jaephoenix: Which atheist did you challenge and that ran away? You talked about a woman getting healed about stage 4 cervical CA and I gave you scientific evidence that many people irrespective of religion, race and nationality have spontaneous carcinomatous remission. Those people did not pray to any yahweh for healing, yet got healed. Is that too much for you to understand?
Spontaneous remission after receiving treatment. Atheists will do anything to win an argument.
jaephoenix: Thats a big lie. Pew research gotten from questionaires state there are more christian to atheist conversion, then christian to muslim conversion, than muslim to christian conversion. Stop all these lies
What red herring argument is this? Did I mention atheism. I was comparing 2 religions and next thing u jumped into it with your atheism strawman argument nobody discussed in the first place.
My highlighted clearly states man has a right to make a choice. Angels don't have that right- those that rebelled against God were sent to eternal damnation without any option of repentance or change of mind.
jaephoenix: 1. You said this Only spirit is from God, body is from earth and he gave man a soul. The soul isn't part of God. Adam had knowledge and intelligence that came from God. How was he able to tend the soil and gives names without knowledge. Man desired wisdom to make him like GOd, that was his greed. God doesn't think sin, it's against his nature. His thoughts for us are good and pure. Adam had the choice to either obey God and live or disobey him and accept the consequence. It had nothing to do with God.
[b]God is not responsible for the carnality of mankind. That was man's soul. [/b]Yes it's your right to disobey him and choose not to follow him. But remember there's judgement and it's his right to execute judgement the way he deems fit. If that's the case I wonder why we wasted 2 pages debating God's judgement on the disobedient souls in Noah's time. If it was their right to disobey God, why cry loud when God enforce his own right of judgment.
What does the bolded mean
My response was to this statement from u- 1. Dude, i thought u said it wasn't Yahweh that made the soul? I never said God didn't make soul as confirmed by my post. I said Yahweh made the soul and gave man. But its not part of God just like body. God doesn't have a soul or body.
From those bible versed I quoted, DOES YAHWEH KNOW EVERYTHING? No! If he did, why would he take Israel on a merry-go-round to ascertain if they really love him? He'll simply tell them straight-up from the beginning that he knows they are rebellious. If he's omniscient why would be tell Abraham to tie up his son, to sacrifice him, then stop him when he was about stabbing the poor terrified boy? What if his instructions to stop was too late, na so Abraham for stab the boy. An all knowing god would already know Abraham is loyal and tell him straight up. Do you understand now?
jaephoenix: Oh, Sweet Jesus! Did you read the bible verses where some people even said they dined with Yahweh face to face? Even Jacob fought him?
Already answered. U just going in circles. When God dwells in physical structures. People can see the physical body... tabernacle, ark, man, burning fire...
jaephoenix: Now this cracked me up Youre telling an atheist he wants to escape judgment. This is like telling a christian that he'll burn in Niflheim(Viking hell) when he doesn't believe in it. Just save your precious breath. You probably don’t know who an atheist is
LottiOk: @Jeaphionixe u 2 much!!! Pepper 🌶️ dem with civility as u give dem logical uppercuts dat knocks senses into dem. See dem runaway shamelessly like whooped puppies 😅😂🤣 Dey can't even face u in a simple debate without insults & threats( regular thesists M.O). I can just imagine how dey lothe u RN.
If only dey cud realize how wrong dey r RN
Your atheist friend that believes in irreversible destiny. That a child is born with his or her destiny that can never be changed. If that makes sense to you, then I will presume both of you are actually idol worshippers or closet Muslims.
sonmvayina: Show me one place God spoke in the Christian Bible (new testament)..
I will wait
John 12.27-28 Now my soul is troubled, and what shall I say? ‘Father, save me from this hour’? No, it was for this very reason I came to this hour. 28 Father, glorify your name!”
Then a voice came from heaven, “I have glorified it, and will glorify it again.”
Mark 1.9-11 9 At that time Jesus came from Nazareth in Galilee and was baptized by John in the Jordan. 10 Just as Jesus was coming up out of the water, he saw heaven being torn open and the Spirit descending on him like a dove. 11 And a voice came from heaven: “You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.”
[quote author=advocatejare post=122720658][/quote]Muslims biggest enemy is a Christian who understands Arabic. The thing dey vex them. See how one of their popular sheik on youtube, uthman ibn Farooq was roasted by an Arabic Christian. He finally admitted he wasnt a scholar to avoid further embarrassment.
