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FRANCISTOWN:
I've always been very silent about Islam, the reason is because, anyone with common sense should know that the Qur'an is just an adulterated version of the Bible.
So, demystifying the Bible God is equal to nullifying Allah and Muhammad his slave.

That being said. Lemme ask you christian sheeples one single question that you've not been able to provide any reasonable answers to.

As a christian, what do you have in your life that is not found in the lives of people who are not christians?

What has that Jesus done for you that has not been done in the lives of people who are not christians?

Once you are able to bring yourself to total sincerity and honesty, then you will understand what atheists have been saying all along.

You see, one of the most dangerous things in life is wishful thinking.

I'm not a christian, but I have several of them that I pay monthly some weekly, some upon a completion of project.
They address me as "sir" , some who are even older than me almost want to prostrate but I always decline.

If your bible said you shall be the head and not the tail, how come me, myself , who is not a christian is the head now and they are the tail?

The true things of life are the things you can see while the false things of life are the things you want to see.

All the things you have in the Bible are mere wishful thinkings. Yahweh is not a living thing neither is Jesus his errand boy.
There is nothing, I repeat nothing they can do for you.
Your life is your responsibility.

I think I read somewhere that U were an altar boy in catholic b4 becoming atheist.
I've always said it, those who leave Christianity do so because they don't understand the faith. No true Christian who understands the bible will ever leave.
These ex Christians simply make erroneous assumptions from the bible which unfortunately becomes their reality. Then they make ignorant decisions based on these falsehoods.

And to be sincere, I don't blame them. The church has taken too many things for granted in the last few decades without checking if the members are on the same page with the pulpit.
The bible says work out your salvation with fear and trembling, unfortunately today's church has failed to guarantee it's own salvation.
The members are seeing this and are beginning to question the faith.
I myself had my own challenge reconciling my belief with the message coming from the pulpit and at a time I began to drift away. That was until I began to study the bible myself and research the theology within it.
The revelation from the bible is clear- it's impossible for the bible to be false. It's impossible for the message coming from the bible to be made up.

If U actually take time to study and research the theology of Christianity, U can only come to one conclusion. The God of the Bible is the only true God.

I can take U on this journey so long as U have an open mind and willing to learn new things.
I remember I debated one of U agnostic here called Nonethnicity or something like that. By the time I disconnected his claims from reality, he couldn't continue because he was stuck.

moscow007:
When it's about protecting Islamic interests you will not see Al Quaeda, Palestinians are being shredded on a daily, nothing from Al Quaeda.

But once it serves the interest of the West, they are mobilized and armed.

Now you know their sponsors, the West creates their own enemies to stay relevant, including Biko Haram.

U are very naive. U think international politics start and end with west Vs Russia.
Have U asked yourself why Saudi Arabia and Egypt refuse to support the Palestinian cause?
Weak Sunni muslim gulf countries are being surrounded by militarily strong Shia Muslim backed regime- Hamas, Hezbollah, Yemen, Iraq and their chief sponsor Iran.
And U think Al Qaeda, a sunni terrorist group will jump and give voice to a cause against the interest of their sponsors.
Saudi Arabia will just cut off funding.

Next time, Use your brain b4 you write. Hamas is the common enemy of the Muslim gulf countries and NOT Israel.

Ok, but Africans have heard enough of all these motivational speech.
What we need is action. Put words into action.
Develop your country and let's hear something good about Burkina faso.

Africans are thirsty for the first successful black nation.

AntiChristian:
You mentioned it so you must explain it.

How did the Prophet and his companions struck their wives?
Are they wife beaters?

I understood it the way they understood the verse!

Yes, the companions of Muhammed beat their wives.
Aisha confirmed it.


Narrated `Ikrima:

Rifa`a divorced his wife whereupon `AbdurRahman bin Az-Zubair Al-Qurazi married her. `Aisha said that the lady (came), wearing a green veil (and complained to her (Aisha) of her husband and showed her a green spot on her skin caused by beating). It was the habit of ladies to support each other, so when Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) came, `Aisha said, "I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women. Look! Her skin is greener than her clothes!"

So Yes Muslims men beat their wives according to your books.

Now when the Quran says strike your wives, does it mean beat your wives as described by Aisha, mother of believers.

AntiChristian:
I should do homework on what you have no proof for from the Bible?

Don't worry wait for Honesttalk he will show U the verse.

