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Qasim6:
I believe you are smarter than this, you are just intentionally acting otherwise because of your man-made doctrine.

The Qur'an totally refute Christainity understanding of the term "son of God" and tell us what the term truly mean. so why bother with the IF??

But to answer your question, since the Son is going to be family of God, then we have to worship him.

If God has a Mother should we worship her too?

Leemzyy another of your Muslim brother answered your question.
Yes if Allah has a son, both the son and Allah will be worshipped.

And this leads to bigger problem for islam. because worshipping both Allah and his Son- 2 different beings is polytheism.
U are worshipping 2 gods.
And next question will be ...WHY IS THE QUR'AN ENTERTAINING THE THOUGHTS OF POLYTHEISM.

A BOOK THAT'S MEANT TO CORRECT CHRISTIAN WORSHIP IS SAYING BOWING DOWN TO 2 GODS IS NOT A SIN WITHIN CERTAIN CONTEXT.

why is Allah having such blasphemous thoughts. Polytheism is a sin- it doesn't matter the circumstances. Worshipping of 2 gods is a sin.

That's why I don't consider the Qur'an the word of God. It's the dictation of Muhammed's primitive thinking based on his understanding of Christian belief.

Now back to Qasim, why do U think God need a mother. Do U really think he has a physical Son.
What we call Son of God is just the word of God.
There's no physical Son in heaven.

Thrasher2024:
I don't want to drag this christian issue with you, but if you want believe in the white man religion go ahead and keep deceiving yourself.

Point of correction, Christianity isn't a white man's religion.
Christianity was in africa b4 it entered Europe.
All the Christian creed including Trinity were developed by Africans not white men.

U are the one who is arrogant, ignorant and deluded.

Qasim6:
What kinda strawman argument is this?
Why are you lying bro?

What I pointed out to you is that the Qur'an refutes your(Christain) understanding of the term son of God. That the term son of God is an honorific title, it simply means a righteous servant of God and that is how the Jews understood it. It was the pagan Romans that took the meaning with Jesus to another level.

I quoted Qur'an 21:26 where Allah says
"And they say, “The Most Merciful has taken a son.” Exalted is He! Rather, they are [but] honored servants."

All this shalaye is not necessary. Just answer the question

If Allah has a son, should the son be worshipped ?

Just answer the question.

Leemzyy:
Sorry to divert your question but plss can you tell me d diff between servant and son?pls tell me d diff

Servant has no inheritance except that which is given to him but a Son has inheritance, he's the heir of the whole inheritance.
Galatian 4.1-2

A servant has no place in the family forever, he's an outsider no matter how much he's loved. A son's place is in the family, he belongs there. He doesn't beg to be loved, he's already loved

Above is what Jesus is offering you....
John 8.
35 Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. 36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. 37

Leemzyy:
Do u even read what i wrote abt the black stone,i said it neither have d power 2 harm nor benefit,so why that question again,and yes na paganism be that are you okay?

So if pouring gin on a stone as veneration to a deity is pagan practice

How come licking a black stone as veneration to your deity isn't pagan practice.

It doesn't make sense, pls explain.

Leemzyy:
Do u even read what i wrote abt the black stone,i said it neither have d power 2 harm nor benefit,so why that question again,and yes na paganism be that are you okay?

I heard U clearly. U said it has no power to benefit.

That's why I'm asking, does the black stone have the power to forgive or remove sin of those that kiss it with a sincere heart?

I take God beg U, don't fall my hand this time. U already claimed here that U wine and dine with islamic scholars from Dubai and Qatar.
Can the black stone forgive sin?

Thrasher2024:
oh really point out anywhere in any biblical movies where the depicted a pure black African?

People, Una no go come save me?
What's my business if Hollywood movies decide to paint all bible characters as white.
Is my faith based on Hollywood characterisation of the bible.
How does what movies paint actors influence my faith.
Is this why U left Christianity? because the movie industry painted bible characters as white?
I even thought he will bring solid arguments not knowing it's something silly he's drawing his conclusion from.
I've always known U nairaland atheist and agnostic as jokers. That's why I long concluded arguing with U guys is waste of time.

Oga if wetin Hollywood do pain U, ask nollywood to do a film on Samson and use all black actors. Nobody will stop them.

