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AntiChristian:
Because of this, the Jews tried all the harder to kill Him. Not only was He breaking the Sabbath, but He was even calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God. So Jesus replied, “Truly, truly, I tell you, the Son can do NOTHING by Himself, unless He sees the Father doing it. For whatever the Father does, the Son also does. John 5:18-19!

So from the above IT IS CLEAR JESUS CAN DO NOTHING BY HIMSELF. Jesus ONLY does whatever he sees the father doing!

When Jesus ate, the father must have eaten before him!
When Jesus wept the father must have wept before him!

But later Jesus died on the cross!
So the father must have died before him!

Then Jesus rose from the dead!
That means the father did rise before him!

This is the implication of excessive exaggeration!

Guy rest.
Jesus is the logos in flesh- Son of God.
The bible never said Father became flesh or had human nature.

Your comparison makes no sense.

And FYI JUST LIKE THE SON CAN DO NOTHING WITHOUT THE FATHER
THE FATHER ALSO CAN DO NOTHING WITHOUT THE SON.
because THE SON IS THE WORD OF THE FATHER.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without the word nothing was made that has been made.

richie240:
Hehehehehe.... obviously you like quarrel pass fight!
Abeg, who dey dispute the fact about them prophesying Biko?

The bone of contention has been settled in 1 Timothy 2:12

If you neither understand nor agree with the simple statement Apostle Paul said here then I nor fit epp u.

Oh so all of a sudden it's now about women not allowed to teach. U came here and confidently spewed ignorance that Paul said women should not speak in church and should be silent.
Now that u have been debunked, the next thing is to start shifting goalpost, twisting words and swallowing your vomit.
Is this not what U wrote initially- that bible said women are to be silent.
How can a prophesy in church when she's meant to be silent according to U!!!!!

Hypocrite...Elenu meji

When u meet empty Christians, U will know them. Once they open their mouth, na gbos gbas nonsense heresy U go dey hear.

richie240:
See why I say mûslims sabi pass many of una?? It's written in Black and white in the passenge I quoted where it was said expressly that women are to keep silent in churches?? You still managed to drag men into it when its clear to d blind and deaf that the directives was for women, not men!
And moreover, the 'silence' in reference here is not a literal 'silence' but that it is forbidden for women to be teachers in the congregation (of men)!

Mr false preacher don't teach me nonsense. Go back to that 1st Corinthians and read it very well.
In 1 Corinthians 11 Paul instructed women to prophesy in church with their head covered. Yes, U heard it right, PAUL TOLD WOMEN TO STAND IN FRONT OF THE CONGREGATION AND PROPHESY

In 1 Corinthians 14., Paul told both men and women to keep quiet in the church and not speak to ensure orderliness in the church

The instruction is for both genders. No one is allowed to speak out of turn in the church.

richie240:
(I know say you fit squeeze 'man' into the bible passages now )


Hehehehehe..... How many deeper life or chosen or mfm have enough passion and conviction to die for their Lord Jesus Christ as the typical northern/arab mûslims are ready to die for Allah??

This is the most stupid and ignorant statement I've ever read. So U never heard of the word matyr.
Up till today, hundreds of Christians are been killed in northern Nigeria for their faith. Their house burnt and property destroyed.
Northern Nigerian Christians are the most persecuted Christians in the surface of this world. Yet they remain resolute and unyielding in their faith in the face of severe adversity.
Iraqi Christians were almost wiped out by ISIS, they were given the option of either convert or perish, Yarzidi Christians never flinched despite being sold in sex slave market.

richie240:
How many deeper life or mfm or chosen get enough passion for the word of their God (Bible) to be ready to fight, kill or even be killed (matyred) if anyone desecrates the Bible as the mûslims are wont to do when it comes to their koran??

If U think it's ok to kill because a piece of paper is torn, then U must be sick upstairs. Do U know the number koran Saudi authorities burn every year. Why don't those mad people start killing saudi officials for burning the koran? But they will kill someone who mistakenly drops the koran on the floor.
Fanaticism and radicalism is not a model for any movement.

richie240:
They - those whom u claim worship God in the flesh better than mûslims - all want to go to heaven but dey nor wan die unlike the typical muslim who is ready to sacrifice his life at the drop of a hat so long as it's in defense of his Allah

Dey play!

