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FRANCISTOWN:
Lol! Child's play. Na you go tell me how historical evidence works? 😂

This is not a kind of discussion I should waste my precious time on.
Lol! I expected you to do better. What evidence do I have that Jesus is not the son of God? Really? 😂 😂

So U just woke up one morning and concluded Jesus isn't the Son of God?

My question is clear. What evidence do U have both internal and external that made u conclude what is written in the bible is false.

It's not a difficult question to answer. If U are an intelligent and diligent atheist as U claim.

A Christian brother called mightysparrow created a topic called Islam And It's Impacts On Modern Day Yoruba People.
Note This thread was created by a Christian and not a Muslim.
People will not believe that the topic has been moved to the islamic section where U have to say the Shahada before U can comment.

The question is why? How did a topic created by a Christian brother end up in the islamic section?.

The trend of the thread extended to whether Muhammed was killed by Allah because he was a false prophet.
I brought evidence from the hadith and Quran to support the assertion that Allah killed Muhammed by severing his aorta possibly because he was a false prophet.

No Muslim could refute my claim. All they yapping about was the so called richness of Arabic language and the pathophysiology of poison/aortic disease.

The challenge for muslims was why did Muhammed described the illness that killed him exactly the way Allah said he would kill Muhammed if he's ever caught lying.

Next thing I noticed was they moved the topic to islamic section so that the topic could be killed.

If Muslims are embarrassed by their Prophet, that's their business not mine or any other Christian. But they shouldn't control a thread not created by them by bullying or intimidating moderators to move it to islamic section.

There was no blasphemous statement against Muhammed on the thread. Everything we Christians wrote was deducted from their books.

Above is criticism and not blasphemy. Muslims should learn the difference.
Criticising Muhammed is not the same as blasphemy against him.
Most matured Christians here don't even bother about mocking their prophet or anything like that. We simply point them to the truth in their own books which apparently Muslims don't like.

Muslims should stop behaving like cowards and learn to defend their prophet and their religion. If it's the truth, they should not be ashamed of it.

Muslims are so embarrassed by the way and manners their prophet died they didn't want the thread alive anymore- they want it dead.

Imagine the deception. If U are so proud of your prophet. Why are U scared of his dark side?

Here is what the argument is all about just to let all of u know this not a case of blasphemy or anything.

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Explore2xmore:
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You Muslims are cowards. Imagine U people ran to mods to take the topic Islam and it's impact on modern day Yoruba people to your hideous islamic section.
Muslims are so embarrassed by the way and manners their prophet died they didn't want the thread alive anymore- they want it dead.

Imagine the deception. If U are so proud of your prophet. Why are U scared of his dark side?

Now to your response. First let's get some things clear.

1. Allah made it clear in the Quran if Muhammed is ever caught lying against him, He would grab him and kill him by SEVERING HIS AORTA.

2. On Muhammed's death bed, he confessed his pain feels like his aorta is being severed.

3. Muhammed said the pain from his aorta started
since he ate the poison from the Jewish woman 3 years earlier.
Let's get one thing clear, Muhammed may be wrong or right about the cause of his pain. But we do know is that he died a slow, agonizing and painful death which he attributed to aortic pain.

How did Muhammad die?

Allah himself may have directly severed Muhammed's aorta and allowed it to leak slowly, thus the chronic aorta pain he had.
Allah may prolonged the half life of the poison Muhammed ate thus allowing for it's sustained exposure in his body and enough time to cause damage on Muhammed's aorta.

It's even possible Allah used another pathophysiology to damage Muhammed's aorta and may not even be related to aortic dissection or the poison at all.

The crux of the matter is did Allah fulfil his warning by making Muhammad die of aortic pain ?

Hadith are not scientific books, they are historical documents. Directly applying scientific methodology is not applicable.

But what is applicable is the spiritual and theology understanding of the document.

Allah said if Muhammed is ever caught lying and making things up. He will kill him by severing his aorta.
Muhammed confessed on his death bed that the pain he's having is like his aorta has been severed.

The question U and other muslims should answer is why did Muhammed described the illness that killed him exactly the way Allah said he would kill Muhammed if he's ever caught lying.

That's the bigger question.

Qasim6:
Ok
For the sake of this argument let's assume both words mean aorta
How does the Qur'an verse and the Hadith disprove Islam or expose our Prophet as a liar?

