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So with the above in mind.... Can any Muslim come forward and answer this question At what age can a female child consent to marriage. Remember Muhammad already told u guys unequivocally that he's not an expert on worldly affairs....that he did it doesn't make it the right answer. I repeat.... At what age do u think a girl child can consent to marriage. |
The funny thing is modern day Muslims are the ones destroying Muhammad reputation by pushing words into his mouth when Muhammad himself had absolved himself of all his mistakes when on earth. Muhammad clearly told his followers that he's only human and thus deficient in general knowledge, so they should take his non religious comments with pinch of salt. Muhammed told his followers that if they notice what he said was wrong, they should ignore the nonsense and do what they know is right. This is in the authentic book of hadith, sahih muslim Muhammad had advised his followers certain way of growing date palm but that caused negative effect on the crops. When the companions asked the Prophet about it, he said they have to take from him what relates to the religion, while for what relates to this worldly affairs or general knowledge, they can use their wisdom, knowledge and judgement. The narration in Sahih Muslim is as follows: After arriving in Medina, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) passed by some people who were fecundating some date palms, so he asked them what they were doing. When they told him, he said, “I don’t think that will provide any benefit,” or in another narration, “It would be better if you didn’t do that.” So they refrained from doing it, and that year the crop was not as good. They mentioned it to him (peace and blessings be upon him), and he replied: “I am only a human: if I command you to do something in your religion, then take it; but if I tell you to do something based on personal opinion, then [realize] that I am only human,” and in another narration, “Yet if I inform you of something from Allah, then do it, for indeed I will never convey an untruth on behalf of Allah Mighty and Majestic,” and in yet another narration, “You know better of your worldly affairs.” Sahih Muslim, Sunan Ibn Maja, Sahih Ibn Hibban, Musnad Ahmed and other sources. From above, it's clear Muhammed gave a sensible and pragmatic response to his goofs in the Qur'an and hadiths which is I don't know it all. Unfortunately, modern day Muslims have rejected Muhammed's answer and created their own answers that have only drawn criticism to the name of their prophet. On the judgement day, Muhammed will condemn all Muslims who has rejected his good answer and brought mockery to his name. Muslims should stop speaking for Muhammed, he already spoke for himself regarding his mistakes. You guys are not helping him, u simply making things worse. If Muhammed said the sun sets in murky waters and now we know that is not true, Muslims should just admit Muhammad goofed and let it be. If Muhammad said the semen comes from the backbone and now we know that's incorrect. Muslims should desist from manipulating his words and accept what he said was wrong. Providing us with the prophet's correct answer will prevent many endless argument we have both online and offline re Muhammed. Just tell us Muhammed made a mistake when he said this or that; it is an acceptable answer and we will all move on, instead of making excuse for him. On judgement day, Muhammed will condemn many modern day Muslims who continue to twist his words when he never told them to do so. It's ironic a Christian is the one reminding Muslims to follow the teaching of their prophet....very ironic. Cc To our Muslims friends on nairaland: LegalWolf Vanessa7 AntiChristian Empiree, Rash4ductluv, BabaHeekmat, Haekymbahd, motayoayinde, drlateef, Thatfairguy1, MrCodeSolo , Hisbah21, thatsleepboy1 , Lordmoh , OBALOLA55, x123xlolls , Lukuluku69 , mhmsadyq, Ibsaq , Herkeym001 , Sulasa07 , hakeemhakeem , abduljabbar4 ,olaalekan ,Friend22 , uthlaw , Exc2000 , AbuTwins ,Akhirastriver ,Akinbahm , Sino , KayB , youngdroly , jaggabban , ukeleh , Realismailakabir , Bami8064 Greatgr , Gaskiyamagana Compton11 , Alfarouq , MrCodeSolo Satmaniac saintHot, drlateef, Donkmore Akinbahm , IMEI , FATHAT , talk2hb1 , iamrealdeji , Encyclopedia1 , Raheeqilmaktoom , Bintdawood , Flanker , Raheeqilmaktoom , rolams , honesttalk21 |
drlateef:So artificial intelligence also removed notochord from it's explanation. Chatgpt even explained what notochord is all about....but u didn't see it? Did u read the USMLE link I sent u? No....read it, it spoke about notochord. You are the dishonest person or u don't know what u talking about. Go to your own embryology book and bring evidence the gonadal development arise from the notochord or neural plate. If u don't have it, your L1 theory doesn't make sense. The reputation of the Qur'an as the word of God is in shatters. That reputation needs help....redeem it. N.B. We need FACTS otherwise your claim will be rejected. Meanwhile we move to 2nd question.. At what age do u think a girl can consent to marriage. Other Muslims can help.... |