So People who travel to Ukraine to fight russians are doing it for what? What do they get killed for?
Do U know how many communist died fighting against imperialism in china and Vietnam? Over a million.
What God were they ready to die for?
Do U know how many ibos died fighting for Biafra that was doomed to fail right from the beginning. Do U know how many ibos today are willing to die for Biafra if one is announced today.
U know nothing about human conviction. That's your problem.
People die for their conviction. It has nothing to do with a belief in God. That's how the carnal mind is wired.
That's why any religion that associates it's conviction with violence is of human product and can't be from God.
This is why Islam is false. Simple.

Metrofox:
the people of the 14th century, main issue with their religion is that make sure to erode your culture and identity gradually turning you into a full blown arabian monkey. So you remain enslaved to them, confused and aloof. Like a bat rejected by the birds of the air and unable to identify as a rat

U need to see the foolish Europeans who convert to Islam. They now dress like 18th century Arab women on the streets of Europe.
I'm like if U want to cover your body into antiquity, what's wrong with dressing like all those Victorian women of the 19th century.
U abandon your own way of dressing and embraced an Arab medieval form of dressing.
Did U become Muslim to embrace Arab culture.

I keep saying it, Islam as a religion makes no sense. Embrace it and next thing U become arabicised.

No wonder citizens of countries with rich civilization like Iran and Turkey are abandoning it.

psucc:
Laws of men. Even Mohammed will shrug at this. But one thing is sure, this is already in practice in Nigeria. That's the kind of Islam we want and never the liberal forms practice in Saudi Arabia.

AntiChristian see a honest Muslim here. He has made it clear controlling and subjugating women is the REAL ISLAM not the modified one practiced in gulf countries.

AntiChristian:
So tell me what work did Mary Mother of Jesus did during her time?
Shebi Joseph your god's father was a carpenter!

And did Mary too cover her body, soul, and spirit. - covering their body, their thinking faculty, their spiritual relationship with their god. Agba oponu oshi!

Did you see Mary ridding donkey in your Bible?

Men you ponu gan sir! There's no sun to dry it!

Oga talk about now. Stop disturbing our ears about the past U can't change.

Look at what women have been turned into in the ONLY MUSLIM COUNTRY PRACTICING SHARIA.

richie240:
Hold ur peace!

I'm a Christian and I agree with this a 100%.

Since the creation of the woman the earth has not know peace right from the garden of Eden till today.


In terms of the flesh, there's virtually no religion that obeys God more than d mûslims.
Where we differ with them/you is on the Lordship/Sonship of Jesus Christ.

If getting to heaven is based on physical works, more mûslims will enter heaven Before even we Christians, but unfortunately, flesh and blood can never inherit the Kingdom of God ("al-janna" ) except thru the Blood of Jesus Christ - The Only Son of God whom the mûslims deny!

It is even written in the bible that women are to remain quiet in the church, so this saying by this taliban is in order

Oga false preacher don't preach nonsense.
The bible also said men should keep quiet in church
Both gender are to keep quiet in church to prevent chaos according to the scripture.

As per Muslims worship God better, obviously U have never heard of Pharisees. Those guys tithe even tiny seeds and obey the least of mosaic law to the letter, but Jesus called them hypocrites and vipers. Jesus likened their lifestyle to sepulchre - whitewash outside and rotten inside.

No Muslim worship God better than any Christian. U cant be bowing down to a stone 5 times a day and claim U worship God. Otherwise, Pagans and idolaters would be the best worshippers of God.

Let's even talk about worshipping God in flesh, deeper life members exhibit godly appearance of worship in flesh better than any Muslim.

When it comes to prayer and fasting, no Muslim can beat any MFM member. Those guys fast for 6 months in a year and they engage in regular midnight prayer.

I will advise U to start reading your bible first and under the Christian community near U b4 spewing ignorance.

panpan:
As at present, there is no recent photograph of the suspect.
The public has only been shown old pictures of him as a student, or drawings.
Is there something about the suspect that the United Kingdom government is keeping away from the public?