I thought U are king of prophecy. Why should we discard the words of Allah who said HE WILL KILL MUHAMMED BY SEVERING HIS AORTA IF HE'S EVER CAUGHT LYING.

MUHAMMED ADMITTED HE WAS DYING AND SAID IT FEELS LIKE THE POISON IS SEVERING HIS AORTA.

WHY WOULD ALLAH ALLOW HIS PROPHET CONFESSED TO THE MANNER DEATH ASCRIBED FOR HIM IF HE'S EVER CAUGHT LYING.

I DONT KNOW ABOUT U, BUT IT SEEMS ALLAH WANTED US TO KNOW MUHAMMED WAS A LIAR AND A FALSE PROPHET, THUS FORCED HIM TO MAKE SUCH CONFESSION.

Qasim6:
Before you answer the question I want you to have the following at the back of your mind

- He knew miraculously that the food was poisoned. So he did not fail the test the Jewish lady was trying to put him through.

So? Even magicians and devil worshipers have powers and charm to protect themselves from evil.
You be naija guy, that.shouldn't be strange to U.

Qasim6:
- He lived for another four years after khaybar and continue to receive revelation up untill Islam has been perfected. So he did not Just pass away abruptly.

Point of correction- Muhammed was the one who said he received revelation, no one could corroborate he ever received any revelation. Not even Aisha.

Besides God is patient and not willing that anyone should perish, but desires all to come to repentance. He always gives those he would destroy time to repent of their ways.
For example, he gave the Amalekites 400 years to repent of their ways b4 pronouncing judgement.

So giving Muhammed 4 years to repent is nothing.

Qasim6:
Q5:3.......Today I have perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and chosen Islam as your way...

Muhammed knew he was dying....so it's like a dying man writing his will.

Qasim6:
-The chapter that talked about cutting off the aorta is Meccan chapter and not Medina chapter so the chapter would have been revealed at the early stage of his Prophet Hood.

Are you telling us God continue to allow him made things up in his name till everything has been completed then severe his aorta afterwards to prove he is a false prophet?

Balaam was a false prophet in the bible who taught Balak how to lead Israel astray despite God warning him no to do so.
The bible didn't specify any punishment for him in any way.
So many false prophets abound to this day, why is God not killing them?

I could play the devil's advocate here and say since Muslims believe Paul is a false prophet, why did Allah allow him to distort the message of Christ that long without taking him out.
Paul also wrote in his farewell letter....
For I am already being poured out like a drink offering, and the time for my departure is near. I have fought a good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness which the Lord will award me.

Using your logic, Paul couldn't have been a false prophet if Allah allowed him to confidently finish his work and happily signed off.

Explore2xmore:
Kindly indulge your educated ignorance and show evidence to suggest that chronic aortic dissection or aortic aneurysm can be directly caused by food poisoning.
Present examples of a singular case of poisoning that lead to death years post administration.

Present your paper to a medical journal if you like.

This is why I don't like debating non medics on medical matters.
What do you understand by food poisoning? Food poisoning is simply food borne illness caused by bacteria and their enterotoxins.
It's different from what we talking about here.
The Jewish women added a toxic substance called poison to Muhammed's food. That's not food poisoning....ok.

So many toxins in the body can predispose to aortic dissection e.g nicotine, cocaine, methamphetamine, carbazide and plant poisons.

Muhammed himself said he started having agonizing pain since he was exposed to the poison from the Jewish woman.
He said he feels like the poison is severing his aorta. Muhammed simply described how he felt.

You are not there to say Muhammed description of his pain is wrong. He was the one in pain and described how he felt.

The question should be why did the Prophet of Allah described himself dying in the same manner Allah had said he would die if he's ever caught lying?

Qasim6:
Stop playing!
You and bringing evidence that has no substance is 5 and 6.
Bringing what some ancient Jews believed sometimes ago is not good enough, except if there is Prophetic backing to such beliefs.

They could have been wrong, they have no authority.

Ok I've heard U.
Today is not the day for that.
Let's thrash out the injeel.

Qasim6:
The Injeel, or the revelation given to Jesus, was not initially a written text. Instead, it was likely transmitted orally, and Jesus disciples may have recorded it. It is most likely what Papias was describing that Matthew wrote in Hebrew or Aramaic. these early writings are now lost and are distinct from the canonical Gospels we know today.