How on earth you want them to understand that they have goofed in their understanding that Foreknowledge is different from Predestination How can they be made to understand that God being JUST prevent him from Predestinating anyone for heaven or hell. How do you want to explain that FREEWILL and predestination does not go together!
You can debate Atheists on Philosophy or Logic or Science BUT it is a waste of Everything to debate Scriptures or Religion with them.
advocatejare: He has gone to find solace in the bed of his fellow atheist.
Even Lukuluku69 has been mute since yesterday after I exposed the truth about the worse of mankind false prophet that he follows
Na so he lukuluku69 carry Isaiah 42 and Daniel 7 come challenge me say Muhammad dey inside. I asked him if Muhammad allows singing in Islam or he's ever called son of man, he said I'm a baby Christian. Pls if u see him, help me ask the questions again. Maybe he will answer u mature Christians. Next he will bring Isaiah 29 or John 14.
I know what u and maynman are trying to do. U people are looking for excuse not to be held responsible for your bad choices. By claiming your destiny is irreversible then u can blame the creator for giving u a bad script to play out. Let me tell u the truth, disobedient children will not escape judgement. Adam tried that script with God in Eden, when he blamed his woes on the woman 'God gave him'. God didn't reply him but went straight to judgement. That's how it's going to be for all rebellious souls.
jaephoenix: He's giving an example. An all-knowing god would know your next move. He won't be guessing whether you'll be good or bad. Explain these verses ◄ Genesis 22:12 ► “Do not lay a hand on the boy,” he said. “Do not do anything to him. Now I know that you fear God, because you have not withheld from me your son, your only son.
◄ Deuteronomy 8:2 ► Remember how the LORD your God led you all the way in the wilderness these forty years, to humble and test you in order to know what was in your heart, whether or not you would keep his commands.
◄ Deuteronomy 13:3 ► you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The LORD your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul
Do they depict an omniscient god who knows the end from the beginning
I think this has to do with choices made man Already answered. No need going around in circles. The problem is you and maynman wants the redefine definition of all knowing God.
jaephoenix: 1. Dude, i thought u said it wasn't Yahweh that made the soul? 2. Why did Yahweh create the tree of evil? And not only that, put it in the middle of the garden right where Adam would be admiring it?
1. Where did I say that? Read my definition of man. 2. Our duty as man is not to ask questions but to obey God. A creature shouldn't be questioning his creator. Each time we obey God it gladens him and releases power for us to fulfil purpose. That's what is expected of Adam in the Garden.
jaephoenix: I'm sorry to say this. But this doesn't make sense. Lets give an example. I (Yahweh) know (not guessed) that my child(mankind) would run through the sitting room and not the kitchen, to meet me. Now I know he's going through the sitting room and not the kitchen, even if the kitchen is nearer to him. IT'S HIS DESTINY TO GO THROUGH THE SITTING ROOM he can't change it.
I sincerely don't understand what u trying to pass across here. Makes no sense to me.
