Ohyoudidnt:



Are Logos and God 1 and the same?

No one has ever seen God; the only Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he has made him known” (John 1:18). This passage emphasizes that Jesus has revealed God to humanity. This is to say making those around him conscious and respectful od the almighty
Advising to live in obedience of the divine

A Muslim trying to give exegesis of the bible. U go fear.

But wouldn't explain why I can't worship the shin of Allah.
Oga explain to me is the shin of Allah with Allah or separate from Allah.
Otherwise U guys are worshipping a composite god.
A god made up of body parts. Your Allah is derived from different body parts.

gaskiyamagana:

Research about Christianity revealed a lot about the cooked beans for the fool to eat, belly full and started stooling here and there to dirty the surrounding of good faith about the creator, Allah and His chosen religion for mankind.

U mean your composite Allah. A god that's made up of parts.
Imagine worshipping a composite being, someone derived from parts.
Otherwise U have to explain to me why I cannot worship the shin of Allah.

Abeg Canada should calm down. Maybe if it was 10 yrs ago when Canada was Canada, I will accept the deportation order as genuine and in good faith.

But Canada of today is turning to dugbe market with all sorts of character entering. In the last 5 yrs, over 4 million Indians alone entered Canada. Some areas in greater Toronto now is no different from new Delhi.

What will deportation of 4 people change when almost 1 million immigrants enter every year. What will their removal change.

Even white Canadians are leaving canada due to housing and cost of living crisis.

Nothing special about Canada anymore, the special effect is gone. They should allow them to stay.

Qasim6:


You can keep deceiving yourself.
Which non biblical scholars? Do you mean the forged Testimonium Flavianum?

Ask Bart Erhman.

Hahaha this one think our only historical evidence of Jesus is Josephus. U are far behind, the rest don overtake u.

Tacitus a Roman senator spoke about Jesus
Mara bar sarapion a stoic philosopher spoke about Jesusin 73 AD.
Pliny and Suetonius both Roman historian spoke about Jesus.
Thallus a samaritan historian wrote about the events that happened the night Jesus was crucified.
Roman emperor Trajan wrote about Jesus Christ.
Phlegon of Tralles AA historian wrote about Jesus.
Both the Jewish Talmud and Mishnah wrote about Jesus.
Even Josephus wrote about the death of James the just the brother of Jesus Christ.

There's a reason all biblical scholars including atheist admits Jesus of Nazareth is a real person.

We don't need a dubious character in a desert forging the works of our apocryphal gospels to attest to historicity of Jesus.

When I say U guys know nothing about Christianity, U came here foaming in the mouth. Now see how U thoroughly embarrassed yourself.

I'm still waiting for my answer.
Why can't I worship the shin of Allah?

Ohyoudidnt:
Is it not true that at the First Council of Nicaea in 325AD, the first ecumenical council of the Christian church, meeting in ancient Nicaea (now İznik, Turkey), was called by the emperor Constantine I, an unbaptized catechumen, who presided over the opening session and took part in the discussions.? He hoped a general council of the church would solve the problem created in the Eastern church by Arianism, a heresy first proposed by Arius of Alexandria that affirmed that Christ is not divine but a created being.

Is it not true that the emphasis that Jesus, as the Son of God, was created by God and gained popularity across the Eastern and Western Roman empires was declared a heresy by the Council of Nicaea in 325?

Is it untrue that this council of Nicaea condemned Arius as a heretic and affirmed through a creed that the Son is “of one substance with the Father,” establishing orthodox Christian belief?

Was it declared in the scriptures prior to this tine that Jesus is of the same substance as God?

Only God knows what bible this guy reads.

John 1.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning.3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

John 1.18

18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.

The question is do U have this verses in your bible. Note I said bible not Koran. Don't confuse the 2.

Qasim6:


If you take your time and study how we received all the information about Jesus prior to Islam, you can't help but think

'why is everything messed up like this?'
Except if you are not been truthful with yourself.

From Matthew that witnessed the events first hand copying Marks(a disciple of Peter) to write his gospel.

Jesus claiming he was only sent to the Israelites then Paul claiming he met Jesus and he is apostle to the gentiles then start contradicting Jesus, To the extent there was bad belle between him and the original apostles.

If you compare the first of the Canonical gospel to be written ( Mark) to the last (John), you will know something is no right.

To some people sitting down 300yrs later voting on divinity of Jesus.

And you expect me to not think something is wrong smwhere?

If not for Islam, I would have doubt if Jesus of Nazareth truly walk on this earth.

