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jaephoenix:
1. We are talking of dictionary definitions not political views and actions
2. I have done that a long time ago

The same reason it makes no sense to bring dictionary to Christian theology.

jaephoenix:
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, above is the reason why education and not religion is pertinent to a nation's growth.
Destiny clearly means a predetermined ending. Not controlled by oneself or others. But this brainwashed dude still cannot accept it. He prefers what his pastor told him. I can decide to train my kids to be good people but they end up as robbers. My own parents are both pentecostal christians, they strongly want me to be like them. They trained me with daily bible recitals, bible study classes etc. Did it pan out like that? Unfortunately no. Why? Its my destiny to be an atheist at this point in my life. Note: I may turn out to be a chrissie later in life by some classic twist of fate. I don't know for sure. No one knows for sure.
You cannot know for sure what a child would end up to be. A professor, pastor or wealthy politician can have armed robber kids. This can happen by a twist of fate AKA destiny. Did the kid wish it that way initially? Probably not! My 10 year old bible totting self(steeped in Scripture Union) wouldn't wish to be an atheist but here I am. IT'S ALL DESTINY
And what has destiny gotta do with crime rates in Saudi and Norway? You well so?

If u consider this a reasonable response, then u lost.
How many children of professors end up as criminals compared to children from dysfunctional home with poor upbringing.
God has a wonderful plan for every child. The thought he has for us is good and not of evil. He has no plan for any child to become a robber or prostitute.
Whatever force u following is sick and it's eating u up.
Even if I'm not a Christian, I will never believe in a fixed destiny, it's nonsense.
So if u have a crystal ball that tells u your kids will end up as robbers as adults, will u continue to waste money on them ?
Why is there no prostitution in Saudi Arabia. Is it because no female child in the country is destined to become a prostitute?
Answer the question.

jaephoenix:
Ok. Here are more examples from reliable sources. This time from British Medical Journal.

Locally advanced lung cancer, if untreated, typically progresses although the rapidity of progression may vary. The authors report the case of an 84-year-old woman who presented with radiologically progressive, biopsy proven stage IIIB (T2N3) squamous cell carcinoma in the left lower lobe of the lung. Her disease was too advanced for curative treatment and in view of the lack of symptoms to palliate, she received no anticancer treatment. In follow-up, her tumour was noted to spontaneously regress in size on serial chest x-rays. Eight months after biopsy, restaging CT showed complete resolution of the enlarged biopsy proven mediastinal and hilar lymph nodes and significant regression of the primary tumour. She remains clinically well.
https://casereports.bmj.com/content/2010/bcr.07.2010.3147

More examples
Spontaneous regression of hepatocellular cancer: Case report and review of the literature [8].

Patient had chronic hepatitis C infection, inflammation of the liver. Patient was admitted for pneumonia afterward patient had a remission of hepatocellular carcinoma without any signs or symptoms. Two separate immune reactions are occurring at about the same time.

Spontaneous regression of hepatocellular cancer: Case report and review of the literature [8].

Patient had chronic hepatitis C infection, inflammation of the liver. Patient was admitted for pneumonia afterward patient had a remission of hepatocellular carcinoma without any signs or symptoms. Two separate immune reactions are occurring at about the same time.

Complete remission of splenic marginal zone lymphoma after an acute flare-up of hepatitis B in a hepatitis B virus carrier [5].

Patient has chronic hepatitis B. HBs antibody is negative. HBs antibody becomes positive and patient has a flare-up of hepatitis B. Afterwards the patient had a remission of lymphoma without any signs or symptoms. Two separate immune reactions are occurring at about the same time

https://clinmedjournals.org/articles/ijccr/international-journal-of-cancer-and-clinical-research-ijccr-6-112.php

So what can you say about these ones, Mr. Yahweh-Heals-Cancers-Through-Prayers

I demand an apology form you for defamation of character before we continue this discussion. Otherwise no more.

jaephoenix:
Did they say the cancer disappeared immediately after prayers?