jaephoenix: Actually its christians that dont understand what destiny is. It doesn't change. What you're destined for is irreversible
U will have to give me your definition of destiny because this irreversible destiny makes me doubt u are atheist. Are u telling me a child born today has his destiny already fixed and nothing can change it. You mean a child that doesn't even understand any sense of danger is already destined to be an armed robber or prostitute in life. And there's nothing he/she can do about it. Even, if I'm not a Christian, I will never believe we come from some where to fulfil a definite script in life. Irreversible destiny is nonsense. Family, genetics and environment determines our personality and greatly influence our future outcomes. A child who grew up in a loving home with 2 parents, went to good schools and raised in a conducive environment will likely succeed in life compared to someone lacking above. Go to prison and check the backgrounds of the inmates, it look similar - dysfunctional homes, poor education, grew up in bad neighborhood. Guy, there's nothing like irreversible destiny. It's the choices u make today reflects on your tomorrow. So if we have irreversible destiny, then Africa is destined to be forever poor, poverty infested, plagued with wars and famine and nothing Africans can do about it
jaephoenix: Bro, the study of spontaneous remissions in carcinomas has been ongoing for decades. Many physicians worldwide have observed it and there are many well documented cases. It has absolutely no relationship with any religion, race or regions. And definitely not caused by Yahweh. Like I said twice before, there are many things we don't understand about cancers which come to light daily. I'll post some links about reported cases here. This is from an Oncology journal https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.annalsofoncology.org/article/S0923-7534(19)63993-1/pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjGycat5L_-AhWNxQIHHTLgCGcQFnoECCUQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3Ab6t0_He-TofYi8RSWUzo
The pdf reads… Spontaneous remission of cancer (SR) is defined as a complete or partial, temporary or permanent disappearance of all or at least some relevant parameters of a soundly diagnosed malig- nant disease without any medical treatment or with treatment that is considered inadequate to produce the resulting regres- sion. We report the case of a 61-year-old man who presented with extensive metatastic disease five months after pneumo- nectomy for poorly differentiated large cell and polymorphic lung cancer. A vast metastatic tumour mass of the abdominal wall was confirmed histolologically and there was clinical and radiographic evidence of liver and lung metastases. Eight months later, the patient was operated on for a hernia, which had developed in the inguinal biopsy scar and the surgeon confirmed complete clinical SR of the abdominal wall metas- tases. Again five months later there was no longer any radio- logic evidence of liver and lung metastases. Complete remis- sion has persisted more than five years. Histology of the primary and of the abdominal metastases were reviewed by several independent pathologists. SR is an extremly rare event in lung cancer. This is the first documented case of clinically evident visceral metastases of a bronchiogenic adenocarci- noma developing after complete resection of the primary and then showing complete SR. The epidemiology of SR is reviewed and possible mechanisms involved in SR are dis- cussed.
All the above from scientific Journals, not hearsays My point is spontaneous remissions occur whether people pray to your Yahweh or not. Get that
If this is the best u can come up as evidence. Then u may not have managed lots of cancer pxt. That u even have to Google this up is funny, something that's quite common. Metastatic cancer is no longer death sentence compared to 1-2 decades ago. One of my patient diagnosed of advanced squamous cell cancer of the mandible has now been told he's cancer free. He had palliative radiotherapy last yr because they couldn't do surgery- tumour was too advance. Now the oncologist had written that he should be removed from cancer register because the cancer is cleared. I can't count cases like above I've encountered. My own case is a woman who had fungating advanced cancer and it regressed without any treatment. So convenient it disappeared after meeting a man of God. Ok let me be lenient. Post me cases of confirmed cancer diagnosis that regressed without treatment. Let's leave metastasis out of it.
jaephoenix: Lol. You still dont understand. IF YAHWEH KNOWS THE INDIVIDUALS THAT MAKE UP THE TOTAL NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD MAKE HEAVEN, WHAT'S THE USE OF GIVING US FREE WILL?
God sees all mankind in heaven. That's your final destination if you follow his will. It's your choice not to make heaven, he can't drag u to where u don't want to go.
jaephoenix: 1. It wasn't mentioned anywhere in the bible that Yahweh warned the whole world 2. Can 2 men chop up and carry large trees? How did Noah get all they animals in the world, from polar bears, T-rexes, mammoths etc?
He could have used the services of craftsmen willing to work in exchange for wages. God's divine calling, the animals answered to the call of their creator. Just like Jesus called forth the fishes into Peter's net. Luk 5.4-6
jaephoenix: I said this How can you say they were taken out of context when you didn't even bother to read it due to its length? You say the bible is not the direct word of God but the same god said these And you didn't reply.
Also we have been asking you why an omniscient god would be surprised or regret, but youve been dodging that
Check fzmasterx response and my response to mayman. Most questions already answered, no need going on repetition. Quote the direct word of God here. Can't go back and start searching, too many posts. God doesn't sit a prophet down and tell him what to write verbatim, maybe with exception of Moses which he spoke with face to face. Numbers 12.8 God send his message in the spirit and the prophet delivers them in expressed languages that can't fully comprehend God's ways and thoughts, but the core message isn't lost which is the actual word of God, not the phrases or sentences used. That's why u read the bible in context.
Lukuluku69: After this no more, live with your ignorance. Go thru Isaiah 42 and apply every single verse to the life of Jesus as recorded in your Bible and see if they fit.