He's a Muslim convert. They don't want us to see his jihadi face.

k4kenny:
Is it the same Al qaeda manual terrorist Hrezog claimed to have found in one of khamas's 'tunnels' . It was a pathetic lie


Who backs Islamic terrorists? Iran? or Israhell?

https://youtube.com/shorts/cJ6MPKgAMPg?si=r7wHh1QiSNQcMb7H



Why has ISIS or Al Qaeda NEVER attacked Israhell, they've attacked more Muslim countries, destroyed infrastructure

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPfQO-NJ3uU?si=D9cYWFfo0l-YSyG8

Al Qaeda brought down the twin towers in new York killing 3,000 American citizens.
Try harder.




THE TRUE FACE OF ISLAM THEY ARE DENYING AND THEY WANT US TO FORGET

I remember insisting that guy is a Muslim convert but some nairaland islamic terror sympathisers wanted to chop off my head.

No church teaches U to go and stab an innocent child because of the sins of the father. Christianity didn't teach that and Jesus Christ never taught us.

It's from the religion of peace followers I first heard that 'If U can't get the master, kill the master's favourite goat'.

That's what they teach in mosque.

MiddleDimension:
The demonization of polygamy that came with the rise of feminism, other woke ideologies and the presentation of them AS AN INDICATION OF PROGRESS, is actually what it is: AN AGENDA TO MISEDUCATE, MISORIENTATE, BARE-FACE LIE TO, AND DECIEVE THE GENERAL PUBLIC!

When it comes to quantum mechanics, general relativity and space travel, the western world can claim to know more about it than the rest of the world and hence teach the workings of nature at that level to all of mankind. The reason for that is because these are relatively new frontiers in the human experience.

But when it comes to basic human psyche as regards romantic, family relationship and politics, there is nothing the western world will teach the rest of the world which we all subconsciously don't already know!

The reason? This is the most ancient activity of man. The important characteristic of this activity (i.e the choosing of mates, the forming of family units and other political and social behaviours of the human being, as informed by the inate psyche of men and women) is that it is finite! That means: all the nuances can be and has been seen and learned in a single lifetime! This why the counsel of elders will forever be of great use in this regard!

Due to the above, if mankind, all through the ages, have found it wise to invent polygamy as a valid type marriage, then you can be rest assured that it is truly VALID as monogamy is, and performs the same and sometimes even a greater social function than monogamy does.

No one, born of a woman, can demonize polygamy is they don't resort to the tactics they have employed; that is: lie against, intimidate others who know and speak the truth, ignore the facts, and dance around the passages of scripture pointing out the holiness of polygamy.

@StillDTruth @SirTee15 @Righteousness @MaxInDHouse @DTruthSpeaker

Is he married to the 4 of them or U don't know the meaning of polygamy again.

MT:
The worst set of people to debate are individuals who have never been abroad before but rather learn about it through "hearsay".

You are not informed.

I cant waste my time on you.

Guy quit it.
If you have problem with UK, just say so.
U said your tech friends are doing well in naija. What does that tell U about tech guys in uk- U think they will be in penury.
Guy my friends in tech in UK are doing really well. All of them are into their 2nd or even 3rd property, sending their kids to private schools and living in expensive neighborhood.
And I hope U know there are thousands of naija in the UK tech sector.
Tech is the big meat globally, so don't make it look like naija tech guys are living a special life their contemporary abroad are deprived of.

In fact, after USA, I will rate UK tech industry above any other country....mainly due to the strong financial institutions.

Now the question is outside of tech that you have been yarping about, which of the 2 countries offer better career opportunities btw UK and naija

The answer is UK. The training U receive in UK can open doors for U anywhere in the world. Lots of recruiters favours UK professionals esp in places like middle east, far east and even other Anglophile nations.
UK nationals- white or other ethnicities occupies the top expatriate professional list in Dubai.
I'm a testament to above. So U trying desperately disparage UK for whatever reasons makes no sense.

UK definitely has it's own problems esp with poor wage and rising cost of living. But to write it off based on some prejudice or bias analysis makes no sense.

