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nlfpmod:
https://www.instagram.com/p/C_A1s05IvP1/?igsh=b3d4cnFoeWwzMDd0

Summary of the story
Both the girlfriend and her sister are products of failed parenting.
Imagine raising 2 daughters who turned out to be dragging same man on social media.
What a shame to that family.

jaephoenix:
If I(a random Internet dude) tell you I have 3 heads and another random dude confirms it, would you believe it without any evidence? Be honest

So tell me exactly what evidence U need.
Newspaper report?

kingxsamz:
Cool, enter his dm and tell him all that. I'm sure both of you can come to an agreement.

And @ the bolded part of your comment, not only are you making assumptions, you're also contradicting yourself. Like I said, if you cannot provide proof, there's no point. I don't want to hear "maybes", "ifs" and "there has to bes". If you're only speculating then there's no need.

Your basis on why U are atheist is very weak.
Come here let's discuss metaphysical and I will show U atheism makes no sense.
lack of intellectual cognitive rationalisation is what breeds atheism.
U just need intelligent discussion and atheism will fly out of your brain, it makes no sense.
U can't be better than philosophers who concluded on law of infinite regress.

jaephoenix:
Evidence. We don't do anecdotes here

If my sister confirms the story....will that be evidence.
I could drop a link about our conversation on the subject.

kingxsamz:
I don't need your long story. Just contact him and stand a chance to win millions.

Lots of people already challenged him but of course he cowardly ran away.
One even challenged him on rain maker.

If U not going to stick out your neck for him then don't bring him here
2.5m means nothing to me.
I'm not dealing with him...I'm dealing with U.
Don't waste my time by deferring to things U can't beat your chest on.

jaephoenix:
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So who created this very complex and powerful entity that created all those?

Go and read about law of infinite regress and First cause.
Then we can discuss.

kingxsamz:
Telling me "there has to be a creator" shows you're not even sure. So like I told the other guy, I'm not going to be arguing based on speculations and assumptions.
Also, if you say you can prove that supernatural powers exist, click this thread and stand a chance to win millions of naira. Thank me later.

https://www.nairaland.com/6761238/win-2.5-million-naira-prove

If the link doesn't work, contact him on Twitter and tell him you want to join the challenge. Good luck.

I looked at the thread but as usual, all talk from the atheist but no action.
I can bet U don't even have the liver to enter a fake JuJu priest shrine in ikorodu not to talk about the ones in the village.
U go just kpai for nothing.

Let me tell U a story about what I witnessed

There was a time our meter was stolen. Someone came into the house and stole our meter.
My Dad demanded explanation from the vigilante because he paid his monthly fee dutifully and sometimes give extra. So what exactly is their usefulness if they couldn't watch guard at night?
My dad made it clear he wouldn't pay the vigilante fee anymore if they don't fish out the thief.
Few days later, they bought a man to our house and claim he was the thief. The guy denied it but the vigilante group insisted he was the thief.
They then forced him to take an oath on his life if he's truly innocent which he did. They took him to their shrine to enforce the oath. They specifically told him if he was lying he will burst to death.
The following week, I came back from school only to hear the thief was dead. What killed him- nobody knows. He just fell ill, became edematous and died.
A lot of people confirmed he actually stole our meter.

He could have had kidney failure, heart failure, liver failure whatever- they cause swollen body.
But the co incidence and correlation cannot be ignored.

His death rattled me because that would be the first time someone's death could be attributed to me indirectly and I thought about it for a long time.

They play.... supernatural force exist. Only the naive will deny it.

I will come back and explain the limitations.of these dark powers in the physical world B4 someone open their mouth and say why is it not helping Africa
develop?

kingxsamz:
Telling me "there has to be a creator" shows you're not even sure. So like I told the other guy, I'm not going to be arguing based on speculations and assumptions.
Also, if you say you can prove that supernatural powers exist, click this thread and stand a chance to win millions of naira. Thank me later.

https://www.nairaland.com/6761238/win-2.5-million-naira-prove

If the link doesn't work, contact him on Twitter and tell him you want to join the challenge. Good luck.

If he's willing to follow me to my home town, I will prove it to him. Simple as ABC.

'There has to be' mean it's impossible for an alternative to exist.
That's the point.
That we cannot prove it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
It only shows we have not developed the technology/innovation to discover it.
There was a time people didn't know about the existence of virus. Will U then say virus didn't exist at the time of their ignorance from people.