The Gentile Christians which later became the predominant movement did not preserve this document because it was at odd with their beliefs because we know that the Christian sect that used this version of Matthew gospel were later declared heretic.

I asked U b4 and I will asked U again. Have I heard of Didache? Who used it?

Qasim6:
So the question is if Mathew indeed penned something down and it is not what was later named Mathew in the New testament, WHERE IS THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENT AND WHO THE HELL FORGED ANOTHER FORGED DOCUMENT (MARK'S GOSPEL) THEY LATER NAMED MATHEW??

Dont disturb your head. The gospels books were not called Matthew, Luke, John or Mark in the 1st century. They were not even known as gospel until the 2nd century.
The gospels were initially called the memoir of the apostles. That was the name early Christians called them.
So stop barking at the wrong tree regarding name of gospel. Focus on the injeel.

Qasim6:
The Arabs might have been using the word injeel to mean the gospel of Jesus before Islam and it has already became a word they were familiar with. We know Injeel is the arabized form of euangelion and euangelion definitely the Greek translation of what it would have been in Aramaic because Mathew that we are told was the first to write the gospel wouldn't have named the document he wrote euangelion since he wrote in Hebrew or Aramaic.

Just like Isa is more likely an arabized form of Iesous rather than Yeshua. and there is archeological evidence Isa was used by Arabs before Islam.

Guy I'm not interested in your verbose obviously made up fake theory. I'm not here to discuss the Christian gospel.
I'm asking U about the injeel. ALLAH CALLED THE MESSAGE GIVEN TO JESUS THE INJEEL.
THE INJEEL IS MENTIONED IN THE QURAN AND QURAN IS MEANT TO BE ETERNAL.

MY QUESTION IS CLEAR,.DONT ANSWER Question I DIDNT ASK U...

1. THE INJEEL IS WRITTEN IN WHAT LANGUAGE?

2. IF INJEEL IS NOT WRITTEN IN GREEK, THEN HOW COME THE BOOK HAS A GREEK NAME.

3. WHAT IS THE NAME ALLAH GAVE TO THE MESSAGE OF JESUS. WHAT IS THE MESSAGE OF JESUS CALLED.
WHAT DID JESUS CALL HIS MESSAGE.

EVERY MESSAGE SENT BY ALLAH HAS A NAME

ALLAH CALLED THE MESSAGE GIVEN TO MOSES THE TAWRAH
ALLAH CALLED THE MESSAGE GIVEN TO DAVID THE ZABUR
WHAT IS THE NAME OF THE MESSAGE OF JESUS AS GIVEN BY ALLAH.
WHAT DID ALLAH CALL THE MESSAGE OF JESUS
ALLAH SAID IN THE QUR'AN 'WE GAVE THE INJEEL TO PROPHET ISA'
WHY DID ALLAH ASCRIBED A GREEK NAME TO THE MESSAGE OF JESUS IF THE MESSAGE IS FOR THE JEWS?

Qasim6:
Of course it has been corrupted long before the Prophet. But some of the teachings of Jesus Christ still find there way into the canonical gospels like the hypothetical Q gospel. so there is still some elements of truth in the forgeries.

Ok are U saying the gospel circulating during the time of muhammed- 6th and 7th century period was corrupt.
I will like U to confirm above.
because I don't want U to change mouth later when I bring evidence.

AntiChristian:
Answer the questions I asked before you ask me yours? If you're ignorant just tell me!

I don't care about Arabic language or the many richness or meaning it has. Bocs that's lie u was to jump to.

Erudite Arabic scholars have done a good job translating the hadiths and Quran for us.
Your opinion is inconsequential!!!!

Below is your answer.

Now tell me How many meaning does aorta have in Arabic?

Explore2xmore:
Your dislike and bias against Islam becloud your logical reasoning. You are able to do research and should clearly show a single slow acting poison will take 4 years to kill someone in 7th century Arabia.

Medically, the cutting or rupture of the aorta leads to immediate death. The Prophet lived for years after the poisoning at Khaybar, indicating that the reference was figurative.

If you use blind emotion to think please keep at it and may it satisfy you. Simply identifying the word used for aorta in the Quran verse and the hadith you hold strongly to has proven to high above your intelligence.