And let me ask,
1. Was Jesus a Servant of God and no longer his Son and God himself again in order to claim Isaiah 42 for him?
2. Did your Jesus ever lived or preached amongst Arabs ( The villages of KEDAR)?
Muhammad can't be spoken about in Isaiah 42 because he didn't fulfil the FF highlighted verses
Here is my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen one in whom I delight; I will put my Spirit on him, and he will bring justice to the nations. 2 He will not shout or cry out, or raise his voice in the streets. 3A bruised reed he will not break, and a smoldering wick he will not snuff out. In faithfulness he will bring forth justice; 4 he will not falter or be discouraged till he establishes justice on earth. In his teaching the islands will put their hope.”
5 This is what God the Lord says— the Creator of the heavens, who stretches them out, who spreads out the earth with all that springs from it, who gives breath to its people, and life to those who walk on it: 6 “I, the Lord, have called you in righteousness; I will take hold of your hand. I will keep you and will make you to be a covenant for the people and a light for the Gentiles, 7 to open eyes that are blind, to free captives from prison and to release from the dungeon those who sit in darkness.
8 “I am the Lord; that is my name! I will not yield my glory to another or my praise to idols. 9 See, the former things have taken place, and new things I declare; before they spring into being I announce them to you.”
Song of Praise to the Lord 10 Sing to the Lord a new song, his praise from the ends of the earth, you who go down to the sea, and all that is in it, you islands, and all who live in them. 11 Let the wilderness and its towns raise their voices; let the settlements where Kedar lives rejoice. Let the people of Sela sing for joy; let them shout from the mountaintops. 12 Let them give glory to the Lord and proclaim his praise in the islands. 13 The Lord will march out like a champion, like a warrior he will stir up his zeal; with a shout he will raise the battle cry and will triumph over his enemies.
Muhammed never claimed the spirit of God was in him. v1b Muhammed killed both in times of war and peace. He equally encouraged and approved of his followers to kill on times of war and peace. v 2-3 Muhammed contemplated suicide multiple times because he was discouraged. v4 Muhammed didn't bring a new covenant, he never said that. Instead he said Jews should follow the Torah and Christians follow the gospel. v6 Muhammed never healed the blind, at least not in the Koran. Instead, he plucked out the eyes of people accused of stealing his donkeys. v7 Muhammad never claimed to be God or posses his divinity. v8 Muhammed banned singing in Islam. He instead murdered praise singers when he entered Mecca. v10
Verse 10 to 13 is about singing praise to YAHWEH. It mentions glorious adoration from all people surrounding Jerusalem including the Kedah wilderness in the east.
How Isaiah 42 is about Muhammad because of a single word is the most baffling statements made from Muslims.
Lukuluku69: After this no more, live with your ignorance. Go thru Isaiah 42 and apply every single verse to the life of Jesus as recorded in your Bible and see if they fit.
And let me ask,
1. Was Jesus a Servant of God and no longer his Son and God himself again in order to claim Isaiah 42 for him?
2. Did your Jesus ever lived or preached amongst Arabs ( The villages of KEDAR)?
1. just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.” Matthew 20.28 When God raised up his servant, he sent him first to you, to bless you by turning each one of you from your wicked ways.” acts 3.26
2. This need no response at all but this And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. Mark 16.15
Lukuluku69: Go and read Daniel Chapter 7. If you have issues deciphering it, mention me.
So which of the 4 beasts is Muhammad because he can't be the son of man approaching the ancient of days- he was never called that while on earth. Well it doesn't matter since they were crushed by the son of man which is Jesus Christ.