Again read more about metaphysical. All these weak arguments have been dealt with by philosophers as far back as the time of Aristotle and Plato. They all came down with the same conclusion- there must be an intelligent design for existence to make sense.

Nothing comes from nothing, and the chain of creation cannot be infinity, otherwise there will be no 1st cause. And without a first cause, there can't be an existence.
Everything that exists has a cause. If there is no first cause, then the chain of causes would go back infinitely, and there would be no explanation for why anything exists
There has to be an ultimate intelligent design for the universe, metaverse or whatever verse to make sense.

kingxsamz:
Yes, there's no proof. And if there's no proof, there's no point. You're just suggesting.
I don't need to believe there's a tree outside my house, it'll just be a fact.

Even if there's no god, there has to be a creator.
Law of infinite regress makes lack of a creator impossible.
Nothing comes from nothing, and the chain of creation cannot be infinity, otherwise there will be no 1st cause. And without a first cause, there can't be an existence.
Everything that exists has a cause. If there is no first cause, then the chain of causes would go back infinitely, and there would be no explanation for why anything exists
There has to be an ultimate intelligent design for the universe, metaverse or whatever verse to make sense.

The argument of existence happening by chance or random makes no sense. Its a theory that has no example in our world or universe or existence.
I'm yet to see any complex creation coming by chance or random- None.
Instead there are thousands of evidence purposeful creation and generation of complex creations including the eye.
And that's what Fxmasterz just proved.

And if there's actually a creator and he generates living souls, why do U think this intelligent design do not want us to be grateful to him.
A non living soul cannot create a living soul. So that intelligent design must have a soul. If he has a soul, why do U think he doesnt want to communicate with us?

Some may argue the intelligent designer doesn't need to have a soul but the dark powers in our world is evidence of existence of a soul.

If any atheist is denying existence of dark powers, he should allow me take him to my village and witness things. At least I can prove to any atheist existence of dark powers.

I would have been an agnostic myself if not for things I saw and witnessed while growing up in my home town.

Majesty7:
Most people have lost their lives due to dehydration. When you see someone faint. The first thing is to force that person to drink water. Forget mouth to mouth rubbish. Water is life. Many have lost their lives. Still doing my research on this

U will force water down the throat of someone unconscious?
Have U heard of aspiration? I hope U know people do choke to death.

lordm:
No Chinese airport or us

Chinese airports are notorious for delays and unexplained cancellations.
US airports needs serious infrastructural upgrade.

Stoplying:
Who is USA to dictate to Syria ?
Have you forgotten the "Qaddafi must go" chants in Washington ?, they even killed Qaddafi.

are they not paying for it. The massive uncontrolled migration into europe is due to the western led removal of Gaddafi and the war they started in syria.
No country should tell another what to do, there's a price to pay for pokenosing into what's not your business.
Russia too should collect.

So since Qasim won't take up the challenge, let's close the case and move to another topic.
Summary
We have been able to prove without any iota of doubt that
Ancient Judaism believed in the divine Messiah.
Ancient Jews believed a Messiah is coming who will die for their sin according to Isaiah 53. They call him the redeemer.
Daniel 7 and 8 is reference to Greece and desecration perpetrated by Anthiochus Epiphanes.

Thank u

Qasim6:
The prophecy is not even about Hadrian. I only gave you Hadrian as an example of Roman emperor that desecrated the temple mount.

The real deal is Constantine with his blasphemous mouth he used to chant "homoousios" at the council of Nicea.

Wetin concern me with Constantine. He can shout whatever he likes, not my business.

Instead I will show U trinity in the bible and would prove it to U that ancient Jews also believed in trinity.
I will bring the evidence, he go shock U.
Ancient Jews used to read about trinity from their scriptures in the synagogue.
Challenge me and I go shock U.
In fact challenge me on any of Christian belief and I will bring evidence ancient Jews also believed in the doctrine.

I can even show U evidence that the ancient Jews believed someone was going to die and reassurect on the 3rd day in their scriptures.

That's why Paul quoted the verse in 1 Corinthians 15

3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures

Challenge me on this verse and I will bring evidence ancient Jews believed the scripture mentioned someone will die and resurrect on the 3rd day.

EVERY SINGLE ONE OF OUR BELIEFS CAN BE TRACED TO THE PREVIOUS SCRIPTURES.