Before I reply you, I demand you apologize for defamation of character.
Throughout this thread you ve been caught either deliberately hiding information or misquoting statement in order to distort a message.
You are a very dishonest person and not trustworthy.
U were desperate to discredit an information that adds not even a second to your life but ended up embarrassing yourself.
I understand it's not your fault because according to u, it's your destiny to be dishonest and there's nothing u can do about it. But u can redeem your image by apologising when exposed.

jaephoenix:
You're now attributing repentance to only Yahweh? Is the word repentance of Christian origin, so why are you attaching it to Christianity here only?
I noticed you didn't say anything about the other fuckups I exposed

I didn't bother to reply because they made no sense.
Greenland is a Christian state? Greenland is a autonomous region under Denmark, they run a constitutional monarchy but the executive power is the hand of a secular parliament.
U obviously have no idea what u talking about.

Go and look for my definition of foreknowledge. I already defined, I'm not going to waste my time repeating. If u confused, ask maynman for help.

Word of God is inspired by the holy spirit. Whatever u doing is purely semantics based on different versions of the bible.

paramakina202:
What do the US expect after seizing Russia 300bn foreign reserve and confiscating all their assets?

This was wrong, very wrong. The best they could have done was to return the money. It's Russia's money, denying them of their hard earned funds is robbery.
Anyway they paying for the foolishness already, Russia is insisting they pay for gas in rubbies since she can't access her dollars.

But dollar as the global currency is not going away anytime soon. It will take a lot to displace dollar n no country is willing to take up those lots of responsibility.
First, u must be ready to run a trade deficit for your currency to be available everywhere. China has built her economy around export n will never run a trade deficit. Other countries economy is too small to even threaten dollar hegemony.

Lukuluku69:
The comments section is filled with ignorant retar.ds, so no issues.

Confirm the Torah given to.Moses as how? What has that got to do with what I posted?

Pls confirm whether the Torah given to Moses by Allah was the Pentateuch or the complete old testament, as told in the Koran by Muhammed.
The Muslim scholar claimed the Torah given to Moses by Allah was the old testament- books of Moses and the other prophets.

Lukuluku69:
Dude, I am not a Scholar neither are the words of Scholars 100% valid.

I can give you the interpretations to Isaiah 42 and 60 and whatever I put up, you can verify. Prophesies are word pictures of future events. A Mystery to those reading it when it time has not come, and only the Wise decipher it when it has come to pass.

Isaiah 42 is a Prophesy into the future. The Jews that flocks to Arabia back then were looking for it's fulfilment because it explicitly mentions " Tents that Kedar/Villages of Kedar" which is the geographical location of the prophesy happening but they erred in thinking that Prophet would be a Fellow Jew.

Jews had been in the Arabian peninsula as far back as 400bc after the Babylonian invasion of Judah. The fall of Jerusalem in 66CE led to further migration. By 300CE, more Jews fled to the Arabian peninsula to escape the oppression of the Byzantine Christians who were blaming them for killing Jesus.

By the time of Muhammad, Medina had a well established Jewish community who deal in jewelry, weapons and trade.
There's no claim or evidence anywhere to suggest Jews migrated hoping for any Messiah in the Hijaz area.
If u have any such evidence to back up your claim , pls post it and let's critic.

If the Jews were to await the Messiah in Kedar as you claim, they will settle in areas around modern day Syria, Jordan, iraq and northern Saudi arabia. The qedarites were generally nomadic Bedouin who lived in those areas in ancient times. There's no evidence the Kedarites occupied Hejaz which is historically linked to the adnanites.

The Medina jews refused to follow Muhammed because his teachings contradicted their own books and they just couldn't reconcile how he could be from God with the glaring errors he was making.
Above was the beginning of their problem with Muhammed. He knew he had to find a permanent solution to the Jews before they find him out as a fake prophet.
He expelled two tribes, eliminated the 3rd and laid siege on the 4th. The Jews eventually behaved and learned to keep shut, those who couldn't migrated out of Arab peninsula area.

Lukuluku69:
Who did a bad job about Isaiah 42/60?

Lol

Our

You Babe in this things and exposition of them will do you no good. I stopped because obviously you are a waste of time. Nothing more...

And not only Isaiah, I will show you dozens other references of the Prophet and his Mission. Thousands are seeing it in the western world and go find out what is becoming of them.

Your Islamic scholar failed woefully on live camera. Go to the the comments section and see how they were mocking him.
I never get your time for now.
Btw can you confirm the Torah given to Moses is the five book of Moses or the old testament. I want to check something.

AntiChristian:
In Hebrew, Joshua is spelled יְהוֹשֻׁעַ (Yehoshua) and Jesus is spelled יֵשׁוּעַ (Yeshua). Although these two names are similar, they have different meanings.

