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jaephoenix:
The highlighted is just plain bullshit.
I defined destiny for you, yet you keep on using the definition your pastor uses. You might as well define a bird as a car and drive it since you people don't use dictionaries again.
We asked you to define these bullshit terms 'foreknowledge' yet you can't.

See another one who wants to force Oxford dictionary into the bible.
It's a waste of time discussing with u guys. TenQ was right.
Both of u are just wannabe bible critics with nothing upstairs to back your claim.
As I said to maynman, go and study the works of bible critical scholars, then come back and discuss.

Maynman:
What’s the biblical definition of all knowing, omniscience and knowing the future.



Why don’t you give me answers to those phrases?
Man let’s go to the origins of tanakh and New Testament, you think I’m a believer like you?

Mention names of biblical critical scholars….

You are basing your life on jewish books and Chrestians books you are calling it “bible”.

See this yahweh worshipper, You know nothing of your religion and the books you are basing your life on theist.

Wow have discovered something new today...before it was meaning of theo and now meaning of bible.
What a great discovery!!!!! hallelujah somebody.
What's the next discovery...meaning of Jesus or christ

Seriously u wasting your time here, this will get u no where. Go and study the works of bible critics and learn how they argue Christian theology.
Imagine bringing secular dictionary meaning of biblical words to argue Christian doctrine. U are meant to study our own meaning of words and check if it affirms with what's written in the bible....that's critic.
Not all these nonsense u doing here.

Maynman:
Lol, it’s now biblical definition.

What’s the biblical definition of all knowing, omniscience and knowing the future.
You mean an omniscience god didn’t know adam will sin before he created adam and that same god sees the future, what does he see the future then?

You keep talking about theology, do you know what it means?
Do you know what are theos that you are studying(logy).

Seriously u not worth the effort. U have 2 to 3 phrases u keep parotting up and down. U can't rise above such mundane and boring arguments.
Guy u need to do more reading of u want to become a bible critic. U can start by reading the works of biblical critical scholars, u not helping anybody here.

Maynman:
Then your god is not omniscience and does not know the future, in other mythologies gods decide the fate of man.

“ Now I asked your other fake atheist the question but refused to answer, maybe u can help.
An armed robber that got killed during robbery, was that his destiny given to him the day he was born?
A prostitute that got murdered by her client. Was she destined to be a prostitute and be killed during active service right form day one of her life as a baby.”

Fake theist it’s you that believe yahweh is omniscience and knows everything.
You said he knows the FUTURE, so surely he knows who is a armed robber and prostitute in that FUTURE BEFORE he created them.

I ask you, does yahweh know the exact number of people that will go to hell or he is hoping nobody does?

Even the definition of destiny means “make firm, established”. It has already been DECIDED!

Already answered. Bye

Maynman:
Please look up on the origin of the word “destiny”.
https://www.etymonline.com/word/destiny

This is the problem, how can u apply literal definition to spiritual meaning.
This is the biblical definition of destiny

[b]Our destiny is God’s purpose for our lives. It is our God ordained future. Destiny is what God has destined us to become in His divine will and wisdom. [/b]Each of us is also destined to play specific roles in the ordering of His world – cf 1 Corinthians 12 1-7 on the gifts of the Holy Spirit.

God's plan and purpose for his children conceived long before we were born.

Read more about definition of biblical destiny here
https://www.osc-tbs.org/biblical-concept-of-destiny/#:~:text=Destiny%20is%20what%20God%20has,gifts%20of%20the%20Holy%20Spirit.
Here are.some.excerpts....
It must also be noted that nobody is predestined to go to hell and that is why we have continued to preach so that people will not have any excuse on the day of reckoning. Nobody is also predefined to fail because everybody is given the opportunity to pull their weight. God will never impose His will on us but we enjoined to remain steadfast in Christ and He will give the victory.

We read in Genesis the accounts of the creation of both the world and Mankind and also about the fall of Man. God destined Man to be great and to have dominion over His entire creation, but through disobedience Man lost this heritage. It is not impossible for one to forfeit his destiny as a result of carelessness and disobedience.