UNLIKE ISLAM THAT CANT BE TRACED TO ANY ABRAHAMIC FAITH DOCTRINE.
ISLAM IS PAGANISM, BOWING TO A STONE IS NOTHING BUT PAGAN PRACTICE COPIED FROM NEAR EAST ANCIENT IDOLATERS.

THAT'S WHY GOD HATE IT AND FORBID BOWING DOWN TO STONES.

Deut 16
22 and do not erect a sacred stone, for these the Lord your God hates.

Leviticus 26
Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for yourselves, and do not place a sacred stone in your land to bow down before it. I am the LORD your God.

Qasim will soon come here and say above verses cannot be trusted...
Bunch of jokers....

Qasim6:
The prophecy is not even about Hadrian. I only gave you Hadrian as an example of Roman emperor that desecrated the temple mount.

The real deal is Constantine with his blasphemous mouth he used to chant "homoousios" at the council of Nicea.

So who is the horn who desecrated the holy temple? He was mentioned 2ce.
Knowing him gives to cue to the prophecy.
He must be relevent to have been mentioned 2ce.

Qasim6:
dey there dey shine teeth. I go use prophecy wound you and your champion.

Wound who...
With your wuruwuru to the answer prophecy...
U have been arguing against evidence since we started.
In case U pretend not to miss it.
This is what John the Baptist, one of your prophets believed about the Messiah.

Qasim6:
SIRTee15

For the 4th kingdom.

It is a common knowledge the Romans overthrown the Greeks

Abi make we still delve into history mixed with some prophecies?

Drop it, U now sounding like a crack cd.
U want to delve into history. Which history? Are U better than bible scholars when it comes to history. They already told U the 4th beast is Greece and I agree.
The 4th beast had 10 horns representing kings. One of the king usurp the authorities of 3 others and invaded the holy place.

This is what Anthiochus did, he killed the incumbent, made sure the heir to the throne was trapped in Rome and later killed his joint heir.
Hadrian that U are pushing had no problem becoming emperor and had nobody challenged him to the throne.
He wasn't even among the first 10 emperors of Rome, he was number 15.

Daniel also said in the next chapter that the goat who desecrated the holy temple had ten horns and the atrocity was committed by the 4th one.
He called the goat greek empire. What more evidence do U want?
The great horn on the 4th beast couldn't have been talking about Hadrian. Titus even fit the picture better- he destroyed the temple, sacked Jews and called himself Messiah. But the problem is he did all those as a General and not Emperor.

This case is done and dusted. Argue with bible scholars who are natural historians.
Let me bust your next lie...
The prophet Moses spoke about.

Qasim6:
You can check Daniel 8 :20-21

So it had nothing to do with the 4 beasts.
Chapter 8 is about the ram and goat with horns.

So where did U see the 3rd beast was called Greece by Daniel?
Daniel called the goat Greece. The 3rd beast in chapter 7 is a leopard.

But notice a remarkable correlation in chapter 7 and 8.
Both the 4th beast in chapter 7 and the goat in 8 have mighty horns, and there's always a small horn that replace 3 previous horns- starts small and grew big. This 4th horn is always the one that defy the holy land and God's people in both chapter 7 and 8. He is the one that set himself against the temple by causing desecration

Did U notice the similarity? So if Daniel in 8 is telling U that the goat with horns is Greece who desecrated the holy land, then remove that bias islamic lens, go back to chapter 7 and look for the beast with horn who also desecrated the holy land.

Remember the unique symbol of Alexander the great, the mighty king of Greece is the HORN- Alexander the great is popularly called the two horned one.
That should tell U something.

There's no Rome in that passage. Anybody puting Rome is forcing his own interpretation.

Qasim6:
Consensus of scholars can't know more than Daniel that identified the 2nd and 3rd empires as Persia and Greece.

Quote the verse where he said above. And what empire is the 4th according to Daniel?
I can't see where Daniel mentioned Greece in chapter 7. Greece was mentioned in chapter 8 and not directly related to the 4 beasts

Qasim6:
Lol

Yeah, the Muslims brought them back.

When the Romans became Christian nation they continue to persecute the Jews. To spite them the Christains use temple mount as refuse dump. It was the Muslims led by the 2nd Caliph Umar that clean it up and allowed the Jews back in Jerusalem.