The name Joshua (Yehoshua) means "God is salvation" or "Yahweh is salvation." This name is a combination of Yahweh, the Hebrew name for God, and the Hebrew verb yasha, which means "to save" or "to deliver." In the Old Testament, Joshua was the successor of Moses and led the Israelites into the Promised Land.

The name Jesus (Yeshua) also means "salvation," but it has a slightly different origin. It is derived from the Hebrew verb yasha, just like Joshua, but it is combined with the Hebrew word yehi, which means "may there be" or "let there be." So the name Jesus means "may there be salvation" or "let there be salvation."

Bye o!
Association of hypocritical liars!

Can u provide evidence for this claim. Pls don't post any link to one Islamic website.

AntiChristian:
1. Permit me to call you a nattering nitwit! You even deserve a medal! Do you know why? You judged all Muslims based on an idea of just one single Muslim.

Can we do this with you? Can I judge you with the comments of a Unitarian Christian or a Jehovah witness or other 1001 denominations you don't agree with? That is how a nattering nitwit does!

All of you are just film trick! No iota of holy anything in you guys!

2. The only thing i can see through your post (from the other guy you mentioned)is that the Bible as it is today was written by men in Power without the input of any God!



One man does not decide for Islam!
Islam is the Qur'an and Sunnah as understood by the companions/Pious predecessors!

You are the dishonest fellow. We all know Muslims claim Muhammed is in the bible. Nairaland Muslims have challenged Christians so many times on this claim including one of you here claiming Isaiah is all about Muhammed
Now that the guy did a bad job, u quickly denied him. If he had convincingly won the argument, u will be here shouting praise be Allah.
Instead of embarrassing yourselves on live camera, let your imam say the truth to all you Muslims- there's no Muhammed in the bible.

jaephoenix:
This post has more lies than the whole bible combined. Where do I start?
1. The christian definition of repentance is the same as dictionary.
repentance
/rɪˈpɛnt(ə)ns/
noun
the action of repenting; sincere regret or remorse.
"each person who turns to God in genuine repentance and faith will be saved"
3. Some countries have enforced christian laws on their citizens irrespective of their religion.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_state#:~:text=Greenland%20and%20the%20Faroes)%2C%20England,state%2C%20or%20an%20Islamic%20state.
4. The bible implicitly states that its the word of god. In fact it states that the bible is 'god-breathed'.
5. You never defined 'fore knowledge' but you defined omniscient, and unfortunately your examples of omniscient acts of yahweh weren't correct cos they were short of the definition.
Try to dey lie small small

Using a word in it's own definition is not helpful here.
U failed to define repentance. If u mean remorse or regret- that doesn't cut it.
Repentance in Christianity- sense of guilt, acknowledgement of sin and genuine desire to turn away from sin and embrace God through salvation.

TenQ:
Sorry sir!
You mixed me up with someone else. I am not in the medical or biological sciences, therefore except for mundane things I can't debate anyone on cancer or chemotherapy . I don't even know what SR means and I've not received any treatment

He actually wanted to quote me but the spirit of confusion in him misled him to misquote u.
That shows not only is jaephoenix a dishonest human being but also confused and disoriented.
But u know what, he will come here and tell u that it's not his fault because he's destined to be confused and dishonest. He will also claim he was born to be a liar so he can't help it. He's Mr irreversible destiny.

jaephoenix:
1. Excuse me, what did you correct me on?
2. I was even the person that corrected you. You said the patient that had a SR was given chemo/radio, only for you to deny later. I had to show you a screenshot where you said they received treatment.
LIAR

The problem is you are confused, not only are u dishonest but disoriented. The same way quoted the wrong person is the way u imagined I said something I did not. My God is exposing u for who you are.
Now I will post all our conversation re the cancer case and ask all including your maynman to judge who is the liar.
April 21 12.18pm
jaephoenix:

1. Why does Yahweh use thunder and lightning to speak to people in the bible, but now only speaks personally these days? Why does he appear to people back then but nobody dey see him brake lights these days? Why does he display his might by sending down fire from heaven but these days its a problem?
Now you're using jargons like Rhema which is a term many Christians call different things. With all this rhema have you seen an amputee limb regrow?
2. About your question, I haven't seen any life miracle. And yes also I work in the medical field. I'm a 17 year post housejob physician and yet haven't seen any of the miracle you talk about. Diseases relapse and regress, and it doesn't have any supernatural connotations because it also happens to non-christians and people that don't pray to your god. And also those cancer remissions can also relapse. And we don't know everything about diseases. We are still researching.
Please which specific medical field are you in?
3. We're used to being called foolish because we don't acknowledge your god. Yet the joke is on you grin

[b]How do u know God doesn't use lightning and thunder to communicate his words. Have u spoken to all men of God today to confirm?
Besides in the new covenant we now have the holy spirit in us that constantly communicates. We don't have to wait for rain like sango worshippers b4 hearing from God. That's the privilege we enjoy but absent in the old covenant. The spirit actually has to descend to communicate to the prophets.