Really TenQ was right, it's a waste of time talking theology with u guys. It's better we discuss philosophy.

Maynman:
Tell me what omniscience yahweh said.

You keep contradicting yourself, if not for religion you should see it.
Christians don’t believe in a fixed destiny but they believe yahweh to know the future where there destiny lies, think na
If the future is not fixed then how does yahweh know the future?
How sure is yahweh that revelation will come through since future is not fixed abi

This is your answer. Man don't have a fixed destiny as affirmed by God.

Then the word of the Lord came to me. 6 He said, “Can I not do with you, Israel, as this potter does?” declares the Lord. “Like clay in the hand of the potter, so are you in my hand, Israel. 7 If at any time I announce that a nation or kingdom is to be uprooted, torn down and destroyed, 8 and if that nation I warned repents of its evil, then I will relent and not inflict on it the disaster I had planned. 9 And if at another time I announce that a nation or kingdom is to be built up and planted, 10 and if it does evil in my sight and does not obey me, then I will reconsider the good I had intended to do for it.

Now I asked your other fake atheist the question but refused to answer, maybe u can help.
An armed robber that got killed during robbery, was that his destiny given to him the day he was born?
A prostitute that got murdered by her client. Was she destined to be a prostitute and be killed during active service right form day one of her life as a baby.

Maynman:
You are the one that don’t understand what you are saying. You can’t defend what you base your life on.
You keep contradicting yourself
Is my destiny not in the future?
Does your god know the future?

And the jeremiah you brought in, is this potter all powerful and omniscience?

What did God tell Jeremiah in chapter 18.5-10

Maynman:
You said nothing. If my choices influences my destiny my future, how then does your god know the future?
does your god know the future?
Is your destiny not in the future?
If your god is constantly reshaping destiny that means revelation may not happen or that one is CERTAIN to happen in the FUTURE?

You just here to argue not to understand or learn. Bye

TenQ:
Dr Lateef,
You fall my hand seriously.

Check anywhere
1. The name Esau עֵשָׂו mean "Hairy" in Hebrew
2. It is an OLD Hebrew name that is no more in use at the time of Jesus as it was even derogatory for a Jew to leave the name of his ancestor Yacob
(Ya'akov) for that of the enemy of Israel Esau. Moreover, Other ancient names no more in use as of the time of Christ included Moses, Abraham, Isaac, Ishmael etc
3. The name Yeshua Jesus was an extremely common name in the time of Jesus (I'm sure you didn't know that)
- Jesus called Justus
- Jesus Barabbas
-Bar-Jesus the magician
4. The name Jesus is from the old Aramaic Joshua יְהוֹשֻׁעַ, pronounced "Yehoshua (meaning Yahweh saves or Yahweh my Saviour)

So my dear,
who ever told you what you've written is a 419 fraudster and LIAR!
This name used by Arab Christians to refer to Jesus يسوع (Yasu') from Yasua (Yashua)

Using your logic,
Can we say the name Mohammed is the same as Al-Yamamah as the two names are close!?

Thanks for this.
Now the question all Muslims should be answering is how did Muhammed came about the name Isa. Where did he get it from? If it's not forgery, then they should explain.
Maybe u should do a topic and invite them....guess it will be a waste of time because they won't show face.
They only interested in Kedar which I will give an appropriate answer to soon.

Maynman:
My present choice will determine my future, does yahweh know the future?



Why then did yahweh send his child to earth if he doesn’t think sin?
Sin means disobedience to yahweh, so what you mean he doesn’t think sin?
Who created hell?
Who made satan the ruler of hell according to you?
When jesus died he took control of hell according to you right yet he doesn’t have business with hell? you keep contradicting yourself.

An omniscience god knows the exact number of people that will go to heaven or hell before he even created them.
A parents also sees all his children been successfully, that’s his plans for children But it may not work out because they are not omniscience, THAT IS WHY YAHWEH REGRETTED, HIS PLAN FAILED.
Your god is not all knowing and certainly can’t see the future.