We don't need Islam to confirm jesus walk on this earth.
Non biblical scholars confirmed Jesus Christ walked on this earth.

Answer my question, can I worship the shin of Allah?

Qasim6:


U don come with your
"you Muslim don't understand "
"You Muslim are parroting bla bla bla"

The good for nothing Bishops were sitting down in whopping 300 yrs after Jesus left the scene to discuss Jesus nature, they even voted on the subject to reach a conclusion. Why did they need to vote if it is crystal clear in the scripture?

Do you think you will be trinitarian if that council did not take place in history?

Do you think the original apostles believe Jesus is some part of God?

Show me Tawhid in your Koran.

Are U not the one I asked if I could worship the shin of Allah and I'm yet to get a response.

Ohyoudidnt:
Arianism, a Christological position in Christianity, was proposed by the Alexandrian presbyter Arius in the early 4th century. It emphasized that Jesus, as the Son of God, was created by God and gained popularity across the Eastern and Western Roman empires. However, it was declared a heresy by the Council of Nicaea in 325.

Beliefs of Arianism

Arianism is often viewed as a form of Unitarian theology that prioritizes God’s unity over the concept of the Trinity. Arius believed in the uniqueness of God as self-existent and immutable, contrasting this with the Son who was considered a created being without self-existence. This belief led to controversies regarding the nature and divinity of Jesus Christ.

The Council of Nicaea condemned Arius as a heretic and affirmed through a creed that the Son is “of one substance with the Father,” establishing orthodox Christian belief. Despite this, conflicts persisted for years, with various councils and emperors supporting different factions within Christianity.

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The problem with Muslims apologetics and also atheist is u guys don't understand Christianity and U don't care to research about it.
All U do is parrot ignorant statements passed around in our mosques or on internet.
Now if I ask U what is the trinity as defined and established by the council of nicea, U will fail woefully. The creed is online for all to see but if I ask U to define the trinity in creed, na something else U go talk.

The trinity in the Nicene creed is exactly as taught by Jesus and exactly what is in the old and new testament. Nothing was removed or added.
You are the one with a problem.
U don't believe in arainism because the theology declared jesus is divine, so debating it with U is useless.

gaskiyamagana:

Shin of Allah is your problem but the one who FOUGHT WITH BIBLICAL GOD is not an issue. Anyway, no wonder, as a NUISANCE ON NAIRALAND TO ALLAH AND ISLAM, one should not expect less from you.
Many things about your biblical God are their, you kept in the cooler of hypocrite and became MAD about Allah, I pity the one arguing with you.

Yes, shin of Allah is my problem because it proves Allah has parts.
If the shin of Allah is not Allah but it's with Allah, then it begs the question what is it?
According to the Hadith, Believers will only recognise Allah when they see his shin.
That means the shin of Allah is part of Allah.
If the shin is part of Allah, then your Allah has parts i.e he's made up of parts.
Your Allah is a composite being, He's made up of parts.
You Muslims are worshipping a god made of parts.
And if Allah is made of parts, then he cannot be one because he can be divided.

Ohyoudidnt:


Reservations to a rather uncouth response. I gave you a detailed explanation.

I checked your initial response but didn't see my answer.
Will believers see the shin of Allah with Allah or separate from Allah on judgement day.

Allah has 99 attributes which are eternal but they separate from Allah.

Is the shin of Allah separate from Allah like his attributes or the shin is with Allah.

Sahih bukhari said when Allah appears to the believers on judgement day, they won't recognise him. But when Allah reveals his shin and show the believers, they will recognise Allah and bow.

That's why I'm asking, will the shin of Allah be seen with Allah or separate from him.

Ohyoudidnt:


In your living and learning you know very well that Allah is the one, omnipotent, omnipresent God that creates and sustains all for all eternity.
Allah is absolute, eternal, misbegotten and non begetting. There is nothing or anyone that can be likened or compared to him.

The Shin or other attributes of Allah are not like that of man. You don't worship Allah in essence but Allah himself. The awe, respect and love of Allah is what is behind bowing when only the shin is revealed.

Believers will recognize Allah through the sign of the revealed shin . It is essential to understand that in Islamic theology, Allah is beyond human comprehension, and any descriptions or attributes mentioned in the Quran or Hadith are symbolic and not to be taken literally.

The concept of worshipping Allah’s shin in this context symbolizes recognition and submission to the ultimate authority and power of Allah. It signifies acknowledging His sovereignty and majesty. The mention of prostration before Allah’s shin represents complete humility and obedience to the Creator.