I don't need to disclose my field of work.

But explain to me this so called cancer regression in an elderly woman with advanced fungating stage 4 cervical cancer with cachetic body. If u have actually been with someone described above, u will know how badly they smell that they are normally isolated on the ward.
This was a woman I saw few months later and was completely healthy. I didn't even recognise her.
I was using style to ask her daughter who was with her how's her mum because I believed she would have been dead. Only for her to tell me the person I'm asking after is actually the one beside her. To say I was shocked was an understatement.
This happened in Benue state. She was taken to a popular man of God in NIgeria for prayers. My opinion of that man of God changed after that experience.
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April 21 3.06pm
jaephoenix:

[b]1. How do you know Yahweh still interacts with lightning and thunder? Has he been doing such with you?
2. I'm sure you must have seen or heard several people commit all sorts of crimes ranging from fornication or adultery to murder, and then claim they had an unction from the holy spirit to do it. Does your holy spirit authorize such? If you say no, then you're saying that such 'unctions' can be faked.
3. No problem if you don't wanna talk about your work
4. About the stage 4 cervical CA, I have some questions
A. Which hospital was that?
B. Was she on chemo/radio?
C. Was a debulking op done on her?

Let's just go to number 4. The rest are mere speculations from your sides.
Why do you want to know the hospital. Do u know any Nigerian hosp that has successfully managed a stage 4 advanced cervical cancer.

Radio or chemo in benue state for stage 4 cervical cancer. I want to believe u work in a teaching hospital in Nigeria where u people just throw everything at patient anyhow. Someone that's dying, u will be telling the family to pay 100k for ICU, 50k for CT scan, 100k for theatre.
That's not how general or private hospital operates. She was referred anyway but didn't go.

That's what we offered her but when we explained to family it's just to reduce the fungating smell and help with quality of life but not really to cure the cancer, they took her away.

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April 21. 7.29pm
jaephoenix:

1. You said all I said was speculation? How do you know?
2. I know stage 4 CAs falls into palliative care. But they still receive chemo and radio. My question is was she on those treatments before they took her away?

2. Nope.
But common be real. So u expecting chemo and radio to do the magic for a metastatic cancer. It makes them worse if anything. Esp in Nigeria where adjuvant treatment support is poor.
Look here, the woman has received her healing, let's move on.
I can tell u another one I witnessed in uch if u interested. I get them plenty for pocket. MIRACLE IS REAL.


April 22. 8.05am
jaephoenix:

Bro if you have been following my posts, I said remissions happen to everyone, including Muslims, Atheists etc, those that never prayed to Yahweh. So I don't understand what you are pointing at. Its not Yahweh that caused it. I told you that we scientists don't understand everything about these diseases, especially mitotic lesions

Give me evidence of a metastatic fungating cervical cancer that went into full remission, without any form of therapy.
Post the evidence here, I will like to see it.



April 24. 3.19pm
jaephoenix:

Bro, the study of spontaneous remissions in carcinomas has been ongoing for decades. Many physicians worldwide have observed it and there are many well documented cases. It has absolutely no relationship with any religion, race or regions. And definitely not caused by Yahweh. Like I said twice before, there are many things we don't understand about cancers which come to light daily.
I'll post some links about reported cases here.
This is from an Oncology journal
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.annalsofoncology.org/article/S0923-7534(19)63993-1/pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjGycat5L_-AhWNxQIHHTLgCGcQFnoECCUQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3Ab6t0_He-TofYi8RSWUzo