UK is far better than naija. Even my sister that arrived UK few years ago that I thought would jump at my Canada job offer declined it. She said she's happy and settled in the UK. To be honest, I was surprised at her answer.
Note my sister had a very good federal parastatal job in naija b4 relocating to UK. I was vehemently against her coming to UK and I warned her not to resign her job b4 coming.
So U will understand my shock when she told she has no plans to leave UK. Well....she's always been an hustler right from teenage years, that could explain it.

pocohantas:
They only love the kids for as long as they love the mother. That is why a man can abandon his biological kids, fall in love with another woman with kids and take care of them.

When women understand this, they will know to have as much as they can handle if push comes to shove, because once they are scorned, they will PUNISH YOU WITH THOSE KIDS.

I think this statement really need to be researched esp among men from conservative background.
Men's love for their kids is thru the woman that gave them the child.
If they don't love the mum, they care less about the kids. That's why baby mama suffer a lot all over the world. If U are not the prize, no amount of emotional blackmail will make the man see her kids as top priority...except if he's naturally responsible.

Women should understand men are differently wired both biological and psychological. This will safe everyone lots of headache. Women should only agree to have a child with a man who genuinely loves them. This cannot be over-emphasised.

atoliman:
Yet Chinese send spy to spy on their technology especially in the area of weaponry , fighter jets and war technology. Any country can produce electric car including Nigeria. China is not ahead at all, the country with the best fighter jets, cruise missile , army, navy ,airforce is the what dominate.

I agree west is ahead of china in military might. But investment in military technology is very expensive with poor return.
China for now is investing in his people which is the priority
Besides the days of conventional warfare is almost over. War in the future will be fought differently. When the Indian army confronted the Chinese counterpart in the o going border dispute btw both countries; Chinese use microwave effect to push back the Indian soldiers- sources said they were vomiting, became disoriented and had unsteady gaits.

Biggeststar01:
As far as I’m concerned, both your arguments (you and the OP) are baseless.

But that’s not why I decided to quote you. I would like to know the “dark magic” you had experienced that made you so cocksure that magic is real. If you don’t mind me asking.

Travel to ijebu igbo and enquire. I'm not in the mood to respond to fake people hiding behind screen to prove sophisticated.

Cowards that dare not enter even a fake shrine in ikorodu.

JASONjnr:
Technology-wise, China is doing everything possible to showcase how far they've gone.

But you see US and Brit? They will never showcase their tech skils. And they protect their advance tech personnel and provide them with everything to stay healthy and alive.

China always run faster.

Oga western countries combined can't beat china when it comes to advanced technology.
China is way ahead. Look at electric car- china has completely dominated the industry just within few years and decimated the nearest opponent.

The only thing western countries can use to stop china now is trade embargo and tariff. And that will only work for a while until China find alternative viable markets- within and outside.

NothingDoMe:
Strange that they used the picture of a half naked woman on this pomade and there was no public outcry. 🤔

That's to show our present world has been extremely sexualised that everything is now viewed thru sexual intent.

I saw a video of a black man lifting a white girl. People came for him and told him to take his hands off the girl.
Social media has corrupted our minds left right n centre.

adioolayi:
What are you talking about

If Libyans are truly treated badly, why are they talking about it after the match have been played and they have given their satisfactory reports to CAF match commissioner as satisfactory...why crying after they have admitted to have a good outing in Nigeria Don't ask me if I have seen the match report....I know the match reports would have been satisfactory, that's why there was no noise about it till Super Eagles landed in Libya and they are trying to justify why they held them hostage.

My point is, you can't claim what was not officially reported, especially , when there is avenue to do so.


...and for the South Africa issue you pointed at....South Africa was the architect of their own problem...their flight was delayed in South Africa...so, by the time it got to Nigeria, Uyo airport has closed...they have to land in Portharcourt ...We can't pin that on the NFF...No


https://www.nairaland.com/8116243/controversy-bafana-bafana-arrive-port-harcourt

Super eagles playing in uyo may be the issue here.
Direct flight to uyo from abroad could be challenging logistics wise. It's a new airport, not international and the aviation logistics for foreign airline to land at the airport could be daunting.
This may explain the difficulties both Libya and south Africa had landing in Uyo.
If NFF insists our home matches must continue in Uyo, then extra effort and concrete aviation arrangements must be made with Uyo airport and aviation authorities to ensure foreign airlines have enough information and equipped with necessary logistics to land in Uyo airport.