Leemzyy:
And plss mr man stop claiming God has a son,what does suratul jinn chapter 3 said?what about suratul al-isra chapter 17?

If Allah has a Son, should he be worshipped?
That's my question, not whether he has a Son or not.

Leemzyy:
Mr sirtee15 as for kissing of the stone,is an act of worship that has no connection except forAllah may his name be exalted,as sayyidina umar said when he kissed the stone,he said he is aware that the stone neither has power 2 benefit or harm,but if he didnt have seen the prophet doing so,then he also wouldnt have kissed it,its not 4 barakah as some says as no basis attached,so now mrtee i asked your fellow this question but he no even know anything and he ran away,i asked that what did suratul tawbah chapter 171 says, should be ashamed that u and your partners in crime cant even answer dis simple thing,u dont even know your bible so am not suprise that u cant answer this

Can the black stone forgive and remove the sin of those that sincerely kiss it?

Bring the question here, don't tell me to go and read the koran. I'm not a Muslim and I don't believe in the book.
I'm not a Quranic expert. There's a Christian called TenQ, he's good with the Qur'an. Ask him any question regarding your Qur'an and I'm sure he will answer.

By the way U have not answers my question.

Is below a pagan practice?

NOETHNICITY:
Christianity is facing an increasing decline not just among Igbo youths but all over the world, especially among Europeans who brought the religion to us.

The Bible has been proven by textual experts (both Christian and non Christian) to be corrupted, many passages deleted and many passages added to it.

Also the words of ordinary historians are said to constitute a major part of the so-called word of ‘God’.

Jesus was not a Christian, the word Christian is simply a man made construct.

Christianity lacks legitimacy when observed closely, so it doesn’t come as a surprise that adherents are dumping it for other faiths

It's a pity pseudo intelligensia like U talk ignorance with so much confidence.
I doubt U even know the name of any one scholar to begin with.

Anyway let me leave you with the words of 2 greatest NT scholars in the 20th century and what they said about the new testament.
Bart Erhman and Bruce Metzger.
FYI- These 2 guys are the greatest researchers in textual variants of the NT. Bart is an atheist and Bruce is a Christian.

“Bruce Metzger is one of the great scholars of modern times and a firmly committed Christian. However If he and I were put in a room and asked to hammer out a consensus statement on what we think the original text of the New Testament probably looked like, there would be very few points of disagreement – and it would be no different from the new testament we have today.
The position I argue for in ‘Misquoting Jesus’ does not actually stand at odds with Prof. Metzger’s position that the essential Christian beliefs are not affected by textual variants in the manuscript tradition of the New Testament.”
Bart Erhman.

For factual evidence
I can bring you ancient extant manuscripts of the new testament gospels from the 2nd and 3rd centuries.
The contents of these ancient manuscripts are exactly like the ones we have today. No difference.

I pity people who will be led to hell by their pseudo intellectual arrogance. They think they discovered something when in fact they have misguided by social media bible scholars who have seen bible conspiracy theories as avenue to swindle the gullible and gain popularity.

Thrasher2024:
let's be radical here

Our forefathers worshipped these lesser gods (chi) because they believed that they were messengers for the supreme God (Chukwu), and during their time we never heard of stealing being rampant. If you did you'll be banished and given instant judgement.

We never heard of raping of women of course if you did Amadioha or Ikenga would strike you dead.

We never heard of a serious case of outbreak of diseases or epidemic, if anyone occured the gods would cleanse the land

We never heard of LGBTQ during the time of our forefathers

People feared and respected themselves because of the fear of the gods. Despite being the ancient times our forefathers lived very long healthy and peacefully.
No one shouted Emilokan, no bribery, the elders governed themselves peacefully.

Until Christianity came, we abandoned our culture, embraced a foreign culture that thought us to do strange things, worship only a White imaginary person called Jesus, they now depicted a black person like us with horns and called him the 😈 devil or Satan, they gave us a fictional book with recorded history of their lives without any mention of a black person and called it the Bible. They made us believe that you'll burn in hell for enternity if you don't believe in an Imaginary white man called Jesus. They told us he is the only salvation if you believe and drink his blood. They told us that even if you steal, kill, rape and destroy humanity that even in your dying bed if you just accept Jesus Christ as your only lord and personal savior all your sins are forgiven instantly and you'll go to paradise and enjoy with the saints. Then for us that have been respecting our gods and living a prosperous crime free lives we would die and perish in hell all because we don't believe in Jesus Christ.. Chai. Now crime don plenty, people steal without conscience, people rape even babies Man now turn into woman and vice versa. Man marries man woman marries woman of course it's okay as long as you give your life to Christ before you die all sins are forgiven......