Save yourself from ignorance, and look up on the origin of the word “hell”.

Once again playing with words.
As I said earlier we Christians don't believe in a fixed destiny. Your choice is influence your destiny.
God also is forever shaping your destiny with the purpose of bringing u back into the fold. So foreknowledge to God is an active word, not static.
'Foreknowledge is destiny shaping! Speaking about God's foreknowledge is a way of expressing his eternal commitment to individuals as part of his determination to bring them to faith and to all the glories and benefits of Christ's work'
God is constantly reshaping our destiny no matter how complex or disappointing it is just like Jeremiah observed at the potter's house. Jeremiah 18.1-10


Jesus descended into Hades after his soul separated from his body carrying the sins of the world and to declare victory over death.

jaephoenix:
This is the exact reason Africa is the most backward continent. With the crap I'm getting from this discourse, its no wonder we're like this

Why should we bother, when Africa is destined to be poor according to you

Maynman:
It’s you that believe yahweh is omniscience and knows the future yet he doesn’t know destiny.
Is destiny not in the future?

Africa needs thinkers who are independent of religion.

I ask once again, define foreknowledge and destiny.
Does all knowing yahweh know the exact number of people that will go to hell?

Yahweh doesn't think sin, he's holy. He has no business with hell.
I already told u he sees every being he created in heaven, that's his plan for all men.
Its your choice to reject him and follow the path to hell.

drlateef:
Essau is his name in aramaic, which was his language. Which is close to Essa in arabic. He never spoke greek nor english, why not call him by his name given by his family?

The name given by his family is Yeshua translated to Yasu in Arabic. Arabic Christians had been calling our saviour Yasu while the Syriac Arabic Christians called him Yasu'a for 600 yrs b4 Muhammed came on stage with his forgery.
The name Isa doenst even make sense lexicon and linguistic wise. Arabic and Aramaic are sisters language and has similar sounding words. That's why God in Aramaic and Arabic sounds similar- Allah and Elaha/Aloho.
Yasu and Yehusua is pronounced with the consonant Ayn ending the name. Now comes Muhammed's Isa with the consonant Ayn pronounced at the beginning of the name. Thus Isa sounds completely different from Yeshua or Yasu.
Isa is likely derived from Esau which meant hairy and bears no correlation to the purpose of Jesus Christ.
Yehusua means Yahweh saves because he will save his people from their sins. Matt 1.21

Jesus can't be a Muslim because he's not in the Koran. Yeshua is the real name of Jesus Christ, the Christian Arabs in pre-islamic Arabia translates Yeshua to Yasu. That's the name of our saviour in Arabic Christian literature before Muhammed came on stage.
No one called Jesus Isa before Muhammed invented the name and it's only found in the Koran.
Saying Jesus is a Muslim is blasphemy and Muslim saying this should know it's an insult to us because the name Jesus is not in the Qur'an to begin with and was never a Muslim.

jaephoenix:
DID YOU READ ANY OF THE 4 LINKS I DROPPED?

Mr Man, post the stuff here yourself.
I have gone through your links and can't find what I'm looking for- A case of SR of metastatic stage 4 cancer without therapy.

Treadway:
I know all this, but don't act like you don't also understand that some without proper understanding simpilify this and use it improperly in a way that it now constitutes tax evasion. In one of my responses, you'd see where I said I may not have the full picture or context of your dealings pertaining to this subject, but I have read a lot of posts here from people buying property and doing this, clearly without a full grasp of it and think they are doing tax avoidance. From the way you stated your points eg mails to the house, proper filing, records and documentation of the 'new business outlet/office' is critical. What I am saying is some are not crossing those T's and dotting those I's and just assume since they are buying said property thru the business lobatan. Someone made a post recently wondering why he/she can't rent out a part of their property despite knowing he/she did not enter into a buy to rent mortgage agreement with the lender. I guess what I am saying is ppl better be crossing all T's and dotting all I's, else they inadvertently fall into the category of tax evasion. Actual business people know well and good how to do that due diligence to ensure they are using those avenues, and still remain on the right side of the law.

