gaskiyamagana:

Leave Allah alone for His slaves and worshippers.
Be shameful and join others who are better off you in knowkedge and faithful than you in acknowledging and doing everything possible to save your FALLIBLE, ERRORBILE AND MISTAKEABLE Biblical God whom his words/ verses are under constant and continue removing and correcting , as I have listed, which you and your hypocrite comrades are dodging and trying to shift to other issues.

Pls any sensible Muslim.

Allah has a shin, I want to know if I can worship the shin of Allah.
Since Allah is one, can I worship his shin. If the answer is no, why?
Why can't I worship the shin of Allah if Allah is meant to be one.

Cc honesttalk antiChristian Ohyoudidn't Gaskiyamagana ahmedio expanse

Since we talking about Tawhid, I want a Muslim to clarify.

Can I worship the shin of Allah. If the answer is No, why?

If Allah is one, why can't I worship his shin?

My fellow Muslim colleagues, Ramadan Kareem.

I want to apologise on behalf of TenQ for making your fasting harder than it should be. The little glucose in your body, he's forcing U guys' brain to consume it faster and this is not fair.

Just like Paul, TenQ ask very hard questions to answer. His questions should be reserved for top islamic scholars, tafsir's expert, Koranic translators and chief imams.
The truth is TenQ is operating at the level of post doctoral fellowship while most Muslims here can barely scrap thru the level of junior waec- apology if it comes out as offense.

Instead of making your fasting harder by engaging TenQ, why don't u let me ask simpler questions that doesn't require reading tons of hadiths or Koran tafsir to answer.

I promise my own question is simpler because I really dont know much about islam.

Cc honesttalk antiChristian Ohyoudidn't Gaskiyamagana ahmedio expanse

Qasim6:


1. Non of the Canonical gospels was written by eye witness. Because you might have to explain why they were all written in Koine Greek and why Matthew a supposed disciple of Jesus would have to used Mark a supposed disciple of Peter for his own work.

It's a common knowledge that writers of Matthew and Luke used Mark in written theirs.

2. There is not a single one of them we can affirm the original writer

They were first called memoir of the apostles. The names Mark, Matthew, Luke and John were only assigned to those works by the church fathers in the 2nd century. The writers did not sign their names.

3. The Gospel according to John does not conform with the oral gospel and it was written late around 100CE.

U guys are very funny. U Muslims just parrot what scholars say without thinking hard about these claims or checking why they said so.

So if the gospels were called memoirs of the apostles, what does that tell U?

Now let's start with the definition of memoir. Memoir is a historical account written from personal knowledge. It's a nonfiction narrative writing based on the author's personal memories. The assertions made in the work are thus understood to be factual.

The definition of memoir alone proves the 'memoir of apostles' is an eye witness account because it was written by apostles and destroys your argument.

Next let's talk about the early church fathers who used the term memoir of the apostle. One of them is justyn Martyr's writings whom scholars love to quote as their strong evidence for anonymity of the gospels.

They claim he called the gospel the apostle's memoir and not by their respective names.
But this is what justyn matyr wrote about the memoirs of the apostle in his writing called Dialogue with trypho.....

“For the apostles, in the memoirs composed by them, which are called Gospels” taught “do this in remembrance of Me” (ibid. 66).

Also talking about Jesus' sweat like a blood in the garden of gethsemane, Justyn wrote he read it from
“the memoirs which I say were drawn up by Jesus apostles and those who followed them”
This story is found in the gospel of Luke who is a companion of Paul.

Furthermore Justyn commented on the nickname Jesus gave the sons of Zebedee.

And when it is said that He changed the name of one of the apostles to Peter; and when it is written in the memoirs of Peter that this so happened, as well as that He changed the names of other two brothers, the sons of Zebedee, to Boanerges, which means sons of thunder. . ." (Dia. 106; ANF)

This story of Jesus calling John and James son of thunder is only found in the gospel according to Mark which is an account of Peter's narration. No other gospel has this story, not even the Apocrypha gospel of Peter.