I think U should take your own advice.
The highlighted is ignorance in display.
Pls read chronic aortic dissection and aortic aneurysm...then come back and swallow your vomit.

Explore2xmore:
So in whole 4 years the body will not have excreted the poison? This is not a lodged arrow or bullet wound.

Do U know how poisoning works?
Have U heard of lead or arsenic poisoning?
So U don't know exposure to poisons causes long term complications in the body ?

Explore2xmore:
You are far smarter than what you have written. Is the aorta the sole vessel that poses severe implications to life?

The Prophet pbuh employed metaphorical language to convey his suffering, which does not suggest a literal cutting of the aorta besides this is not actual translation of the arabic word used.

It is common to use vivid metaphors to describe severe pain or distress in arabic.

If Muhammed had said he's feeling unwell and it seems like his aorta is being severed, I will understand that could be a metaphorical statement.

But Muhammed mentioned a physical substance inside his body is killing him.
He now described how that physical substance is killing him and u telling me that's a metaphor.

Common man, the only reason U are extricating Muhammed is because U are a Muslim.
Nothing more.

Explore2xmore:
You are far smarter than what you have written. Is the aorta the sole vessel that poses severe implications to life?

The Prophet pbuh employed metaphorical language to convey his suffering, which does not suggest a literal cutting of the aorta besides this is not actual translation of the arabic word used.

It is common to use vivid metaphors to describe severe pain or distress in arabic.

U are being clever by half.
Muhammed admitted to poison inside him.
He confessed to his wife that the poison is killing him.

How is the poison killing him?
He said it's like his aorta is being severed. So what is the aorta is being severed?

Muhammed cannot be talking metaphorically because he mentioned a physical substance inside his body that his killing him.
He admitted there is a poison inside of him killing him.
That is not a metaphor my friend.

Try harder.

Explore2xmore:
Whatever the translation please point out the arabic words then we can look at the reasons for translation

I'm not a native Arab speaker so I'm not going to indulge in irrelevant linguistic argument.

Aorta is an organ in the body and we only have one.
Saying the meaning of aorta in the 2 sentence is different is saying there are 2 organs in the body named aorta.

And that makes no sense because there's only ONE ORGAN IN THE BODY CALLED AORTA.

Muhammed and Allah are both referring TO THE ONE AND ONLY AND SAME AORTA IN THE BODY.
If U think otherwise, then prove it.

AntiChristian:
I am going there!

What word is the "aorta" from the Qur'an and from the hadith?
Bring them out and let's analyze your ignorance?

Why did your scholars translate both words as AORTA.

how many does aorta has in Arabic.

Explore2xmore:
What words are used for aorta in arabic and the hadith?

Why did your scholars translated both words as Aorta?

Ok Qasim6

U know me and evidence are 5&6.
But let's leave that for another day.

But what I want U to explain is why is the message of Jesus called Injeel.

First tell me ....the injeel is written in what language?

Now if the book given to Jesus isn't written in greek, why is the book given a greek name.

Why did Allah give a greek name to the book given to Jesus when he wasn't sent to the greek and the message was in native language of Jesus which is not greek.

2. U mentioned the injeel is corrupt. Now I want U to confirm...was the injeel during the time of Muhammed already corrupted.
Muhammed lived around 6th and 7th century. Was the injeel already corrupted by this period?

AntiChristian:
I don't have much time for your front and back mixing of truth with falsehood!



Injeel is the revelation revealed to Jesus!
Torah is the revelation revealed to Moses!
Zabur is that revealed to David!
Abraham too had a Book revealed to him!

All of these revelations are speech/Word of Allah!

I don't know what use is the meaning of the word "Injeel" when Allah says in Qur'an 61:6 "And [mention] when Jesus, the son of Mary, said, "O children of Israel, indeed I am the messenger of Allah to you confirming what came before me of the Torah and bringing good tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name is Ahmad." But when he came to them with clear evidences, they said, "This is obvious magic."

Clearly he was referring to the Children of Israel as you can see in red above! He was sent to Israel! And Israel is just a fraction of the world!

Injeel is the Gospel revealed to Jesus which is definitely not your Matthew, Mark, Luke and John!
Torah is the Book revealed to Moses which is definitely not the Pentateuch or the Old testament!
Zabur is Psalms revealed to David which is definitely not the Psalms in your Bible!

