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jaephoenix:
So if a Bible writer say Yahweh is refreshing then they are using words the way they understand?
So why did the bible claim its word is breathed by god when in fact it was all written by man? Isn't that criminal?

It meant inspired by God.

jaephoenix:
I know all that. So why didn't god smite him?

We are in the dispensation of grace.

jaephoenix:
The cloud and pillar are not inside the ark. They are outside and can be physically seen. The Ark of the Covenant is a gold-plated wooden chest that, in Jewish and Christian tradition, houses the two tablets bearing the Ten Commandments that were given to Moses by Yahweh.
So I don't even know what you're on about

The presence of God resides in them. That's his glory.
That's why people who touch the ark or enter the tabernacle without authority to do so are struck dead.

Maynman:
If he gave you freewill how did he know your choice before you made it?

because he knows your heart and thoughts.
Answer to one of your previous post- God created only good desires for humanity. Evil desires came up when man fell and sin entered the world.

jaephoenix:
Bro if you have been following my posts, I said remissions happen to everyone, including Muslims, Atheists etc, those that never prayed to Yahweh. So I don't understand what you are pointing at. Its not Yahweh that caused it. I told you that we scientists don't understand everything about these diseases, especially mitotic lesions

Give me evidence of a metastatic fungating cervical cancer that went into full remission, without any form of therapy.
Post the evidence here, I will like to see it.

Maynman:
Then, if God created man's eyes, legs and mind, he also created man's desires; all his desires, even his desire for knowledge and sex. Why did man sin?


Yahweh is all knowing yet you have freewill?
It seems you are only acting the script yahweh already wrote about your past, present and future, and brainwashed to believe you are under the pretense of freewill.

Yahweh knew Adam would sin, he plotted the scene lol

Your choice is within his knowledge not outside. nothing u do takes him by surprise. Maybe another time I will tell u why he gave us freewill/choice in the first place.
Goodnight.

Maynman:
Did everything that is part of man come from God?

But your decision even before you made it has already been known by your omniscience god, he knows the beginning and end. how did he know that if you are yet to make your decision?

Yes but only the spirit is made in his image.
Omniscience means all-knowing. God is all all-knowing in the sense that he is aware of the past, present, and future. Nothing takes him by surprise. His knowledge is total. He knows all that there is to know and all that can be known.
Do u know God has numbers for each strand of our hair. He's aware of that leaves that dropped off the branch in the thickest forest. There's no choice u make that's he's not aware.

Maynman:
Who created man’s nature?
Since we have a choice, how did Yahweh know your choice from beginning?

Man was made in the image.of God- spirit. But it's the soul that's responsible for the decision making
Because he's omniscient. He knows end right from the beginning Isaiah 46.10

jaephoenix:
You're further indicting Yahweh and committing heresy. You're simply saying Yahweh is not omniscient

Your mentions too many to keep up. Same thing dancing around in circles. Now u ve jumped to original sin and why Christ didn't come earlier.
Let me ask you question. if Christ had come b4 the flood, what would have changed? Are u assuming there will be no judgement because Christ came earlier. Now that he had come, are u aware Jesus is coming back to enforce justice on the disobedient like yourself.
Christ came at the right time, when man had realised the carnal flesh cannot successfully fulfill the law, thus appreciating the work of Christ on the cross.

Finally u and maynman need to understand God has given man a choice via his soul. God made man with his own independent will- God will not make a decision for man.
Whatever decision man makes, God knows the outcome right from the beginning, but God will not force his will on mankind even if it's self destructive. You have to responsible for the choice u make so u can be rightly judged.
That's what set man apart and unique from other God's creation like angels, the right to make a choice- freewill.

After the flood, man had 2 choices, to repent and obey God or to revert to their evil ways of disobedience.
Your erroneous assumption here is to conclude God should know they will continue to sin so the previous judgement was a waste.
But even if God judges the world a million times, the next man would still be given that right to make a choice of who to follow. That's why he's a man and that's the only way his impending judgement can be deemed fair.
Understanding above answers a lot of your other questions.

jaephoenix:
Interesting
1. So how is this physical man that those people saw? Did any of them describe him? How did you SirTee know as a fact that they saw a physical man?

because bible called who they saw Man. In case of Moses and the elders, they saw the feet of the physical image of God and they described it, they also had a meal together.

jaephoenix:
2. How did those people know that this physical man was in fact god?

because God revealed himself to them.

jaephoenix:
3. Look at this
◄ Genesis 32:30 ►
So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, “It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared
Its obvious Jacob saw yahweh and lived even though he knows its a death sentence. Why was he spared?