So justyn matyr confirmed the apostles or those who knew the apostles actually wrote the gospels and that's why it's called memoirs of the apostle.

The question is if the gospels/memoirs were written by the apostles or those who knew them, how can U then say they are not eye witness account.

Scholars have taken u people for a long ride, based on ignorance.
U will do well to look into these so called scholastic research into the gospel. U will come out bitterly disappointed.
U can start with what the scholars call criteria of embarrassment and I assure U as a Muslim U will be highly embarrassed to quote the scholars next time.

gaskiyamagana:

I know you very very well. I will continue to follow you and your different users name and colleagues in mission of distorting the teachings of Islam to confuse whoever is confusseable or gullible Muslims, and pay blind eyes to your fake religion and its confusions.
How not relevant that your Biblical God and Christianity you are trying hard to defend against Islam , are CONFUSIONED together in your book from which you quote numerously to prove your God and religion is full of verses, as errors and mistakes , not worthy of leaving in the Bible and to be removed or review ?

What are U yapping about.
If have any any reasonable to say, spill it out otherwise shut up.
I've always suspected U to be an islamic radical. Useful to loot and burn churches but not for any intellectual discussion.

gaskiyamagana:

Those criteria have:
1. WHAT TO DO WITH GOD, IF TRULY HE IS INFALLIBLE AND HIS WORDS ARE CONTAIN IN THE BIBLE as tagged as Holy Bible'
2. Been forgetten or not applied before present discovered and deleted bible verses I listed for you that you are running away from?

I really can't make sense of what U wrote up there. U may want to explain yourself better.
We are talking about the canonisation of the gospel. That's different from reliability of the gospel or new testament.

Are U asking about the later? There are both external and internal evidence of why the gospel is reliable.

I can't remember avoiding your question. U must confuse me with someone else
But being the so called verses here. But pls one at a time. We resolve a verse and then U bring another. Not dumbing multiple verses and start shouting contradiction.

Ohyoudidnt:


I refuse to answer any of your repeat or straw appending questions.

I have shown the irrefutable core principle of monotheistic belief of Islam and challenged you to show same in your religion.

It remains a mystery to me how 1 is 3 or is it 3 that are 1.

Having a human mind, body and soul is not comparable as these are not mutually exclusive or inclusive. Have you seen a soul or spirit before? Is the spirit/soul at any point somewhere and the body at another?

Of the soul/spirit, body or mind which is the greatest? I believe in the Father,son and holy spirit the father is the greatest.

Discuss trinity with me. It's better than the boring Aisha and Muhammed problem or the gnostic gospels U ve not done enough research about.
Debating above with U is tiring.

U will never accept humping a 9 yr old girl is immoral. The day U accept is the day U leave Islam. So there's no point.
U don't know enough about the gospel canon to make the debate interesting and challenging. I keep having to correct your blunders and errors and it makes the whole thing uninteresting.


Debate me on trinity. I promise U will be cured of your trinity ignorance. I will show U trinity korokoro in the bible.

I always say it, trinity is very simple and easy to understand. If it's complex- I will never believe in it.

I presume U know enough about trinity- all Muslim do. Then let's discuss. I will also go ahead and dislocate your believe about the oneness of your Allah because he's definitely not one.

Ohyoudidnt:


Definitely there's a huge difference between a baby speaking at birth or within the first three months (estimation is mine) and a young child speaking. There then is the huge question why the Gospel of Thomas is not accepted into the Cannon.

This Gospel is even seen as heretical. However this may be it is further confirmation on how you reject some and accept others. How sure is it that those accepted are not invalid while those rejected are more credible?

There's no problem.

Quran 2:79
So woe to those who distort the Scripture with their own hands then say, “This is from Allah”—seeking a fleeting gain! So woe to them for what their hands have written, and woe to them for what they have earned.