U actually not amongst those making false allegations against me. I have reported them to the mods and their posts deleted.
Thanks anyway.

jaephoenix:
Does my answer look googled, this boy? Do you see this kind of specific answers on google? Simply admit your fault and move on. Or thank me for teaching you. Though you dont want to tell me your work.
Maybe I should use upper case to answer since you dont understand lower case.
IF A WOMAN COMES TO ME WITH A BREAST LUMP, THE ESSENCE OF A BIOPSY IS TO KNOW IF ITS A CANCER OR NOT, AND IF ITS A CANCER, TO KNOW THE TYPE OF CANCER. TO STAGE IT, I HAVE TO DO CHEST XRAY, AXILLARY USS, ABDL USS, LFT ETC. Even if its not a mitotic lesion, it would still need to be removed.
Again back to the thread. You ignored all the answers(screenshot) i gave and you're backpedalling

Highlighted is the exact answer I'm looking for. U do biopsy first to know if the lump/tissue is cancer or not. Others are secondary, if lump isn't cancer, why do want to grade or stage what's non existent.
So why did u say this below....
jaephoenix:

No. The essence of biopsy is to know the specific cervical cancer type which would determine the specific chemo to use. Why are you changing stance?

jaephoenix:
Seriously you have reading issues. Did you see those links of scientific websites of spontaneous remissions, or not?

This is the one you posted..

This is the first documented case of clinically
evident visceral metastases of a bronchiogenic adenocarci-
noma developing after complete resection of the primary
and then showing complete SR. The epidemiology of SR is
reviewed and possible mechanisms involved in SR are dis-
cussed.
Above is not what I'm looking for- your case had treatment.
I can't find anything in other links- look for them and post here. U are the one making a claim not me.
I'm looking for SR in a stage 4 metastatic cancer WITHOUT ANY THERAPY.

Lukuluku69:
You are Babe.

It would be a waste of time explaining Isaiah 42 and 60 as well as others to you. That I can see already.

U are not obliged to explain anything to me.
But u will do well to refute the agnostic argument in the video I posted, because your fellow Muslim scholar did a bad job of putting Muhammad in Isaiah 42.

jaephoenix:
Chemo and radio are still part of palliative care.
In the screenshot, the drugs for cancer are known as chemotherapy

We talking of 2 different things.
Pls let's not turn this thread into medical. Just go to Google and bring an evidence of spontaneous remission of stage 4 cancer without therapy.
Just one and I will give it to u. Seriously, it will rest.

jaephoenix:
Nope. The spontaneous remission was not after any treatment.
Christians dont understand english

I've begged u to produce just one evidence of spontaneous remission without treatment in metastatic cancer. Just one.
Is that not what we ve been dragging for days. Just one evidence, Google and come back with evidence- remember I said stage 4 cancer.
We learn everyday,

jaephoenix:
Even if you remove atheism there which one is still higher?

The answer is in the initial post.

jaephoenix:
1. I have given the screenshot. Hope youll not deny it.
2. If she didn't have then its spontaneous remission, which is a known idiosyncratic event in carcinomas. So keep your yahweh in your ass where it belongs
3. Yes, biopsy is done to determine the specific type of cancer. Example. In lung CAs, biopsy of the lung is taken, and taken for histology to know the type (from the arrangement of the cells). It could be an adenocarcinoma, pancoat CA, small cell CA etc. Each of them have different treatment modalities and hormone sensitivity is key.
Another example. Breast CAs. Biopsy is sent to histology to know the specific type. These are Piaget cell, Phylloides tumor, fibrosarcoma etc. Each have their level of hormone sensitivity.
So in the end the oncologist can decide to use, for example, 3 cycles of doxorubicin with radio, or tamoxifen.