I gnored that claim because it was clear ignorance.
Immediately after Hadrian's death, Jews were allowed to return to Jerusalem.
Father Jerome wrote the Latin vulgate bible in 382 AD with the help of the Jews living inside Jerusalem.
Jerome didn't want to use the greek Septuagint for his old testament translation.
Instead he travelled to Jerusalem and met with Jewish rabbi who taught him Hebrew and helped him with the translation of Tanakh to Latin.

Qasim6:
What are you doing bro?

U better don't embarrass yourself.

Take a good look at Daniel prophecies yourself, and you will see he already identified the 2nd and 3rd empires after Babylon.

You are not getting out of this.

This is the most detailed prophecy that leads to our salvation. If you want to reject it, no problem. But don't come here with nonsense.

You are either going to accept Islam fulfilled the kingdom of God prophecy or you take it as failed prophecy. Whichever is your take, be my guest.

Cope harder.

So U rejecting the consensus of bible scholars?
Are U saying U know better than bible scholars?
Note these are all atheist bible scholars and not Christians.

Answer this question first and then I will go back to that passage and prove to U that the passage is about Greece and Anthiochus Epiphanes and Jesus Christ.
It can't be about Rome or Hadrian or Muhammad.

Qasim6:
This is the order of the kingdoms

Babylon - Persia - Greece - Rome.

If anyone give you any other order, they just want to take you for a fool, and it is definitely someone that has seen that it's Islam that fulfilled the kingdom of God prophecy and just trying to play smart. Media and Persia are the same thing.

Very interesting a Muslim is debunking bible scholars and claiming they are anti-islam.
Muslims that cent breathe without quoting bible scholars up and down- they confirmed bible has been corrupted, verses have been added and removed.
Now that table is turned, it's suddenly bible scholars cannot be trusted.
First ancient Jews, now bible scholars....
U see the hypocrisy and double standard of Muslims in glare public.

Once again I have no problem if a Muslim reject bible scholars opinion on the scriptures because they are not theists but historians. It's just the way Muslims quote them to validate their argument against Christianity that makes their hypocrisy stinks.

iamrealdeji:
Lunatic human worshipper. Christianity is perished already. Go to Europe and Americas to see how your slave masters embrace Islam everyday,don't you use social media at all? Only illiterates like you and your folks stick to Christianity with its numerous versions and errors rather than read Quran that's filled with thousands of scientific facts. Islam is world's fastest growing religion according to Google and Prophet Muhammad ﷺ is the greatest man to ever live according to Google. Maybe you're living in the past that your oblivious of what's going on around the world. Even Elon Musk said Christianity is perishing,Daddy Freeze,popular personalities around the world are saying the same. Prophet Jesus is said to be black again now,the man you so Idolize and call your God. Human worshippers will rot in the deepest pit of Jahannam hell fire 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

This guy is a waste of time.
Let me call other Muslims to answer my question.

Why did Allah decide to stop talking to people after 632 AD.
Why did he choose to go dumb.
Muhammed said Allah will no longer talk to anybody after him. Is that true? What's the rational behind such action.
Why would Allah just decide to go dumb after the talking to Muhammed?

cc Qasim, AntiChristian, honesttalk, expanse, Ohyoudidn't.

iamrealdeji:
Christianity is already perishing In Nigeria also,Muslims are now more than Christians in Nigeria here already and your scammer pastors are discouraging many from coming to church.

Christianity can never decline in Nigeria.
FYI, Pastor Jerry Eze just became the highest earning YouTuber in Nigeria with 7 billion naira he earned from YouTube last year.
He has over a 2 million dollars views per day, The prayer program streams daily on Facebook, YouTube, Instagram, and Mixlr topped the global chart with a record 113,689,464 views.
It is also the world’s second ‘most live viewers’ gospel channel and the ‘most watched live channel’ in Nigeria.