Now I will tell U the criteria we used in the canonisation of the gospel. Pls pay attention because if you ask me why some apocryphal gospels were not part of our canon without making reference to these criteria, I will simple ignore u.
It takes a lot of time and effort to come here to write, and the least U expect is for the reader to digest and understand it. U don't need to accept it but read it.

1. The gospel must be written by someone who knew Jesus or knew the disciples of Jesus.
2. It must be an eye witness account i.e written within the lifetime of those who saw, knew and spoke to Jesus Christ. Essentially it must be written in the first century.
3. The written gospel must conform with the oral gospel. B4 the written gospel, there was the oral tradition. People were reciting the logia of Jesus when believers meet.
If the written gospel contain unfamiliar narrations or strange stories unheard in the oral gospel, it will be rejected.
4. The gospel must have approval of the early church or the authority of apostolic fathers. This is to be certain heretic ideology do not find it's way into the gospel.
Even the teaching of Paul had to be subjected to scrutiny by the Jerusalem Church, and was approved b4 Paul could continue his preaching amongst the gentiles. Read acts 15 for understanding.
5. There must be evidence the gospel was read in early churches or mentioned by the apostolic fathers in their own works.

Cc Qasim, expanse, honesttalk, antiChristian. This is also for U.

Ohyoudidnt:


Definitely there's a huge difference between a baby speaking at birth or within the first three months (estimation is mine) and a young child speaking. There then is the huge question why the Gospel of Thomas is not accepted into the Cannon.

This Gospel is even seen as heretical. However this may be it is further confirmation on how you reject some and accept others. How sure is it that those accepted are not invalid while those rejected are more credible?

There's no problem.

Quran 2:79
So woe to those who distort the Scripture with their own hands then say, “This is from Allah”—seeking a fleeting gain! So woe to them for what their hands have written, and woe to them for what they have earned.

One of my headache with U is u don't learn anything in our conversation. I actually read your texts and learn from it if it makes sense. But otherwise is your case.
How can a text written 180 yrs after the said events be considered canon. It means whoever wrote it wasn't an eye witness and nobody who knew Jesus could confirm the book as true.

I told U infancy gospel of Thomas which the Koran copied was written in the mid 2nd century.

Pls do not confuse infancy gospel of Thomas with another book called the gospel of Thomas. The one I'm referring to here is the former. Infancy gospel of Thomas is the one that has stories seen in the Koran.

Gospel of Thomas is a logia and not a gospel. And was equally written in the 2nd century.
Now if that's the gospel U actually referring to here, then know the gospel claim Thomas is the twin brother of Jesus and that everyone can become begotten son of God like Jesus.
Well if that's the gospel U want to embrace, good luck.
But I will definitely consider it heretic.

Ohyoudidnt:


What did the Quran copy?

The Quran is a revelation.

There's nothing revelation about Jesus speaking at birth or Mary growing up in seclusion. infancy gospel of thomas and protoevangelium had it all written down.

But the problem is how come the story of Jesus and Mary in the Quran were unheard of in the 1st century when the eye witnesses were alive. How come people started reading about these strories 150 yrs after the death of Mary and apostles.

Qasim6:



The Quraysh of Macca called the prophet all sort of names, he was not criticized for his marriage with Aisha.

During the middle ages, Prophet Muhammad was criticized in Europe, they spawn different kind of lies against him to justify the crusades. No criticism about his marriage with Aisha.

Renaissance period, Europeans wrote lot of books about prophet Muhammad/Islam. No criticism about his marriage with Aisha.

In 1697 one of them by the name Pridaux even wrote a book to attack the Prophet, he ended up defending him regarding his marriage with Aisha.

Concerning his marriage with Aisha he wrote
"After the death of Khadijah, he married Aisha the daughter of Abubakr; Sawda and Hafsa. Aisha was 6yrs old, though he did not bed her till 2 (3) yrs after when she was fully 8(9), for it is usual in those hot climates as it is in all India which is the same clime with Arabia for women to be ripe for marriage at that age and also bear children the year following".

