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TenQ:
See how you've digressed?

Please, go and learn or at least ask questions: I will NOT teach you Islam!

Pls ignore that troll. Don't let her derail this thread.

Stoplying:
It is not surprising to see Yoruba supporting their western masters. Yoruba have always been slaves to the west. Your ancestors betrayed Africa and sided with the colonizers, you are only keeping up your family tradition

Yoruba Muslims do not support the west. Get your facts right.
They are the biggest antagonist of the west on this forum. Check out that guy call Ilhordopsy or whatever his name is.

Femi8586:
I ain't supporting any country but please let me ask you just this question.

If Mexico and any other countries sharing border with US decides to become Russian allies today, what do you think the US would do?

Please be honest and objective with your response.

Mexico is a strong ally of china. Both countries engage in military drills.

paramakina202:
China is doing far better than most European countries while India is an emerging global power.

Mention one invention using that emerge from China or India.

philipfrancis81:
if you no wan waste tour money no near South Korea.

But my friend who went to South Korea said it's the best decision of her life.
She works as an English teacher.

2mch:
You better keep quiet nuisance. You think because you travelled to the UK as a liability you are now more informed than people that UK is like going to the toilet?

I dont care about your toilet opinion, if u know nothing about the nhs, better keep quiet.

vibrant40:
Well said.....

Don't worry, that girl has your life planned out for u. Just follow the script.
The same way she called out of the blue moon to say 'I will marry u'....same way she will visit u one day and tell u I'm pregnant for u.

2mch:
UK healthcare is not that great either except you can afford Private. So what are you talking about?

U better keep quiet of u don't know what u saying.

TenQ:
It is not strange that Muslims were more comfortable with distracting the thread because they know that they have no answer. It was an ERROR of statement by Allah aka Mohammed.

We all know that the Jews would NEVER call Jesus the Messiah!

Mohammed thought Jesus' surname was Messiah.

LegalWolf:
To answer your question directly, I am CERTAIN that ABRAHAM never heard the word Yhwh - but he was a prophet of Israel. Same with his son and grandson. So that ends the debate there, irrespective of whether these people came before Moses or Not.

Now that is for Biblical record, do you know that there are archeological and historical evidence to show that Yhwh was indeed one of the gods of canaan?

Now that we know the Abraham called God Almighty by his name Yahweh, the big question is why didn't God reveal his personal name to Mohammed.
Yahweh isnt a Hebrew word. Abraham spoke an ancient Semitic language but called God Yahweh, so u can't hide under Hebrew language as excuse.

The Hebrew word for God is Elohim. It's simply a literal meaning for deity which can be used for any of the following: God, god, gods, man-god.

In Exodus 7.1 God said to Moses, "See I have made you like a God to Pharaoh".
Does that mean Moses is God and can be equated to Allah?

Elohim is used fluidly in ancient Hebrew language as u see above so I really wonder if that's the right name u want to link with your Allah.

In fact, lexical wise, the elohim word is plural and not singular, so if u want to associate Elohim with Allah, then welcome to trinity.
There's a reason why your Islamic scholars are trying hard not to associate Allah with Elohim but pin him with Yahweh.

Finally your argument of yahweh being a Canaanite god holds no water.
The same goes for Elohim derived from El who is regarded as the supreme god of the ancient Canaanite religion and the supreme god of East Semitic speakers in Mesopotamia's Early Dynastic Period.
So if u want to throw away Yahweh because of its association with paganism, u can as well do the same for Elohim.

People had been calling the name of Yahweh since the days of Seth, Adam's son.
So I really don't understand why Muhammed will claim he spoke to God but couldn't tell us his personal name.
When u look at this claim with objective reasoning, it makes no sense.
The whole set up looks like a scam...nothing personal, just my honest opinion.

LegalWolf:
To answer your question directly, I am CERTAIN that ABRAHAM never heard the word Yhwh - but he was a prophet of Israel. Same with his son and grandson. So that ends the debate there, irrespective of whether these people came before Moses or Not.

Now that is for Biblical record, do you know that there are archeological and historical evidence to show that Yhwh was indeed one of the gods of canaan?

Now this is a response to LegalWolf

Abraham knew God as Yahweh.

God called his name to Abraham in Gen 15.7

God also said to Abram“I am the LORD, who brought you out of Ur of the Chaldeans to give you this land to take possession of it.”