Now do U agree strike your wife means beat your wife in both Arabic and English version of the Qur'an?

AntiChristian:
Where in the Bible is it said that the inscriptions were in many languages for each Gospels to have written different wordings?

Go and do your own home work. No food for lazy man.
Just imagine, he hasn't done his own assignment but came here to post a topic on passion of Christ based on poor knowledge.

Honesttalk be like say U sabi bible pass this otondo.
Pls show him the bible verse.

AntiChristian:
Where was the Holy Spirit when they were writing different things?
And where in the Bible is it said that the wordings was written in four different languages!
Each writer was just trying to prove a point making Jesus the king of the Jews!

Anyways we are not Jews!

This is done and dusted.
You are the one who should bring evidence that the different inscriptions are the same letter for letter and word for word.

It's common sense that sentences are not translated literally when written in different languages. They are translated in such way that the message and meaning remain the same in different languages.
This is the standard in the linguistic scholastic works.

For example 'Man is dog best friend' when translated to Yoruba becomes 'Aja ni ore eniyan'

Those two words are not the same literally but the translation is correct and the message it conveys is the same.

It's just common sense, something very rare among Muslims illiterate apologetics.


Funny enough Quran has the same problem of literal translation.
That's why modern Muslims are denying some passages in Qur'an claiming the original Arabic doesn't have the same meaning.

For example the Quran says husband should strike their wives when they disobey.

modern westernised Muslims who are embarrassed by that verse will claim the Arabic word for strike is a literal translation and the meaning of the word is different in the Arabic Quran.

AntiChristian what's your opinion on this?

AntiChristian:
If you like visit the Qur'an as far as the thread is not about Islam i reserve the right to answer or not!

So in essence, only John is correct while the others are wrong?

1. Mark 15:26 - The inscription:“The King of the Jews.”

2. Matthew 27:37 - The inscription: “This is Jesus the King of the Jews.”

3. Luke 23:38 - The inscription: “This is the King of the Jews.”

4. John 19:19 - The inscription: “Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews.”

John wrote down the Aramaic inscription in his book.
Mark wrote down the Latin inscription in his book
Luke wrote down the greek inscription in his book.
Matthew wrote down the Hebrew translation of the inscription in his book.

They were all correct. They simply wrote down what was written in different languages in different LITERAL TRANSLATION.

What's so difficult to understand here.

AntiChristian:
That's none of my business! What's written in those languages? Or do you mean the four options are written in those three languages on the cross?

That's 12 inscriptions on Jesus's cross!

There were 3 inscriptions on Jesus cross written in 3 different languages..
Aramaic, greek and Latin. The Pharisees also interpreted the reading in Hebrew making 4 readings.

Except U here to tell me the inscriptions in the 4 languages are the same letter for letter, word for word which is impossible due to linguistic challenges....U have no point.

For example ....
I could write

The king of the Jews in English
Then in Yoruba write ELEYI NI OBA AWON JU OR OHUN NI OBA AWON JU.

THOSE THREE SENTENCE MEAN THE SAME THING AND COULD BE TRANSLATED VICE VERSA BUT THE LITERAL TRANSLATION IS DIFFERENT.

IF 'ELEYI NI OBA AWON JU' IS TRANSLATED LITERALLY INTO ENGLISH, IT BECOMES 'THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS'

SO LANGUAGE TRANSLATION IS DIFFERENT FROM LITERAL TRANSLATION. THE ULTIMATE IS THE MEANING OF SENTENCE IS PRESERVED.

PILATE WANTED TO BE SURE PEOPLE GOT HIS MESSAGE CLEARLY, HE WOULD FOCUS ON PROPER TRANSLATION OF HIS MESSAGE RATHER THAN SOME LITERAL TRANSLATION NUANCES.

PEOPLE WHO READ THE INSCRIPTIONS IN DIFFERENT LANGUAGES KNEW IT MEANT THE SAME THING.

THE BIBLE AUTHORS SIMPLY WROTE THE INSCRIPTIONS THAT WAS REPORTED TO THEM OR THE ONE THEY UNDERSTOOD.
Luke wasn't at the cross, they told him what was written in greek and he wrote it down.
Mark wasnt at the cross, they told him what was written in Latin ( and he translated it to greek) since he wrote his gospel while in Rome.
Matthew was writing to his fellow Jews, he reported the inscription in Hebrew and then translated it to greek.
John was at the cross, saw what was written in Aramaic and translated it to greek.