sonmvayina:The delusion is real |
Ok drlateef has failed to respond to our rebuttal. Maybe because he has no answer or he's trying to see how he can argue against artificial intelligence. Anyway I need to move to the next question. But before that, it has to be made clear that Qur'an is not from God. Why? God said in his word that he knew and made us right in our mother's womb For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother's womb. I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works; my soul knows it very well. Psalm 139.13-16 Thus says the Lord who made you, who formed you from the womb and will help you: Fear not, O Jacob my servant, Jeshurun whom I have chosen. Isaiah 44.2 Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer, who formed you from the womb: “I am the Lord, who made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by myself, Isaiah 44.24 Did not he who made me in the womb make him? And did not one fashion us in the womb? Job 31.15 Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.” Jeremiah 1.5 As we can see from multiple verses from the bible, God knew us in the womb and fully creates all our development stages as a fetus right from conception to birth. If God is to write a book on our embryogenesis there will no mistake or error. It will be 100% accurate. The embryogenesis of semen and ovaries given in the Qur'an is wrong, an error...a guess work that failed woefully. No amount of explanation or manipulation by modern day Muslims can cover for the glaring mistake. This proves God did not dictate the Qur'an. The book isnt from God, it lacks credibility to be called a divine book, it's simply the writings of men doing guess work with science. If Muslims want to continue believing the Koran, that's fine but if they are to be honest, they should question if it's truly the direct word of God Drlateef, my 2nd question....if u happy to continue: As a medical doctor, tell me the age u think a girl can consent to marriage. Other Muslims can help..... |
sonmvayina:Ok u are of the 13th lost tribe of Israel. Do u care to share with me how u guys ended up in Nigeria. |
sonmvayina:Who are u? Do u believe the Bible or not. I replied u because I thought u are a Unitarian Christian. |
sonmvayina:If Jesus is not God, how come he forgives sin. |
drlateef:You talking nonsense..... The urogenital ridge arise from the intermediate mesoderm and not the notochord. The notochord is from the primitive streak which is from the axial mesoderm. The mesoderm themselves arise from the epiblast during gastrulation. There is no link btw the notochord and the urogenital structures at all. And for your info, Keith Moore has debunked the claim by Muslims that he agreed with the Quranic explanation of sperm origin. Refresh your memory about early embryogenic development week 4 https://www.osmosis.org/learn/Mesoderm And this what chatgpt has to say...
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Even though TenQ may not be in medical field, his rebuttal on origin of ovary was brutal. Kudos. So drLateef could neither defend the sperm nor ovary origin claim in the Qur'an. Maybe we should call other Muslims to help him.... |
drlateef:I already did my research and replied u. Leave issue of ignorance alone, we all here to learn. Why did Muhammed claim semen proceeds from the backbone? |
drlateef:Leave TenQ alone...he's not in the medical field. Discuss embryology with someone who knows what he's talking about. Disprove the below.... The embryogenesis of the testis arise from the Germinal ridge which is from the mesothelial layer of the peritoneum. The other continuous structure is the mesonephros and not the notochord. At first, the mesonephros and gonadal ridge are continuous, but as the embryo grows the gonadal ridge gradually becomes pinched off from the mesonephros but carries some cells from the latter. So in simple terms, the testes is from the abdominal sac and the kidney tissues. It has nothing to do with the back bone. The development of the spine from the notochord and neural tissue is completely different and not in anyway related to gonadal development. Integrity of the Qur'an and Muhammad is at stake here. |
drlateef:Besides you guys are just doing fraudulent gymnastic for Muhammed. Muhammed said the sperm proceeds from the backbone and the ribs. Location of testis is common knowledge in ancient Arabia, they know people with crushed testis will be infertile. But what they don't know is how it relates to semen production or fertility. So Muhammed wasn't confused when he said the semen proceeds from between the backbone and ribs. He simply wanted to prove he was from God by making bogus statements to deceive ignorant folks. Unfortunately he failed. The sperm proceeds from the testis and not in between the back bone and the ribs. |