4. Of course youll send for histology. Is it for cooking soup?
5. The most possible endoscopy for revealed bleed is sigmoidoscopy, not colonoscopy, and yes, you'll send for histology.
NB: A colonoscopy takes a thorough look at the whole of the large bowel, up to the end of the small bowel; while a flexible sigmoidoscopy is a short test which only examines the rectum and sigmoid colon. These common tests are used to examine the health of your digestive system

I don't understand these your points

You obviously confused and not ff the thread of conversation anymore since they are too many.
I replied your mention where u were talking about chemo being used for palliative care. It had nothing to do with the index woman.
This is my reply to your queries if the woman had treatment...
jaephoenix:

1. You said all I said was speculation? How do you know?
2. I know stage 4 CAs falls into palliative care. But they still receive chemo and radio. My question is was she on those treatments before they took her away?

2. Nope.
But common be real. So u expecting chemo and radio to do the magic for a metastatic cancer. It makes them worse if anything. Esp in Nigeria where adjuvant treatment support is poor.
Look here, the woman has received her healing, let's move on.
I can tell u another one I witnessed in uch if u interested. I get them plenty for pocket. MIRACLE IS REAL.

Oga I dont need your googled answers. I wont allow u turn this into a medical thread.
Answer simple basic medical questions? So when a woman comes to u with breast lump, whats the primary reason u would do a biopsy on the lump? To know the grade of her cancer or to know if she actually has cancer?
So those tissues from the bowel and the lump, why do we send them for biopsy?
If u have to Google to answer the above questions, then u are not a doctor.

jaephoenix:
No. The essence of biopsy is to know the specific cervical cancer type which would determine the specific chemo to use. Why are you changing stance? You told me they used chemo and radio.
I have told you several times the causes of that remission. It looks like you don't read my posts

Point to me where I wrote she had chemo and radio.
U sha want her to have treatment by fire by force.
She didn't have treatment, deal with it.

Essence of biopsy is to know specific cancer type? Seriously? Are u a doctor as u claim?
Let me ask u few questions, If u remove a lump from a patient, will u send that lump for Biopsy or not?
If you perform colonoscopy on a patient who presented with rectal bleed. Will u send the parts of the bowel tissue for biopsy or not?

jaephoenix:
You cleverly avoided using them. Because I have been asking you this question but you haven't been aswering them. If a patient was on those modalities, the chances of remission is high. So where is the miracle? Also the fact people that don't pray to yahweh or people that don't pray at all, still experience remission, then its obvious not a miracle

I will respond to this because it's medical related. Don't spread fallacy here
Chemo or radio for metastatic cancers still carries poor prognosis, remission do happen esp with advancement on therapy but it's not magic cure at that stage.

Lukuluku69:
After this no more, live with your ignorance. Go thru Isaiah 42 and apply every single verse to the life of Jesus as recorded in your Bible and see if they fit.

And let me ask,

1. Was Jesus a Servant of God and no longer his Son and God himself again in order to claim Isaiah 42 for him?

2. Did your Jesus ever lived or preached amongst Arabs ( The villages of KEDAR)?

See your fellow Muslim stumbling and fumbling on Isaiah 42. He had to twist the whole plot to justify inclusion of Muhammad in the chapter.
Funny enough the other guy isn't even Christian but was probably seeking clarification though sounds very intelligent.

First, the Muslim guy admitted Isaiah 1-39 is proto isaiah- written by Isaiah while 40 to 55 is deutero isaiah- anonymous authors, yet insisted chapter 42 must have been written by Isaiah and no one else. When asked why, he said because of his religious bias and the Koran.

Second, the Muslim guy said isaiah 42 is about Muhammad because his genealogy links him to kedar- the 2nd son of Ishmael and Isaiah 42 wrote about the Kedarites.
When the intelligent guy reminded him that Muhammad himself said no one should trace his genealogy beyond Adnan- who is hundred of years away from Ishmael, the Muslim guy fumbled and quickly ran to hadith for cover. Eventually, he admitted there's no evidence anywhere that shows Muhammad is a direct descendant of Kedah.

The other guy also pointed out that the book of isaiah- esp deutero isaiah was compiled and possibly influenced by Ezra who worked for the Persian govt.
He posited that Ezra could have been biased towards Cyrus the king of persia and may have described him in the book based on contemporary events at that time. This could fit into the Isaiah 42 because Cyrus the great actually ruled over the kedarites. The Muslim guy couldn't give any reasonable response but finally agreed with him the theory could be true.