This can't continue to happen all the time teams play super eagles in Uyo, otherwise there will always be issue of retribution in return legs.

Peter Obi is right.
The ongoing killing in the east is by non state actors like IPOB, separatist group such as unknown gunmen and Fulani herdsmen.
These are terrorist organisations that has made live unbearable for residents of eastern Nigeria.

AntiChristian:
Christian tradition? No be Bible again? Christian get tradition outside Bible?
Show us where the story of the 7 caved Christians existed in the Bible?

The story of 7 sleepers like the beheaded head story is a christian myth developed by the church in the 3rd century as a result of persecution of christians by the roman empire.

THE SEVEN SLEEPERS OF.—The story is one of the many examples of the legend about a man who falls asleep and years after wakes up to find the world changed. It is told in Greek by Symeon Metaphrastes (q.v.) in his “Lives of the Saints” for the month of July. Gregory of Tours did it into Latin. There is a Syriac version by James of Sarug (d. 521), and from the Syriac the story was done into other Eastern languages. There is also an Anglo-Norman poem, “Li set dormanz”, written by a certain Chardry, and it occurs again in Jacobus de Voragine’s “Golden Legend” (Legenda aurea) and in an Old-Norse fragment. Of all these versions and reeditions it seems that the Greek form of the story, which is the basis of Symeon Metaphrastes, is the source.

How the church sleepers story take enter Koran and this one no enter? na him I dey ask u?

I think the main issue is the facade/glamour associated with living in western country is fading away and the reality is settling in for both natives and foreigners.
western countries no longer offers that ideal golden serene environment anymore. Most of them now struggle with low income for middle class, inequality, rising cost of living, chronic wage stagnation, crumbling infrastructure, moral decadence, safety issue, social crisis, uncontrolled immigration etc

People are now realizing they could be better off elsewhere. Recently, there's been a progressive exodus of westerners to dubai, Malaysia, and Qatar. Nowadays, it's about where you can realize your dream. QED.
Of course, the west still has a lot to offer esp in terms of job security and opportunities esp in skilled areas. But it's high time migrants from developing nation abandon the idea u can just come to canada without any plan and hope to make something out of it.
E go shock u.

I HOPE THEY ALSO REMEMBER TO INCREASE THE ALLOWANCE OF TINUBU'S RONU E-WARRIORS IN ALL THESE INCREMENT WE SEEING EVERYWHERE.
DEFENDING THIS GOVENMENT IS NOT EASY AT ALL, NOT TO TALK OF DOING IT FOR 30K....what will that buy, it cant even fill up your car tank to the brim.

AntiChristian:
Show us where John's story dey inside the Qur'an? Show us where the cave dwellers where called Christians?

If the story dey dere you'll say it was copied! If it's not there you'll ask why is it not there! Can you be satisfied?
Sorry for yourself o!

so who were the 7 sleepers in the cave mentioned in the koran. remember the jews asked Muhammed asked the question. so dont come with some divine revelation nonsense.
WHO WERE THE 7 SLEEPRS THE JEWISH WERE TALKING ABOUT?
READ SURAH 18- THE STORY IS EXACTLY LIKE THE STORY OF THE SEVEN SLEEPERS OF EPHESUS IN CHRISTIAN TRADITION.

adeniyi65:
Don't just try to apply that barbaric act of those era to the present moment to judge slavery.because if I'm to be frank with you, you can face law because of the later things you wrote to justify slavery. People flogging people at work, teachers flogging children. Soldiers beating themselves. Don't just try to practice it as you advocate for it to justify slavery.

Guy keep your emotional blackmail to yourself. next time do your research b4 coming online otherwise u would be exposed as ignorant and pseudo-intellectual.

Answer my question, do u now agree that flogging is an acceptable form of punishment for erring workers or servants historically?

If u have problem with flogging, u can start by leading a campaign against it in Nigerian secondary schools.

jaephoenix:
Did you also read where Yahweh talked about how slave owners can cheat their slaves to work for them for live?
Exodus 21:1-25
New International Version
21 “These are the laws you are to set before them:

Hebrew Servants
2 “If you buy a Hebrew servant, he is to serve you for six years. But in the seventh year, he shall go free, without paying anything. 3 If he comes alone, he is to go free alone; but if he has a wife when he comes, she is to go with him. 4 If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the woman and her children shall belong to her master, and only the man shall go free

5 “But if the servant declares, ‘I love my master and my wife and children and do not want to go free,’ 6 then his master must take him before the judges.[a] He shall take him to the door or the doorpost and pierce his ear with an awl. Then he will be his servant for life.