My take.. Christianity is for the weak, they white man used Christianity to weaken us and steal from us. I believe in God( Chukwu ) but I don't believe in Jesus...

Too much nonsense in one post.
U said there's no black man in the bible.
Tell me who is Hagar and zepporhah.
Why did God punish Miriam, the sister of Moses.

legitnow1:
YOUR CHRISTIANITY IS A PROBLEM IN NIGERIA.


WHEN THEY SLAUGTER CHRISTIAN YOU WILL SAY WAITIN CONCERN YOU, IT IS NOT MY FAMILY MEMBER AND DO NOTHING.



WHNE U ARE SUPPOSE TO BE SHELFLESS AND FIGHT FOR JUSTICE.


WITH AMADIOHA AND IKENGA, IF WE SEE U, WE WILL SPILL YOUR BLOOD AND CUT YOU TO PIECES BEFORE WE PUT U INSIDE POT AND FIRE.



YOUR HEAD GO BE OPEN DISPLAY ON ALTAR AND YOUR BLOOD USE FOR CLEANSING OF THE LAND.


AN EYE FOR AN EYE. STRIAGHT UP.


IN FACT, IF U CROSS THE RED MARK ON A TREE, WE DON ACHIVE YOUR HEAD.

Useless amadioha and ikenga that couldn't spilt open the heads of white men. Idols that were too scared to drink the blood of white men.
Strangers came from far away land and desecrated the place of worship, destroyed shrines and made a mockery of idolatry.
What did your amadioha do in response. The thing was lame, too scared of the white man and his gun.

U think it's by juju that your fathers abandoned their ancestral worship and embrace the one the white man brought...
It's because they realise amadioha is useless. The invisible shackles the gods placed on the minds of the people were broken when they noticed a superior technology Amadioha couldn't defeat.

Be deceiving yourself. Nobody is saying U shouldn't go back to paganism or even modify it but don't come and be using reverse psychology on anybody here.

Leemzyy:
I thought you had a single sense but now i know u no different 4rm your pic,so 4 ignoring you now makes me a dull baby,you think all the scholars i met are 4 saying or doing sake?i met them 4 what u claim i lack, do u think yesterday as friday i should ignore my religion rites and obligations just 4 your sake right?Ana la ahtaj ilaa shafaqatik elaa ayi shukran laa,wish i could clarify you in a language u understand more,let me ask you mr man,how many countries and places have u gone to seek 4 knowledge on your religion?how many risk have u gone through on behalf of your religion?and u are here bashing me that yen yen yen abeg get out,

B4 U jumped into the arena I warned U this place is not for the weak heart.
We bringing down satanic strongholds here thus once U enter be ready for battle.

I went thru your epistle but sorry to tell U I'm not convinced.
I don't believe you have memorised your Koran, I even doubt U read your Qur'an regularly.
The naive question U asked gave U away. No Muslim scholar will be stupid enough to ask such a question because they know it's a trap for them.

See the answer your Muslim colleague AntiChristian gave to that question. He admitted if God has a family- everyone in that family would be worshipped. He's validating surah 43.81.

How ignorant of U to ask me a question that exposes your own religion and validate Christianity.

I repeat again, U are very naive.

As per your waka up and down including Qatar....no be your fault.
In case U don't know, it's everybody's right to travel. Travelling is not a privilege but a right.
However, when our leaders have used poverty destroy our people...the few ones rich enough to travel will use it as a tool of oppression and arrogance.

By the way, as a Christian I don't need to travel to Jerusalem or Vatican to know about my God. He's a spirit and can reveal himself to me wherever I live and amongst the brethren I worship with. I dont need to learn any special language because God can commune with me in any language I speak.
Unlike a religion that the adherent need to learn Arabic in order communicate properly with their God. They must also travel to Mecca or middle east if they want to know more about their God because the God originated from middle east which them makes this god makes him an Arab God.