The pdf reads…
Spontaneous remission of cancer (SR) is defined as a complete
or partial, temporary or permanent disappearance of all or at
least some relevant parameters of a soundly diagnosed malig-
nant disease without any medical treatment or with treatment
that is considered inadequate to produce the resulting regres-
sion. We report the case of a 61-year-old man who presented
with extensive metatastic disease five months after pneumo-
nectomy for poorly differentiated large cell and polymorphic
lung cancer. A vast metastatic tumour mass of the abdominal
wall was confirmed histolologically and there was clinical and
radiographic evidence of liver and lung metastases. Eight
months later, the patient was operated on for a hernia, which
had developed in the inguinal biopsy scar and the surgeon
confirmed complete clinical SR of the abdominal wall metas-
tases. Again five months later there was no
longer any radio-
logic evidence of liver and lung metastases. Complete remis-
sion has persisted more than five years. Histology of the
primary and of the abdominal metastases were reviewed by
several independent pathologists. SR is an
extremly rare event
in lung cancer. This is the first documented case of clinically
evident visceral metastases of a bronchiogenic adenocarci-
noma developing after complete resection of the primary
and then showing complete SR. The epidemiology of SR is
reviewed and possible mechanisms involved in SR are dis-
cussed.

This is another instances
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9402178/

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/353036355_The_spontaneous_remission_of_cancer_Current_insights_and_therapeutic_significance

https://www.curetoday.com/view/inflammatory-biomarkers-from-lung-cancer-depression-may-predict-survival-outcomes

https://bmcpulmmed.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12890-019-0978-4


All the above from scientific Journals, not hearsays
My point is spontaneous remissions occur whether people pray to your Yahweh or not. Get that



If this is the best u can come up as evidence. Then u may not have managed lots of cancer pxt. That u even have to Google this up is funny, something that's quite common. Metastatic cancer is no longer death sentence compared to 1-2 decades ago.
One of my patient diagnosed of advanced squamous cell cancer of the mandible has now been told he's cancer free.
He had palliative radiotherapy last yr because they couldn't do surgery- tumour was too advance. Now the oncologist had written that he should be removed from cancer register because the cancer is cleared. I can't count cases like above I've encountered.
My own case is a woman who had fungating advanced cancer and it regressed without any treatment. So convenient it disappeared after meeting a man of God.
Ok let me be lenient. Post me cases of confirmed cancer diagnosis that regressed without treatment. Let's leave metastasis out of it.

April 25. 8.02 am
jaephoenix:

Chemo and radio can be used in palliative care. You need to read up

U are beginning to put words into my mouth. Where did I say they are not used. I said it's not a magic cure at that stage.

Jaephoenix April 25 8.17am
Which atheist did you challenge and that ran away? You talked about a woman getting healed about stage 4 cervical CA and I gave you scientific evidence that many people irrespective of religion, race and nationality have spontaneous carcinomatous remission. Those people did not pray to any yahweh for healing, yet got healed. Is that too much for you to understand?
Spontaneous remission after receiving treatment. undecided
Atheists will do anything to win an argument.

April 25 8.23 am
jaephoenix:

1. Bro, I brought scientifically diagnosed cases from medical journals because anyone can claim anything online (myself included). And that example is better than me saying I know so-so and so person who had spontaneous remission after a late prostate cancer that has metastasized to the lung or liver.
2. And yes lots of people get cured of cancers worldwide, not just in nigeria. Thanks to science and not yahweh.
3. So you're saying your index patient never had a drop of chemo or ray of radio? How was the diagnosis of the late cervical CA made?
Have u actually seen a case of advanced cervical cancer with fungating mass b4? Biopsy is for what u already know which we did anyway.
I already told u she had no chemo, radio or surgery.
Guy u are beginning to sound like those Pharisees in John 9 who were pestering that blind man who was healed by Jesus.
They wouldn't believe the poor guy but still wouldn't let him be.

jaephoenix:

You cleverly avoided using them. Because I have been asking you this question but you haven't been aswering them. If a patient was on those modalities, the chances of remission is high. So where is the miracle? Also the fact people that don't pray to yahweh or people that don't pray at all, still experience remission, then its obvious not a miracle

I will respond to this because it's medical related. Don't spread fallacy here
Chemo or radio for metastatic cancers still carries poor prognosis, remission do happen esp with advancement on therapy but it's not magic cure at that stage.


jaephoenix:

No. The essence of biopsy is to know the specific cervical cancer type which would determine the specific chemo to use. Why are you changing stance? You told me they used chemo and radio.
I have told you several times the causes of that remission. It looks like you don't read my posts

Point to me where I wrote she had chemo and radio.
U sha want her to have treatment by fire by force.
She didn't have treatment, deal with it.

