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Explore2xmore:
Your dislike and bias against Islam becloud your logical reasoning. You are able to do research and should clearly show a single slow acting poison will take 4 years to kill someone in 7th century Arabia.

Medically, the cutting or rupture of the aorta leads to immediate death. The Prophet lived for years after the poisoning at Khaybar, indicating that the reference was figurative.

If you use blind emotion to think please keep at it and may it satisfy you. Simply identifying the word used for aorta in the Quran verse and the hadith you hold strongly to has proven to high above your intelligence.

I think U should take your own advice.
The highlighted is ignorance in display.
Pls read chronic aortic dissection and aortic aneurysm...then come back and swallow your vomit.

Explore2xmore:
So in whole 4 years the body will not have excreted the poison? This is not a lodged arrow or bullet wound.

Do U know how poisoning works?
Have U heard of lead or arsenic poisoning?
So U don't know exposure to poisons causes long term complications in the body ?

Explore2xmore:
You are far smarter than what you have written. Is the aorta the sole vessel that poses severe implications to life?

The Prophet pbuh employed metaphorical language to convey his suffering, which does not suggest a literal cutting of the aorta besides this is not actual translation of the arabic word used.

It is common to use vivid metaphors to describe severe pain or distress in arabic.

If Muhammed had said he's feeling unwell and it seems like his aorta is being severed, I will understand that could be a metaphorical statement.

But Muhammed mentioned a physical substance inside his body is killing him.
He now described how that physical substance is killing him and u telling me that's a metaphor.

Common man, the only reason U are extricating Muhammed is because U are a Muslim.
Nothing more.

Explore2xmore:
You are far smarter than what you have written. Is the aorta the sole vessel that poses severe implications to life?

The Prophet pbuh employed metaphorical language to convey his suffering, which does not suggest a literal cutting of the aorta besides this is not actual translation of the arabic word used.

It is common to use vivid metaphors to describe severe pain or distress in arabic.

U are being clever by half.
Muhammed admitted to poison inside him.
He confessed to his wife that the poison is killing him.

How is the poison killing him?
He said it's like his aorta is being severed. So what is the aorta is being severed?

Muhammed cannot be talking metaphorically because he mentioned a physical substance inside his body that his killing him.
He admitted there is a poison inside of him killing him.
That is not a metaphor my friend.

Try harder.

Explore2xmore:
Whatever the translation please point out the arabic words then we can look at the reasons for translation

I'm not a native Arab speaker so I'm not going to indulge in irrelevant linguistic argument.

Aorta is an organ in the body and we only have one.
Saying the meaning of aorta in the 2 sentence is different is saying there are 2 organs in the body named aorta.

And that makes no sense because there's only ONE ORGAN IN THE BODY CALLED AORTA.

Muhammed and Allah are both referring TO THE ONE AND ONLY AND SAME AORTA IN THE BODY.
If U think otherwise, then prove it.

AntiChristian:
I am going there!

What word is the "aorta" from the Qur'an and from the hadith?
Bring them out and let's analyze your ignorance?

Why did your scholars translate both words as AORTA.

how many does aorta has in Arabic.

Explore2xmore:
What words are used for aorta in arabic and the hadith?

Why did your scholars translated both words as Aorta?

Ok Qasim6

U know me and evidence are 5&6.
But let's leave that for another day.

But what I want U to explain is why is the message of Jesus called Injeel.

First tell me ....the injeel is written in what language?

Now if the book given to Jesus isn't written in greek, why is the book given a greek name.

Why did Allah give a greek name to the book given to Jesus when he wasn't sent to the greek and the message was in native language of Jesus which is not greek.

2. U mentioned the injeel is corrupt. Now I want U to confirm...was the injeel during the time of Muhammed already corrupted.
Muhammed lived around 6th and 7th century. Was the injeel already corrupted by this period?

AntiChristian:
I don't have much time for your front and back mixing of truth with falsehood!