Thank U very much for your boldness in answering the question.
But I'm not interested in your sermon. Keep it for the mosque.
Now that U have answered the question, your response leads to bigger problem. Remember we dealing with Tawhid here.

Is the shin of Allah separate from Allah or is with Allah.

Are we going to see the shin of Allah separate from him or we will see the shin with Allah.


The will believers recognised Allah when they see his shin. Is that shin one with Allah or separate from him.

olayinka63:
We already know the motive of this thread. Muslim do not worship Saudi, we worship Allah using the guideline of his noble and last Prophet. Muhammad Peace be upon him.
Saudi can do what they like, that is not Islam. The only thing that binded Saudi with the rest of Muslim is hajj. And have you ever see them toying with every Islamic rulings of hajj? Never because they don't have such power. They won't even attempt it because if they do, they lost the only glory that made them popular in this word. So they can fuckigly do whatever they like in the other areas of life.

Why are U bitter, is it your country.
If they move the kabba to another site, what will U do.
The worst is to stop facing Mecca when U praying which is the sensible thing to do in the first place.

In case u don't know, the crown prince already announced plan to rewrite the hadiths saying the present ones are no longer fit for purpose.

Eriokanmi:
As a Christian, I love Saudi Arabia the way they uphold Islamic tenets and religion. Recently, I've not been cool the way they're deviating. Imagine them legalising alcohol.

They must sit down and retrace their steps before the western culture encroaches on them the way they successfully did in Istrael and other religious nations as seen today

If oil end, na U go borrow them money develop their countries.
Dubai is already westernised and other countries are following suit.
They just need moderation in their development,. Adopt the good things in the west and reject the bad.

kheny12:
God bless you for this.Peoples misinterprete culture with religion.Lebanon a Muslim country had been sending representative to beauty pageant since the 190s,yet they are living peacefully.

Lebanon living peacefully Hezbollah made that country hell. They nearly wiped out the Christian population in some areas. Beirut ove called the Paris of middle east almost become a daily site of suicide bombing at a time.

gaskiyamagana:

Very shameful, christians can not defend missing verses of the Bible. The removed verses are disgraceful and have strong implications on God, faith, beliefs and worship of Christianity.

U are a mad man. Seriously U need to be sectioned b4 U start roaming the street.

Ohyoudidn't I can see u, dont ignore my question.

Who is Allah.

I know he has a shin. Can I worship his shin?
If the answer is no, why?
Why can't I worship the shin of Allah?
Is Allah's shin not one with Allah?

So many question but no answer. Very sad Muslims can't defend Tawhid.

gaskiyamagana:

Solve problem of yours first, your FALLIBLE, ERRORBILE AND MISTAKEABLE Biblical God whom his sons discovered his errors and are now deleting, removing and correcting him with those missing bible verses I listed for your Master, TenQ which he can't answer.

If U not ready to answer my question stop quoting me.

Qasim6:


You can reject all you want, the fact that the root word is talal does not take away the fact that talitha could mean maiden.

Anyway leave all these Aisha- Muhammed story and let's deal with the real issue. Who is God.

Allah has a shin. As a Muslim am I permitted to worship the shin of Allah.
If the answer is no, why?
If Allah is one, why can't I worship the shin of Allah.
Is the shin of Allah not one with Allah?

Qasim6:


You can reject all you want, the fact that the root word is talal does not take away the fact that talitha could mean maiden.

Ok I've heard U.
12 yr old male was called boy in bible.
12 yr old girl was called little girl in the bible.
Even her father called her 'my little girl'. But U will want us to believe her father called her 'my maiden'
I wonder why would a father called her daughter my maiden, that sounds unhealthy.

Sincerely I really pity u guys and feel for u. because I know it's not easy.
It's a huge burden placed on Muslims to defend their prophet. It doesn't matter how atrocious or immoral the behaviour, taking the shahada is a call to defend Muhammed blindly.
The harder the argument the more foolish Muslims must become to defend their prophet.

Or is it not same Muhammed that tortured the treasurer of the Qurayza Jewish tribe to death just because be wanted to seize the Jewish money.

Muslims dey try sha following such character as Prophet.

Qasim6:


Do you expect people to keep records of their ages in 6th century Arabia?
The only reason we know the likely age of Aisha is as a result of the fact that almost everything about the life of the Prophet was recorded.
We know that even before the marriage of Aisha to the Prophet, she was proposed by Jubayr ibn Mutim which also indicates how it was completely normal back then.