The question is why did this criticism of child marriage against Muhammad start in the late 19th century?

So? What does above prove? That everyone was doing it made it right?
When did slavery become a crime and immoral.
19th century?
Does that mean it was a moral practice prior to 19th century.

I keep saying it, if Jesus owed slaves, I will be the last to follow him.
I can never put my faith in someone who cannot be best example of all times and in everything.

Qasim6:

The fact that she was called a woman prove nothing.

So we now getting to a level where Muslims can't define woman anymore
I thought its only LGBTQ that can't define woman, now Muslims have joined them.

Qasim define woman. Who is a woman.

Qasim6:

Our agenda is to expose your anachronism and hypocrisy just to criticize Muhammad. Because it is either you are ignorant of human history or you are hypocrite.

There's nothing to expose. Muhammed's action speak for itself. Personally I don't have a problem with your prophet marrying a 6 year old because your quran condone it.
The problem is I see sleeping with a child as an immoral act. Simple.
I will never follow a prophet who is known to have slept with a child.

Qasim6:

Lol. Seriously, so it doesn't matter to you if human are killed unjustly In as much as it is the God you believe in order their killings. How are you different from terrorist? They also believe they are doing God's work by killing Infidels.

Do terrorist have divine mandate to execute God's judgement on earth?
If the answer is no, then they are committing murder.

Anyway we are now in the dispensation of grace and not the law. So the era of instant judgement for disobedience is gone.

Qasim6:

What I was pointing out to you was not killing young virgin girls so they can have them. Is it moral?

God never told the Israelites what to to do with those young girls. Pls read the passage properly.

Qasim6:



You just show how ignorant you are of human history.

You must have lived in 6th century Arabia to have known the custom in the 6th century Arabia.

Umar Ibn-alkattab married ummKulthum when she was between age 10-12

The only evidence of child marriage in ancient Arabic peninsula u could produce was a controversial one.
Islamic scholars couldn't agree if the wedding actually took place.
What a shame!!!
That shows how deeply unpopular such pre teen arrangement marriage was even at that time.

Ali, khuuthum father opposed the marriage because he considered his daughter was too young for such.
Some scholars also claim the marriage didn't take place because she was too young.
Scholars who said the marriage took place wrote Ali agreed only because he was threatened.
Some scholars said it was another khuntum that married caliphate and not ali's daughter.
What a big shame your own evidence testified against U. In a bid to validate nonsense, people end up becoming ridiculous.

https://en.wikishia.net/view/Marriage_of_Umm_Kulthum_with_%27Umar_b._al-Khattab

Qasim6:


Talitha does not necessarily mean little girl, it could mean maiden.

What's the etymology of the Aramaic word Talitha?
It means to be small.

Except you are an expert or proficient in ancient aramaic language, I'm sorry but I have to tell U to shove your opinion down your throat.

Pls check for the meaning of etymology b4 u reply me.

Ohyoudidnt:


I see we are coming to some degree of agreement. Some apocrypha are accepted and others rejected.

In any case. I pointed at age range of 12-14 for Mary. Which age do you agree with and why?

Which book or books do you say are forged ?

Why did Qur'an copy from a forged gospel book.

Ohyoudidnt:


The Deuterocanonical books were included in the Septuagint, but not the Hebrew Bible. They are mostly included in the Catholic Old Testament, but not in the Protestant one.

So the protoevangelium and infancy gospel of Thomas are apocryphal gospel. This means their authenticity is doubtful.

The were written late in the 2nd century, far removed from when Jesus or Mary lived.
The letters are forgery because they are pseudopigraphia. Neither James nor Thomas wrote the letters.
They contain strange gospel messages that were not part of the oral gospel known to the early Christian church.

So if U want to base your faith on such unreliable books that's fine, but don't come here to tell me Mary is 12 yrs old because a forged book said so.

Ohyoudidnt:


The Deuterocanonical books were included in the Septuagint, but not the Hebrew Bible. They are mostly included in the Catholic Old Testament, but not in the Protestant one.