Injeel is the revelation revealed to Jesus!
Torah is the revelation revealed to Moses!
Zabur is that revealed to David!
Abraham too had a Book revealed to him!

All of these revelations are speech/Word of Allah!

I don't know what use is the meaning of the word "Injeel" when Allah says in Qur'an 61:6 "And [mention] when Jesus, the son of Mary, said, "O children of Israel, indeed I am the messenger of Allah to you confirming what came before me of the Torah and bringing good tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name is Ahmad." But when he came to them with clear evidences, they said, "This is obvious magic."

Clearly he was referring to the Children of Israel as you can see in red above! He was sent to Israel! And Israel is just a fraction of the world!

Injeel is the Gospel revealed to Jesus which is definitely not your Matthew, Mark, Luke and John!
Torah is the Book revealed to Moses which is definitely not the Pentateuch or the Old testament!
Zabur is Psalms revealed to David which is definitely not the Psalms in your Bible!

What about Alexander the Great. Was he given a book too since he's a prophet in Islam.

Qasim6:
My guy you are the one that has been deceived. You are the one carrying a forged book around calling it message of Christ. I'm sorry to break this sad news to you.



Of course there is no manuscript that contains that truth, because you guys have nothing other than forgeries.

The painful thing about this your blind argument Muhammed never believed the injeel or the Torah was corrupt.
Muhammed actually believed in the Injeel and the Torah available in his time. He believed they were perfect.
He told both christians and Jews to judge by what is revealed in their books.
How can Muhammed tell Christians and Jews to judge by corrupt books!!!!

How Muslims ended up with the corrupt injeel/Torah claim is an abracadabra on its own.

Explore2xmore:
Know your faith properly first. See image


Are there verses I have quoted for you false? Perhaps you should read them in Hebrew

Do U know the difference between 'Messiah' and 'The Messiah'

What U defined up there is messiah.
Now go and look for the definition of THE MESSIAH- Al Mashiah

Qasim6:
Here is how Papias described gospel written by Apostle Matthew

"Papias said that Matthew the Apostle was the first to write a gospel, and that he did so in Hebrew. Papias also said that others translated the Hebrew or Aramaic gospel to the best of their ability. "

The Mathew we ended up with was written in Greek and forged using Marks.

Bring me that original Mathew and I will show you where Jesus talked about the final messanger.

Q 61:6
And ˹remember˺ when Jesus, son of Mary, said, “O children of Israel! I am truly Allah’s messenger to you, confirming the Torah which came before me, and giving good news of a messenger after me whose name will be Aḥmad.” Yet when the Prophet came to them with clear proofs, they said, “This is pure magic.”

Have U heard of Didache?

Qasim6:
The good news Jesus Christ brought was the glad tidings of the final messanger and also the Kingdom of God that was coming.

Same Kingdom of God prophesied by Daniel.

So, Yeah his message was good news in all ramifications and you guys should stop fooling around with all these nonsense nonexistence Islam dilemma.

But I thought the message of Jesus is only for the Jews.
How can Jesus be preaching about a kingdom of God for the whole world if his message is for the Jews only?

AntiChristian:
Alhamdulillah, so are the words the same words with the same meaning?

Only liars can't do this due diligence. I can do it for Greek new testament despite me not knowing Greek.

So answer the questions!

Are U kiddng me!!! U better don't go there or else I will bury U.
Someone is dying and said it feels like my aorta is being severed.
Allah said he will kill Muhammed by cutting his aorta.
Common sense will tell U aorta in both sentences mean the same thing.

The AORTA is the biggest blood vessel in the body and main artery that sustain life.
Severe it and death is knocking on the door.

There can be no alternative meaning to this word aorta in both sentences. They both mean death by cutting off main blood vessel in the body.

Only LIARS will want to extricate Muhammed from the embarrassment he found himself.
U better be careful and don't end up like Muhammed.
God hates LIARS. HE'S STILL IN THE BUSINESS OF SEVERING AORTA OF LIARS.

