition of cryptorchidism where the testes is undescended, the highest position of the undescended testes is below the kidney at L3.

Read my other post which invalidate this claim even if it's correct.

Lukuluku69:
That Nasara is really a funny guy. He "sees" Confusion in this but not in the Thousand and one major Schism in his own Faith. Detailing such major differences will require at least a Thousand Thesis. The guy is only using an Elementary form of Reverse Psychology.

I only see Confusion amongst Muslims the day I see or hear any Muslim openly against the Pillars of the Faith and not misinterpretations of an otherwise plain Text.

Adejare @Advocatejare until you bring Muslims who don't believe in Allah and the Prophethood of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him), Muslims who dispute about Sollat (having in its place clapping/dancing etc) who observe Ramadan outside the Months stipulated or who regard Zakat as old fashion and never look forward to going for Hajj, then I will agree with you that there is Confusion in our midst, until then, keep roaming, keep digging perhaps you will see the Light....

So are u saying Shia and ahmadiyah Muslims follow true Islam.

honesttalk21:
Dr Zakir Naik stated that medical studies have shown the development of gonads at embryonic state as stated above.

May we grow in useful and beneficial understanding

The kidney-gonad lumbar region theory was proposed by Dr zakir Naik to explain the problematic Qur'anic verse but the idea isn't new. It was first proposed by Hippocrates more than 1000 years b4 Muhammed.

The Greek physician Hippocrates theorized this wrong idea long before Muhammad that sperm passed through the kidneys into the penis. For centuries this was an accepted (and incorrect) belief of the origins of sperm.
According to Hippocrates, this semen is the product of the whole body, though it is the brain which mostly contributes to its formation. At the moment of sexual intercourse, the humidity in the body becomes like effervescent foam, the semen is carried through the veins to the spinal cord and the kidneys, whence it makes its way to the testicles en route to the genital organ.
Joseph Bajada "Sexual Impotence: The Contribution of Paolo Zacchia, 1582-1659", Rome: Editrice Pontifica Universita Gregoriana, 1988, pp. 44-45


Finally, even if we are to accept the gonad-lumbar theory, it still won't fit into the Quranic verse because sperm cells do not originate from the lumbar area.
The original position of the early sperm cells are not related to the kidneys but the wall of the yolk sac which eventually form part of the intestine.

honesttalk21:
Dr Zakir Naik stated that medical studies have shown the development of gonads at embryonic state as stated above.

May we grow in useful and beneficial understanding

Dr zakir naik is a controversial Islamic apologist.
He's known for his erroneous pseudoscience theory and fact denials.
Zakir Naik's preaching has been banned in India, Bangladesh, Canada, the UK, and Malaysia under anti-terrorism and anti-hate laws. He will be last person I will take serious.

Besides all embryology statements in the Qur'an are not Muhammad's original works. They were ancient theories of fetal formation postulated by likes of Aristotle, Galen, knowledge of aryurveda medicine in India.

All these knowledge precede the Qur'an. Muhammed simply copied them into the Koran.
Check the book of Galen- Greek physician 129-216 AD, On the formation of the fetus, u will realise Muhammed is a nothing but a plagiarist.

For example, ancient physicians already noticed paralysed men have big problem with erection and ejaculation. They know the paralysis have to do with backbone problem, thus they assumed the backbone is connected with semen production.
That's the erroneous theory Muhammed lifted and inserted into the Qur'an.

honesttalk21:
Fluid not semen coming from the thoracic cavity as you state leads back to origins however your adequate schooling me in embryology is welcome though of limited benefit as I didn't go anywhere in medical learning.

Gonads, the organ that produces gametes, of male and female gender arise in the upper lumbar region during embryonic development.
The development of reproductive organs begins at an early stage in the embryo.

During embryonic and fetal life both the testes and the ovaries descend from their original position in the thorax to a much lower level.

The gonads originate from the upper lumbar region where the human kidney is located, not the thoracic region.
Since we going into science, then we have to be specific.
Your prophet clearly states the fluid originates from in between the ribs and backbone. There's no rib from the lumbar region, so your prophet is wrong.

FRANCISTOWN:
I think you have comprehension issues. I've been trying as much as possible not to insult you.

Please just avoid me, if you can't relate like someone who has at least a fish brain.
When did I tell you I believe in Mohammed, are you blind or you broke your reading glasses?