What about Alexander the Great. Was he given a book too since he's a prophet in Islam.

Qasim6:
My guy you are the one that has been deceived. You are the one carrying a forged book around calling it message of Christ. I'm sorry to break this sad news to you.



Of course there is no manuscript that contains that truth, because you guys have nothing other than forgeries.

The painful thing about this your blind argument Muhammed never believed the injeel or the Torah was corrupt.
Muhammed actually believed in the Injeel and the Torah available in his time. He believed they were perfect.
He told both christians and Jews to judge by what is revealed in their books.
How can Muhammed tell Christians and Jews to judge by corrupt books!!!!

How Muslims ended up with the corrupt injeel/Torah claim is an abracadabra on its own.

Explore2xmore:
Know your faith properly first. See image


Are there verses I have quoted for you false? Perhaps you should read them in Hebrew

Do U know the difference between 'Messiah' and 'The Messiah'

What U defined up there is messiah.
Now go and look for the definition of THE MESSIAH- Al Mashiah

Qasim6:
Here is how Papias described gospel written by Apostle Matthew

"Papias said that Matthew the Apostle was the first to write a gospel, and that he did so in Hebrew. Papias also said that others translated the Hebrew or Aramaic gospel to the best of their ability. "

The Mathew we ended up with was written in Greek and forged using Marks.

Bring me that original Mathew and I will show you where Jesus talked about the final messanger.

Q 61:6
And ˹remember˺ when Jesus, son of Mary, said, “O children of Israel! I am truly Allah’s messenger to you, confirming the Torah which came before me, and giving good news of a messenger after me whose name will be Aḥmad.” Yet when the Prophet came to them with clear proofs, they said, “This is pure magic.”

Have U heard of Didache?

Qasim6:
The good news Jesus Christ brought was the glad tidings of the final messanger and also the Kingdom of God that was coming.

Same Kingdom of God prophesied by Daniel.

So, Yeah his message was good news in all ramifications and you guys should stop fooling around with all these nonsense nonexistence Islam dilemma.

But I thought the message of Jesus is only for the Jews.
How can Jesus be preaching about a kingdom of God for the whole world if his message is for the Jews only?

AntiChristian:
Alhamdulillah, so are the words the same words with the same meaning?

Only liars can't do this due diligence. I can do it for Greek new testament despite me not knowing Greek.

So answer the questions!

Are U kiddng me!!! U better don't go there or else I will bury U.
Someone is dying and said it feels like my aorta is being severed.
Allah said he will kill Muhammed by cutting his aorta.
Common sense will tell U aorta in both sentences mean the same thing.

The AORTA is the biggest blood vessel in the body and main artery that sustain life.
Severe it and death is knocking on the door.

There can be no alternative meaning to this word aorta in both sentences. They both mean death by cutting off main blood vessel in the body.

Only LIARS will want to extricate Muhammed from the embarrassment he found himself.
U better be careful and don't end up like Muhammed.
God hates LIARS. HE'S STILL IN THE BUSINESS OF SEVERING AORTA OF LIARS.

AntiChristian:
Una don dey bring this lie no be today! Can you tell us the words you translated as "aorta" from the Qur'an and from the hadith.

Are they the same words?
Do they have the same or different meanings?

This lie don tey o!

Mr Man, I never told U I'm a Arab speaker.
I brought the English translation of those verses from your own sources. And they both called it AORTA.

Your Muslim scholars were the ones who translated the Arabic words to aorta not me or any Christians.

Your Muslim scholars said the word in both the Qur'an and hadith mean AORTA.

AntiChristian:
Marrying more wives is a choice and a right! He can choose to marry or not. Khadijah married him and submitted fully to him.

This is simply false. Khadijah submitted to him fully! Everything she had was given to him.

No be only fury! Khadijah gave all to him! So it becomes his. Your premise is wrong so all your conclusion are wrong!



You have no evidence for this lie! He married only Khadijah in Mecca. He married others in Medina.

As at the time Muhammed ran away from Mecca, Khadijah was alive. she died when Muhammed was on exile in medina- he couldnt have married another woman in Mecca.
BTW khadijah married Muhammed and not the other way round.
Muhammed had no money to even pay bride price not to talk of starting a family.

AntiChristian:
Turban is not compulsory! This is simply ignorance!

Not the Yoruba brand of Islam but Islam as it ought to be!