AntiChristian:
Una don dey bring this lie no be today! Can you tell us the words you translated as "aorta" from the Qur'an and from the hadith.

Are they the same words?
Do they have the same or different meanings?

This lie don tey o!

Mr Man, I never told U I'm a Arab speaker.
I brought the English translation of those verses from your own sources. And they both called it AORTA.

Your Muslim scholars were the ones who translated the Arabic words to aorta not me or any Christians.

Your Muslim scholars said the word in both the Qur'an and hadith mean AORTA.

AntiChristian:
Marrying more wives is a choice and a right! He can choose to marry or not. Khadijah married him and submitted fully to him.

This is simply false. Khadijah submitted to him fully! Everything she had was given to him.

No be only fury! Khadijah gave all to him! So it becomes his. Your premise is wrong so all your conclusion are wrong!



You have no evidence for this lie! He married only Khadijah in Mecca. He married others in Medina.

As at the time Muhammed ran away from Mecca, Khadijah was alive. she died when Muhammed was on exile in medina- he couldnt have married another woman in Mecca.
BTW khadijah married Muhammed and not the other way round.
Muhammed had no money to even pay bride price not to talk of starting a family.

AntiChristian:
Turban is not compulsory! This is simply ignorance!

Not the Yoruba brand of Islam but Islam as it ought to be!

Okay, keep the advice for you and your family! When you need a Plumber you should call a doctor! Whoever wants to practices Islam should follow the Qur'an and the Sunnah as it was practiced by the pious predecessors!



This is another oponu opinion! There's no need for me to do that! The Prophet married many older women! He married divorcees, widows, etc. Only A'isha was unmarried among the wives! In fact he married only Khadijah till she died!
So should not have married like Jesus and Paul!

This guy, you better stop lying. God hates liars. Learn from the fate of Muhammed.

How can U say muhammed not marrying when he was with khadijah was out of choice.
Which choice? With whose money would Muhammed have married a 2nd wife when khadijah was alive.
Someone khadijah was feeding will now think of bringing extra mouth into the house.
With whose money?

I can imagine khadijah paying the bride price of the new wife and then start feeding both Muhammed and the new wife with her own money.
My guy in case U don't know, women stupidity get limit and hell has no fury like a woman scorned.

Muhammed respected himself and waited until khadijah died b4 embarking on his journey of debauchery.

AntiChristian:
Jesus didn't die. Na you think say he die!

It will be meaningful since your Bible portrayed it as such!
He died on his bed with a good saying! Unlike Jesus who we didn't know what his last words! Did he accuse God of abandoning him?

Stop lying.
Muhammed died a painful, slow and agonising death because he was a false prophet.
Allah killed Muhammed because he ended up being a false prophet; and Allah had warned muhammed if he's ever caught lying, Allah will grab his aorta and cut it into half.

And if he [i.e., the Prophets] had made up things and thereafter ascribed it to Us, (69:45) We would surely have seized him by the right hand, (69:46) and then severed his aorta;

Muhammed died complaining that the poison the Jewish woman fed him is actually dissecting his aorta.

Narrated Aisha: The prophet is his ailment in which he died, used to say, "O 'Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my AORTA is being cut from that poison" [Sahih Buhkhari Book 59, Hadith 713]

Even your books proved Muhammed was a LIAR. HE MADE UP FALSE SAYINGS IN THE NAME GOD WHO KILLED HIM AS EARLIER WARNED BY SEVERING HIS AORTA.

FRANCISTOWN:
1. We can't compare Aristotle and Socrates to a said son of God. It doesn't add up.
The thing is. Aristotle and likes we're normal human being like us.
They were dead and no longer alive.

If you said Jesus was a normal human being and not a special son of God and not alive. It would have been better. We could say, fine. He went down in history like any other.

But saying he is a son of God and that he is one special thing is nothing but a joke.

2. My personal conviction was rooted in a disorder called delusion.

Ok let me explain how historical evidence work.
Now how do historians gather evidence from history ? They research ancient documents looking for evidence for or against historical claim.
Now this could either be internal or external evidence.