Essence of biopsy is to know specific cancer type? Seriously? Are u a doctor as u claim?
Let me ask u few questions, If u remove a lump from a patient, will u send that lump for Biopsy or not?
If you perform colonoscopy on a patient who presented with rectal bleed. Will u send the parts of the bowel tissue for biopsy or not?


Now when I asked for above, the dishonest person born with a lying destiny screenshot this...
jaephoenix:

Chemo and radio can be used in palliative care. You need to read up

U are beginning to put words into my mouth. Where did I say they are not used. I said it's not a magic cure at that stage.
This was the desperate liar's evidence. When what I was clarifying here was that they do use chemo and radio in palliative cancer care but it's not magic cure at that stage.
I never inferred this re the index lady.

jaephoenix:
death
/dɛθ/
noun
the action or fact of dying or being killed; the end of the life of a person or organism.
"he had been depressed since the death of his father"
Similar:
demise
dying
end
passing
passing away
passing on
loss of life
expiry
expiration
departure from life
final exit
eternal rest
murder
killing
assassination
execution
dispatch
slaying
slaughter
massacre
snuffing
curtains
kicking the bucket
decease
quietus
Opposite:
life
the state of being dead.
"even in death, she was beautiful"
the permanent ending of vital processes in a cell or tissues

See why debating with u is waste of time. U went the whole world to define death but still failed the test.
Death is separation of soul from the body.
Now if u don't agree with above why should I discuss afterlife with u?
Reason why discussing hell or heaven with u guys is waste of time.

jaephoenix:
You are even more dishonest than I thought.
Was there a remission or not? The surgery was a precaution and not a treatment

Why didnt you post the full statement. Why did remove the aspect of treatment. That's dishonesty.
So removing the primary tumour is precaution
They should have left it and declare the woman cancer free then, see attempt to give excuse for act of dishonesty.

jaephoenix:
Oga fake christian I answered you yes, that is their destiny. Looks like you have comprehension issues true true

People, above is what happens when u depart from God and claim u are atheist. The devil builds a throne in your heart and invites his legions to build a workshop. Then they will passing depraved and corrupt thought through your heart.
How can someone say an innocent child that doesn't know her left or right, has no sense of danger already has the spirit of prostitution and armed robbery living in them.
Even a 2 year old knows nothing expect to cry, play, eat and smile at you. But at that age, her mind is already building for her a despicable career in red street light district acording to jaephoenix.
Above is the reason why the Muslim north is in destitute and dragging the rest of the nation backwards.
They believe in this kind of nonsense thinking that Allah has designed the destiny of every child so it's a waste of time training them. They just have babies and once the baby can walk, they throw them to the streets to fend themselves. The parents are not bothered since what will be will be. Of course, this kids become breeding ground for terrorist and bandits, all because of a warped mentality.
Has jaephoenix bothered to test his theory in places like Norway that has lesser crime and Saudi Arabia that has no prostitution? How come Providence forgot to push armed robbers and prostitutes to those countries but we get them plenty for Nigeria.
Even Yoruba culture believes your destiny lies in your hand while ibos believe if u say yes your chi will eventually say yes. But one wannabe fatalist atheist is insisting otherwise.
Pls ignore him, na isokuso. He knows too well that he's saying nonsense.
I'm sure he will give the best to his children so that they will come out well in life. But wants other people's children to became whores or thugs so that he can continue to indulge in his 3some/porn addiction or for political thug when he desires political ambition.
Education, family upbringing and environment plays important role in shaping the future of a child. There's no fixed destiny anywhere.

jaephoenix:
1. Freedom means the same thing in different dictionaries, whether american or not. So I don't know what you're driving at.
2. During this discourse, you brought in different words like foreknowledge etc. Now the problem is you cannot define it despite repeated requests. So how do you want us to use it in the discouse? Throwing an undefined word in an argument unbalances it because it can mean anything. That is our problem

1. Of course I agree with u that freedom mean the same thing in America and Afghanistan.
That's why it took America 4 presidents, thousand of lives mostly young men, wasted trillions of dollars and 20 years to replace Taliban with Taliban all in the name of defining freedom in Afghanistan.
2. Define death, then maybe we can talk. I dont want to waste my time with u anymore.

jaephoenix:
Since you want to us to use fallacies, would you agree to use the works of other agnostics apart from Ehrmann?