Why do you keep forcing yourself to display irresponsible acts on a public forum like this now?
Isn't this disgusting? A grown ass man.
Won't your kids be ashamed of you if they saw this post now?

Ha! How did "I like someone because he's courageous" turn to "He is my role model?"
I like Tupac Amaru Shakur, is it tantamount to "2Pac is my role model"? I'm not even into rap.

It's either you have comprehension issues or you simply don't understand English language.

@the emboldened, when did I ever mention it on this thread that I believe Mohammed?
I like Mohammed because he was a skilled fighter and politician, I like Buddha because he was extremely intelligent, I like Gandhi because he was good at leading people,I like Sir. Albert Einstein, Sir. Isaac Newton, Stephen Hawkings, I like Elon Musk because he is rich and intelligent. Now did that mean I believe in any of them or I want to be like them?

Seriously? Really? Indeed one needs a level of brain emptiness to be a theist, especially a christian. You guys are the dumbest in this life with your fake imaginary useless god

https://www.nairaland.com/7718017/nigerian-student-arrested-uk-dating
Paedophile lover, If u dont repent of your evil ways....this is u in coming years.
He was propably like u...having Muhammed as his hero. see where it landed him.

KnownUnknown:
You know Moses was Muhammed’s role model.

pls If u not a muslim I dont want to discuss Muhammed with u.
To non muslims, my stand is Muhammed is a fictional character...unless u can provide non Islamic historical evidence of his existence.

FRANCISTOWN:
I think you have comprehension issues. I've been trying as much as possible not to insult you.

Please just avoid me, if you can't relate like someone who has at least a fish brain.
When did I tell you I believe in Mohammed, are you blind or you broke your reading glasses?

Why do you keep forcing yourself to display irresponsible acts on a public forum like this now?
Isn't this disgusting? A grown ass man.
Won't your kids be ashamed of you if they saw this post now?

Ha! How did "I like someone because he's courageous" turn to "He is my role model?"
I like Tupac Amaru Shakur, is it tantamount to "2Pac is my role model"? I'm not even into rap.

It's either you have comprehension issues or you simply don't understand English language.

@the emboldened, when did I ever mention it on this thread that I believe Mohammed?
I like Mohammed because he was a skilled fighter and politician, I like Buddha because he was extremely intelligent, I like Gandhi because he was good at leading people,I like Sir. Albert Einstein, Sir. Isaac Newton, Stephen Hawkings, I like Elon Musk because he is rich and intelligent. Now did that mean I believe in any of them or I want to be like them?

Seriously? Really? Indeed one needs a level of brain emptiness to be a theist, especially a christian. You guys are the dumbest in this life with your fake imaginary useless god

Paedophile lover, is Muhammed not your most influential man anymore, why are u now denying him.
abi no be you talk this one...I really don't wanna sound insultive because Mohammed is probably the most influential person to ever walk on this Earth.

I think its your kids that should ashamed of their Dad having a paedophile as a role model to follow.

read sentence in context, don't be mentally lazy...
You believe in Muhammed existence and I also believe the existence of a 14 feet oranmiyan giant. case closed.

Quintopia:
He’s telling you the truth based on experience. Right now japa seems to you to be the best thing.

But in 5 or 10 years time when you’ve been over there for some years and are reasoning your life, you could discover that you would have done much better in Nigeria. Especially if you left a promising career or business back home.

But by then it would be too late to return, as per shame from nothing to show. Happens to so many Naija folks out there.

This talk about shame preventing people from returning is bogus and exist only in the head of people saying it.
In my 7 yrs abroad, I'm yet to see any naija who wants to return but shame is preventing him from doing
so.
People are actually returning, lots of them are coming back to set up business, monitor and invest in Nigeria.
The difference is very few relocates permanently. They come and go, and that's the key factor that people like u dont understand.
Nothing like shame anywhere.

honesttalk21:
loins" refers to the portion of the body below the rib cage and just above the pelvis. This term is frequently used for the segment below the ribs.

Sometimes loin human anatomy is also described as including the groin, genitals, hips, and lower abdomen region.