Internal evidence is what is in the documents that support or refute the claim.
External evidence is what is outside of the documents that support or refute the content in the document.

The bible is a historical document. If U are saying the bible is false. Then what in the bible led credence to your assertion and what have U discovered outside of the bible that debunks what's written in the bible.

U said U don't believe Jesus is the Son of God as stated in the bible.
What evidence do U have either internal or external evidence to back your claim that the statement is false.
Are U saying Jesus never called himself Son of God, or he did but was lying or he did but not as Christians meant it to be or the gospel writers just made it all up.

FRANCISTOWN:
1. First of all, the evidence for the existence of Spiderman in real life cannot be found in the comics. If we wanted to believe Spiderman is real, we need a real life proof.
*****
___Second of all. That evidence you are talking about. Please state it and let's go thru it together.

2. Good. Number 1. Childhood indoctrination, Appeal To Authority, ad populum fallacy and delusional disorder , a priori fallacy wishful thinking , and appeal to fear fallacy.

It was that crazy

1. My friend that's not how history works. What evidence do U have that people like Aristotle, Socrates or Nefertiti ever existed.
How do U know Julius Caesar or Alexander the great ever existed and not just some made up figure.
My guy, the only evidence we have about them is what their own people wrote about them. We looked into historical records and analysed as well as filter thru what their people wrote about them. That's how we know what's real and what's made up.

Historical documents are pieces of evidence and historians treat them as such.

U don't travel to China to learn about Nerfetiti, instead u look for what ancient Egyptians wrote about her.

U also don't travel to Rome to learn about Orunmila. Instead U study the oral tradition and history of Yoruba people to understand if Orunmila is a real person or not.
Do U get it now.

2. That mean U never did any critical thinking of your own while U were a Christian? Is that what U saying?

FRANCISTOWN:
After i left Catholic. I had to worship with different denominations because I traveled alot, only white garment churches I didn't.

I was 9 when I got my first Bible and before I reached 25 I had already read the Bible from Matthew to revelation more than forty times and the old testament more than 9 times words for words.
Therefore, there is nothing you can tell me about the Bible that I prolly don't know.

However, in order not to sound arrogant. Please bring it on

The biggest question is what evidence do we have from the bible that proves the God of the bible is the supreme God.

So when U were a Christian what made u think this God I worship written about in the bible is the ONLY TRUE GOD.

meobizy:
I assumed it happened in Iraq or Afghanistan. France of all places?! Hmm. These people are slowly building courage.

Slowly building courage ke OR they now have full courage 100%.
Dare criticize Muhammed or islam in London or Paris and see what happens to U.

Canada is next with their gay loving degenerate Trudeau.

U guys in America better hold firm to your gun. That will be your saving grace when their madness starts over there.

Jeffy1206:
I don't get it, you can use niga but the whites can't use it why? Black mentality sha. Na them de cause all these racial issue for themselves.

Muslims can burn their own Qur'an if it's old or mutilated.
U as a non Muslim, carry the Quran go burn for any reason whatsoever and see what will happen to U.
Better be careful.

Some things are better avoided for the sake of peace.

So FRANCISTOWN, your argument isn't new. It's as old as the bible itself.
Your argument is based on if God is real, why can't those who call on him be the most richest, powerful and mightiest on earth. Why should worshippers of the only true God be subjects to atheist or worshippers of false gods?

I will give U the same answer God gave the Israelites when they asked him similar question.

For God causes his sun to rise on both the evil and the just, and sends rain on the righteous and wicked.

My thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways saith the LORD. For as heaven is higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.




God will forever be God, your shallow mindset will never comprehend him. If u expect God to have the same thought process as yourself, then u are in for a rude shock.
The Israelites learnt the hard way. They fought the Phoenicians, fought the Assyrians, fought Greeks, fought Romans; each time expecting God to give them victory....the end result is always the same.
They never listen to their prophets or the Messiah, instead they had a fixated idea of who they wanted God to be and what they want from him.
God will never change his plan for humanity for the sake of yours. know this and know peace- whether u believe in HIM or not

If as a Christian, U worshipping God for what U can gain; am sorry but U have not yet discovered your journey. U simply playing religion.