After God provided a ram for Abraham to sacrifice (instead of his son, Isaac) on Mount Moriah, Genesis 22:14 says, “Abraham called the name of that place Jehovah-jireh- The LORD will provide. As it is said to this day, in the mount of Jehovah it shall be provided”

Jacob also called God Yahweh in Gen 27.20
“How is it that thou hast found it so quickly, my son? And he said, because The LORD your God sent me good speed”

Here we can see both Abraham and Jacob mentioned the name YAHWEH.
Thus we can conclude God revealed himself to Israelites patriarch as Yahweh.

So is exodus 6.3 a contradiction for saying God did not reveal his name to the patriarch.
No, it's simply the etymology of the ancient Hebrew language and the way it's used in expressed language.

NIV explained it better..
God also said to Moses, “I am the Lord. I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac and to Jacob as God Almighty, but by my name the LORD I did not make myself fully known to them.

Divine revelation is progressive. God did not make himself fully known to a people at a certain period of time. That's why the triune nature of God wasn't fully revealed in the old testament.

Knowing someone by name is different from knowing him in essence and experience.

God called Abraham out of Ur, a sumerian civilisation that was strongly pagan and polytheistic. With such cultural background, it was going to be difficult for Abraham to fully comprehend God.
Laban, Abraham's grand nephew kept idols despite his acknowledgement of God Almighty. Gen 31.29

Gen 31.53 is evidence Abraham knew God before he called him, but the full knowledge and revelation wasn't given to him but passed over to his generation. He was given the covenant but wasn't fulfilled during the lifetime of the patriarch.
Abraham caught but a glimmer of reality when the infinite I AM brought him from Ur of the Chaldeans. For Abraham, God was indeed the Almighty provider and sustainer, though the promises God made to Abraham remained largely unfulfilled.
Moses, however, experienced the glorious revelation of Yahweh, the eternal “I AM that I AM” in a progressively greater and more intimate way, culminating in the awesome Exodus out of Egypt.
That was the message God conveyed to Moses on Ex 6.3

An example of this could be seen in the book of Samuel where the boy Samuel served on the temple of the LORD and found favour in his site, but was written that the boy Samuel didn't know the Lord when God called him.

Then Elkanah went home to Ramah, but the boy Samuel ministered before the Lord under Eli the priest. [/i]1 Samuel 2.11

[i]And the boy Samuel continued to grow in stature and in favor with the Lord and with people. [/i]1 Samuel 2.26

[i] Now Samuel did not yet know the LORD: The word of the LORD had not yet been revealed to him. 1 Samuel 3.7

It's a pity this thread was distracted by guys who have no business being here in the first place.
TenQ question remain valid. Muslims should come and tell us why Jews would kill their messiah and even gloat about it.
This isnt about whether christ was crucified or Jesus is the true Messiah.
The question is why did the Jews killed their Messiah and gloated over it
If possible TenQ can u do open a new thread on this topic and warn distractors to stay off.

Benwallt:
Edo women that back their babies to man friend's house just to fucc early in the morning after dropping the older ones in school. Nothing like decorum in Edo women's dictionary when it comes to sex. They do it brazenly

That's not true.

FiftyFifty:
Stop typing trash, dude. Some of us know the Bible more than most of your pastors. Christianity can't stand scrutiny. As someone rightly said, you can't be Christian and intelligent at the same time.

If bible can't stand scrutiny then I don't know any religious that can even be brought for scrutiny.
Pls don't mention Qur'an, Monday is a serious day for me, I don't want to laff.

I've tested both atheist and Muslims on this forum. Dem chop dust.
U can try your luck.

MaxInDHouse:
God shared it with Adam but he fell by sinning so he failed to pass it to his descendants that's why the scriptures say:

"For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" Romans 3:23 compare to Romans 5:12

Jesus came to replace Adam {1Corinthians 15:45} so he can share that glory with all those having faith in him as their adoptive father through faith {John 1:11-12} hence Jesus could say:

"I have GIVEN them the glory that you have GIVEN me, in order that they may be one just as we are one" John 17:22

As son of God {John 3:16} Jesus was GIVEN God's glory just as Adam was also given {Luke 3:38} Adam failed to pass it on to his children but Jesus was able to pass it on to all those accepting him as their adoptive father!

So what about isaiah 42.8. except u saying Adam is not a man.

Janosky:
Oga, what are you driving at?