Maybe for layman, u lump it all together.
Just like leg to common man refers to the whole lower limb.
And arm refers to the whole upper limb.
In medical field, u have to be specific. Which part of the body is called loin- the side of the abdomen, the area btw the lowest rib and the pelvis.

honesttalk21:
https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Human-body-loins-en.svg

Surface anatomy 101
Your testes is in your groin.
Your loin is where your kidney is located.

honesttalk21:
Oh My! Like your note on Joshua 10 and exegesis.

The verse refers to fluid and not sperm, and the fluid comes from between the backbone or loins and the ribs. Even if the Qur’ān were referring to sperm, the sperm is created in the testes which are located between the loins and the ribs.


The verse refers to the baby emerging from the mother’s womb, which is located between the backbone or loins and the ribs.


The verse refers to the man and woman engaged in sexual intercourse, by which the ejaculatory fluid is issued between them during intercourse.

The testes is not located btw the loin and the rib. Where are u getting all this from.

I corrected u that the loin is the side of the abdomen, yet u came here to say the testes is in the loin.

Your testes is in your scrotum, how's that in your loin or ribs. You don't even have to be a medical practitioner to know that, it's common sense.
That's why I said initially I don't want to debate this with u if u not a medical practitioner.

The Joshua 10.12-13 talked about sun standing still for their to be daylight. We Christians don't about re interpreting or forcing science into the verse, we simply say it's language of observation based on limited knowledge of the time

You Muslims should learn to do the same.

honesttalk21:
The coccyx acts as one insertion point for the muscles of the pelvic floor, a group of three muscles called levator ani at the apex, the coccygeus muscle across the anterior (front) surface, and the gluteus maximus in the female reproductive system.

The pelvic cavity in males houses the reproductive organs which include the ductus deferens, seminal vesicles, ejaculatory ducts, and prostate. These organs are all important in the transportation and protection of sperm cells as they move from the testis to eventually reach the penis.

As to your reference to Joshua 10. There are places when there are much longer days or night time. The prayer appears to be one for there to be sufficient lighting to enable victory of the soldiers over their enemies.

So I don't get it. What does pelvic floor muscles has to do with semen production. Did the Koran mention pelvic floor muscles? What is the role of pelvic floor muscles in semen production. If a man has defect in pelvic floor muscles, can he still ejaculate?
What we see here is what we call 'forced association with dubious intent'.
This is what Muhammad said
[i]86:5. "Now let man but think from what he is created! He is created from a drop emitted. Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs."
Now the description above is clearly stating the semen proceeds from the thoracic cavity. Of course, that's nonsense.
So modern Muslims have moved the goalpost in a bid to force anatomy into the Koran.
First it was kidney, then backbone, then coccyx, then pelvic muscle wall and finally the prostate. Gbam, the verse finally makes sense.

Do u know the interesting thing, there's Arabic word for prostate which is known in ancient Arabia because camels also have prostate.
To safe us the stress, why didn't Muhammed just say the semen proceed from the prostate. If he had said that, will there be anyone doubting this statement?

My reference to Joshua 10 was about sun standing still, we Christians understand the exegesis regarding the verse.

Besides can u explain to me why u think the bulbourethral gland is located in the loin.

honesttalk21:
It is important to note that the word for the backbone in the Arabic language includes the tailbone or coccyx.

The coccyx is part of the back bone and the bulbo urethral gland, prostate, seminal vesicles are not in any way related to it.
Check my previous post, I've updated.

honesttalk21:
Interesting you refer me to drlateef instead of stating what exactly the problem is.
Anyway this should broaden your thinking and pardon my responses.

This view is not a scientific error. In fact, around 70% of the ejaculatory fluid that contains sperm comes from the seminal vesicles, which are parallel to the backbone, and around 20% from the prostrate and 5% from the bulbourethral gland which are in the loin area.

https://sapienceinstitute.org/does-the-quran-make-a-mistake-on-where-semen-or-sperm-is-produced/#:~:text=This%20view%20is%20not%20a,are%20in%20the%20loin%20area.

These sort of discussions are often endless and hardly of value.
In response to your question on how all that affects my practice of Islam do pardon my sharing some information seen on the matter. You see the bold indication of COPIED.

The seminar vesicle, the bulbo urethral gland and the prostate are organs located very deep into the pelvis close to the bladder. That are not anywhere located in the backbone area, they are not parallel to the backbone, in fact none of them have any contact with the backbone whatsoever.
The prostate sits directly under the bladder, that's why people who have prostate problem have problem passing urine. The other 2 structures are adjacent to the prostate. They are in not in any way related to the loin or backbone.
The loin is the side of the abdomen also called flanks. That's where the kidney is located.
As I said earlier, it will be unfair to debate this topic with u because I don't think u re a medical professional. For u to write that the bulbourethral gland is located in the loins shows you way out of your depth in this field.