Pls study something b4 bringing it to debate.
Deuterocanonical books has absolutely nothing to do with our argument.
It has nothing to do with the infancy gospel of Thomas or protoevangelium.
As at the time the deuterocanonical books were compiled, Jesus had not even been born not to talk of someone writing any gospel book about him.

Ohyoudidnt:


Ok o.

Furthermore



The Apocrypha, also known as the Deuterocanonical books are rejected by protestants but were part of the Septuagint, the Greek translation of the Old Testament used by early Christians.

Discoveries among the Dead Sea Scrolls have revealed copies of some Deuterocanonical works, indicating that these texts were held in high regard by certain Jewish communities.

Early Christian writers such as Clement of Alexandria and Irenaeus referenced and quoted from these books as authoritative scripture, demonstrating a tradition within early Christianity that recognized their value.

Various early Church councils, including those at Rome (382 AD), Carthage (393 AD), and Hippo (397 AD), affirmed the canonicity of certain Apocryphal books, aligning with a broader acceptance within early Christian communities.

Deuterocanonical books are old testament cannon related. Protoevangelium n gospel of Thomas are not considered deuterocanonical.

Qasim6:



Historically, the marrigable age for Jewish girls at the time was 12. Mary just got betrothed when she became pregnant.

I don hear U. But Jesus saw a 12 yr old female and called her little girl.
I'm sure the marriageable age in ancient Arabia peninsula isn't 12. I'm very sure. Na Muhammed just wanted to fulfil his immoral fantasy.
If I'm wrong point to me who else got married at 12 in your literatures.
Most 12 yrs old are flat chested, they still have nipple and not breast. They are not matured.
What can they even offer u in marriage? People that can barely take care of themselves and now U expect them to shoulder bigger responsibility.

Qasim6:

So, How are sure Mary wasn't 12? Because it doesn't suit your agenda?

My agenda?? The question is why should she be 12?
Someone that was called woman by her big aunty.
Instead we should ask those pushing the 12 narrative what's their agenda.

Qasim6:

Was it moral or Immoral when God (who is Jesus according to you) allowed the Israelites to kill non Virgin women, young Boys and keep young girls for themselves in Numbers 31: 17-18?

Muslims are funny sha, attaching immorality of human life to God. All in a bid to exonerate Muhammed of his immoral act.

Oga, God is the owner of life. He can take it anytime and anyhow without prior notice. God has absolute and ultimate sovereignty over his creation.


There's nothing immoral about taking back what belongs to U and it's not immoral for God to recall back the souls he sent to planet earth. He owes the soul no explanation.
God is not bound by any human moral fibre because he exist outside of such morality.

The same way we humans are not bound by the code of conduct of the animal kingdom.

I'm surprised U dont even know this. When we say Islam lacks sound theology, people will say we insulting islam

Qasim6:

We are in different age, we have different expectations from society, I believe a girl less than 18 at this point in human history have no business being a bride not to talk of receiving the punishment for Adultery.

Then U just threw your own Koran under the bus because the Qur'an said U can actually divorce a girl who is yet to attain menarche ie a pre teen girl can be get married and be kicked out according to your Qur'an.

Ohyoudidnt:


You claim it has been thoroughly thrashed that Mary wasn't 12?

How old was she? However thorough you claim it is far from convincing.

Your view of sleeping with a 9yr old being immoral is subject to opinion though this doesn't imply an agreement that Aisha r.a was 9years though you have earlier pointed to an age of 6.

You strongly base this age claim on hadith(s) and I ask what date or which dates these these reports come to be? Can you absolutely rely on them?

Unfortunately focus is on far reaching punishments under the Sharia without considering what this law in accord with Islam/quran put in place to limit the commitment of this crime. The process to convict for adultery is quite far reaching and I ask in return how many people prophet Muhammad pbuh had punished by killing for adultery?