From the above, all a slave master has to do to keep an israeli slave for live is to give him wives. Because the slave cannot go away without his wife and kids. So he's basically stuck. Very clever by Yahweh






Also all the goodies you talked about in the 'Labor laws' concerned slave Israelites. Non Israeli slaves are slaved for life
39 “‘If any of your fellow Israelites become poor and sell themselves to you, do not make them work as slaves. 40 They are to be treated as hired workers or temporary residents among you; they are to work for you until the Year of Jubilee. 41 Then they and their children are to be released, and they will go back to their own clans and to the property of their ancestors. 42 Because the Israelites are my servants, whom I brought out of Egypt, they must not be sold as slaves. 43 Do not rule over them ruthlessly, but fear your God.

44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

47 “‘If a foreigner residing among you becomes rich and any of your fellow Israelites become poor and sell themselves to the foreigner or to a member of the foreigner’s clan, 48 they retain the right of redemption after they have sold themselves. One of their relatives may redeem them: 49 An uncle or a cousin or any blood relative in their clan may redeem them. Or if they prosper, they may redeem themselves.

I already answered your question about non Israelite slaves. U are just too prejudiced to see it.
I will repeat it again.

God states that any foreigner who is resident to the land of Israel i.e embrace the tradition and culture AND also accept the God of Israelites as his LORD should be treated as a fellow Israelites.

Leviticus 19
33 “‘When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. 34 The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God.


Thus the labour laws is applicable to all foreigners who are considered native to the Land of Israel. Eliezer, Abraham's servant was from Damascus but was circumcised as ordered by God because he was considered a member of Abraham's household.

adeniyi65:
Abandoning those verses that clearly support slavery to suit their ideology. Especially the one that teaches how you can multiply your slaves 4 "If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the woman and her children shall belong to her master, and only the man shall go free. wow, more slaves more power to the master.

cc Jaephonix

Labour law is meant to protect both the employee and the employer. Neither should come out of a contract feeling cheated.
As a bondservant or eved as I already explained earlier, u go into servitude to pay off your debt and get back on your feet as quick as possible.

While doing so, your employer is expected to take full responsibility of your care - free food, free accommodation, free clothing and giving u stipends on top.
Wisdom should dictate a bondservant in such state shouldn't be thinking of marriage or having a family except he has a long term plan of becoming a permanent member of the master's household.
If he doesn't see himself in the household for life, why would he want to start a family? who will take care of his family? Who will carry the responsibility of the bondservant's family? The employer? so what will he get in return for the extra unplanned burden.

servitude in ancient Israel is just 6 years, the bondservant should work hard, pay off his debt and stop thinking about sex.

Most ibo men enter apprenticeship for 10-15 years with their masters they don't get married during those years otherwise they leave.
SOME NURSING SCHOOLS IN NIGERIA DO NOT ALLOW THEIR STUDENT TO BECOME PREGNANT DURING THEIR TRANING WHICH IS 3 YEARS, If u do, u will be expelled. Most trainers also have strict laws that prohibits female apprentice getting pregnant during their years of apprentice.
Jacob worked for 14 good years for Laban before he's allowed to have his desired wife.
So I dont understand how a bondservant who has no plan to live his life in such state would go and impregnant a woman knowing the consequence of such action.
This whole western-centric concept of human rights and laws doesn't apply everywhere.

God already stipulate that if the bondservant had a family before becoming a bondservant, they are not to be enslaved. Someone who doesnt have a wife b4 he was enslaved shouldn't be think of one. Instead , he should think of how to become independent at the end of his 7 years, then he will free to do whatever he desires including getting married and having children.
It's just common sense

Exodus 21
2 “If you buy a Hebrew servant, he is to serve you for six years. But in the seventh year, he shall go free, without paying anything. 3 If he comes alone, he is to go free alone; but if he has a wife when he comes, she is to go with him.