U are very correct that these discussions are needless but that should be directed to your Muslim apologists.They go about bragging that the koran is a scientific book and got the embryology of human fetus accurate. Well, the rest of us don't have a choice than to cross check if indeed Koran has no errors.

U don't see Christians arguing over Joshua 10.12-13. If u bring the verse to any Christian, we will simple explain it as language of observation at that time. Simple. No Christian will go into astronomy or geography with u over the verse.
So long as Muslims continue to make dubious claims from their Qur'an, they should expect intellectual challenge from sound minds.
If Muslims want the debate to end, they know what to do.

FRANCISTOWN:
Many people like David, not considering what he did to Uriah, why? They love something about him that people even name their kids after him.
Does that mean they are also adulterers and murderers?
SENSE


Many also like Solomon, not considering his lack of sexual discipline. They still name their children after him.
Does that mean they also support having 1000 women as sexual partners?
SENSE.

Abraham is considered the father of your faith.
Many people even pray his blessings.
Does that mean they also support the fact that he slept with Hagar and sent her away?
SENSE.

I say this again, that I like Mohammed because he was a skilled man of war, he did what he did very good, an illiterate man who commanded literate men, he was courageous and fearless, a business man and politician.

I've stated the reasons I like him. Whatever you presume is on you. I don't care what you think and how you feel, honestly, that's the least of my bother. As long as your Bible has nothing against those men I've stated up there, you also have nothing against Mohammed.

It's about time people started using their sense

Paedophile lover, u can't hide behind one finger to justify for your fantasy for Muhammed.
Up till today lot of people believed likes of idin Amin and Adolf Hitler's were great men who should be adored as role models. It doesn't matter if they gaslighted millions in gas chambers or were cannibals.
People love and respect their prowess, bravery and ability to control millions.
So uve said nothing. Just like your failure to produce historical evidence of your fantasy man.
You believe on Muhammad, I believe in 14 feet giant Oranmiyan. Case closed.

FRANCISTOWN:
Both Mohammed and Jesus can both hug the dead.

By the way. Didn't Abraham, Isaac, Jacob , Esau all have slaves? So what are you saying?

Mohammed did what dey did best in his time, the same way your YHWH committed genocide out of his stupidity and unquenched jealousy.

Didn't Isrealites part away with the wealth of the Egyptians after killing their first borns?
Didn't Abraham and David take spoils of war?

Didn't Moses do the same to the Canaanites?

What about Joshua?

Lol🤣🤣🤣. I swr, you are just so hypocritical.
I'm not surprised you said Mohammed had sex slaves. Who was Hagar to Abraham?
Hagar was also an Egyptian slave woman but what did Abraham do?
He smashed her and even sent her away.

Abraham also had several other sex slaves aside Hagar.
What about David, the great great .... grandfather of your Jesus, what did he do?

Lol. Ha! I like this dream you are having but it's high time you woke up

Chai! These Christan guys are unbelievable. I can never like you people.

You are criticizing someone else for what you did worse of.🤣🤣🤣

Shut up you this shameless paedophile.
Where did I say those bible characters were my role models.

Unlike u that shamelessly claim someone who raped a 6 year old girl is your role model to follow.

A 53 year old man mounting a helpless 9 year old girl...what an aberration. No wonder Aisha died childless, the crazy man had destroyed the poor girl's womb at an early age.

Continue hunting for small girls, your day of reckoning is at hand. It doesn't matter whether you are in Nigeria or abroad. U will end up in jail or possibly burnt alive if in naija.

FRANCISTOWN:
Lol, which heat??
I'm sorry to say, but you are just deluding yourself.
I've not really seen anything substantial in what you've been saying so far and it bores me like crazy.

Mohammed himself handed down Al Qur'an, he recited it to his scribes orally which they wrote down at his presence and it was finally packaged together after his death .
The University of Birmingham discovered that in 2015.


The first gospel of Jesus was written after he had died. No one wrote anything down when Jesus was alive.