My friend we not talking of engagement here. People even get engaged from birth in some cultures. But they wait for the girl to grow and mature b4 she's married off.
If Muhammed was engaged to Aisha at 6 yrs, who cares. That's a common practice everywhere.
But marriage and sex at such tender age is too extreme even for his time.
That's an immoral behaviour.

Qasim6:


You can throw the entire human race under the bus if you like.
Even Jewish sources have the age of Rebecca to be 3 while some other 14 when she married Isaac.

Another senseless dawahgandist yarn.
So a girl of 3 years old went to the well to fetch water, discussed with a stranger confidently, offered to fetch water for the stranger' camel to their satisfaction and she was 3 yrs.
This is a classic case of cognitive dissonance.
FYI, Camels can drink especially after a long journey. They drink up to 30 gallons at a times and Abraham's servant has 10 of them with him.

Qasim6:


What you guys don't understand is for believing in the absurdity 'Jesus is God', there is no way you can exonerate him from all those passages you don't like in the old testament.

Did God allow the Israelites to take people as slaves or not? You can check Deut 20 10-14 for reference.

I already told U God is not bound by our moral code of conduct. U wasting your time condemning God for his divine judgement on mankind.

Jesus is God in flesh with a human soul which connects and resonates with human morality. If he had own slaves, I will be the last to follow him.

Qasim6:

Definition of woman varies with time and location.

Even now that child marriage have become something of the past. People do use phrase like
"You are now a woman" for young girls that have just seen their first period.

So the fact that she was called a woman does not prove anything.

I repeat Define woman.
If U fail to define woman, then U don't have any moral right to condemn the LGBTQ who also choose to define woman based on their own 'time and location' since U already admitted definition of women vary.
LGBQT is clear. The past definition of woman is obsolete and in 21st century, the definition of woman should be inclusive.
That's exactly how stupi.d your argument sound. Once U move the definition of women from one post to another, then other people can also choose to redefine it; creating confusion everywhere.

But we christians know there's only one definition of woman from God. An adult female, one who has completed puberty and able to be held accountable for her actions and fulfil purpose. Book for genesis 1-4

Qasim6:

If you check Deut 21 10-14 you will see what they were supposed to do with them.

Read 2 kings 5.2-3. not every men is sex starved like those led by your prophet.
God never told anyone what to do with captives of war, each men is left to make his choice.

gaskiyamagana:

Another run away, dodging tactics which will not work.
The above as response to the post is relevant, sensible or moronical?

If U don't have answer to my question run along and face TenQ your master. I bet he can recite far more hadiths and Koranic verses than U. Otondo.

Pls sensible Muslims here...it's a simple question

We all know Allah has a shin.
All I want to know is can I worship thay shin.
If the answer is no, why?
Allah is meant to be one so why can't I worship the shin of Allah.
I need answers otherwise Tawhid go enter potopoto.

gaskiyamagana:

Leave Allah alone for His slaves and worshippers.
Be shameful and join others who are better off you in knowkedge and faithful than you in acknowledging and doing everything possible to save your FALLIBLE, ERRORBILE AND MISTAKEABLE Biblical God whom his words/ verses are under constant and continue removing and correcting , as I have listed, which you and your hypocrite comrades are dodging and trying to shift to other issues.

Pls any sensible Muslim.

Allah has a shin, I want to know if I can worship the shin of Allah.
Since Allah is one, can I worship his shin. If the answer is no, why?
Why can't I worship the shin of Allah if Allah is meant to be one.

Cc honesttalk antiChristian Ohyoudidn't Gaskiyamagana ahmedio expanse

Since we talking about Tawhid, I want a Muslim to clarify.

Can I worship the shin of Allah. If the answer is No, why?

If Allah is one, why can't I worship his shin?

My fellow Muslim colleagues, Ramadan Kareem.

I want to apologise on behalf of TenQ for making your fasting harder than it should be. The little glucose in your body, he's forcing U guys' brain to consume it faster and this is not fair.

Just like Paul, TenQ ask very hard questions to answer. His questions should be reserved for top islamic scholars, tafsir's expert, Koranic translators and chief imams.
The truth is TenQ is operating at the level of post doctoral fellowship while most Muslims here can barely scrap thru the level of junior waec- apology if it comes out as offense.

Instead of making your fasting harder by engaging TenQ, why don't u let me ask simpler questions that doesn't require reading tons of hadiths or Koran tafsir to answer.