Finally U haven't answer my question
I have answers yours and your Muslim brother confirmed my answer. It's only fair to answer mine.

I will make it answer for U and not complicate things.
Do U think this picture below is pagan practice?
Be honest.

Leemzyy:
Hey mr man never in your last life say i am deficient in knowledge,just because i wish not to answer u doesnt mean i am clueless of you guys stupidity,do u even know me?no!,well then let me tell you about myself,i was born in a muslim family,i grew up in qatar,i attended an islamic school,i did my Quran memorization when i was just nine year of age,i know and understand every word in the holy book cus i am more fluent in arabic than even english i aint good in eng,i have met with Qaris like Sudais,shuraim and sheik muhammad(i am sure u might know them),i have participated in alot of islam competion so plss u dont know, me nvr judge me 4rm just a forum like dis ok?

I will never understand Muslims. So U came here and attacked me of calling u deficient in knowledge when even your own books calls u deficient in knowledge and inferior to men when it comes to being a witness.

The religious books of Muslims confirmed women are deficient in knowledge. Muhammed himself said so.
Yes, Muhammed proclaimed women are deficient in knowledge and their witness is only half that of men.
Muhammed said the testimony of a Leemzyy is only half of that of AntiChristian.

Why are U not attacking Muhammed that called u deficient in knowledge and intellect.
But here shouting and raving just because I referenced what Muhammed said about her.

That's how I asked honesttalk why black Muslims are called Abd by Arab Muslims and he started fighting me claiming I insulted him.
Yet no black muslim will fight an Arab Muslim for calling them a racial slur abd.
Honesttalk told me it's not my business if Arab Muslims call black Muslims abd, yet he was very angry and accused me of calling him abd.

Seriously the Stockholm syndrome in islam needs to be researched and studied. It's beyond ordinary.

Leemzyy:
Hey mr man never in your last life say i am deficient in knowledge,just because i wish not to answer u doesnt mean i am clueless of you guys stupidity,do u even know me?no!,well then let me tell you about myself,i was born in a muslim family,i grew up in qatar,i attended an islamic school,i did my Quran memorization when i was just nine year of age,i know and understand every word in the holy book cus i am more fluent in arabic than even english i aint good in eng,i have met with Qaris like Sudais,shuraim and sheik muhammad(i am sure u might know them),i have participated in alot of islam competion so plss u dont know, me nvr judge me 4rm just a forum like dis ok?

I will never understand Muslims.

AntiChristian:
There's nothing like Christian or Christianity during your Jesus's time! Everything was a creation of some people after Jesus left.

How does God have a son? Explain how God got the son? How the son had his father as his God? How son worshipped father and prayed to him?

If God has a son then the God family will need to be worshipped but god's son won't be barren! God would have a grandson and great grandson or daughters. I don't think God would be discriminatory.

What you worship is falsehood! Jesus didn't worship himself by God!

So finally U admit that if God has a son, he should be worshipped.
Alhamdulilah!!!
I now have small respect for U- just very small, because everybody here know saying your brain too dey touch, there are definitely missing screws in your brain.
But as we all know, even a dead clock is correct twice a day.
Anyway kudos to U. I respect people who doesn't choose and pick what to defend in their faith. It shows u are a honest and sincere Muslim even though it's a false religion.
Unlike Abutwin and Qasim who came here and denied surah 43.81, claiming the verse never said son of Allah should be worshipped. It shows they were embarrassed by that verse.

Now to your question. What Christians call 'The Son of God' is actually the word of God that proceed from the Father.
The word of God is the 2nd person of the triune God and when it became flesh, he's called the Son of God.

The term Son of God was used to describe the Messiah who is to come and establish the kingdom of God on earth.
Because the Messiah is expected to be a divine being sent by the Father, the 2nd temple Judaism coined the term Son of God for this divine Messiah.

It's not like there's a physical son that exist in heaven and would need to produce his own progeny.

Muhammed lived in a desert far away from civilisation, didn't know much about Christian theology and couldn't read or write.
He just dictated what he felt was his understanding of Christian belief based on his limited knowledge.
That's why I dont believe God spoke to Muhammed. It's just too glaring.
At least God would know what Christian believe and won't be committing blunders when it comes to correcting those beliefs.