Sure, better than arguing with you 2. We won't get anywhere with both of u.
Don't post too many at a time, o we can answer properly.

jaephoenix:
https://www.verywellhealth.com/spontaneous-remission-of-lung-cancer-a-rare-miracle-3971875

U not a honest person and says a lot about u as a doctor u claim. For your info, adding or deliberately withholding information is a serious offence in medical practice.
This is the complete statement....

One month following her diagnosis, and before she had any treatment, both the tumor in her lung and the metastasis to her adrenal gland had shrunk considerably on both a CT scan and a PET scan. (A PET scan is an imaging test which uses radioactive glucose, and allows physicians to get a more accurate assessment of tumor activity than on a CT or MRI alone.) She then underwent surgery for lung cancer and was doing well 14 months later..

jaephoenix:
Define foreknowledge and omniscient, then we take it up from there.
If you don't know them say so

Before I repeat my definition of above because I'd already done so, Define death.

jaephoenix:
TenQ is a dullard. He can't argue science or phulosophy.
You cannot impose your biblical definitions on natural things. This is because not everyone subscribes to your religion. Same way a muslim cannot impose his definitions on christians. This is the problem we have in religious countries like Nigeria and Saudi Arabia. People forcing and imposing their worldwide and laws on non-believers

Then no need to continue this discussion because we at dead end now.
Nobody forces anything on anybody. We have our own definition of word.
Our definition of repentance is different from what's in the dictionary. No Christian ever forced our own meaning on secular world.
U are the one guilty of that. That's why I said go and learn from bible critics.
Everyone knows that no Christian ever said the bible is the direct word of God, but u and maynman have been disturbing Christians on this thread demanding we defend every sentence or phrase in the bible word for word. When we offer our explanation, u reject it claiming that's not the word used in the verse as if God spoke English.

I already gave my definition of omniscient and fore knowledge. Check my previous posts...too tired to be searching.
I think we should end this, just answer my questions esp the one re destiny of a new born child, I want to check something.
U are free to use any reference u like to answer my question on destiny....Koran, bible, Oxford dictionary, Wikipedia, book of fatalist atheism or even obatala. All join. just answer the question.

jaephoenix:
Dude, he's right. Bible simply means book. You guys are not knowledgeable at all

Of course, I didn't know. He just told me
That's why I said hallelujah.

jaephoenix:
The guy is just funny.
He keeps on evading the question why yahweh is surprised by humans and why he regretted creating humans. I'm even tiring of the dodging

This is one of the questions I answered early on this thread.

Now the one repeated here is like when the bible say do not grief the holy spirit.
The God knows the end right from the beginning, so he's not surprised when man falls into sin.
However, he's still grieved because God loves us so much that it hurts him when we turn away from him and embrace sin.
God remain faithful to us even when we are faithless to him because he cannot deny himself. 2 Tim 2.13.
He's a forever loving God, thus it hurts when his children disobeys him because that wasn't the original intention.

The one about number going to heaven or hell already answered.
Now answer my own question on the destiny of babies and the link to that case I posted here.
Even though the word there is shrunk I will accept.it because any remission in cancer is a victory- be it partial or complete.
Do above and let's call it a day, no need going in cirles
U guys shouldn't be debating Christians in the first place, u not worth the time.

Now I think I've replied all your

jaephoenix:
This is the verse
5 Then the word of the Lord came to me. 6 He said, “Can I not do with you, Israel, as this potter does?” declares the Lord. “Like clay in the hand of the potter, so are you in my hand, Israel. 7 If at any time I announce that a nation or kingdom is to be uprooted, torn down and destroyed, 8 and if that nation I warned repents of its evil, then I will relent and not inflict on it the disaster I had planned. 9 And if at another time I announce that a nation or kingdom is to be built up and planted, 10 and if it does evil in my sight and does not obey me, then I will reconsider the good I had intended to do for it.
So what is the import of this bullshit to our argument?

Destiny isn't fixed.

jaephoenix:
1. Do you believe SRs occur in non -christians? So which god 'healed' them
2. This is a case of an SR
A 69-year-old woman was found to have lung adenocarcinoma, a form of non-small cell lung cancer. Her cancer had spread to her adrenal glands—adrenal metastases—and therefore, was labeled as stage IV non-small cell lung cancer. Stage IV lung cancer is the most severe stage of the disease with the poorest survival rate.One month following her diagnosis, and before she had any treatment, both the tumor in her lung and the metastasis to her adrenal gland had shrunk considerably on both a CT scan and a PET scan.
Do you now understand SR is not related to any god?