drlateef:Okay fair enough. Now let's thrash this fallacy out that the testis is related to the spine. Mr dokita. The embryogenesis of the testis arise from the Germinal ridge which is from the mesothelial layer of the peritoneum. The other continuous structure is the mesonephros and not the notochord. At first, the mesonephros and gonadal ridge are continuous, but as the embryo grows the gonadal ridge gradually becomes pinched off from the mesonephros but carries some cells from the latter. So in simple terms, the testes is from the abdominal sac and the kidney tissues. It has nothing to do with the back bone. The development of the spine from the notochord and neural tissue is completely different and not in anyway related to gonadal development. Some of your smarter scholars had claimed since the testis comes from the kidney which is located close to the backbone, then Mohammed is right. But the kidney is not the backbone nor the rib, and that they are closely situated doesn't mean it's the same thing. Dokita, maybe u want to try harder. I know it's a long time but look for your sadler textbook, dust it out and read it, them come back and give a better explanation. Integrity of the Qur'an and Muhammad is at stake here. |
drlateef:1. As a doctor u claim to be, do u agree with the Qur'an that the semen is from the backbone. 2. I'm sure u deal with children, tell me when u think a female child can consent to marriage. U can choose not to answer the next 2... 3. Why was Jesus called the Messiah in the Qur'an. Messiah is an Hebrew word meaning the anointed who will save his people. Does Qur'an agree with above definition, if not then why was it used for Jesus. The Arabic definition of Messiah is inconsequential because it's not an Arabic word. The Qur'an also said the Jews called Jesus the Messiah. And because of their saying: “We killed the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah’s messenger.” They did not kill or crucify him, but it was made to appear so to them. Those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof, but a conjecture they follow; they did not kill him for certain. (4.157) The Jews except for the Nazarites did not believe Jesus was the Messiah and they never called him the Messiah. The Nazarites obviously did not kill Jesus. Where did Qur'an find these Jews who believed Jesus was the Messiah and yet killed him. |
cococandy:The average decides the outcome. U don't even want to compare primitive beliefs in the west to that in Africa. In Africa people believe cutting human head and putting it inside Calabash will bring money. That's outrageous. |
That's why people see whites as next to God. See the wonders of logical reasoning compared to superstitious thinking based on primitive culture. Africans we really need to step. Whites are not special, it's just all about a modern culture that functions on logic and scientifical approach to issues of life. Africans, stop calling children witches, it makes no sense. |
Though my support for Ukraine is 100%, America has no moral ground to warn anybody regarding support for invaders. America is the worst culprit in the 21st century when it comes to unlawful invasion. This is a country that wasted trillions of dollars and 20yrs replacing Taliban with Taliban in Afghanistan.
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FRANCISTOWN:What's so special about 13th century that I will demand an essay from u on its CO2 emission....u should know there's a catch esp since we talking about Genghis khan. That's where having an intellectual mind comes in...maybe I was expecting too much from u.... It's like asking u to tell me about environmental sanitation/public health in 14th century Europe ...u should know I have only one thing in mind. |
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FRANCISTOWN:The belief he kept to himself were the mainstream Christian doctrine of his time that he didn't agree with. Isaac Newton was a Unitarian Christian who opposed trinity. He also didn't believe in infant baptism or immortal soul. Those were heresy beliefs in his days but that by no means make him an atheist or agnostic. He believed in God and this is what he wrote when he discovered law of gravity... This most beautiful system of the sun, planets, and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent Being. [...] This Being governs all things, not as the soul of the world, but as Lord over all; and on account of his dominion he is wont to be called "Lord God" παντοκρατωρ [pantokratōr], or "Universal Ruler". [...] The Supreme God is a Being eternal, infinite, [and] absolutely perfect. Opposition to godliness is atheism in profession and idolatry in practice. Atheism is so senseless and odious to mankind that it never had many professors. https://www.newtonproject.ox.ac.uk/view/texts/normalized/THEM00007 Isaac believes so much in bible prophecies that he actually tried to use mathematics to work out dates when scriptural prophecy will be fulfilled. Go and read about his 2016 v 2060 biblical prediction. Isaac Newton died a Christian. U not different from other atheist I've engaged with on this forum. U will feel it's an insult when I say u guys are shallow but it's the truth. Christians are suppose to be intellectually challenged when engaging with people like u, but reverse is the case. We are actually the ones teaching and correcting u guys. That's why I advised one of you to go and learn from bible critics like Bart Erhman. I'm not going to waste my afternoon on another unprofitable venture. So long and learn some manners. |