Regarding the name Christian. The truth is it's doesn't matter what U call yourself, it's very inconsequential.
Koko is to follow Jesus and be a member of the church Christ established.
Note- there's a difference btw denomination and the church.
Jesus Christ established the church and not denomination. The later is man made.

Kingsempires:
you have made so much point today,i guess she will realise her religion

Leemzyy is either a baby Muslim or one those Muslima who in the religion for vanity.
It's the attitude and arrogance for me. She jumped into the thread as if she knew something the rest of us don't know.
Alas, it was soon revealed her brain is one fifth of Muslim men, thus deficient in knowledge

Kingsempires:
you have made so much point today,i guess she will realise her religion

She's either a baby Muslim or one those Muslima who in the religion for vanity.

Leemzyy:
Abeg rifemun baki devil incarnated animal,mtchewwwww

No need to come with insults. It doesn't portray U or your religion in good light.
You are a woman, be a lady and feminine like your religion promote.

Leemzyy let me tell U this, a true religion must be open to questions and be ready to give appropriate answers.
I'm happy to answer your questions on Christianity because I'm proud to be one.
Any religion which cannot be questioned is nothing but occultism. The adherents are practicing cultism.

Ask me any question on Christianity be it trinity, atonement of sin by blood, Jesus being God, gospel books. Any question and I'm happy to respond.
This is not about making U a christian- only God can do that, but it's about opening your eyes the truth.
Sometimes U need a different perspective to life b4 u realise the right way.

Finally, Leemzyy look at this pictures again and tell me what these men are doing is right.
DO U THINK LICKING A STONE IS DIFFERENT FROM POURING GIN ON A STONE?

IF U ARE NOT A MUSLIM AND SOMEONE SHOWS U THESE PICTURES, WOULD U THINK THIS IS PAGANISM OR RIGHT WAY TO KNOW GOD.
LICKING A STONE OR POURING GIN ON A STONE DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
BOTH CANT BE THE RIGHT WAY TO KNOW GOD, THEY ARE BOTH WRONG.

Infact a lot or modern Muslims especially Muslim converts and even some Muslims here on nairaland are now stylishly dissociating themselves from the black stone because deep within them they know it's paganism.
It's what it is. Venerating a black stone and thinking licking it will atone for your sins is paganism and idolatry combined.

Leemzyy:
Yen yen yen,idiot so its now Allah(God) that told u he has some an unexistent son somewhere abi?u guys are cursed long time ago,and pls keep those dirty shit u called a mouth shut if you cant answer the simple question i asked

What question again. I already answered your question.

Your question was if Allah has a son, should we worship Allah or the Son.

I replied, according to your own Quran, we should worship both Allah and the son of Allah.
That's what your Qur'an said, and as a Muslim U should believe your Qur'an because it's the word of Allah.

Muhammed who worship Allah boldy claim that if Allah has a son, he would be the first to worship him.
The day Muhammed realise Jesus is truly the Son of God, he would worship him alongside Allah.

My dear, don't wait until U enter grave to realise the truth. It will be too late for U.
Muhammed already gave U the expo. There's nothing wrong worshipping the Son of God, Muhammed would have done the same if he knew.

Muhammed lived at a time when information was hard to come by, reason why Qur'an is filled with errors and historical contradiction.
But U have access to better information and truth, there's nothing stopping u from worshipping the Son of God except your pride, arrogance and hard heart.

No Muslim can prove Jesus isn't the Son of God, Jesus said so himself. There's clear evidence- both historical and factual that Jesus called himself the Son of God. U can deny it but won't change the fact that Jesus is the Son of God.
And if Jesus is the Son of God, U have no excuse not to worship him because your own Quran clearly state that the Son of God should be worshipped.

The decision is left to U. Either follow the lies and deception of your imams who doesn't know any better OR U embrace the truth.
The choice is yours.

Leemzyy:
Hehehe e pain you sey no be chinsus picture or sature we dey lick,if e pain you reach buttock then as the nice soul that i have,i will advice u to sit on two fresh naked wire,next tmrw be prepared 2 go dance,clap,jump and play,i dont have energy 2 argue with unbelievers so bye bye masalam Allahu yurshiduk

Calm down, it's obvious U were brought up a Muslim. U haven't taken time to think things through properly.
Use the brain God gave U and think.....