I'd like to hear from you.
No be only me & you dey this thread.

God's glory cannot be shared by any man.
If Jesus shared in that glory....that tells u something ....

Janosky:
Does your own Bible begins & ends in Isaiah 42:8 ?

Isaiah 42:8 , Jehovah God does NOT share glory with Idols & "anyone else" a reference to Worshippers of idols.
SirTee does NOT believe in John 17:7,22,24,yet claims to follow Jesus Christ.

What is shikenah glory.
For context read Exodus 33.17-23

drlateef stop believing in scientific miracles in the Koran. It's nonsense.
Even your top dawah guys now call it nonsense.


https://youtube.com/shorts/_1nu6MVgNX8?feature=share3

Even islamic scholars are beginning to caution Muslims apologetics about pushing the scientific claim narrative during dawah.
Because its been shown some reverts leave Islam after discovering the so called koranic scientific claim is a sham.

AntiChristian:
You're free to regard us as anything you like. You can't do worse that Paul in his letters turned scriptures! But must you guys mix lies into your speech just to defend yourself? I have never being to Mecca 2ce as you have said we must go!

Your God that Moses saw face to face is an invisible God? Same God Jacob fought and won? You're simple pathetic! Catholism and Christianity is paganism! Christmas, Xmas tree and father Christmas (foreign masquerade) is paganism! Holy communion where you eat bread and wine thinking you're eating Jesus's body and drinking his like cannibals is paganism! Even the Christian belief of vicarious atonement is paganism! Trinity is paganism! God turned man is paganism!

What's the name of their God? Is it Jesus? If they worshiped Jesus then Jesus is a Zoroastrian God! Ahura Mazda!

So no point in God killing many people in the old testament since he could have used all of them to spread his word! Isn't this foolishness?
Why can't God use Sodom and Gomorrah but had to destroy them?


You started the diversion by comparing Zoroastrianism to Islam in terms of idolatry mentioning Mecca which wasn't part of your Magi discussion!
Seems you can't even follow the rules you're promoting!

U no get talk again but grabbing at straws.

However, u need to go and look at what paganism and idolatry. Islam is very close to it.

In Christianity, holy communion is not a must. Some Christians don't take it, it all depends on your conviction.
Santa Klaus and Christmas tree.....Wetin concern Christianity with tradition. Some church even banned it.

My guy, paganism is not believe system but practice and doctrine.

Why must u guys circle round a black stone and then kiss it. Why must u face Mecca when praying. What happens if u turn towards Lagos, will Allah accept my worship.
All these things are pagan practice.

Why must u stand, bend, bow, sit, then stand again and repeat the process in a cyclical fashion. Cant I pray to Allah just standing and close my eyes. Why must I follow a rigid ritualistic pattern.
My guy, this is paganism. If someone never tell u, I'm telling u now.
It's akin to when sango worshippers pour palm oil on an wooden figure to invoke their gods during libation
Anything ritualistic and repetitive practice that's a must for u to invoke a god's name is paganism.

Anyway I think we done here. U agreed with me that the wise men didn't worship baby Jesus. Then u denied they worshipped the divinity in Jesus despite evidence they did.

Jesus was worshipped thruout his lifetime. As a baby, as an adult during his ministry, after is death and resurrection.
Thomas called him my Lord and my God.

Even in your Koran, the holy spirit was with Jesus throughout his life on earth. He reach Muhammed's turn, he started confusing holy spirit for angel Gabriel.

Personally, I would have said there's no greater scammer like muhammed, but after Nnamdi kanu convinced millions of Nigerians to believe Muhammed is Jibril from Sudan; I think scammers are possible of anything, so long as there are gullible followers.

Janosky:
Oga, truth be told ,you are making a FALSE claim on this public forum.

Oga, who revealed Isaiah 42:8 to Isaiah His prophet?

Jehovah God, of course!

@John 7:16 & John 15:15, Isaiah 48:17 Oga who is teaching prophet Isaiah & also teaching Jesus Christ?
Jehovah God ,of course!


Did your own Bible begins & end in Hebrew1:1-3?

Oga, are you ready & humble yourself to accept Jesus Christ teaching to the disciples & to you @John 17:7, 22-24, that God his Father taught him?

That is the point.

I don hear u if u no wan hear bible own.
Abi no be Isaiah 42.8 dey make u para.
Being a Unitarian Christian is very much fine by me. Trust me.
Don't waste your energy barking at the wrong tree.