Lukuluku69: Habakkuk 3:1-19 (KJV) A prayer of Habakkuk the prophet upon Shigionoth. O LORD, I have heard thy speech, and was afraid: O LORD, revive thy work in the midst of the years, in the midst of the years make known; in wrath remember mercy. God came from Teman, and the Holy One from mount Paran. Selah. His glory covered the heavens, and the earth was full of his praise. And his brightness was as the light; he had horns coming out of his hand: and there was the hiding of his power. Before him went the pestilence, and burning coals went forth at his feet. He stood, and measured the earth: he beheld, and drove asunder the nations; and the everlasting mountains were scattered, the perpetual hills did bow: his ways are everlasting. I saw the tents of Cushan in affliction: and the curtains of the land of Midian did tremble. Was the LORD displeased against the rivers? was thine anger against the rivers? was thy wrath against the sea, that thou didst ride upon thine horses and thy chariots of salvation? Thy bow was made quite naked, according to the oaths of the tribes, even thy word. Selah. Thou didst cleave the earth with rivers. The mountains saw thee, and they trembled: the overflowing of the water passed by: the deep uttered his voice, and lifted up his hands on high. The sun and moon stood still in their habitation: at the light of thine arrows they went, and at the shining of thy glittering spear. Thou didst march through the land in indignation, thou didst thresh the heathen in anger. Thou wentest forth for the salvation of thy people, even for salvation with thine anointed; thou woundedst the head out of the house of the wicked, by discovering the foundation unto the neck. Selah. Thou didst strike through with his staves the head of his villages: they came out as a whirlwind to scatter me: their rejoicing was as to devour the poor secretly. Thou didst walk through the sea with thine horses, through the heap of great waters. When I heard, my belly trembled; my lips quivered at the voice: rottenness entered into my bones, and I trembled in myself, that I might rest in the day of trouble: when he cometh up unto the people, he will invade them with his troops. Although the fig tree shall not blossom, neither shall fruit be in the vines; the labour of the olive shall fail, and the fields shall yield no meat; the flock shall be cut off from the fold, and there shall be no herd in the stalls: Yet I will rejoice in the LORD, I will joy in the God of my salvation. The LORD God is my strength, and he will make my feet like hinds' feet, and he will make me to walk upon mine high places. To the chief singer on my stringed instruments.
Oga leave the bible alone. Tell me about Muhammad's prophesy in the Koran. U Muslims are confused lots. U boast Koran is the perfect book for mankind. Yet it's not complete without the hadiths. But since the hadiths are weak, u need the tafsirs to reinterprete the Koran. But since above can't sufficiently explain how Muhammad is from God or where Allah came from, u have to run to the bible which u guys claim has been corrupted. It's the people u deceive I pity.
Lukuluku69: Isaiah 42:1-25 (KJV) Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street. A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth. He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law. Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them. Sing unto the LORD a new song, and his praise from the end of the earth, ye that go down to the sea, and all that is therein; the isles, and the inhabitants thereof. Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voice, the villages that Kedar doth inhabit: let the inhabitants of the rock sing, let them shout from the top of the mountains. Let them give glory unto the LORD, and declare his praise in the islands. The LORD shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies. I have long time holden my peace; I have been still, and refrained myself: now will I cry like a travailing woman; I will destroy and devour at once. I will make waste mountains and hills, and dry up all their herbs; and I will make the rivers islands, and I will dry up the pools. And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them. They shall be turned back, they shall be greatly ashamed, that trust in graven images, that say to the molten images, Ye are our gods. Hear, ye deaf; and look, ye blind, that ye may see. Who is blind, but my servant? or deaf, as my messenger that I sent? who is blind as he that is perfect, and blind as the LORD'S servant? Seeing many things, but thou observest not; opening the ears, but he heareth not. The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable. But this is a people robbed and spoiled; they are all of them snared in holes, and they are hid in prison houses: they are for a prey, and none delivereth; for a spoil, and none saith, Restore. Who among you will give ear to this? who will hearken and hear for the time to come? Who gave Jacob for a spoil, and Israel to the robbers? did not the LORD, he against whom we have sinned? for they would not walk in his ways, neither were they obedient unto his law. Therefore he hath poured upon him the fury of his anger, and the strength of battle: and it hath set him on fire round about, yet he knew not; and it burned him, yet he laid it not to heart.[/b]
If you need help understanding the above, say so.
Also, Miracles is Solely not a TRUE measure of a Prophet, False Prophets can perform them too.
Ok I understand u now. u are one of those Muslims looking for Muhammad in the bible. If I take u on Isaiah 42, u will declare your imams as frauds for lying to u this donkey years. Isaiah 42 is about Jesus Christ.
Lukuluku69: From the way your right, clearly I can deduce that your still a babe in the knowledge of the Bible. So, I will go easy on you.
You raised many incoherent jargons in your post, and like I said, I will let it pass. You are simply ignorant.
If you want to know how Islam is spreading, you have a Device and you have Internet connection, then go do some research.
U are meant to correct ignorance. Show me the prophesy and miracles of Muhammad. Show me that of his followers. It's not too much to ask. Refute my ignorance.
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