U Muslims call obatala worshippers pagans because they pour gin on stones and bow to the stones.
But U Muslims do the same. U bow to a black stone in Mecca and then travel to lick the black stone.
U are guilty of doing the same thing U accuse idolaters of.
U can't be mocking obatala worshippers for venerating a stone and then turn around to worship your God by doing the same thing- venerating a stone.
God himself said he hates it when people venerates stones, it's a pagan practice copied from the ancient middle east religion.


All religion claim it's the right one and only way to paradise.
The right religion will separate itself and be distinct from all other wrong religion, otherwise it can't be the right religion.
U can't be venerating a stone and then claim your religion is right. That's a fallacy. Whether U like it or not, venerating a stone is pagan practice.

Finally, let me ask U 2 questions to show U the error in how U Muslims worship....
If suddenly the black stone disappears or Mecca is destroyed maybe by earthquake. Does that mean U guys can't pray anymore?

If black stone suddenly appear in Lagos and Mecca is destroyed by asteroid. Does that mean U Muslims will now bow towards Lagos when praying?

AntiChristian:
Meshionu! It's not even Koran! It's Qur'an. You can't even spell it properly. How won't you misinterprete it? Holy spirit always misguiding you every time!



What does an "if" statement mean? It simply means it's just a possibility! But it's not true! It is illogical, irrational and unreasonable for Allah to have offspring! His offspring would of course have offspring too and not be barren!

Allah said He begets not nor is He begotten!

That's why in the next verse Allah says: Glorified is the Lord of the heavens and the earth, the Lord of the Throne, far above what they claim. Qur'an 43:82

Calm down, we know your Qur'an tells U Allah has no son.
The question here is should the Son of God be worshipped.
According to Qur'an the answer is Yes.
So don't come to Christians telling them they shouldn't worship Jesus. We Christians believe Jesus is the Son of God, therefore according to your Qur'an Christians should worship him.
U barking at the wrong tree telling us it's wrong to worship Jesus, so long as we believe he is the Son of God, Christians are doing the right thing by worshipping him.
Muhammed would do the same thing if he was a Christian!!!

What U should be telling us is that Jesus is not the son of God.
Above should be the argument. Stop looking in the wrong direction.

AntiChristian:
See lies upon lies!

Just tell us your translators translated it so! Homage na worship for your side! Lol!

Douay-Rheims Bible - Matthew 28:9
And behold Jesus met them, saying: All hail. But they came up and took hold of his feet, and adored him.

New American Bible
And behold, Jesus met them on their way and greeted them. They approached, embraced his feet, and did him homage.

Weymouth New Testament
And then suddenly they saw Jesus coming to meet them. "Peace be to you," He said. And they came and clasped His feet, bowing to the ground before Him.

Young's Literal Translation
and as they were going to tell to his disciples, then lo, Jesus met them, saying, 'Hail!' and they having come near, laid hold of his feet, and did bow to him.

Yhen Yhen. U go explain tire. See very strange translations he brought. He left well known ones to go carry unknown translation.
Even at that we go thrash am.

When Cornelius bowed to Peter. He told him not do so because he's only a mere man like him

New American bible.
Acts 10
25 When Peter entered, Cornelius met him and, falling at his feet, paid him homage. 26 Peter, however, raised him up, saying, “Get up. I myself am also a human being.”

The question is why did Jesus accept homage but Peter rejected it?


When John bowed to the angel in book of revelation. The angel told him to bow only to God.

Young literal translation
John 22
8 And I, John, am he who is seeing these things and hearing, and when I heard and beheld, I fell down to bow before the feet of the messenger who is shewing me these things;

9 and he saith to me, `See -- not; for fellow-servant of thee am I, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of those keeping the words of this scroll; before God bow.'


So why did Jesus allowed people to bow to him but the angel rejected being bowed to and said that should only be for God.

The greek word used is here proskyneo meaning worship/to bow.

So why is Jesus accepting proskyneo from people but Peter and even an angel rejected proskyneo.
If proskyneo simply mean homage or bow, why did Peter and the angel rejected proskyneo.