There is a grave of Mohammed, his right and left hand man. Al Abubakr and Omar and Aisha.
There is no grave where the "said Jesus" rose.

There are other historical reports from different empire that Mohammed sent letters, these are captured in other empire's historical facts.

No one can tell whether Jesus sent anything, nothing about him at all. They are not even sure about his physical appearance. Too many lies about that guy.

The various relics of Mohammed, his followers, and other items purportedly associated with Mohammed were brought to Topkapı Palace in Istanbul, where they remain to this day

Nothing about Jesus could be found.

Now in the last century, a rock inscription was discovered in mount Sela containing the names of prophet Muhammad, Ali, Salman, and Saad. That confirms the
battle fought by the anti islamic forces of Quraish and Ghatanfan against Muslims of Madinah. Muslims were under the lead of Prophet Muhammad. A companion is the prophet, Salman the Persian advised to build a trench around the city North of the mount Sela. During the battle, prophet's cousin, Ali ibn Abu Talib showed great bravery fighting at two fronts.

Nothing can be shown for your said Jesus

There are many artifacts, inscriptions, manuscripts and coins from his era, confirmed by radio carbon dating, numismatics, and epigraphy that confirm the existence of Mohammed, not just relics.

Nothing can be said about your "said Jesus"

I really don't wanna sound insultive because Mohammed is probably the most influential person to ever walk on this Earth.

You can say Mohammed was a false prophet, but anyone who says there are no reasonable proofs that Mohammed once lived is the epitome of illiteracy in mankind.

Mohammed ibn Abdullah. I don't like Islam, but I like Mohammed, that guy was a leader like no other, so brave and courageous. He was an illiterate yet he made so much impact.

Your Jesus that could read and write at an early age. What did he write?




You are the one who is being unrealistic here.
No offense intended.
Whether Muhammad is in the grave or not, at least there is a place where they call the grave of Mohammed. You won't be the one to tell, do you have a solid proof that he's not in the grave?
You are beginning to bore me to death with your reasoning

Yarning dust as usual without evidence.
In that case I believe Oranmiyan is 18 feet tall, his staff in Ile Ife is a proof.
Case closed.

I'm not surprised Muhammed is your role model. You sound like a closet Muslim.
The best of mankind who sold 2 black slaves to buy a white slave..I guess those blacks slaves didn't want freedom.
He sold six slave women to buy a Jewish woman. He had six slaves surplus to requirements but couldn't free them.
He had sex slaves and told his companions to do the same by having sex with captured married women while their husband were still alive.
Not yet done, he married his son's wife. When tongue started wagging he abolished adoption declaring it illegal in order to legitimise his shameful atrocious act.
Not yet done, he declared only him could have more than 4 wives. But that couldn't satisfy him, he went on to declare he has every right to sleep with any woman that desired him. When he couldn't handle the pressure, he quickly brought a revelation that Allah said he should be selective in his choice.
Even smart Aisha saw thru his shenanigans, she told him 'This Allah is just too convenient for u'.


Narrated Aishah: I used to look down upon those ladies who had given themselves to Allah’s Messenger and I used to say, “Can a lady give herself (to a man)?” But when Allah revealed: “You (O Muhammad) can postpone (the turn of) whom you will of them, and you may receive whom you will. And whomsoever you desire of those whom you have set aside (her turn temporarily) it is no sin on you (to receive her again).” (V.33:51) I said (to the Prophet), “I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires (hawa).”[1]

Let's not forget Muhammed is an armed bandit, a genocidal murderer who wiped out a whole Jewish tribe and coveted their wealth. If he existed in our time, he would have been paid a visit by American missile drones or locked up in jail for his crimes against humanity.

He's definitely not the best of men no doubt, but for him to be your role model says a lot about your person and character.

Even smart Muslims don't preach Islam with Muhammed, instead they use Jesus claiming he's a Muslim.
We done here. I wish I never spoke to u. TenQ warned me about people like u, sad I never listened.

FRANCISTOWN:
I won't argue on behalf of another religion.
Since you didn't know how to use Google.
You can create a thread on it and see how people will laugh you to scorn.

Both Yhwh and Allah to me are just the same thing. Guess what? Imaginary

U brought Muhammed here to brag not the Muslims, so it's fair u receive the heat.
As I told u earlier, be mindful of what I bring online esp if u not intellectually sound. People here will call u out for making claims without objective evidence.