THE SIMPLE MOST IMPORTANT REASON U FOLLOW JESUS CHRIST IS SPIRITUAL GUIDANCE FOR THIS LIFE AND HEREAFTER.
ANY OTHER THING IS SECONDARY.

That's why Christ himself said.....

Seek ye the kingdom of God and it's righteousness, and every other thing shall be added unto it.

Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what to eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is your life not more than food and body not more than clothes?

Next question is why do we need spiritual guidance.
I will discuss about it next.

Now to what U wrote up there....

Its amazing for U to think serving God means U will become the richest man on earth or the most influencial. Where did Christ say that?

Christ said if anyone desires to be in heaven, he must be like a child and be ready to serve rather than being served.
Christ also said do not aim for high places when in public, lest u are disgraced and told to sit amongst the lowly. Rather, take the lowest place so that when offered something higher u will be honoured.

The ancient Israelites also had your mind set and that's why they weren't satisfied worshipping God because he wasn't going to make them the most powerful nation on earth.
The Israelites wondered why they should obey strict and laborious commandments from a supreme God when nations with lesser gods were helping their nations become powerful empires.
The Israelites couldn't understand how nations with weak gods were conquering Israel and beating them silly in battles yet Israelites were the ones who worship the most powerful God.

The Israelites were bewildered why an all powerful God, the mightiest God and maker of the universe could not make the ONLY nation that serves him the most powerful nation on Earth.

Whenever these powerful empires defeat Israel, they erect monument to honour their weak gods and mock the all powerful God of Israel. The Israelites were embarrassed and felt humiliated.

The whole thing makes no sense to them. Not getting satisfactory answers from the Prophets, the Israelites decided to try their luck with other gods.

FRANCISTOWN:
I've always been very silent about Islam, the reason is because, anyone with common sense should know that the Qur'an is just an adulterated version of the Bible.
So, demystifying the Bible God is equal to nullifying Allah and Muhammad his slave.

That being said. Lemme ask you christian sheeples one single question that you've not been able to provide any reasonable answers to.

As a christian, what do you have in your life that is not found in the lives of people who are not christians?

What has that Jesus done for you that has not been done in the lives of people who are not christians?

Once you are able to bring yourself to total sincerity and honesty, then you will understand what atheists have been saying all along.

You see, one of the most dangerous things in life is wishful thinking.

I'm not a christian, but I have several of them that I pay monthly some weekly, some upon a completion of project.
They address me as "sir" , some who are even older than me almost want to prostrate but I always decline.

If your bible said you shall be the head and not the tail, how come me, myself , who is not a christian is the head now and they are the tail?

The true things of life are the things you can see while the false things of life are the things you want to see.

All the things you have in the Bible are mere wishful thinkings. Yahweh is not a living thing neither is Jesus his errand boy.
There is nothing, I repeat nothing they can do for you.
Your life is your responsibility.

I think I read somewhere that U were an altar boy in catholic b4 becoming atheist.
I've always said it, those who leave Christianity do so because they don't understand the faith. No true Christian who understands the bible will ever leave.
These ex Christians simply make erroneous assumptions from the bible which unfortunately becomes their reality. Then they make ignorant decisions based on these falsehoods.

And to be sincere, I don't blame them. The church has taken too many things for granted in the last few decades without checking if the members are on the same page with the pulpit.
The bible says work out your salvation with fear and trembling, unfortunately today's church has failed to guarantee it's own salvation.
The members are seeing this and are beginning to question the faith.
I myself had my own challenge reconciling my belief with the message coming from the pulpit and at a time I began to drift away. That was until I began to study the bible myself and research the theology within it.
The revelation from the bible is clear- it's impossible for the bible to be false. It's impossible for the message coming from the bible to be made up.