I easily recall one man who was sufficient evidence by testifying 4 times against himself. How easy is it to get 4 credible witnesses for adultery?

Call to mind a similar case when one woman was accused of adultery in the Bible? It may have been a ploy to set Jesus up however in the way he handled this you see an implied requirement of proof. Was the partner she committed adultery with mentioned? Why punish one part of the offenders and leave the other free?

Also call to mind that Aisha r.a was accused of this but it was slander and untrue.

I don hear U if U want hear me.
I no get strength for back and forth argument.

Ohyoudidnt:


Historians not Muslims agree that Mary was most likely between 12 and 14 years old when Jesus was born.

The Virgin Mary, Jesus' earthly mother, is best known for her spiritual wisdom. Her example of trust in God and faith inspires thousands of people. Most time, artwork portrays her as a grown woman, but how old was Mary when she had Jesus? Historians believe that she was a young teenager when she gave birth, between the ages of 12 and 14.

As a teen, Mary answered the call from God for a purpose that she couldn’t have imagined. She didn’t let her age stop her from moving forward with God’s plan for her life. By learning Mary’s story, we can find out how to respond when God calls us to take action in our lives.




The age that menarche occurs is mostly attributed to the interaction of genetics and various environmental factors. Onset of menarche has varied over the years. You also know that human medicine is not an absolute science. There are variations.



Do enlighten me but I know from Eusebius account in The Church History that a laundryman from the masses took a club used for beating out clothes and hit James the Just on the head which brought about his death despite surviving the fall.

Quit the game. This has been thoroughly thrashed.
Mary wasn't 12 when she got pregnant.

It's immoral to sleep with a 9 year old. Highly immoral.

Assume the 9 yr old bride commited adultery. Will she be stoned to death according to shariah law?

Religion is simply about serving humanity. If U looking for religion, just look for one that resonate with your understanding of humanity and service.
It could be Buddhism or modern African spirituality. Doesn't really matter....

But if U searching for the truth and afterlife, then know there's only ONE TRUTH and this is Jesus. He's the only person that guarantees eternal life.

The beautiful thing is Jesus Christ offers you the assurance of afterlife NOW, the door to eternal life is in this life.

Only a scammer will offer u result of a promise after death. Of course there's no way to know if you've been scammed or not

Jesus said 'Now this is eternal life, that they may know you the only true God and Jesus Christ whom you have sent'.

Kobojunkie:
You got the wrong blind man. Read instead John 9 about the man who was born blind. He didn't know who Jesus Christ was; Jesus Christ had to introduce Himself to the man after the man, and his parents, had been interrogated by the Pharisees.

Also, investigate the people of Chorazin and Bethsaida, whom Jesus Christ healed and eventually had to curse at, how much faith did He, Jesus Christ find then?

Jesus Christ never said people needed to have even a mustard seed of faith to be healed. Recall that it was His followers who needed to have the mustard seed of faith to be able to move mountains and do the works of God. Those who simply needed to be healed, many of them outside of Jesus Christ, never required faith before they could be healed. That included those who were dead among them too.

By the way, we still have yet to define faith for this discussion. My understanding of the term "faith" is different from yours. So, can you clearly state what faith is? And please, do not resort to the cheap religious tales regarding this particular story cause many of us are sick to the bones of the lies you religious folks spew using the name of God.

Your heresy on this platform is astounding. Yet U won't engage with sound Christians on this forum to cure u.

What happened to 'if I could just touch the hem of his garment'.
What about the healing of the centurion's faith ? Jesus said he's never seen such faith in Israel.
Jesus told the syrophoenician woman that her request is granted because of her great faith.

Ohyoudidnt:

Luke 1
39 At that time Mary got ready and hurried to a town in the hill country of Judea,
40 where she entered Zechariah’s home and greeted Elizabeth.
41 When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit.
42 In a loud voice she exclaimed: “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the child you will bear!
43 But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
44 As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy.
45 Blessed is she who has believed that the Lord would fulfill his promises to her!”