But unlike you, myself and most Christians will never use above as evidence to validate christianity or say Christianity is true because millions are joining in live stream prayers.

iamrealdeji:
Christianity is already perishing In Nigeria also,Muslims are now more than Christians in Nigeria here already and your scammer pastors are discouraging many from coming to church making them irreligious and the lucky ones converting to Islam. God said in Suratul Tawbah that Christianity and Jewish religion will be condemned because they lie that Jesus and Ezra are his children respectively parroting the words of previous disbelievers when,they wish to extinguish the light of God by calling his creations like Jesus God whereas the likes of Jesus told them to worship none but God,Allah said his light will even shine brigjter,today,Christianity and Jewish religion are dying,Islam is world's fastest growing religion . You better embrace Islam like smart people around the world are doing now if you don't want to rot in hell

This guy is just a rambling mad man.
His evidence for validity is Islam is that white people are becoming Muslims.
White people are also embracing homosexuality, does that validate homosexuality?
I use to think it's only black Christians that worship white man. I didn't know that inferiority complex and white man worshipping is a problem amongst Muslims.
Ask any Muslim nowadays why Islam is true. He will tell U because white people are becoming Muslims.
Have never seen such bizzare response to validate a belief on my life.

Kingsempires:
Oga sirteel you get knowledge about religion well "GOD BLESS YOU" I will go and study so ancient text you called here

Thanks.
Muslims are very dubious people when it comes to validating their religion.
And it's our duty to call them out and debunk their lies.

What some of them are doing now is to claim that ancient Judaism validates Islam and that the 2 beliefs are similar.

However what they don't know is that ancient Judaism post exilic period is actually a continuation of christianity. That's why 'James the just' could boldly preach in the temple.

It doesn't even make sense. Muslims can't call Allah father. Allah clearly told them not to call him father.
But God in the old testament declared people should call him Father.

I have used evidence to wound one confused naija Jewish boy but this Qasim is proving stubborn 🐐 as usual.

He go deny tire.

Qasim6:
Your delusion knows no bound

From the "hardcore irrefutable evidence" you brought, It is clearly written they believed the Patriarchs were pre-existing even before Christ, but you turn a blind eye to that.




Stop deceiving yourself, ancient Judaism does not validate your semi-pagan religion. You have nothing to stand on.



Guy, even some of them, if not all of them like the Ebionites saw Paul as heretic/apostate of the law and guess what? they read another gospel too written by Matthew in Hebrew and not the forged one we have now.

And James that was the leader of the Jerusalem messianic Jews was against Paul teachings. So why would they read Paul writings?




There is nothing divine about Isaiah 53. U r just seeing something that is not there. The striking resemblance in Isaiah 53 and life of Jeremiah is just too much to be discarded.



This is the order of the kingdoms

Babylon - Persia - Greece - Rome.

If anyone give you any other order, they just want to take you for a fool, and it is definitely someone that has seen that it's Islam that fulfilled the kingdom of God prophecy and just trying to play smart. Media and Persia are the same thing.

Emperor Hadrian desecrated the temple mount. Expelled the Jews and Messianic Jews from Jerusalem and placed the statue of Zeus on the temple mount. The ban on Jews was maintained until the Muslim conquest of Jerusalem in 636.


It is not a coincidence that the prophecies about that individual that God is going to send to the gentiles are always giving Prophet Muhammad vibes.

Isaiah 42: why would God be referencing villages of kedar. Kedar that is ancestor of Prophet Muhammad.

Deuteronomy 18:18: a prophet like Moses from among the brethren of the Israelites. and deut 34:10 went on to tell us "Never again did there arise in Israel a prophet like Moses—whom lord singled out, face to face."
So who is this prophet like Moses that is not Israelite.

Son of man of the book of Daniel: it is not a coincidence that the Islamic caliphate sacked the Romans the 4th kingdom from Babylon.

Even Jesus was reported to have said in Matthew 21:43 addressing the chief priest and the Pharisees "therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a nation that will produce its fruit"

The road map is there for anyone that cares about the truth.

Your whataboutism will not save u. I will embarrass U will ton of evidence until U are embarrassed to deny it.

Imagine telling me to reject old testament Scholastic work on book of Daniel and accept his own.
Imagine substituting actual temple for a mointian....wuruwuru to the answer.
Yet he's the one accusing me of forcing Jesus into the old testament.
I will come back and debunk your wuruwuru extrapolation.

Meanwhile collect another evidence of divine Messiah from the Essene.
Essenes, Pharisees and Sadducees sects were the Judaism philosophy in the 2nd temple period.
One of their popular member of Essene was John the Baptist.
Now let's look at what the mainstream Essene believed in that period.

AntiChristian:
You left what I posted and brought another! No be diversion be this?

If we are to believe yours then the ones I quoted are contradictions to these one verse you quoted!