Already answered. U are very dishonest here.

Maynman:
One Good fellow on earth How did you know, which area was noah situated?

Bible said so, noah was the only righteous man on earth at that time. For all the people had corrupted their ways and became very violent. Gen 6.12.

Maynman:
How many continents did they say he reach to warn them?

Did I mention noah warned anybody?

Maynman:
Your sambiasa analogy lacks zero sense.

Of course it will. Who will want his head chopped off on a block. I doubt u will last a day in the midst of those hyenas. The era of noah was hundred times worse.

Maynman:
Are you saying the rate of violence now is lesser than before because of the flood?

Yes, we sure have more than one righteous man now. And men of good morals abound.

Maynman:
If everyone around noah was evil and scheming wickedness, how was noah and his family alive?

God protected Noah.

Maynman:
How was noah able to successfully build the boat/ship?

it was a small boat and it took him 50 years to build. That was enough time for couple of guys and women to finish the work.

Maynman:
Allah and Elohim means same thing, yahweh was an orphan god that was adopted by the Israelites from shasu tribe.
In arabic, god means allah and it’s same with Hebrew elohim.

The quran uses the same god of tanakh and Old Testament z

Ok I have heard u.
But I will like to discuss initial post with someone else.
Thanks.

Maynman:
It does. “Allah is the same person as Muhammed. If u know, u know.“
So Elohim and muhammed are the same?

You should direct your reference to the Quran on who spoke to mohammed.

Hope you know that your Old Testament belongs to judaism and they call it tanakh, christians borrowed it from them.
Most of what is written in tanakh especially torah is found in the quran and christian bible.

Allah is not Elohim. Allah was a vague god in pre Islamic Arabia who had three daughters and considered god of rain.
Muhammad made him God Almighty.
I don't know what u getting on about tanakh or Torah. Did I ever argue that with u?

Maynman:
Elohim means gods in hebrew and it’s always plural.
Eloah is the singular.
Allah and Elohim means same thing and they are titles given to deities.
the language jesus spoke in NT is aramaic, and Aramaic, arabic and hebrew all come from semitic language.

Yahweh is the god of the Israelite of course he is in the tanakh.

Ok but above has absolutely nothing to do with my initial post.
My reference is to who spoke to Muhammad?

jaephoenix:
Lol. This is just a perfect Ignorance of Obfuscation statement. Obviously you're intent on dodging questions here. You dodged some from me and now dodging some more questions.

What did I dodge from u or u avoided some of mine.

jaephoenix:
This tower of Babel story always crack me up whenever I hear it. Yahweh was hoping mad when they wanted to create a tower that is maybe 100 feet high. So what is he doing now folks are building skyscrapers and worse still, bursting out of the sky and hiking to the moon? Is he gonna have an apoplexy?

Read my post with comprehension then come back and discuss

Maynman:
You this ignorant lady, Elohim means gods in hebrew.
Your Old Testament was written in Hebrew, if you want to know what Elohim means you find out from the Hebrew language.
The same way Elohim is the hebrew word for god, allah is the arabic word for god.
The christian god is yahweh, he is an Elohim, moloch is also an elohim, baal is also an Elohim, the father of all Elohim is El.

Spirit means breathe. Save yourself from ignorance.

Elohim and Allah means same thing just different languages but from the same parent language. (Semetic).

What did I say that's different. I wrote hebrew word for God is elohim. Yes it could be plural or singular depending on context. The verb qualifies it.
Actually it's Aramaic and Arabic that are closely related not Hebrew.
What's the aramaic word for God? That's the one similar to Allah.
Seriously the Christian God is Yahweh? Are u saying Yahweh isn't in the old testament. Yahweh is the personal name the ancient nation of Israel call God.

jaephoenix:
1. You said all I said was speculation? How do you know?
2. I know stage 4 CAs falls into palliative care. But they still receive chemo and radio. My question is was she on those treatments before they took her away?

2. Nope.
But common be real. So u expecting chemo and radio to do the magic for a metastatic cancer. It makes them worse if anything. Esp in Nigeria where adjuvant treatment support is poor.
Look here, the woman has received her healing, let's move on.
I can tell u another one I witnessed in uch if u interested. I get them plenty for pocket. MIRACLE IS REAL.

Maynman:
Allah and Elohim means same thing, Elohim means gods, the father of all gods is El.
What does “spirit and invisible” mean? All these formulated terminologies that makes no sense. Instead of you to have knowledge on what you are saying you’d rather regurgitate what your shepherds told you.