Janosky:
@ John 17:7,22. Jesus Christ said

7 Now they know that everything I have is a gift from you,
22 “I have given them the glory you gave me, so they may be one as we are one. 24 Father, I want these whom you have given me to be with me where I am. Then they can see all the glory you gave me because you loved me even before the world began!


@ Hebrews 1:1-3, did Paul reference Jesus Christ as a human being?
No, not at all.

Did "God made the Universe through his Son" Jesus when Jesus was a man?
No, not at all.


@ John 17:7,22,is Jesus Christ teaching SirTee that Jesus radiance (reflection) of God's glory is a gift GIVEN to Jesus?
Yes indeed.

Oga, did not now see that your claim is not true because Jesus said he GIVES the same glory of Hebrews 1:3 to the disciples?

You alleged that Hebrews 1:3 validate your claim. Oga, do you now agree that your claim on Hebrews 1:3 makes the disciples God too as revealed by Jesus Christ@ John 17:7,22,24?
Jesus glory @ Hebrew 1:3= John 17:7,22,24.

Trinity na scam jare

U still don't get it. Being a Unitarian Christian is fine by me. Just dont be dishonest.

However read Isaiah 42.8 to have insight into those verse u quoted.

Janosky:
Oga, why are you throwing tantrums?
I paraphrased Hebrews 1:3, I didn't make any word for word quotation of the verse.

There is NOTHING distorted in my comment.
Your claim is NOT TRUE.

Don't worry about it. MaxInDHouse already explained on your behalf.
Not that I accept his explanation ,but as I said I don't argue about inter Christian doctrinal differences.
I pray the truth finds u.

honesttalk21:
Well, as ordinary as it seems, creating a new human being is no simple feat. No matter who you are, once upon a time you were not but a single cell and then multiplied by division. You built a body that has one hundred trillion cells. You made hundreds of different kinds of tissues and dozens of organs, including a brain that allows you to do remarkable things.

You went through all trimesters and labour without dying or aborting. Isn't this a miraculous thing or we generally trivialize this as just normal because we got through it.

I may not fully understand what you mean by there's no miracle here.

So the argument about embryology in the Koran started with drlateef claiming the verse is a scientific miracle in the Qur'an. Which means nobody knew about the embryological analysis of that verse at the time the revelation was given to Muhammed.
That's how the whole argument started.

I'm just stating that the womb growing btw the ribs and backbone is not a scientific discovery in the Qur'an.

AntiChristian:
This your divinity is in the seeing of a star right by non-Christians idolaters? Lol! Laughable!

Of course that's inane, illogical and irrational.
What did i confirmed?

Even if the Magi believed in monotheism they still were not Jews nor Christians!
Rest bro!
Those Magis are Idolaters!

Jesus is not Ahura Mazda that is worshiped in Zoroastrianism!

If God could use non-Christians/Jews to spread monotheism then he won't have killed many in the Old testament!

See Muslim calling Zoroastrian idolaters.

To us Christians, U Muslims are more pagans than Zoroastrian.
Not only are u guys pagans but big time idolaters, 2ce a year u must go to Mecca to kiss black stone, u can't pray unless u face the Mecca.
U people engage in daily ritualistic routines just because u want to pray.
Muhammed sold a scam to u people about a god called Allah. Who is he? A god that has a shin and 2 right hands.
The Almighty God, the God of the bible is a spirit. An invisible God.

Zoroastrian was the first monotheistic religion in the world- the believe in One God. They are definitely not idolaters in the true sense of the world.

God can use non Jews to spread his word and fulfil his prophecy. God used king Cyrus of Persia to restore Judah and encouraged the scribes to compile the biblical texts. Is he a Jew.
Same for king Darius. What about queen Sheba who took the true God to Ethiopia.

If u want to talk about killings in the old testament, open a different topic for that. Don't be jumping from one topic to another.

honesttalk21:
The pelvic cavity is a bowl-like structure that sits below the abdominal cavity

I first apologise for wrongly interpreting the meaning of the verse and striving to link embryonic anatomy to the verse. More especially to SirTee15

It is a valuable experience encouraging me to reflect and research on the verses; it has not been one to take that much of my attention before stumbling on this discussion.

The actual meaning of the verses are that mankind should reflect on where he was created from (87:5); created from a fluid ejected (87:6) perhaps the semen of the father though it could be of the mother too being that females too produce fluids but this is not the case.