The most interesting thing here is Jesus himself said thou shall worship only your Lord your God.

Young literal translation
Matthew 4
10 Then saith Jesus to him, `Go -- Adversary, for it hath been written, The Lord thy God thou shalt bow to, and Him only thou shalt serve.'


Again The greek word here for bow is proskyneo.
So what made Jesus accept prosekyneo from men while others rejected prosekyneo from men.

Why did Jesus allow people to bow to him when he himself said U should only bow to God.

Oya fake bible scholar come and start your another epistle of your shalaye.
U go explain taya.

AntiChristian:
Worshipped by Magi Idol Sorcerers as their leader right?

They became believers and started the church in Armenia.

AntiChristian:
Nonsense question!
The Qur'an says God does not need to have a son or partner!

This is not about if God have a son or not. This is about should the son of Allah be worshipped.
I care less if Allah has a son. A god that thinks he needs to have sex with a goddess to procreate doesn't deserve a son.
This is about WORSHIP- IF ALLAH HAS A SON, SHOULD THE SON BE WORSHIPPED?
ANSWER THE QUESTION BASED ON YOUR QUR'AN.

Leemzyy:
U are too pained i can see it from your writeup,abeg if you cant answer simple question then carry your cursed wretched life 2 hell and stay off,i dont deal with unbelievers,masalam

A pagan calling someone else unbeliever. Someone that will bow to a stone 5 times a day, travel to Mecca to lick a stone calling someone else unbeliever.
The only way their god can hear them is if they fave Mecca to pray, all other direction makes him deaf.

U guys are confirmed chronic pagan, U are no better than obatala worshippers who now to their idols in the morning.

Look at the picture below and tell me the difference btw the two.
As far as I can see both of U are venerating stones. That's paganism!!!

Leemzyy:
U are too pained i can see it from your writeup,abeg if you cant answer simple question then carry your cursed wretched life 2 hell and stay off,i dont deal with unbelievers,masalam

Which stupid question are U asking. U came here and asked if I should worship son of God.
I showed U evidence in the koran where Muhammed stand gidigba and boldly declared that the son of God should be worshipped.
Even if there's Allah sitting above his throne and his son sitting below it. According to the koran and Muhammed, both of them should be worshipped!!!
No be me talk am o...na Muhammed talk am.

Which other answer are U looking for..baby Muslima.

What other answer do U need?

[quote author=Leemzyy post=131401134][/quote]Baby Muslima..
It's obvious this one is a Muslim because of sugar daddy alhaji that will take her to Dubai or Mecca.
Imagine not knowing her Koran tells them to worship Jesus if he's truly the son of God.
Now coming here to ask me stupid question. Olodo Muslim.

It's not your fault, that's what happens when U follow an olodo god like Allah.
A god that didn't know it's possible to have a child without having sex with a woman. What kind of God is that!!!!
A god that doesn't know what his creation knows. A god that has no idea of gene cloning or IVF.
A god that needs to have sex to have a child.
Is that one god or invention of human imagination.
Above alone is enough to throw the koran into the museum where it belongs.
Bunch of pagans forming religion.

AntiChristian:
He said he has a God! So worship his God!
He said he can of himself do nothing!
He is not omniscient!
He was protected on earth by his parents! He can't even protect himself not to talk of you!
He prayed to God many times!

Mr man, U are free to create your own religion but here we talking about what is written in the koran for MUSLIMS.

if Allah has a son, Muhammed boldly said he will be the first to worship him.

Surah 43.81
Say Muhammed: "If (Allah) Most Gracious had a son, I would be the first to worship."


Say, [O Muhammad], "If the Most Merciful had a son, then I would be the first of his worshippers."

Why would Muhammed made such statement if the son of God should not be worshipped?
That is the question I want U to answer.

If Muhammed is telling U the son of Allah ought to be worshipped and U telling me that is wrong...then I don't know what to tell U.

Leemzyy:
Hehe so God now has a wife including a child?i said it already una dey mad 4 real,just sit down and reason your self plss,let say yes he is the son of god(which God never had a son)so are u to worship God or the son?plss dont divert this question and answer me

Furthermore, the fact that Allah needs a wife to have children shows he's a dependent being therefore cannot be all powerful.