I promise my own question is simpler because I really dont know much about islam.

Cc honesttalk antiChristian Ohyoudidn't Gaskiyamagana ahmedio expanse

Qasim6:


1. Non of the Canonical gospels was written by eye witness. Because you might have to explain why they were all written in Koine Greek and why Matthew a supposed disciple of Jesus would have to used Mark a supposed disciple of Peter for his own work.

It's a common knowledge that writers of Matthew and Luke used Mark in written theirs.

2. There is not a single one of them we can affirm the original writer

They were first called memoir of the apostles. The names Mark, Matthew, Luke and John were only assigned to those works by the church fathers in the 2nd century. The writers did not sign their names.

3. The Gospel according to John does not conform with the oral gospel and it was written late around 100CE.

U guys are very funny. U Muslims just parrot what scholars say without thinking hard about these claims or checking why they said so.

So if the gospels were called memoirs of the apostles, what does that tell U?

Now let's start with the definition of memoir. Memoir is a historical account written from personal knowledge. It's a nonfiction narrative writing based on the author's personal memories. The assertions made in the work are thus understood to be factual.

The definition of memoir alone proves the 'memoir of apostles' is an eye witness account because it was written by apostles and destroys your argument.

Next let's talk about the early church fathers who used the term memoir of the apostle. One of them is justyn Martyr's writings whom scholars love to quote as their strong evidence for anonymity of the gospels.

They claim he called the gospel the apostle's memoir and not by their respective names.
But this is what justyn matyr wrote about the memoirs of the apostle in his writing called Dialogue with trypho.....

“For the apostles, in the memoirs composed by them, which are called Gospels” taught “do this in remembrance of Me” (ibid. 66).

Also talking about Jesus' sweat like a blood in the garden of gethsemane, Justyn wrote he read it from
“the memoirs which I say were drawn up by Jesus apostles and those who followed them”
This story is found in the gospel of Luke who is a companion of Paul.

Furthermore Justyn commented on the nickname Jesus gave the sons of Zebedee.

And when it is said that He changed the name of one of the apostles to Peter; and when it is written in the memoirs of Peter that this so happened, as well as that He changed the names of other two brothers, the sons of Zebedee, to Boanerges, which means sons of thunder. . ." (Dia. 106; ANF)

This story of Jesus calling John and James son of thunder is only found in the gospel according to Mark which is an account of Peter's narration. No other gospel has this story, not even the Apocrypha gospel of Peter.

So justyn matyr confirmed the apostles or those who knew the apostles actually wrote the gospels and that's why it's called memoirs of the apostle.

The question is if the gospels/memoirs were written by the apostles or those who knew them, how can U then say they are not eye witness account.

Scholars have taken u people for a long ride, based on ignorance.
U will do well to look into these so called scholastic research into the gospel. U will come out bitterly disappointed.
U can start with what the scholars call criteria of embarrassment and I assure U as a Muslim U will be highly embarrassed to quote the scholars next time.

gaskiyamagana:

I know you very very well. I will continue to follow you and your different users name and colleagues in mission of distorting the teachings of Islam to confuse whoever is confusseable or gullible Muslims, and pay blind eyes to your fake religion and its confusions.
How not relevant that your Biblical God and Christianity you are trying hard to defend against Islam , are CONFUSIONED together in your book from which you quote numerously to prove your God and religion is full of verses, as errors and mistakes , not worthy of leaving in the Bible and to be removed or review ?

What are U yapping about.
If have any any reasonable to say, spill it out otherwise shut up.
I've always suspected U to be an islamic radical. Useful to loot and burn churches but not for any intellectual discussion.

gaskiyamagana:

Those criteria have:
1. WHAT TO DO WITH GOD, IF TRULY HE IS INFALLIBLE AND HIS WORDS ARE CONTAIN IN THE BIBLE as tagged as Holy Bible'
2. Been forgetten or not applied before present discovered and deleted bible verses I listed for you that you are running away from?

I really can't make sense of what U wrote up there. U may want to explain yourself better.
We are talking about the canonisation of the gospel. That's different from reliability of the gospel or new testament.

Are U asking about the later? There are both external and internal evidence of why the gospel is reliable.

I can't remember avoiding your question. U must confuse me with someone else
But being the so called verses here. But pls one at a time. We resolve a verse and then U bring another. Not dumbing multiple verses and start shouting contradiction.

Ohyoudidnt:


I refuse to answer any of your repeat or straw appending questions.