The Aramaic inscription has Yeoshua included while it was omitted in both greek and Latin because Yeoshua is a native Jewish name and has no meaning in either greek or Latin.
The greek name Ieosous and the Latin name Iesus are all transliteration. Ieosous and Iesus has no meaning in the respective language.
Just like Adetokunbo becomes Antetokounmpoin in greek. Antekoumpoin doesn't have any meaning in greek.
Including Yeoshua in the greek/Latin inscription may confuse readers who may then misinterpret the message, thus Pilate choose to skip it.

I believe if U are sincere, this will settle it. However if U persist in your nuisance behaviour, we will visit the Quran and test the literal translation hypothesis on it and the see how it fares.

AntiChristian:
How's that our business? I am talking about the inscription and you are trying to divert to another thing!

Which of them is true? Which are wrong?

Are all of them true to you too?

The inscription was written in 3 languages: greek, Aramaic and Latin.
Do U know that?

AntiChristian:
Abeg, it does matter!

If you're asked what the inscription on the cross is you can only give one of those options!

Which makes others wrong!

Was "Nazareth" written on the cross?

I know where this will end!

Paul's the letter killeth and I need the holy spirit to explain things to me!

Why didn't the holy spirit correct Matthew, Mark, Luke and John to write the correct inscription?

All of them are different! Each having a 0.25 probability of being true! That's a low possibility!

How many languages was the inscription written?

Veetee:
These days I have been wondering how the dating pool has gone from bad to worse.

I would make this story brief. A friend of mine though married was trying to get a side chic for himself.
He met a girl on instagram and they have been chatting for sometime. He shuttles between canada and nigeria, since his family lives abroad.
We both had a man to man discussion where he talked about getting tired of doing runs girls that you would have to pay money to nack

The girl is a student of unical. So while he was in canada they both got talking, doing video call and the rest.
Once in a while he sends her money, 250k, 100k from time to time.

Then he said he noticed something, the girl travelled to zanzibar in Tanzania on a pleasure and vacation trip. He said during that period she doesnt respond to calls and text messages. he was wondering how a student could afford such an experience trip out of the country. In my mind I was like these young yahoo boys must have sponsored such trips.

After he returned from canada to nigeria, back to his base in lagos. they got talking and he asked her to visit him in lagos from calabar

He sent her 320k for her flight ticket. she requested for some other money which he sent 100k.

Omo after she got the money she didnt book the ticket because according to her the network was bad and she doesnt want it to het stuck.

They started going back and forth of this booking issue. my friend got frustrated along the way , that was when i got to know about the story.

sometimes he would call she wont respond, claiming she is in class. At the end my friend asked her to return the money to his travel agent
somehow she found that suggestion annoying. She angrily told him to send his own account so she can refund that she is no longer interested in seeing me.

My own conclusion in this story is if you are dating a beautiful girl in nigeria, you have a lot to do. The competition is very fierce.

These young yahoo boys at the moment have so much money to lavish on these ladies. If you are a young man doing legit hussle, my advice for you is just focus on your hustle.

Something must be seriously wrong with naija men, their entitlement is nauseating.

So a married man who engages in adultery thinks he should be controlling a fornicator because he has money.

A married adulterer thinks he has better morals than a single fornicator.

Well Oga sorry, the fornicator also has her own life of deception of live. As U are doing cover up, she took is doing cover up at her own end.

I'm sure U would be mad if she calls U at 12 am midnight when U with your wife in Canada.

So as U are pointing one accusing finger at the girl remember four of your own finger is pointing at U.

AntiChristian:
If.a man comes upon on your sister and she gets pregnant what do we say? And you all agree God can become man once on earth! Holy spirit can come upon Mary to make her pregnant! Same as Genesis 6:2.

I will keep writing in fact I wrote two yesterday and more in the pipeline!

You think you can derail the thread?

Just like I said earlier, U don't care about Islam
So if your nonsense post bring ridicule to Islam U care less.
U already realised Muhammed is a false prophet n Quran is a forgery.
So insulting the religion further doesn't affect u.

AntiChristian:
If.a man comes upon on your sister and she gets pregnant what do we say? And you all agree God can become man once on earth! Holy spirit can come upon Mary to make her pregnant! Same as Genesis 6:2.

I will keep writing in fact I wrote two yesterday and more in the pipeline!

You think you can derail the thread?