Okay, keep the advice for you and your family! When you need a Plumber you should call a doctor! Whoever wants to practices Islam should follow the Qur'an and the Sunnah as it was practiced by the pious predecessors!



This is another oponu opinion! There's no need for me to do that! The Prophet married many older women! He married divorcees, widows, etc. Only A'isha was unmarried among the wives! In fact he married only Khadijah till she died!
So should not have married like Jesus and Paul!

This guy, you better stop lying. God hates liars. Learn from the fate of Muhammed.

How can U say muhammed not marrying when he was with khadijah was out of choice.
Which choice? With whose money would Muhammed have married a 2nd wife when khadijah was alive.
Someone khadijah was feeding will now think of bringing extra mouth into the house.
With whose money?

I can imagine khadijah paying the bride price of the new wife and then start feeding both Muhammed and the new wife with her own money.
My guy in case U don't know, women stupidity get limit and hell has no fury like a woman scorned.

Muhammed respected himself and waited until khadijah died b4 embarking on his journey of debauchery.

AntiChristian:
Jesus didn't die. Na you think say he die!

It will be meaningful since your Bible portrayed it as such!
He died on his bed with a good saying! Unlike Jesus who we didn't know what his last words! Did he accuse God of abandoning him?

Stop lying.
Muhammed died a painful, slow and agonising death because he was a false prophet.
Allah killed Muhammed because he ended up being a false prophet; and Allah had warned muhammed if he's ever caught lying, Allah will grab his aorta and cut it into half.

And if he [i.e., the Prophets] had made up things and thereafter ascribed it to Us, (69:45) We would surely have seized him by the right hand, (69:46) and then severed his aorta;

Muhammed died complaining that the poison the Jewish woman fed him is actually dissecting his aorta.

Narrated Aisha: The prophet is his ailment in which he died, used to say, "O 'Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my AORTA is being cut from that poison" [Sahih Buhkhari Book 59, Hadith 713]

Even your books proved Muhammed was a LIAR. HE MADE UP FALSE SAYINGS IN THE NAME GOD WHO KILLED HIM AS EARLIER WARNED BY SEVERING HIS AORTA.

FRANCISTOWN:
1. We can't compare Aristotle and Socrates to a said son of God. It doesn't add up.
The thing is. Aristotle and likes we're normal human being like us.
They were dead and no longer alive.

If you said Jesus was a normal human being and not a special son of God and not alive. It would have been better. We could say, fine. He went down in history like any other.

But saying he is a son of God and that he is one special thing is nothing but a joke.

2. My personal conviction was rooted in a disorder called delusion.

Ok let me explain how historical evidence work.
Now how do historians gather evidence from history ? They research ancient documents looking for evidence for or against historical claim.
Now this could either be internal or external evidence.

Internal evidence is what is in the documents that support or refute the claim.
External evidence is what is outside of the documents that support or refute the content in the document.

The bible is a historical document. If U are saying the bible is false. Then what in the bible led credence to your assertion and what have U discovered outside of the bible that debunks what's written in the bible.

U said U don't believe Jesus is the Son of God as stated in the bible.
What evidence do U have either internal or external evidence to back your claim that the statement is false.
Are U saying Jesus never called himself Son of God, or he did but was lying or he did but not as Christians meant it to be or the gospel writers just made it all up.

FRANCISTOWN:
1. First of all, the evidence for the existence of Spiderman in real life cannot be found in the comics. If we wanted to believe Spiderman is real, we need a real life proof.
*****
___Second of all. That evidence you are talking about. Please state it and let's go thru it together.

2. Good. Number 1. Childhood indoctrination, Appeal To Authority, ad populum fallacy and delusional disorder , a priori fallacy wishful thinking , and appeal to fear fallacy.

It was that crazy

1. My friend that's not how history works. What evidence do U have that people like Aristotle, Socrates or Nefertiti ever existed.
How do U know Julius Caesar or Alexander the great ever existed and not just some made up figure.
My guy, the only evidence we have about them is what their own people wrote about them. We looked into historical records and analysed as well as filter thru what their people wrote about them. That's how we know what's real and what's made up.

Historical documents are pieces of evidence and historians treat them as such.

U don't travel to China to learn about Nerfetiti, instead u look for what ancient Egyptians wrote about her.