I have shown the irrefutable core principle of monotheistic belief of Islam and challenged you to show same in your religion.

It remains a mystery to me how 1 is 3 or is it 3 that are 1.

Having a human mind, body and soul is not comparable as these are not mutually exclusive or inclusive. Have you seen a soul or spirit before? Is the spirit/soul at any point somewhere and the body at another?

Of the soul/spirit, body or mind which is the greatest? I believe in the Father,son and holy spirit the father is the greatest.

Discuss trinity with me. It's better than the boring Aisha and Muhammed problem or the gnostic gospels U ve not done enough research about.
Debating above with U is tiring.

U will never accept humping a 9 yr old girl is immoral. The day U accept is the day U leave Islam. So there's no point.
U don't know enough about the gospel canon to make the debate interesting and challenging. I keep having to correct your blunders and errors and it makes the whole thing uninteresting.


Debate me on trinity. I promise U will be cured of your trinity ignorance. I will show U trinity korokoro in the bible.

I always say it, trinity is very simple and easy to understand. If it's complex- I will never believe in it.

I presume U know enough about trinity- all Muslim do. Then let's discuss. I will also go ahead and dislocate your believe about the oneness of your Allah because he's definitely not one.

Ohyoudidnt:


Definitely there's a huge difference between a baby speaking at birth or within the first three months (estimation is mine) and a young child speaking. There then is the huge question why the Gospel of Thomas is not accepted into the Cannon.

This Gospel is even seen as heretical. However this may be it is further confirmation on how you reject some and accept others. How sure is it that those accepted are not invalid while those rejected are more credible?

There's no problem.

Quran 2:79
So woe to those who distort the Scripture with their own hands then say, “This is from Allah”—seeking a fleeting gain! So woe to them for what their hands have written, and woe to them for what they have earned.

Now I will tell U the criteria we used in the canonisation of the gospel. Pls pay attention because if you ask me why some apocryphal gospels were not part of our canon without making reference to these criteria, I will simple ignore u.
It takes a lot of time and effort to come here to write, and the least U expect is for the reader to digest and understand it. U don't need to accept it but read it.

1. The gospel must be written by someone who knew Jesus or knew the disciples of Jesus.
2. It must be an eye witness account i.e written within the lifetime of those who saw, knew and spoke to Jesus Christ. Essentially it must be written in the first century.
3. The written gospel must conform with the oral gospel. B4 the written gospel, there was the oral tradition. People were reciting the logia of Jesus when believers meet.
If the written gospel contain unfamiliar narrations or strange stories unheard in the oral gospel, it will be rejected.
4. The gospel must have approval of the early church or the authority of apostolic fathers. This is to be certain heretic ideology do not find it's way into the gospel.
Even the teaching of Paul had to be subjected to scrutiny by the Jerusalem Church, and was approved b4 Paul could continue his preaching amongst the gentiles. Read acts 15 for understanding.
5. There must be evidence the gospel was read in early churches or mentioned by the apostolic fathers in their own works.

Cc Qasim, expanse, honesttalk, antiChristian. This is also for U.

Ohyoudidnt:


Definitely there's a huge difference between a baby speaking at birth or within the first three months (estimation is mine) and a young child speaking. There then is the huge question why the Gospel of Thomas is not accepted into the Cannon.

This Gospel is even seen as heretical. However this may be it is further confirmation on how you reject some and accept others. How sure is it that those accepted are not invalid while those rejected are more credible?

There's no problem.

Quran 2:79
So woe to those who distort the Scripture with their own hands then say, “This is from Allah”—seeking a fleeting gain! So woe to them for what their hands have written, and woe to them for what they have earned.

One of my headache with U is u don't learn anything in our conversation. I actually read your texts and learn from it if it makes sense. But otherwise is your case.
How can a text written 180 yrs after the said events be considered canon. It means whoever wrote it wasn't an eye witness and nobody who knew Jesus could confirm the book as true.

I told U infancy gospel of Thomas which the Koran copied was written in the mid 2nd century.

Pls do not confuse infancy gospel of Thomas with another book called the gospel of Thomas. The one I'm referring to here is the former. Infancy gospel of Thomas is the one that has stories seen in the Koran.

Gospel of Thomas is a logia and not a gospel. And was equally written in the 2nd century.
Now if that's the gospel U actually referring to here, then know the gospel claim Thomas is the twin brother of Jesus and that everyone can become begotten son of God like Jesus.
Well if that's the gospel U want to embrace, good luck.
But I will definitely consider it heretic.