AntiChristian:
The Qur'an is not a story book!

But Muhammed copied another beautiful Christian legendary story inside the Koran- the story of the 7 sleepers.
The story of the 7 Christians and their dog who slept in the cave for more than 300 years and then woke up feeling fresh and pumpy found its way into the koran so how come the story of the beheaded head didnt enter?

AntiChristian:
Where did he copy it? You said it's not in the Qur'an up there and here you're saying another thing!

Pele o!

sorry, mean to say It's a beautiful story, how come muhammed didnt copy it inside the koran.

KnownUnknown:
Lol, he said ‘calm down” as if the comment was a display of emotion and not detached indifference to his nonsense.

cc adeniyi65
Jaephonix
Lucifyre
So final rebuttal to the claim that bible promotes slavery.

The Hebrew word used for slave in the bible is the same as for servant- eved. The meaning of the word eved range from voluntary servitude, to working off a debt (indentured servitude) or being in bondage (slavery).

The original bible authors made no distinction when using the word eved for different scenario. In the Hebrew culture, so long as U serving a man without any wage in return, U are eved. Simple.
The context of your service or the circumstances surrounding your service is inconsequential.
U are eved so far as you earn no wage rendering a service. That's what make eved different from a hired worker.

If we are to apply the ancient use of eved to our modern time, the right word to use would be bondservant- a person bound to serve without wages.

In ancient times bond servant/eved could rise to very high status depending on how he's favoured in the eyes of his masters.
People like Eliezer of Damascus were actually bondservants but quickly rose in rank to hold important position in their masters household including being an heir or finding a wife for the master's son.
That's shows the loose application of the word eved/bondservants in ancient Israel.

When God instituted the labour laws, the scenario of modern day which is brutal and oppressive slavery was never in the picture.

The American plantation slavery that stems from the transatlantic slave trade is called chatel slavery and it's rightly condemned in the bible. That wasn't the kind of slavery being referred to in the TORAH.

The laws given in the Torah was to regulate a system that consist of two kind of workers- those that are earn wages and those that don't.
It has nothing to do with chatel slavery.

Some people due to poverty, lack of skills or bad debt were not able to earn sufficient wages to take care of themselves. These people would voluntarily become bondservants- eved in exchange for becoming a member of his master's household.

God didn't want this kind of people to be maltreated or abused in anyway and that's why he established the labour laws seen in the law of Moses.

Kobojunkie:
I absolutely have no problems whatsoever with Jesus Christ of Israel referring to Israelites as sheep and non-Israelites as dogs though. 🤔

so what then is the issue. U have been attacking christians here that Jesus called them dogs.
u making sound as if the word is used as a slur.
Do u even know even know how the word 'dog' is used in the bible.

Kobojunkie:
In Matthew 15,..., Jesus Christ affirmed the claim that those who are outside of the promise God made to David are dogs. Pigs are those who are not poor - Matthew 19,.... No interpretation magic is necessary here. Simply deductive reasoning!

But in that same passage where Jesus called gentiles dog, he also called Israelites sheep.
So why don't U have a problem with Jesus calling people sheep but seems to have big issue withe dog name.

AntiChristian:
Even John the Baptist was beheaded as a birthday gift! He no fit carry the head!

Christians are just too gullible with anything miracle inclined!

Why is this story not in the koran.

It's a beautiful story, how come Muhammed didn't copy it inside the koran.

honesttalk21:
You are however circumcised and or was circumcised by those who did that for/on you which implies conviction of the Abrahamic covenant.

Perhaps you have a different reason for your circumcision

First Mr African Muslim know your history.
Circumcision existed in Africa b4 any Abrahamic religion made contact with the continent.
Our ancestors performed circumcision rituals as pagans. There's nothing divine about circumcision. People had been performing circumcision even b4 Abraham. Ancient Egyptians and Polynesians practiced circumcision.
A practice such common on earth cannot be a divine covenant from God.

2. When God established the covenant to Abraham initially, there was no mention of circumcision.
Abraham revived the promise by FAITH- CIRCUMCISION OF THE HEART.
Circumcision of the flesh came 15 yrs later as an addendum to an already established covenant.

Pls read Genesis 15 for insight. Thanks.