If U actually take time to study and research the theology of Christianity, U can only come to one conclusion. The God of the Bible is the only true God.

I can take U on this journey so long as U have an open mind and willing to learn new things.
I remember I debated one of U agnostic here called Nonethnicity or something like that. By the time I disconnected his claims from reality, he couldn't continue because he was stuck.

moscow007:
When it's about protecting Islamic interests you will not see Al Quaeda, Palestinians are being shredded on a daily, nothing from Al Quaeda.

But once it serves the interest of the West, they are mobilized and armed.

Now you know their sponsors, the West creates their own enemies to stay relevant, including Biko Haram.

U are very naive. U think international politics start and end with west Vs Russia.
Have U asked yourself why Saudi Arabia and Egypt refuse to support the Palestinian cause?
Weak Sunni muslim gulf countries are being surrounded by militarily strong Shia Muslim backed regime- Hamas, Hezbollah, Yemen, Iraq and their chief sponsor Iran.
And U think Al Qaeda, a sunni terrorist group will jump and give voice to a cause against the interest of their sponsors.
Saudi Arabia will just cut off funding.

Next time, Use your brain b4 you write. Hamas is the common enemy of the Muslim gulf countries and NOT Israel.

Ok, but Africans have heard enough of all these motivational speech.
What we need is action. Put words into action.
Develop your country and let's hear something good about Burkina faso.

Africans are thirsty for the first successful black nation.

AntiChristian:
You mentioned it so you must explain it.

How did the Prophet and his companions struck their wives?
Are they wife beaters?

I understood it the way they understood the verse!

Yes, the companions of Muhammed beat their wives.
Aisha confirmed it.


Narrated `Ikrima:

Rifa`a divorced his wife whereupon `AbdurRahman bin Az-Zubair Al-Qurazi married her. `Aisha said that the lady (came), wearing a green veil (and complained to her (Aisha) of her husband and showed her a green spot on her skin caused by beating). It was the habit of ladies to support each other, so when Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) came, `Aisha said, "I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women. Look! Her skin is greener than her clothes!"

So Yes Muslims men beat their wives according to your books.

Now when the Quran says strike your wives, does it mean beat your wives as described by Aisha, mother of believers.

AntiChristian:
I should do homework on what you have no proof for from the Bible?

Don't worry wait for Honesttalk he will show U the verse.

Now do U agree strike your wife means beat your wife in both Arabic and English version of the Qur'an?

AntiChristian:
Where in the Bible is it said that the inscriptions were in many languages for each Gospels to have written different wordings?

Go and do your own home work. No food for lazy man.
Just imagine, he hasn't done his own assignment but came here to post a topic on passion of Christ based on poor knowledge.

Honesttalk be like say U sabi bible pass this otondo.
Pls show him the bible verse.

AntiChristian:
Where was the Holy Spirit when they were writing different things?
And where in the Bible is it said that the wordings was written in four different languages!
Each writer was just trying to prove a point making Jesus the king of the Jews!

Anyways we are not Jews!

This is done and dusted.
You are the one who should bring evidence that the different inscriptions are the same letter for letter and word for word.

It's common sense that sentences are not translated literally when written in different languages. They are translated in such way that the message and meaning remain the same in different languages.
This is the standard in the linguistic scholastic works.

For example 'Man is dog best friend' when translated to Yoruba becomes 'Aja ni ore eniyan'

Those two words are not the same literally but the translation is correct and the message it conveys is the same.

It's just common sense, something very rare among Muslims illiterate apologetics.


Funny enough Quran has the same problem of literal translation.
That's why modern Muslims are denying some passages in Qur'an claiming the original Arabic doesn't have the same meaning.

For example the Quran says husband should strike their wives when they disobey.

modern westernised Muslims who are embarrassed by that verse will claim the Arabic word for strike is a literal translation and the meaning of the word is different in the Arabic Quran.

AntiChristian what's your opinion on this?