However, the Muslim guy insisted Muhammad is in Isaiah 42 because Muhammad claimed the biblical scriptures spoke about him.
When the other guy pointed out that the scripture being referred to is the Torah- the first five books of Moses, the Muslim guy did the greatest gymnastic ever witnessed on live camera.
He said the word Torah is used loosely in the Koran and Muhammad actually meant the tanakh when he was referring to the Torah meaning Isaiah must enter the Koran by fire by force.
He said the Torah according to the Koran doesn't mean the five books of Moses, but all books written in the old testament. U go fear desperate Muslim.

As u people can see from.video, a religion that twist mouth at every given second cannot be from God. Today bible is corrupt, tomorrow bible confirms Muhammad.
Today Torah is the five books of Moses, tomorrow Torah is the book old testament.
Allah gave Moses the Torah as stated clearly in the Koran, now the Muslim guy is implying it included the book of isaiah. How Moses received a book that came 1000yrs after his death is a mystery.

Modern day Muslims are beginning to distort the Qur'an to fit their modern narrative since the ancient Muhammad written about in present Koran cannot be an ideal role model in today's world. It's only a matter of time they produce a new version of Qur'an.
Not only are they distorting their own Koran but they are lying against history to justify their religion. The Muslim guy lied that the Torah was a recent compilation. However, we know that the Torah was first recorded to have been compiled in 500bc which is 1000yrs b4 islam.

Go to 8.00 if u don't have patience to go through the whole video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vwKYPyVOxY

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jaephoenix:
Whoa. You ignored all the pertinent questions I asked you about yahweh's omniscience and ended with this? You even ignored the rebuttal about late cancers

Already answered. So I guess we done here.
The reason why we do this is not to change your mind-only holy ghost can do that, but to explain the things we believe.
Except its a novel or exceptional question, I will not reply to your mentions esp of it's repetitive or argumentative .

jaephoenix:
Right, this is getting interesting
So the same vile sodom and gomorrah folks are working for Noah? Okay.
So Yahweh ranched all the animals in the world together? Are you aware all the animals couldn't have fitted into that ark? How did yahweh do that too?

What has Sodom and Gomorrah got to do with the flood that happened almost 500years apart?
Only seven pair of clean and a pair of unclean animals made the ark. As I said it was a small boat.

jaephoenix:
Ok. Lemme refresh.
1. Who created the concept of death for sin? Yahweh. Is it possible for him to forgive as an omnibenevolent god? Yes. There you go! A god that does not want to forgive the sin of his creations but instead imposes the law that they die or he kills his own son to appease himself for their sins. DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHY HE IS NOT OMBIBENEVOLENT?

2. There is further indictment for Yahweh. He purportedly created humans and the earth, including evil too , so why is he angry at the outcome of his creations?
Besides he is omniscient so knows how Lucifer would deceive and con Adam via the tree of knowledge, yet he went ahead to create both Lucifer and the tree(he even gave the tree luscious fruits and kept it in the middle of the Garden where Adam and Eve would be able to admire it) and got angry when the inevitable happened.
3. You seem not to understand the plot. Yahweh knew all along that man would sin again after even after he destroys us with the flood. So why kill everyone in the first place? Why not kill his son first ab initio instead of the flood, since he is so bloodthirsty.
4. CAN AN OMNISCIENT AND ALL-KNOWING GOD REGRET ON HIS ACTIONS OR BE SURPRISED BY THE ACTIONS OF HIS CREATIONS?
As a rejoinder, if yahweh knows the exact number of people making heaven, why charge christians on the Great Commission to preach the gospel all over the world?

2,3, and 4 already answered. No need going around in circles. Check my previous posts.
God don't create evil, evil was as a result of earth's corruption.
1. Bible makes it clear that there's no forgiveness of sin without atonement by blood.

Nnamdiosu offers a good explanation here, hope.it helps.
Hello Richmond. Because your answer is genuine and you have expressed a honest desire to learn, I'll explain something's to you. I know God will enlighten you to understand.