Allah said in the koran' how can Allah have children when he doesn't have a wife'.
Here Allah is admitting his dependency on having children. Allah depends on a wife and sexual intercourse to have a children. That he choose not to is his business.
But the point is clear. Allah admits with his own mouth and his own words that he is a dependent being when it comes to procreation.
That is clear evidence Allah is not all powerful and can't be omnipotent.

Leemzyy:
Hehe so God now has a wife including a child?i said it already una dey mad 4 real,just sit down and reason your self plss,let say yes he is the son of god(which God never had a son)so are u to worship God or the son?plss dont divert this question and answer me

I will advise U to be civil and mind your speech as a lady U claim to be.
This place is not for the weak heart.
I will give U a pass this time. If U continue your gutter like behaviour, U will get what U deserve.

Now to answer your question.
1. It's your Qur'an that thought God need to have sex with a goddess to bear a son- very absurd thinking from a so called supreme being.
It's funny how Allah can't have a son without having sex. Yet his creation are producing babies in test tube without sex- IVF.
We even have gene cloning where a baby can be produced from just one single person. Just one individual begotten another individual.

The idea from Allah that he need to have sex with a woman to have children is a primitive thinking- fit for when the Qur'an was written in the medieval period when technology was backward.

This shows your Allah is not all knowing because if he is, he would know it's possible for a being to beget another being without sex involvement.

In the bible, the Father beget the Son. He doesn't need a wife to do that. He equally gave that knowledge to humans and that's why we have gene cloning today. This shows God is omniscience and no knowledge is outside of him.

Because the son proceed proceed from the Father, he has the same divinity as the Father. That's why the son is God.
Read John 1.

2. Your 2nd question about if truly Jesus is the son of God shows U are a baby Muslim and not well versed with your Qur'an.
The answer to your question if indeed Jesus is the son of God should he be worshipped is inside your Koran.

Your Koran makes it clear that if Jesus is truly the son of God, then he must be worshipped. That's what is written in your Koran.
In your Koran, Muhammed came out boldly and declared if Allah indeed have a son, he will the first to worship the son of Allah.

Pick up your Qur'an and look for the verse. I won't tell U, do the work yourself.
U people are only Muslims when it comes to displaying unnecessary emotions or killing people for blasphemy.

AntiChristian:
Who worshipped him as God the way you worship your God now?

His disciples and the women who followed him
Mattew 28.9
Mark 16.1
Matthew 14.33

Even he was worshipped as a baby.

Now answer my question.
Should I worship Jesus if he's truly the Son of God.

Let me give U expo- answer is in your Qur'an.

AntiChristian:
Jesus never called himself your lord but just like any other lord which means master!

He wasn't sent to you but to Israel!

Worship the God Jesus worshipped and not Jesus!

Why should I not worship Jesus?
He allowed people to worship him as the Son of God.
Tell me why should I not worship Jesus when he's the Son of God.

nairalanda1:
So, because I support subsidy removal everything I say is rubbish?

Apparently, something is going on here.

I stand by what I said. If It makes you sad and angry, so be it, master theist.


BY the way, master thiest, we have had subsidy since 1973, and in that time we built and lost 4 refineries. Ghana and NIger have had no subsidy and both have working refineries...

Now which is working?

You guys are just a bunch of abusive bullies. Anyone who does not follow the party line is an oppressor and a counter-revolutionary in your eyes.

Go siddon one side. Text book economist forming too know on social media.
It's your gullible llikes that IMF and world bank use in implementing their devilish policies in Africa.
No independent thinking to bring about pragmatic solutions.
Now that subsidy has been removed, how many refineries have we built.
Is it not dangote refinery that he started in the era of subsidy that the whole country is looking as the saviour.

Athletes from countries poorer than Nigeria have won medals in this olympic yet ignorant ones will came and say reason why we not winning medals is because of money.
What has money got to do with registering athletes for events.
What has money got to do with informing your athletes of drug test timing?

Shouting money money up and down.
U can be so irritating....no wonder the guy said he doesn't want to talk to U.

I will ignore your political party ranting. It's obvious your cognitive reason can't see beyond contra opinion not related to political ideology.