“Elohim is a spirit and invisible.“lol

U this girl follow me reach here
Elohim is the Hebrew word for God. I get my understanding of him in the bible. If u want to discuss elohim with me pls use the bible, otherwise I'm not interested.
God is a spirit and those that worship him must worship in spirit and in truth. John 4.24

Maynman:
Do you know that allah and elohim means same thing, so mohammed is elohim?
Bwahahahah

Which Allah and elohim is the same. Allah that has two big hands and occupy space as his divine nature.
Elohim is a spirit and invisible.

Maynman:
Mohammed father name is Abd Allah bin Al-Muttalib.
Abdulahi means slave of Allah.
Seems “Allah” existed before mohammed was born.

I mean the deity worshiped in the Koran.
The one Muhammed said spoke to him.
Are u a Muslim? I thought u are atheist or agnostics or something.
No one spoke to Muhammad, he is the same person as Allah.
Even feminist Aishat finally decoded the trick. That was why she had the confidence to destroy some parts of the Koran kept under her custody, then claimed a goat entered her room and ate them.

Allah is the same as Muhammed. If u know, u know.

jaephoenix:
1. How do you know Yahweh still interacts with lightning and thunder? Has he been doing such with you?
2. I'm sure you must have seen or heard several people commit all sorts of crimes ranging from fornication or adultery to murder, and then claim they had an unction from the holy spirit to do it. Does your holy spirit authorize such? If you say no, then you're saying that such 'unctions' can be faked.
3. No problem if you don't wanna talk about your work
4. About the stage 4 cervical CA, I have some questions
A. Which hospital was that?
B. Was she on chemo/radio?
C. Was a debulking op done on her?

Let's just go to number 4. The rest are mere speculations from your sides.
Why do you want to know the hospital. Do u know any Nigerian hosp that has successfully managed a stage 4 advanced cervical cancer.

Radio or chemo in benue state for stage 4 cervical cancer. I want to believe u work in a teaching hospital in Nigeria where u people just throw everything at patient anyhow. Someone that's dying, u will be telling the family to pay 100k for ICU, 50k for CT scan, 100k for theatre.
That's not how general or private hospital operates. She was referred anyway but didn't go.

That's what we offered her but when we explained to family it's just to reduce the fungating smell and help with quality of life but not really to cure the cancer, they took her away.

Maynman:
Post the previous post yourself and let’s see how an omniscience god is regretting.

Also, the flood is to save humanity from what?
How effective is the warning for future generations now?
“AFTER the flood, humanity ONCE AGAIN pressed the self destruct button in a mighty hunter called Nimrod.”

If it doesn't bother u that there was only one good fellow on earth at a particular time, then it showed u just here to argue blindly.
I asked If u could survive in sambisa as the only good person, u avoided the question.
Someone like u will start shouting insecurity in Nigeria when it's only sporadic cases of kidnapping, armed robbery and thuggery. But Noah lived in an era when everyone around him was evil and scheming wickedness.
U kept hammering on a needless point instead of reading gen 11.6 as I instructed u.
Pls don't expect a response from me anymore unless your argument is constructive. From conspiracy theories to sounding like a playing cracked disc.

Maynman:
“AFTER the flood, humanity ONCE AGAIN pressed the self destruct button in a mighty hunter called Nimrod.”

Only if your god was omniscience he won’t have flooded and murdered humanity knowing the flood plan was ineffective.

Is that the previous post I referred u to or u just want to argue?

Maynman:
Only if your god was omniscience he won’t have flooded and murdered humanity knowing the flood plan was ineffective.

Read my previous post with comprehension and then Gen 11.6.

Maynman:
save humanity from what?
How effective is the warning for future generations now?

I'm sure if they tell u to go and live in sambisa, u will rather take the alternative no matter denigrating it is. Good thing is places like sambisa is less than 5% of the whole earth. That shows u how humanity is different from the time of Noah when only one man was a good person.

After the flood, humanity once again pressed the self destruct button in a mighty hunter called Nimrod. His generation disobeyed God's command to replenish and multiply on the earth, a command he gave after the flood.
Instead, humanity gathered together in babel and wanted to build a legacy for themselves which would prevent them from scattering over the face of the earth. Gen 11.4
God knew this action is not only disobedience and rebellion, but also the beginning of their lack of restrain of whatever they imagine themselves to do Gen 11.6.
But God had already promised not to wipe off humanity again. Rather than allow men wallow in wickedness and sin, He scattered them from there all over the earth by forcing people of different languages to live apart. Gen 11.8-9

jaephoenix:
1. You're repeating the regular excuses christians give even though you didn't even bother to read them. I initially didn’t want to create this topic because the errors were many, but a Christian in another thread challenged me and said the Bible is perfect, and urged me to create a topic about it if I have any evidence. So I did it. And the problem is that's not all of the errors. Its now 2 days and that same christian that prompted me to put up the topic hasn't even responded.
2. How can you say they were taken out of context when you didn't even bother to read it due to its length? You say the bible is not the direct word of God but the same god said these…