-Mary of Galilee: Mary in the New Testament,Bertrand Buby


- The Jewishness of Mary;Sister M. Danielle Peters

In the bible a 12 year old male and female are both called boy and girl respectively.

It's not just a mere coincidence that people of that age group are considered children.
Infact maturity and physical development will put them as early puberty and it's no surprise that the Jewish culture regarded them as kids.

Now Muslims want us to believe our of no where that Mary was married at 12 years. It defiles logic when applied contextually to biblical understanding of Jewish culture.

The book of ezekiel described a girl who just entered puberty was left alone to mature. Then after she became fully matured, there was discussion about a groom for her.

This depicts girls are not shipped off to husband's house until the complete puberty which is at least 16 yrs.

The source of mary's 12 yr old age was the Apocrypha protoevangelium of James and infancy gospel of Thomas, books written late in the 2nd century.
These books pushed the concept that Mary was a perpetual lifelong virgin by claiming she got pregnant very young this couldn't have known any man and Joseph was a very old man who had no physical desire of Mary thus never slept with her.

It's noteworthy to mention the Qur'an copied a lot from theses false books written more than 150 hrs after the life of Jesus.
The Protoevangelium especially was used to create the stories of Mary which are found in the Quran.

Ohyoudidnt:

Luke 1
39 At that time Mary got ready and hurried to a town in the hill country of Judea,
40 where she entered Zechariah’s home and greeted Elizabeth.
41 When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit.
42 In a loud voice she exclaimed: “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the child you will bear!
43 But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
44 As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy.
45 Blessed is she who has believed that the Lord would fulfill his promises to her!”

-Mary of Galilee: Mary in the New Testament,Bertrand Buby


- The Jewishness of Mary;Sister M. Danielle Peters

U just quoted the bible. I'm asking U where did U learn that the word woman can be used for any female as a sign of adoration even if 10 yrs. That's my question.

Elizabeth called Mary woman. A woman is a female who have completed puberty....at least she must have regular period and 2 developed breasts.

12 years old don't have it.

Ohyoudidnt:


In the context provided, Mary was called a woman by Elizabeth in the Bible because of the significance and respect associated with the term “woman” in that cultural and religious context. When Elizabeth addressed Mary as “woman,” it was a term of honor and recognition of Mary’s role in bearing the Messiah, Jesus Christ. The use of “woman” in this instance signified reverence and acknowledgment of Mary’s unique position as the mother of the Lord.

Cite a reference. U are not a scholar or expert in Jewish culture.
Your opinion counts for nothing.

AyobamiOluwole:


Wow. This is how I saw it to be honest. It wasn't a difficult thing I asked. In that moment I only needed someone to comfort me. A cuddle was the only thing I could think of. How could she not see it that way? And my anger was so bad I acted foolishly. 😔

U took a big risk sending her out of your house at midnight.
What if she was kidnapped or had a gunshot or just disappeared. She could be killed that night and her body later discovered in the morning with some parts missing.

Bro U will have lots of explanation to do and the best possible scenario is spending months in jail while u fight your innocence.
Remember people knew she came to see U and U were the last known person she was seen with.
Trust me the outcome won't be funny at all. Trust police to even torture u just to extract imaginary information from U.

Ohyoudidnt:


It's reported that James the Just was thrown down from the parapet (of the Temple) and beaten to death with a fuller’s club;

James the Just was thrown down and pelted because he refused to renounce Jesus despite pressure from a group of furious scribes and Pharisees. When they demanded that he denounce his faith, James steadfastly refused, leading to his apprehension. Subsequently, he was taken to the pinnacle of the Temple in Jerusalem and thrown down by the angry mob.

Obviously Jesus was not accepted even after his death and his followers too were killed for sticking to a doctrine that wasn't accepted by the priests who followed the previous scripture including the Torah and Scrolls of Isaiah

What happened to the Pharisees and scribes who killed James.
What was the reaction of the masses to the death of James the just.