FRANCISTOWN: ![]() u failed the assignment big time... It's either u not smart enough or u couldn't decode the correlation btw my question and your bragging, maybe it's because u don't know much about Genghis khan as u claim....as I said I will let u be. Just go and read how Genghis khan cooled the earth during his reign and subsequent empire in the 13th century. |
FRANCISTOWN:All I see in your write up is attempt at damage control. Even a 5yr old could see through it. I will let u be, u goofed and that's it, but I will let it slide this time. U don't know me, next time learn manners and mind your business. FYI, Isaac Newton was buried in Westminster abbey. So much for someone who died an 'agnostic' |
FRANCISTOWN: ![]() Tell me about the carbon emission level in the 13th century AD. Let's see how much u know, let's test your so called knowledge. |
FRANCISTOWN:Shame will not let this one quote the real response I gave him. Well in case u missed it... Him sef don start him own lie.... ghengis khan lived b4 Jesus Christ... olodoNo western scientist were Christians. FYI, Galileo was a Christian, Isaac Newton was a devout Christian. Guttenburg the guy who invented the printing press was a Christian, the first book he printed with his invention was the bible so commoners could read it. Bunch of lazy wannabe atheist. Research they won't do and when they are corrected, they start looking for lies to cover their mess. U better stay off my mention or I will chew u raw. ask your fellow atheist what I did to their career, some of them are yet to recover. |
Xerona:U welcome. Pls tell your hubby to follow u to the doctors and let him hear how the headache u suffering from is caused by stress and how getting help with relieve the chronic headache. Nigerian men most times reason with their doctors. Even us wey dey abroad sometimes do with cleaners because it's not easy esp if both couples are working. |
Jashub:With all due respect, u not making sense. If u are a man, then u not only selfish but disgusting in reasoning. Coming from a man. |
Xerona:Why don't u get some cleaners, they will come, clean and go...maybe 4 times per week. |
FRANCISTOWN:I don't have time for reprobate minds like u. U came into my mentions, started with insults when none was thrown at u and persisted in it. In case u don't know, above is a sign of poor upbringing and mental conditioning to perceive such as normal. Now that u know,I hope u will do a better job with your offsprings. ACE is real. Bye, focus on defending your weak pseudo atheist arguments. Him sef don start him own lie.... ghengis khan lived b4 Jesus Christ... ![]() No western scientist were Christians. FYI, Galileo was a Christian, Isaac Newton was a devout Christian. Guttenburg the guy who invented the printing press was a Christian, the first book he printed with his invention was the bible so commoners could read it. Bunch of lazy wannabe atheist. Research they won't do and when they are corrected, they start looking for lies to cover their mess. |
Lionessza6:Well u have strong points especially your 3. Whatever the case, pls u guys should make South Africa work. That's the only hope of black man. If South Africa fails, Africa will be permanently tagged a failed continent. Just like I was telling op, now that blacks are in charge, promote equity and fairness for all race in SA. Then ensure the best hands are the ones who get the job. If it's a white man, give it him but make sure he's subjected to institutions and constitution controlled by majority blacks. This way efficiency isn't sacrificed but racism isn't tolerated. That's how America became a great nation, they put the immigrants to good use while the whites held on to the real power. Your generation should fix the perceived remnant injustice, those who want to leave are free do so....then move the nation forward as a true rainbow nation. I love South Africa, it's a beautiful country. |
FRANCISTOWN:U know people who were badly trained as a child or those that suffered from childhood abandonment when they open their gutter mouth in public. because only a rabid dog barks even at a tree that was never in their business. Pls stay off my mention and better seek therapy b4 u transfer your ACE problems to your kids. |
Samantha124:Ok |
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