2 Timothy 3:16-17
All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work.

Jeremiah 36:2
Take a scroll and write on it all the words which I have spoken to you concerning Israel and concerning Judah, and concerning all the nations, from the day I first spoke to you, from the days of Josiah, even to this day

Exodus 24:3-4
Moses came and told the people all the words of the Lord and all the rules. And all the people answered with one voice and said, “All the words that the Lord has spoken we will do.” And Moses wrote down all the words of the Lord

Why are you christians quick to throw the Bible under the bus when its being scrutinized? . 2 christians have already done so in this thread. Why? Without this same Bible would you have known about Yahweh?

3. I have had a few discourse with someone before you. You can start from those ones he highlighted and debate, since they are specific.

4. So yahweh knew man would still fall into sin again after he previously destroyed the earth for being sinful. So why destroy the earth in the first place? Looks like he is a trigger happy god

Yes God loves us but also chastise us. He whom God loves, he chastens and scourge whom he receives. Hebrew 12.6
Moreover, the wages of sin is death- either physical or spiritual and God will certainly pass judgement against those who disobey him.
GOD wont stand by and allow corruption engulfs that which he created. That's exactly what happened during the time of the flood.

The earth was populated by Nephilim in those days, they were giants, powerful people and men of renown. Unfortunately, their inclination was perpetually towards evil, their wickedness completely dominated humanity.
Gen 6.5 states 'every thought of the human heart was only evil all the time'. So bad there was only one righteous man on earth- Noah.
It was nothing like what we have today- I'm sure you wont want to live in such civilisation. Ordinary boko haram, Nigeria was already on fire.

God initial judgement was to limit the age of mankind to 120 yrs hoping this will trigger repentance, but they were unperturbed, the corruption continued. It was obvious humanity will be lost if God didn't intervene and initiate a fresh start.

The story of the flood is not about God eradicating sin but saving humanity. It's also to serve as a warning for future generation of GOD'S judgement and to take a cue from the evil inclination of 'sons of GOD' in ancient times. Humans must understand their impending doom if we do not comprehend the need for repentance and salvation. 1 Cor 10.11, Mat 24.37-39.

Maynman:
Who changed jacob name to IsraEL?

Madam I don't do conspiracy theories. U barking at the wrong tree.

jaephoenix:
1. Why does Yahweh use thunder and lightning to speak to people in the bible, but now only speaks personally these days? Why does he appear to people back then but nobody dey see him brake lights these days? Why does he display his might by sending down fire from heaven but these days its a problem?
Now you're using jargons like Rhema which is a term many Christians call different things. With all this rhema have you seen an amputee limb regrow?
2. About your question, I haven't seen any life miracle. And yes also I work in the medical field. I'm a 17 year post housejob physician and yet haven't seen any of the miracle you talk about. Diseases relapse and regress, and it doesn't have any supernatural connotations because it also happens to non-christians and people that don't pray to your god. And also those cancer remissions can also relapse. And we don't know everything about diseases. We are still researching.
Please which specific medical field are you in?
3. We're used to being called foolish because we don't acknowledge your god. Yet the joke is on you

How do u know God doesn't use lightning and thunder to communicate his words. Have u spoken to all men of God today to confirm?
Besides in the new covenant we now have the holy spirit in us that constantly communicates. We don't have to wait for rain like sango worshippers b4 hearing from God. That's the privilege we enjoy but absent in the old covenant. The spirit actually has to descend to communicate to the prophets.

I don't need to disclose my field of work.

But explain to me this so called cancer regression in an elderly woman with advanced fungating stage 4 cervical cancer with cachetic body. If u have actually been with someone described above, u will know how badly they smell that they are normally isolated on the ward.
This was a woman I saw few months later and was completely healthy. I didn't even recognise her.
I was using style to ask her daughter who was with her how's her mum because I believed she would have been dead. Only for her to tell me the person I'm asking after is actually the one beside her. To say I was shocked was an understatement.
This happened in Benue state. She was taken to a popular man of God in NIgeria for prayers. My opinion of that man of God changed after that experience.

Maynman:
Rhema and logos are COMMON greek words and has nothing to do with yahweh.

I'm talking about their usage in Christian theology.