Yeah just like holy spirit came upon Isaiah and Samson impregnated them
Ode

AntiChristian:
I don't think I need to reply you any longer after this.

The appeared as a perfect man. What's illogical in this? Your own angel can appear and fight Jacob yet lose! How did he lose?

The Angel was sent to make give Mary the news of Jesus son of Mary and the Angel blew in to the sleeves of her garment!

How did he blow you can check your favourite porn film! You can also look for how the holy spirit cum upon her plus how the power of the most high overshadowed her!

On this topic bye!

see how stupeed you sound.
talking about cum as if angel Gabriel spoke to Mary in English.
seeing cum everywhere.
just see how u end up in kpotokpoto. If I am Muslim, I will warn u to stop disgracing islam and bringing Quran to the mud by writing on christianity here on nairaland.

TenQ:
A Donkey will carry a whole library on its back yet reman totally ignorant. This is the case of Antichristian and others on the fact that the Holy Spirit comes upon people for empowerment purpose: it is also called the anointing

I'm beginning to suspect this AntiChristian.
He has engaged enough and long time with Christians here to know Islam is false.

I can bet deep within him he knows Muhammed is a false prophet and never spoke to any angel.
We have shown him countless times the problematic theology in Islam but yet remains obstinate.

I'm beginning to think he's benefiting from Islam. Only God knows if he's the treasurer of one Haj pilgrimage committee. The financial gain he's getting from Islam would not allowed him leave the religion.

AntiChristian:
Yes, according to the Bible he stopped!

Leave the bible out of your confusion.

Answer my question with the Quran.

According to the Qur'an, did Jubril stop being an angel when he appeared to Mary as a Man.

AntiChristian:
Your hypocrisy is legendary! I once asked how did the holy spirit cum on Mary? How did the power of the most high overshadow her to get pregnant?

See the holy spirit on Samson below:
In Judges 15:14-16
As he approached Lehi, the Philistines came toward him shouting. The Spirit of the Lord came powerfully upon him. The ropes on his arms became like charred flax, and the bindings dropped from his hands. Finding a fresh jawbone of a donkey, he grabbed it and struck down a thousand men.

If it's in the Qur'an now you'll shout the holy spirit supports terrorism! But you'll always have one excuse or the other for the Bible!

Ok, at least U have admitted holy spirit coming upon a person has nothing to do with sex.
That settles the matter with holy spirit coming upon Mary.

Now why did a Man who appeared to Mary, lifted up her garment and blew into it.
In case U don't know, that's sexual assault.
Did the Man seek Mary's permission b4 lifting up her garment and blowing into her farjah.
Did Mary give consent?

Sorry but the whole event looks very gross and disturbing.
And yes, it's sexual assault. It's a violation of Mary's personal space, privacy and dignity.

It's wrong for a Man to appear to a woman in her room, lift up her garment and blew into it without consent.

Christistruth02:
Those were the days

We remember someone who said as a kid he got home from school and on finding nobody at home

he was crying and begging Jesus for another chance because he thought his family had been Raptured

without him

He was still on the floor crying when his mother walked in the house

Even little kids understood the message well


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiOB-pG1w84&pp=ygUVT2JhZGFyZSBzZWNvbmQgY29taW5n

I think we should be guided by the scripture and not by emotions.

The early Christians were also engrossed with the 2nd coming of Jesus that they abandoned everything else for the apocalyptic coming. They didn't even bother to write down the gospel of the Lord because they felt it was needless since he was coming back soon.
They refused to join other Jews in their wars against Roman occupation because they regarded it as a worldly affair. To them, Jesus was coming back to reign on earth over both Jews and Romans.

Even Paul had to write to them in Thessaloniki and reprimanded them for this erroneous belief. He admonished them to engage actively within their community because no one knows when Christ is coming back.

The need to write the gospels only came up when the early Christians started dying without the coming of the Lord. That's why the gospels have late dates.

Jesus made it clear the kingdom of God is here and eternity is now. Believers are to live like the 2nd coming of the Lord is the next minute.
As believers it's not our business to anticipate the hour but we should live our life as if the hour is now.

In that case, emphasis should be on righteous living, fulfilling purpose, being active in the Lord's vineyard, winning souls and spreading the gospel.

Above is what the kingdom of God is all about.

bassdow:
whiteMan insists on Passport, among many other documents before allowing BlackMan visit their country despite collecting huge money as fees.
yet na same whiteMan dey promise blackMan heaven free of charge.