Even if we agree that the reproductive organs of both male and female occupy a region bound or in-between the coccyx (end of the backbone and the ribs).

Emerging from between the backbone and the ribs 87:7

Now this is not referring to the reproductive fluids of either male or female but the baby that has been in the womb that occupied a space between the backbone and the ribs.

During baby development the womb/uterus expands and spreads within this region as the baby grows. Some women report pain or feeling of kicks of the baby on the ribs and back/backbone.

This is the meaning of the verses. And the Surah goes on to inform that mankind can be returned to life after he must have passed on. This is the might of Allah towards when there will be judgement and the hereafter.

Well some pragmatic islamic scholars interpret the verse as such....baby in the womb which is between the backbone and rib.
To me that's fine. But what's the scientific miracle about it.
Even a blind man knows a growing womb has the baby and it grows towards the ribs while pushing the backbone behind.
There's no miracle here my friend.

Anyway, I appreciate your honesty. That's a rare and invaluable quality in mankind.
You are a good person....unlike that drlateef who was caught here 3ce lying about embryology but arrogantly forming what I dont know.

AntiChristian:
Where did it mention that they were three? And show me where Jesus founded Christianity?

You mean the Hebrew God that the Magi didn't believe in used them to spread the word to other culture...?

You need to show us the verse for all these.

They didn't worship a human baby in a manger! They were idol worshippers who saw his star! Magians no dey worship human! They were Persians who study stars or are your saying Jesus is their Ahura Mazda?

Then they worshiped the divinity in Jesus. That's your answer.
They acknowledged the Godhead divinity in baby Jesus and bow down to him.
So all the Muslims argument of Mary taking care of God, God coming out of woman's private part is nonsense. Mary took care of baby Jesus and not God.
You confirmed it yourself. Stop using your mouth to attract curse upon yourself by talking heresy.

Regarding God using magi to spread the word. Sheba spread God's monotheism to Ethiopia.
Balaam was meant to do the same but his greed won't allow him.
The magi believed in monotheism and God directed them to know the only true God.

Shikenah.

AntiChristian:


I won't hide. Would answer if I wish to! And if i don't answer that doesn't mean i don't have a response!



This concept of translating "Bow down" to mean "worship" in all these verses particularly when it involves Jesus is dubious!

And those people that visited were not Christians but Zoroastrians who believed in the stars! How would Idol worshipers worship Jesus?



Who are the magi that visited and bowed for Jesus because they saw his star?

The 3 wise men couldn't be Christians, they came to worship the founder of Christianity.

The Zoroastrians are monotheist. In fact Zoroastrianism is believed to be the world’s first monotheistic religion, predating Judaism.

Many ancient culture believed in one God even outside of abrahamic faith.

So while the Magi may not believe in the same God as the Hebrews, they were familiar with the idea of a monotheistic religion and that's why God used the magi to spread the word to other culture and religion about the only true God.

According to various traditions, the Magi returned to the East and were eventually baptized by Saint Thomas the Apostle and are still regarded by some churches as Christian saints. They were also inspirational to the establishment of early church in Syriac and Persian region.

So now that I answered your question, can u be honest enough to reply mine.

Did the wise men worshipped the baby Jesus or the divinity in baby Jesus?

Kobojunkie:
The Spirit of Eternal Life, the one Jesus Christ said those who are born of Spirit are born of.

Can someone explain to me what this kobojunkie is trying to say because it makes no sense to me. I could be wrong though, maybe others can help.

The bible makes it clear that spirit returns to God who gave it after death.

Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. Ecclesiastes 12.7

Kobojunkie:
Please re-read with your eyes open and your mind unfolded.

Is this not what u said....
The same is the case for those who earn eternal life except that rather than figuratively be returned to dust --- cease to exist ---- the individual--- mind, body,and soul(along with spirit companion) are said to sleep in the grave.

What do u mean by spirit companion sleep in the grave.

Kobojunkie:
According to Scripture, when a human being dies, the soul does not leave the body meaning that there is no God demanding back the soul when one dies. The soul remains inside of the body even while the body is buried in the ground and it remains intact even as the body, along with the bones, turns to physical dust. The same is the case for those who earn eternal life except that rather than figuratively be returned to dust --- cease to exist ---- the individual--- mind, body,and soul(along with spirit companion) are said to sleep in the grave.