U also don't travel to Rome to learn about Orunmila. Instead U study the oral tradition and history of Yoruba people to understand if Orunmila is a real person or not.
Do U get it now.

2. That mean U never did any critical thinking of your own while U were a Christian? Is that what U saying?

FRANCISTOWN:
After i left Catholic. I had to worship with different denominations because I traveled alot, only white garment churches I didn't.

I was 9 when I got my first Bible and before I reached 25 I had already read the Bible from Matthew to revelation more than forty times and the old testament more than 9 times words for words.
Therefore, there is nothing you can tell me about the Bible that I prolly don't know.

However, in order not to sound arrogant. Please bring it on

The biggest question is what evidence do we have from the bible that proves the God of the bible is the supreme God.

So when U were a Christian what made u think this God I worship written about in the bible is the ONLY TRUE GOD.

meobizy:
I assumed it happened in Iraq or Afghanistan. France of all places?! Hmm. These people are slowly building courage.

Slowly building courage ke OR they now have full courage 100%.
Dare criticize Muhammed or islam in London or Paris and see what happens to U.

Canada is next with their gay loving degenerate Trudeau.

U guys in America better hold firm to your gun. That will be your saving grace when their madness starts over there.

Jeffy1206:
I don't get it, you can use niga but the whites can't use it why? Black mentality sha. Na them de cause all these racial issue for themselves.

Muslims can burn their own Qur'an if it's old or mutilated.
U as a non Muslim, carry the Quran go burn for any reason whatsoever and see what will happen to U.
Better be careful.

Some things are better avoided for the sake of peace.

So FRANCISTOWN, your argument isn't new. It's as old as the bible itself.
Your argument is based on if God is real, why can't those who call on him be the most richest, powerful and mightiest on earth. Why should worshippers of the only true God be subjects to atheist or worshippers of false gods?

I will give U the same answer God gave the Israelites when they asked him similar question.

For God causes his sun to rise on both the evil and the just, and sends rain on the righteous and wicked.

My thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways saith the LORD. For as heaven is higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.




God will forever be God, your shallow mindset will never comprehend him. If u expect God to have the same thought process as yourself, then u are in for a rude shock.
The Israelites learnt the hard way. They fought the Phoenicians, fought the Assyrians, fought Greeks, fought Romans; each time expecting God to give them victory....the end result is always the same.
They never listen to their prophets or the Messiah, instead they had a fixated idea of who they wanted God to be and what they want from him.
God will never change his plan for humanity for the sake of yours. know this and know peace- whether u believe in HIM or not

If as a Christian, U worshipping God for what U can gain; am sorry but U have not yet discovered your journey. U simply playing religion.


THE SIMPLE MOST IMPORTANT REASON U FOLLOW JESUS CHRIST IS SPIRITUAL GUIDANCE FOR THIS LIFE AND HEREAFTER.
ANY OTHER THING IS SECONDARY.

That's why Christ himself said.....

Seek ye the kingdom of God and it's righteousness, and every other thing shall be added unto it.

Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what to eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is your life not more than food and body not more than clothes?

Next question is why do we need spiritual guidance.
I will discuss about it next.

Now to what U wrote up there....

Its amazing for U to think serving God means U will become the richest man on earth or the most influencial. Where did Christ say that?

Christ said if anyone desires to be in heaven, he must be like a child and be ready to serve rather than being served.
Christ also said do not aim for high places when in public, lest u are disgraced and told to sit amongst the lowly. Rather, take the lowest place so that when offered something higher u will be honoured.

The ancient Israelites also had your mind set and that's why they weren't satisfied worshipping God because he wasn't going to make them the most powerful nation on earth.
The Israelites wondered why they should obey strict and laborious commandments from a supreme God when nations with lesser gods were helping their nations become powerful empires.
The Israelites couldn't understand how nations with weak gods were conquering Israel and beating them silly in battles yet Israelites were the ones who worship the most powerful God.

The Israelites were bewildered why an all powerful God, the mightiest God and maker of the universe could not make the ONLY nation that serves him the most powerful nation on Earth.

Whenever these powerful empires defeat Israel, they erect monument to honour their weak gods and mock the all powerful God of Israel. The Israelites were embarrassed and felt humiliated.

The whole thing makes no sense to them. Not getting satisfactory answers from the Prophets, the Israelites decided to try their luck with other gods.