This is stale.
Work hard and develop your country. No food for lazy man.
Nobody owes you anything.

AntiChristian:
If Mary had seen an Angel she'd run away!

I just want to clarify. Did Jubril stop being an angel when he appeared to Mary.

AntiChristian:
Holy did not overshadow Mary! Holy spirit came upon Mary?

How does a spirit come upon a woman? How does a man cum upon a woman?
That should be more disturbing to you!

Holy spirit come upon prophets to manifest his work.

Acts 1.8
[i]But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.

Judges 14.6
The Spirit of the LORD came powerfully upon Samson so that he tore the lion apart with his bare hands as he might have torn a young goat. But he told neither his father nor his mother what he had done.

Isaiah 42.1
Behold my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen, in whom my soul delights; I have put my Spirit upon him; he will bring forth justice to the nations.

Isaiah 61.1
The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me, because the Lord has anointed me to bring good news to the poor; he has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to those who are bound;

Isaiah 11:2
2 The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him— the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of might, the Spirit of the knowledge and fear of the LORD

Judges 3
10 The Spirit of the LORD came on him, so that he became Israel’s judge and went to war. The LORD gave Cushan-Rishathaim king of Aram into the hands of Othniel, who overpowered him.

1 Chronicles 12:18-20
18 Then the Spirit came upon Amasai, chief of the Thirty, and he said: “We are yours, David! We are with you, son of Jesse! Success, success to you, and success to those who help you, for your God will help you.” So David received them and made them leaders of his raiding bands.

Numbers 11
16 The Lord answered Moses, “Bring Me 70 men from Israel known to you as elders and officers of the people. Take them to the tent of meeting and have them stand there with you. 17 Then I will come down and speak with you there. I will take some of the Spirit who is on you and put the Spirit on them. They will help you bear the burden of the people, so that you do not have to bear it by yourself.
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These are verses where the Holy spirit came upon people to manifest his mighty work. There's nothing disturbing about it and there's nothing about Holy spirit coming upon Mary that's disturbing.

But I find it very disturbing that a Man sent by God would blow under a woman's garment to perform miracle.
That's very gross.

AntiChristian:
How did the Angel do the blowing?
Tell us what you're thinking as led by the holy spirit?

The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you” is a quote from the Bible as regards Mary and the Angel in Luke 1:35

Hypocrites will interpret the Qur'an with the porn in their mind but their Bible will be interpreted by the holy spirit!

What's the Holy spirit's business coming upon Mary? Why did the power of the most high overshadow Mary? But the Angel can't blow into her garment?

Holy spirit overshadow believers to manifest his work/miracles. Mary getting pregnant without intimacy is a miracle from the holy spirit.

But jubril blowing into the garment of Mary sounds very disturbing to be honest. why is he blowing the miracle into her garment? why cant jubril just blow into her face, why must it be under her garment?

AntiChristian:
What does an Angel do?
Does the Angel appear as an Angel at that time?

I think you should be able to answer the question on your own!

so u mean when Jubril appeared to Mary as a man, he wasn't an angel during those time duration.
is that what u saying?

Qasim6:
We don't have problem with an angelic being incarnating as a man.

According to our own understanding, Angel incarnating as a man does not mean the angel will drop-by at the nearest restaurant for a hot plate of Amala. Angel incarnating as a man simply means the angel appears outwardly as a man and remain an angel in essence such that the angel does not require food, oxygen etc to function effectively.

For example: the Qur'an narrative of when 3 angels on their way to Sodom and Gomorrah visited Abraham to give glad tidings of Isaac they refused to eat the food given to them whereas they ate the food in the Biblical narrative...

For us angel appearing as a Man and becoming a man is not the same thing.

Incarnation is incarnation- what matters is taking upon the form of another nature. In this case, taking the form of a man.
I never said the essence will change.
when I become angry, my nature doesnt change, my personality/emotion remain the same. That's why I can be angry and nice at the same time depending on the person triggering my emotion.
The angels in the Quran didn't eat but they spoke like humans, behaved like humans, walked like humans, exhibited human characteristics that made people mistake them for humans.

when Jubril visited Muhammed, zainab thought the jubril was one of muhammed's friends because he looked like him.

The difference with the incarnation of word of God is he incarnated into a real human nature.
The word of God took upon him the form of a real human and manifested through this true human nature.
The union of this 2 nature is called Jesus Christ.
That doesn't mean the word of God changed into human.