Me I can't find this case in all the links you sent. Where did u lift it..pls send the link so we can all learn.
Though shrunk is different from cure/cleared but I will still give it to u if above is true. Stage 4 cancer is not a joke and any remission is worth celebrating.

Maynman:
Is he not going to present facts and evidences?
Send me a link to when he finally admitted, I’ll take it for there.

This is world history by the way
https://www.worldhistory.org/Yahweh/#:~:text=Yahweh%20is%20the%20name%20of,have%20revealed%20to%20his%20people.

Go and study him yourself. Stop being lazy.
U asked me for a name of biblical scholar, I gave u. Now u asking me for his work. Which one do u want to do besides quoting Wikipedia and Oxford dictionary?

However here is what he wrote at the end of the nonsense book he wrote.
'To be sure, of all the hundreds of thousands of textual changes found among our manuscripts, most of them are completely insignificant, immaterial, of no real importance for anything other than showing that scribes could not spell or keep focused any better than the rest of us'
Bert Erhman.

Maynman:
He should bring out the evidences out, who wrote it, what century it was written.
Just because someone is an atheist that does not mean I have to “believe” him.

Send me a link to when he finally admitted, I’ll take it for there.

Maynman wants to use Wikipedia and Oxford dictionary to argue with a doctoral fellow and one of world's leading textual critic.
He will eat u raw.

jaephoenix:
The highlighted is just plain bullshit.
I defined destiny for you, yet you keep on using the definition your pastor uses. You might as well define a bird as a car and drive it since you people don't use dictionaries again.
We asked you to define these bullshit terms 'foreknowledge' yet you can't.

U came to us, we didn't come to u.
If we had come to u to condemn your atheism, we will use your beliefs and understanding of words to argue against u.
Now u came to us to criticise our beliefs but wants to debate at your own terms using your own belief. Does that make sense at all.
This is the reason TenQ said arguing with you guys is a waste of time.
This is also the reason American definition of freedom failed woefully when they tried to export it other countries. Freedom mean different things to different people depending on their cultures and belief.
If u insist definition of a word is static and means the same thing at all time, then u don't even understand the meaning of language.
Your analogy of a car and bird is very stupid.

Maynman:
So theists especially yahweh worshippers now formulate their own words bwahahahah.

I’ve told you to mention one bible critic scholar, just one ☝️, you don’t know any, you are empty!

See what world history has to say about your Israelite deity, yahweh.
You are reading a jewish book don’t you think they will exalt their local deities

https://www.worldhistory.org/Yahweh/#:~:text=Yahweh%20is%20the%20name%20of,have%20revealed%20to%20his%20people.

I already told u start with Bart Erhman, he's a new testament bible critic.
Despite all his claim about thousands of new manuscript contraindications, he finally admitted that the core gospel message in all new testament manuscripts he has studied remain the same- they remain unchanged.

jaephoenix:
You dodge so many questions. Dont you get dizzy?
Maybe I should start dodging yours

Mr Man just answer my previous question and let's call it a day. All these merry go round is waste of time.

Q1. Show me a case of stage 4 metastatic cancer WITHOUT ANY THERAPY that went into SR. Just one evidence.

Q2 An armed robber who was killed while robbing a bank. Was that his destiny right from birth?
A prostitute who was killed by her client. Was that her fate/destiny right from day one she was born. That the innocent one day old baby will grow up and become a prostitute and will be killed in active service.

Maynman:
Jesus is a latin name.
Christ means Christus taking from hebrew and it means messiah, there are many messiahs in the tanakh, that’s why jews reject your iesus chrestus that exist only on the pages of NT.

Are you dumb, did christians create meaning of words?
So a muslim too can decide which meaning of word he cherry picks? And other religions?

Tanakh was written in Hebrew and New testament was written in Greek, if we want to know biblical words are we not suppose to go back to those languages?

Your bible was written in languages that existed before it.
I ask you to mention just one bible critic, just one ☝️

Go to our topics where we debate Muslims, we use what's written in their Koran against them, not what's written in secular dictionary or the bible, because they don't believe in it.
U can start with Bart Erhman, he's an atheist like u.