So when you attend a funeral and you hear people say things like the person is no longer in the body, there is no truth to that claim at all, at least not where Scripture is concerned. That soul still resides in that body, only the breath of life that once animated it is what returns to God --- the same breath of life breathed by God into all living beings.

It's like u reading your bible upside down.
A lot of people have been complaining about your heresy and anti biblical statements on this forum buts it's today I'm confirming it.
What do u mean by the spirit remain with the body in the grave.
Read Ecclesiastes 12.7, then read the story of the rich man and Lazarus. Come back and tell me the abode of soul spirit after death.

Lukuluku69:
If you need evidence that the Zoroastrians are waiting for a Reformer, read up on that Faith. Research! I can actually help out but I won't because you won't believe it coming from me. So, go dig stuff on your own. The Internet and a Device, you have a Library before you.

You are asking me how old was Jesus when his Momma fled with him? Really really? Ask Mathew nah, he wrote the story or better still, entreat the Holy Spirit to inspire you with that? An age could not be given because it was a fabrication. No wise men came, no massacre occured, no Egypt journey. He just lumped stuff together to prove and claim fulfilment of Prophesy.

I wish I had the time, even if I do, you won't believe them. Weaning Christians from Lies foisted on them is an herculean task.

Abeg u no get point. All this one no be talk.

Your bible exegesis outside of searching for Muhammed in the bible isn't good enough.

Asking why God can't morphed into angels to redeem them shows u need a lot of reading to do if u are to become a bible critic.

Ibrahimmrfish:
a speech about the “War on Terror,” former American President George W. Bush referred to the “crusades” to describe his war against terrorism, recalling the wars waged by the Christian West against Arabs and Muslims in the 11th, 12th and 13th centuries.

The connotation of “crusade” in English is still fairly positive in spite of recent Western scholarly reassessments of these wars, while in the East the term still has strong negative associations.

Moreover, Bush’s “axis of evil” speech strengthened this view since two-thirds of the axis (Iran and Iraq) he condemned were Muslim, and the organizations he classified as “terrorist” during the speech were all Muslim. Bush’s legacy of failure in Iraq, including the loss of the “common will” of Americans, paved the way to a new spirit and direction for US foreign policy, buoyed by the first African-American presidency in the US. The spirit of “change” born in post Bush-era America found its way to the Arab world, which has since then seen more calls for democracy and “change” domestically and internationally.

On the other side, in many of his speeches, Bashar al-Assad asserts that “the issue is terrorism. We are facing a real war waged from the outside.” Al-Assad’s regime insists on attributing the armed opposition in Syria to terrorist groups, which they claim come from the US, Turkey and Gulf nations. Terrorism in Bashar and Bush’s speeches is used to justify violence against civilians and to deceive the public through skewed use of language.

In both cases, citizen journalists succeed in uncovering state terrorism. In Iraq, we all remember the transformative role of Citizen Media and web video in the coverage of the war in Iraq. In April 2004, photos of torture and abuse at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq were broadcast, causing revulsion and anger throughout the world. The Bush administration had claimed the invasion of Iraq was to liberate Iraqis from tyranny, but the photos of torture and abuse suggested America was not living up to its espoused principles.

Nowadays Syria is attempting to get free and rid of the current regime by connecting citizen journalists who are also activists on the ground in Syria. In addition, they are not only documenting and trying to connect with as many activists as possible; they’re creating and providing possible solutions, specifically pushing for a no fly zone, along with other solutions to resolve this terrible conflict and to ultimately bring the senseless killing to an end as quickly as possible.

Armed conflict in the country is only escalating, and the opposition’s new tactics could be seen as terrorist in their nature but never so when placed in the appropriate context of guerrilla warfare. The nature of the conflicts in Syria, just like the one in Iraq after the American invasion, made the line between opposition and terrorist hard to draw, especially for Westerners, demarcating little more than differences in the ultimate goal for Syrian regime change. The perceptions of the West — and its silence over the bloodshed — in the dogmas of various opposing forces in Syria today could prove to be a major point of contention that will bear sour fruit in the months and years to come, whether or not Bashar al-Assad successfully asserts his authority in the short term.

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So what has all this got to do with the topic of debate.
U simply analysing a complex geopolitical situation and international relation.
U even admit in your writing that some Muslims countries sided with western nations to attack a Muslim country.
So what has got to do with Muslim v Christians.
Are u ok upstairs?