Tolu2024:
As someone trying to japa from Nigeria I want to ask this question Nigerians living in Europe how is life over there and how long will it take to get your papers if you come with work visa or how will before your wife will join you if you are married. Will through school be the best option? I really need answers please I am married and I want to leave to country my wife will join me asap.

This is 2024. nothing special about travelling abroad anymore
u work your ass out if u intend to achieve anything here. if u are not naturally hard working and smart, its going to be same rat race with a pseudo consolation that u doing it for your kids.
laziness is not rewarded in anyway, sycophancy gets u no where. corruption i seriously frowned upon and paying taxes is real.
saving is a strong culture u need to inculcate, otherwise it will be a case of living paycheck to paycheck.
Good thing is strong work ethic is rewarded and the system functions relatively ok. so u can easily get by.

AntiChristian:
Once again Allah never said that in the Qu'ran!

Here are some interpretations:
Sahih International: And [the example of] Mary, the daughter of 'Imran, who guarded her chastity, so We blew into [her garment] through Our angel, and she believed in the words of her Lord and His scriptures and was of the devoutly obedient.

Pickthall: And Mary, daughter of 'Imran, whose body was chaste, therefore We breathed therein something of Our Spirit. And she put faith in the words of her Lord and His scriptures, and was of the obedient.

Yusuf Ali: And Mary the daughter of 'Imran, who guarded her chastity; and We breathed into (her body) of Our spirit; and she testified to the truth of the words of her Lord and of His Revelations, and was one of the devout (servants).

Shakir: And Mariam, the daughter of Imran, who guarded her chastity, so We breathed into her of Our inspiration and she accepted the truth of the words of her Lord and His books, and she was of, the obedient ones.

Muhammad Sarwar: He has also told, as a parable, the story of Mary, daughter of Imran who preserved her virginity and (into whose womb) We breathed Our spirit. She made the words of her Lord and the predictions in His Books come true. She was an obedient woman.

Mohsin Khan: And Maryam (Mary), the daughter of 'Imran who guarded her chastity; and We breathed into (the sleeve of her shirt or her garment) through Our Ruh [i.e. Jibrael (Gabriel)], and she testified to the truth of the Words of her Lord [i.e. believed in the Words of Allah: "Be!" and he was; that is 'Iesa (Jesus) ­ son of Maryam (Mary); as a Messenger of Allah], and (also believed in) His Scriptures, and she was of the Qanitin (i.e. obedient to Allah).

Arberry: And Mary, Imran's daughter, who guarded her virginity, so We breathed into her of Our Spirit, and she confirmed the Words of her Lord and His Books, and became one of the obedient

As per the lie you claimed i lied, the tafsirs vindicates me!
First of all, scholars of Tafseer had several opinions regarding the meaning of Farjaha (her Farj) in the saying of Allaah The Almighty: {Who guarded Farjaha}[Quran 66: 12] Some of them said: "It means the known private part." Some others said: "It means the neck opening of her garment in which Jibreel (Gabriel) blew and that breath went into her womb; this is how ‘Eesa (Jesus) may Allaah exalt his mention was conceived."

Ibn Jareer At-Tabari may Allaah have mercy upon him said: "There are different opinions regarding the Farj that Allaah The Almighty said that she guarded. Some said: "It refers to her private part that she guarded against fornication. Some others said: "It means the neck opening of her garment from which she prevented Jibreel before she came to know that he was the messenger of her Lord. This is proved by His saying {So We blew into her} and this followed His saying: {Who guarded Farjaha}. They said: "In this way, the meaning is: who guarded the neck opening of her garment and We blew into it [her garment] through Our angel."

Al-Qurtubi may Allaah have mercy upon him said in his Tafseer: "{Who guarded Farjaha} meaning, who guarded her chastity and refrained from fornication. It was also said: "The word Farj means the neck opening of the garment, meaning no suspicion afflicted her garment (i.e. honor)." In other words, her garment (honor) is pure. A garment has four openings: Two sleeves and the upper and lower openings... " [End quote]

Az-Zarkashi may Allaah have mercy upon him said in Al-Burhaan: "Whoever thinks that it means the private part is really mistaken. Rather, it is one of the finest and best metonymy. It refers to the neck opening of the garment, i.e. no suspicion afflicted her garment (honor). She has pure garments (i.e. she is chaste); and the garment has four openings; two sleeves…etc." [End quote]

If we assume that what is meant is the private part, as is the view of Ibn Jareer At-Tabari may Allaah have mercy upon him then Allaah The Almighty has mentioned it about Maryam (Mary) to explain her chastity and prove her innocence of what the Jews, may Allaah curse them repeatedly, accused her of.