Richmond, first off all there are laws, ancient laws that rule the universe, planets, spiritual realm and physical realm.
These Laws are older than the earth, and because they were in existence before even the earth was formed, we aren't fully in understanding of them all yet.


Sin is a serious issue. Spiritually it's like a capital crime in the spirit realm.

The same way a person commits a crime and is sentenced, that's the same way sin is treated.

Nothing that God created can die per say. Even we humans, we merly leave our physical bodies and move in the spiritual realm.

What God did to the world with water was just temporary solution. That's why after that, sin came again upon the world.

In the spiritual world, evil begets evil.
Good can't come from bad.
So when man sinned, all his descendants automatically become sinners because they all SHARE THE SAME BLOOD.
In the spiritual realm, sin can only be removed by blood equal to the species level of the sinner. That's why blood of goats can't purge sin.

The son of God, who came to died for man kind, was spiritually pure, so his blood was a perfect solution or substitute for the sin of all his specie type (humans).

The Armageddon that will befall the earth will occur primary because this world has been contaminated and needs cleansing .


I wrote a very interesting discourse on the topic above, from before the creation of man to the death if the son of God. Kindly read it and a lot of your questions will be answered.

jaephoenix:
Looks like you don't understand. Ok lemme break it down.
Before we are born, yahweh knows if we are gonna make heaven or not, right? And this(making or losing heaven) happens irrespective of whatever we do on earth: its our destiny, right?
So why watch us get born and give us this notion of 'freewill' when its already predetermined?

Already answered, no need going around in circles.
Just like TenQ said, u guys are confusing foreknowledge with destiny.

jaephoenix:
1. Bro, I brought scientifically diagnosed cases from medical journals because anyone can claim anything online (myself included). And that example is better than me saying I know so-so and so person who had spontaneous remission after a late prostate cancer that has metastasized to the lung or liver.
2. And yes lots of people get cured of cancers worldwide, not just in nigeria. Thanks to science and not yahweh.
3. So you're saying your index patient never had a drop of chemo or ray of radio? How was the diagnosis of the late cervical CA made?

Have u actually seen a case of advanced cervical cancer with fungating mass b4? Biopsy is for what u already know which we did anyway.
I already told u she had no chemo, radio or surgery.
Guy u are beginning to sound like those Pharisees in John 9 who were pestering that blind man who was healed by Jesus.
They wouldn't believe the poor guy but still wouldn't let him be.

jaephoenix:
That is why I asked you to define Destiny? Obviously you don't know what it is? Nigerian pastors have trusted that were beyond recognition.
This is the definition of destiny from Merriam-Webster.
1
: something to which a person or thing is destined : FORTUNE
wants to control his own destiny
2
: a predetermined course of events often held to be an irresistible power or agency
felt that destiny would determine their future
As you can see, its predetermined, meaning when one is born, what s/he'll be, his or her death age, wealthy or not, is already known and cannot be changed. No matter what s/he do.
I'm a fatalist atheist.
About African destiny, if its already pre-determined, then there's nothing you can do about it

Mr irreversible destiny, u are a closet Muslim. because this is what Muslims believe about life.
U are beating around the bush, u are still not clear. Come out plainly and answer this
Someone who died as an armed robber, was that his pre determined destiny when he was born?
A prostitute who ended up being murdered by her client, was that her predetermined destiny from day one of her life? To grow up and become a prostitute, nothing can change it?
Fatalist atheist? Are u kidding ? How can there be fatalism without an author or supernatural force. What's writing the script, why can't man change his choice based on his own life reflection. Why must u end up in the same circumstances irrespective of what u do? Seriously, I think u are lost.
Just like TenQ said, it's better we discuss philosophy with u guys than theology.

Africa has no hope and it's lost. Na wa o. No wonder u guys vote for irresponsible leaders since what will be will be. Maynman do you agree with him?
In that case, africans should sit their butt in Africa and stop migrating to place where they believe the prosperity and future of their countries is in their hands.