Mr man show me where God said he writes the destiny and fate of individual and then hand them over the scripts to act.

We all know the world is entertainment wrestling to Allah. The script is already written, mankind only enter the ring to act out what has been written. Follow the script.
Very interesting.
Personally I don't have problem with fulfilling a written script.
But why should Allah condemn someone who only acted out the script that was given to him by same Allah.

Qasim6:
Let's assume they truly believed the Messiah was pre-existing, they also believed the patriarchs were pre-existing. Did they believe the patriarchs were divine?

Bring evidence the mainstream ancient Jews believed the partriach were pre existent. Stop making claims up. Bring evidence.
I brought evidence they believed the Messiah is not only persistent, but has the power of resurrection on the last day, will execute judgement on righteous and sinners on the last day n will rule both gentiles and Jews.
Above is divine attributes my friend, whether U accept or not isn't my problem but yours.

Qasim6:
Or do you believe the patriarchs were pre-existing?
This is the reason why I keep saying you can't rely solely on what they believed prior to the coming of Christ, the Messiah already came. We have seen the prophecy he fulfilled 💯.

This is what U should say and stop wasting my time. Just say ancient Judaism is corrupt just like the imaginary injil and Torah.
But don't come here n hope on ancient Judaism to validate your faith because they will disappoint U.
Ancient Judaism validate Christianity, it's the modern day rabinnical Jews that are now misinterpreting their scriptures to invalidate Jesus Christ.
If U want independent non bias exegesis of the Tanakh- go to 2nd temple Judaism texts and it will lead U straight to Christianity.
Remember the first Christians were Jews, they became Christians even when the NT wasn't even in existence. The only thing thing they had was oral gospel and Paul's letters.
If not for destruction of the Jerusalem in 70AD, modern day Judaism would have been the face and extension UNITARIAN CHRISTIANITY.

Qasim6:
He did not fulfill Isaiah 53 by not having offspring (suffering servant of Isaiah 53 is Prophet Jeremiah) nor the prophecy of son of man of the book of Daniel.

I don't have a problem if U as a Muslim say those passages isn't about Jesus, we can have a debate on that.
But what U can't deny is that those verses talk about a redemption messiah and a Messiah with divine attributes . To do so is to deny evidence.
So all U need to do is sit down and wait for that Messiah who will come and die for your sins and the Messiah who is pre existence, will judge the nation and reassurect the dead. This is definitely not Muhammed.

Qasim6:
His kingdom did not defeat the 4th empire from Babylon (Romans). Prophet Muhammad is the son of man of the book of Daniel, Islamic empire displaced the Romans.

I told U there is no Roman empire in that passage. The 4th beasts is Seleucid greek empire and not Roman empire.
No bible scholar believed the 4th beast is Rome, none.
No Roman emperor desecrated the holy temple, the Jews rebelled against the Roman empire twice and were thoroughly beaten blue black.
There's a reason all bible scholars believed the book of daniel was written around 175 BC. It's because of this 4th beast and it's correlation with Anthiochus the Seleucid king.

Qasim6:
I don't know how you guys treat prophecies. Prophecy is not something you just do wuru-wuru to the answer or else everyone will be able to fulfill every prophecy.

I'm happy U are saying this because when we show U there's no Muhammed in the bible, U won't start wuruwuru to the answer to insist a certain passage is about Muhammed.

Qasim6:
We will just be hearing Jesus fulfilled over 300 prophecies from Christians, under small scrutiny everything will be falling apart like a house of cards.


And the fact that Christianity have redefine words like holy spirit, Messiah, Son of man, Son of God, Father (when referring to God) to suit their idolatry and blasphemous doctrines does not mean every other Abrahamic faith should swallow their definitions. That is another thing you need to let sink in.

All above Christina definition fits perfectly with it's definition in 2nd temple Judaism.
Na Muslims dey on their own.
For example Muslims will say holy spirit is angel gabriel. Where they got that from, I don't know.
Qur'an never said so, no Jew past or present believed holy spirit is angel gabriel, even the Shia sect don't believe holy spirit is angel gabriel.
So how did sunni Islam come to that conclusion.

Another example.
Allah said no one should call him Father, that he's not a Father anybody.
Ok let's agree Christians corrupted the word thus let's leave New testament out of it.
Let's go to old testament...
God called himself Father in exodus and Deuteronomy, David called him father in Psalms and proverbs. Jeremiah called him father, Isaiah called him father multiple times, Hosea and Malachi also called him father.
Can they all be lying ?