Ohyoudidnt:


You don't have convincing proof on the age of Mary? Is this to be left to speculation?

The mention of Jairus’ daughter as a “little girl” at 12 years old reflects a term used affectionately or to denote youthfulness rather than literal age.

In ancient Jewish culture, it was not uncommon for girls to be married at a young age, sometimes as early as onset of puberty.

The concept of childhood and adolescence in terms of age ranges and societal roles differed significantly from modern standards.

Define puberty. Is an average 12 yr old girl flat chested or full breasted?
Is development of the breast a necessity for womanhood.

Jesus calling a 12 year old a little girl means she's a girl. You don't call a 22 year old woman little girl.
Too many bogus claim here.

No Jewish girl marry at onset of puberty. If U have evidence, bring one otherwise U lying.

In ancient cultures, the most important physical attributes to determine a female readiness for marriage is menstruation and development of the breast.

An average 12 year old has none of this. Try harder.

Ohyoudidnt:


You don't have convincing proof on the age of Mary? Is this to be left to speculation?

The mention of Jairus’ daughter as a “little girl” at 12 years old reflects a term used affectionately or to denote youthfulness rather than literal age.

In ancient Jewish culture, it was not uncommon for girls to be married at a young age, sometimes as early as onset of puberty.

The concept of childhood and adolescence in terms of age ranges and societal roles differed significantly from modern standards.

Define puberty. Is an average 12 yr old girl flat chested or full breasted?
Is development of the breast a necessity for womanhood.

Ohyoudidnt:


@ANTIIISLAM TENQ SIRTEE15 ADVOCATEJARE MIGHTYSPARROW

What do you say?

Trinity is very easy to explain. It's like bread and butter.
The question is are U willing to accept the explanation?

Now let's start with some definitions.

Tell me what is a being, what is a person.

Ohyoudidnt:


[size=15pt]How Old Was Mary When Jesus Was Born[/size]?
The Bible does not tell us directly how old Mary was when she gave birth to Jesus.

“This is how the birth of Jesus the Messiah came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be pregnant through the Holy Spirit” (Matthew 1:18).

During this time in history, Jewish girls would have been betrothed (engaged) to their husbands as early as the age of 12 years old. Scholars believe Mary would have been somewhere between 12-16 years old when she had Jesus.

If Mary was 12 this is also teenage with the other ages varying from early teens. There are only 7 years of teenage. 16 just crosses the mid teenage.

Mary was called a woman by Elizabeth ' blessed at thou among all women'. This shows Mary must have completed puberty by the time she got pregnant.

Jesus called a 12 year old female a little girl- jarius daughter. This shows a 12 yr old female is considered a girl in the 1st century AD JEWISH tradition.
Jesus was called a boy when he was 12 years old.

So U may have to try harder with your dawahgandist. U should know by now this won't fly with me.
Look here I don't have a problem with Muhammed sleeping with a 9 year old, it's not my headache.
Though I believe it's immoral to sleep with a 9 yr old girl, even your fasting exception proves it.
It only shows Muhammed is not a prophet of all time but for his time.
Sex and pregnancy should be the ultimate initiation of a female into adult hood. A girl has no business having sex.

AntiChristian:


A woman has no marriage age in Islam. And marriage is not connected to fasting!

Marriage is not connected to fasting! Even an adult who is sick, breastfeeding, having menses or parturition blood, traveling or very old may not fast.


It won't make sense to hypocrites!



So marriage and fasting are not connected at all as you put it!

I know a kid of 8 years who fasted over 25 days in Ramadan in the past!

Am not surprised, U never make sense for one day.
We are talking about maturity here n physical development if a child....both are necessary for marriage and fasting.

According to U, an 8 year old girl body isn't developed to withstand the stress from fasting but it's ok for that body to be plummeted every night in the other room. Do U know people actually faint from sex? Do U know disproportionate di.ck size can cause vaginal tear n damage the womb.
Have U ever thought why your Aisha never got pregnant?