Hence, explicit mention of such matters that the questioner called 'sexual' is not considered dispraised in all conditions.

I find it very disturbing that an Angel blew into Mary's garment.
what is Angel's business with a women's privacy?

AntiChristian:
He appeared as a man! So at that moment he was a man, a messenger of Allah as the verse said!

So are u saying at that moment he appeared as a man, he stopped being an angel?

Ohyoudidnt:
Mind your temper .

are appearing angry or u have become angry with me
which one

Ohyoudidnt:
A caterpillar transforms into a butterfly and is very different from a butterfly appearing as a butterfly.

sorry but cant make sense of above, I never used the word transform so dont know why u referencing it.

Ohyoudidnt:
Becoming angry is an internal emotion while appearing angry is a perception which can differ from the truth of emotion.

ok fine, lets go with your definition.
now if I took upon the emotion of anger. is that my whole emotion? dont i still have other internal emotions?
are u saying my whole emotion have changed to anger?
cant I be angry with someone and nice to another person at the same time.
can't I be evil and yet loving at the same time to different persons.
I can turn left and be very angry at a person, yet turn right next moment and be very nice to another person.
Doesn't that tell u that my personality remain the same, it hasn't changed to anger. I have only taking upon me the emotion of anger which is not my personality. My personality remain who I am which is what defines me, not whatever emotion I choose to manifest.

Ohyoudidnt:
Part of your triune god incarnated without the rest isn't it and while in its incarnation still remained same with the other parts?

Guy rest. u guys dont have what it takes to debate trinity.
abi no be basic theology terminology dey cause trouble for here.
ordinary definition of incarnation, muslims cant define. Yet their koran has example of incarnation.

If i ask u to tell me the difference btw a being and a person, another wahala go start.
The one TenQ cause, we never end am.
But how can u understand Trinity if u dont know the difference btw being and person.

Ohyoudidnt:
Keep spinning maybe the music will one day make me dance.

the only dance i want u to embrace is the gospel of christ.
That's the music I'm playing here.

Ohyoudidnt:
Social transitioning doesn't eliminate the reality or does it? Will the 'social girl' experience the real girls monthly cycle too?

exactly what we talking about here.
A boy doesnt change to a girl simply because he looks like a girl.
Jubril didnt change to a man simply because he looks like a man
and God the Son didnt change to a man simply because he looks like a man.

The word became flesh doesnt mean the word changed to flesh.

Do u get it now. highlighted is very fundamental in the understanding of trinity.

AntiChristian:
That's false! A man can die. Can an Angel die when they become man?

Yes, if they incarnate into a real human nature. That's why the fallen angels could have sex and procreate.
They had real human nature.

AntiChristian:
The main difference between "become" and "appear" is that "become" means to start to be something, while "appear" means to come into view or seem to look a certain way.

You can become angry. That's means you transitioned from not being angry to being angry! But when you appear to be angry you may be truly angry or just faking it.

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AntiChristian no go kill me

So if I appear nice, I can fake it; but if I become nice, I'm not faking it.
Is that what U saying? Does that make sense to U.

TenQ really created serious problem with that Jubril appearing as a man angle.
It's a very serious problem.

Ohyoudidnt:
I see that the cause of your confusion is really deep.

The way Jibril manifested did not change his fundamental nature as an angel. It was a temporal appearance to fulfil the passage of a message.

Angels can assume different forms for specific missions and still remain essentially angels.


You are trying but have feelings become physical manifestation? Please describe how anger looks

Are U ok? Did I mention Jubril changed his nature?
Where did I say Jubril changed his nature.
Pls if your English comprehension is poor, sort yourself out. Don't project that on me.

Incarnation doesn't mean change.
Change is substituting a substance for another. This is not incarnation.

I said Jubril became a man, I never said Jubril changed to a man

Appearance and become is the same thing within the context we talking about here.

When U take upon yourself another nature to appear as such. That's incarnation and U become the new nature.
That doesn't mean the original nature is gone...it's still intact.

If English hard, it's ok. But let me help U

Tell me the difference btw
I became angry and I appeared angry.

I want to know the difference.