My friend, press the brake and do some retrospection.
Remove that bias lens and look at your book objectively, Qur'an can't stand any independent scrutiny, the theology of Islam cannot be validated with any other previous abrahamic religion. Too many flaws.
As I said earlier, if Christianity is tested against ancient Judaism esp the 2nd temple era, what U will see is a spectrum of continuity in both religions. That's why the first Christians were Jews.

We can't apply above to islam at all, the religion and it's theology becomes problematic. That proves he brought a different religion.

FYI, the early Christians use to meet and preach in the Jerusalem temple, U can't be allowed to preach blasphemy in the temple.
James the just was killed in the temple by jealous Pharisee, the people rebelled against his killing and the high priest who ordered his assassination was punished by Rome.
That's to show how the people of Jerusalem regard the brother of Jesus when he was head of the church!!

Islam as established by Muhammed is fake and a man made religion. That's the truth. He brought a new and different religion.
Take Muhammed out of Islam, then maybe we can have a discussion.

Finally I will advise U to study the Targum, Mishnah and Talmud written btw post exilic period and up to around 300AD when the knowledge and beliefs of Christianity was relatively unknown to the rabinnical Jews. What U will find will surprise U...trust me. Their writings will be pointing U towards Christianity.

iamrealdeji:
Lunatic human worshipper. Christianity is perished already. Go to Europe and Americas to see how your slave masters embrace Islam everyday,don't you use social media at all? Only illiterates like you and your folks stick to Christianity with its numerous versions and errors rather than read Quran that's filled with thousands of scientific facts. Islam is world's fastest growing religion according to Google and Prophet Muhammad ﷺ is the greatest man to ever live according to Google. Maybe you're living in the past that your oblivious of what's going on around the world. Even Elon Musk said Christianity is perishing,Daddy Freeze,popular personalities around the world are saying the same. Prophet Jesus is said to be black again now,the man you so Idolize and call your God. Human worshippers will rot in the deepest pit of Jahannam hell fire 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

Mr Man stop rambling....
That Christianity is wrong doesn't make Islam right.
There was a time communism was the fastest growing political movement, where is it today?
It's all garbage in garbage out.

Tell me why did the Qur'an say the earth is spread flat.
Why did the Qur'an say baby comes from the rib and the back bone.
And tell me why did Allah use glue to seal his mouth after the death of Muhammed
How come Allah has refused to talk to anybody n become dumb going for 1600 yrs.
Muslims worship a dumb god, a god that doesn't talk.
What lunacy.
Even traditional worshippers have gods that talks to them regularly.
But Muslims bow to a dumb god that doesn't talk because Muhammed said so.
Muhammed said after him Allah will no longer talk to anybody.
What a scam!!!! Baba scammer!!
U better use your head, Islam is one big scam.

iamrealdeji:
Ignorance,illiteracy,fish brain,trying to act like your slave masters is making you look so ridiculous. Read Quran translation to learn real science

Learn real science from Quran? a book that said babies are made from the ribs and the backbone.
A book that failed woefully in mathematics, the formula it gave for inheritance was so problematic that arabs later had to develop algebra to solve the problem.
A book that said the earth is spread flat.

Everything is so wrong with Islam. U worship a God that stopped talking after 632 AD, that's 1400 years ago. Last person Allah spoke to was Muhammed, after that he went dumb and mute- refusing to talk anymore.

I wonder what will make a god to just stop talking. something God been doing for over 5 thousands years, a man came out of nowhere and announced he will be the last person to talk to God, after him God will no longer talk to anybody.
So Muslims worship a God that doesnt talk because Muhammed said so.
If that's not a clear case of fraud and lies, u are free to believe in your delulu.

Qasim6:
Keep ranting

You have brought nothing again as evidence.

Maybe you mistook reading your Christian opinion into their writings as evidence.

Someone coming miraculously does not indicate divinity.

Do ancient Judaism believe the Messiah has divine attributes.
Let's check what the Jews during the time of Jesus believe.

Summary
Pharisees during the time of Jesus believed
The Messiah is pre existence.
The Messiah has the power of resurrection.
The Messiah will rule both Israelites and Gentiles
The Messiah will reign and execute judgement on sinners.