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[quote author=kev-d link=topic=152238.msg2529103#msg2529103 date=1216485008]There is a big difference between an action movie star and  great character actor,the likes of Arnold Schwarzenegger,Sylvester Stallone,Jackie Chan,Vin diesel give great box office returns but are not character actors, the great actors include Robert Deniro,Al Pacino ,Denzel Washington ,Anthony Hopkins,Jack Nicholson,Daniel Day Lewis,Sean Penn and Rusell Crowe may not have sold out Theatres but are regarded as the best in the business due to their intense performances in dramatic roles.

Now as for Will Smith he is mainly an action star but has shown capacity for great dramatic roles like in ALI and The Pursuit of Happyness but to compare him with Denzel as an actor is ridiculous, Performances in Malcolm X , Glory ,The Hurricane,Siege,Training Day, Remember the Titans,American Gangster,Crimson tide cannot be matched.

If your the type of person that goesto the movies for sheer entertainment you will defintely love Will smith more, but if you love movies for their artistic content and ability to make you think and for  challenging character portrayals i'd say Denzel is way on top.[/quote]I'm quoting Kev-d's post because sums up why Will Smith should never be compared to Denzel Washington.

By the way, I love how you grouped the actors . . Character Actors and Entertainment Actors. It's unfortunate they have to use the word Actor for the latter group but can you do, eh?

Thanks.

chiogo:
Right, and like i mentioned earlier, i didn't want to bring religion into it either but either way you look at it, the words apply. Ok, in real life, if one has a friend or someone in their life that stops them from achieving their goals, what do you do?? Say bye to the friend and move on with your life. Same theory as the one i took from the bible.

It's not really easy for Monty to remain celibate just because he moved to the mountains or whatever. For one who is a philanderer, it is a hard decision to make to move to a zone where you know you won't be able to get sex anymore. That itself, is a challenge - the decision to move from one's comfort zone.

I don't really get what you mean by their movie choices. Last time i checked, all these actors have their movies written for 'em. so, what movie choices are we talkin about here?? I def. agree that Denzel is a better actor but by a very thin line. For one, he's older and therefore, he is given mature roles and he's been playing that role since forever. I'm sure either of them would do well in other roles but it'd be less interesting to watch because the audience won't be used to their new characters. Will smith does not play those roles because he's immature and Denzel doesn't play those roles because he's so smart - They're used to their roles, point blank.

Goodness!

I didn't think the underlining meaning of my analogy will be this difficult to understand. Obviously, you'd rather see it a certain way, that's why you insist on bringing philandering men into it.  So let's just agree to disagree on that since there is nothing I can say or do to make you see where I was going with it.


Re: Movie Choices.
Alright I don't know how much you know about movie making but rarely do screenwriters write with a particular actor in mind. This is why they have casting sessions. Do you think anyone is holding a gun to an actor's head forcing him to act a movie? You do know they have the option of turning down scripts and by doing so, they are asserting their right to CHOOSE. . . hence their Movie Choices.

Denzel Washington turned an offer to play Martin Luther King.

Will Smith Turned down Superman and Neo in The Matrix.

Ben Affleck turned down Brokeback Mountain

Halle Berry turned down Gigli (thank heavens for that)

Angelina Jolie turned down Charlie's Angels

Al Pacino Turned down Pretty Woman.

I can go on and on but I'm sure you get the point. . . Actors have choices!

So when I say his choice in movies, I mean HIS choice in movies because HE makes the final decision (except he owes money to the Mob, then they make the decision)

What you wrote here They're used to their roles is known as typecasting. On the What actors DREAD most list, Typecasting is #2.

After Titanic, Leonardo DiCaprio got many offers to play romantic leading man, he turned them down because he didn't want to be typecasted.

Jennifer Aniston barely has a movie career because people can't stop seeing her as Rachel Green from friends.

The Seinfeld Gang can't escape their Seinfeld characters (well Julia Louis seems to have gotten over the curse, I hear her new sitcom is good)

Matt Damon did the Bourne Identity movies to break away from the sensitive leading man role people were starting to identify him with.

Again, I can go on and on but I have faith you get my point. Typecasting is BAD and most actors. . . except Will Smith of course,  will do anything to break away from it by acting against type. What's the point of calling yourself an actor is you can't be versatile


Oh #1 on the list - Not getting movie offers.

@ Topic
Off with their heads, I say!

chiogo:
@Sisikill, you tried with your "Joey and monty" analogy but your conclusion isn't convincing enough. I would personally admire Monty
who moved to where there'd be no temptation. Let's be honest here, from your analysis, Joey wouldn't make it in the real world. How many men(philanderous ones) go through such temptations and resist for a long period of time??

I don't want to bring religion into this Cuz I'm not all that religious myself. I rarely read the bible but i remember some verse in the bible which says
that "If one of your eyes is going to hinder you from entering the kingdom, then pluck it off". Just like Monty, he knew the real world would continue to tempt him to have sex so he decided to move. I don't see anything wrong in that.

Anywayz, we all agree Denzel is the better actor but i don't understand what you meant by him sticking it out in the real world because he was sure of himself. What makes you think Will didn't stick it out in the real world or does he live in a fake world??

Okay, I'd suggest you read my post again because there seems to be a misunderstanding. No mention of real or fake world with regards to Will Smith and Denzel Washington, only in my analogy with Monty and Joey. I said DW puts himself out there. . . and by that, I meant he takes risks with his movie choices. Will Smith has admitted that he is afraid to be that bold with his choices. He knows action movies work for him and he would rather stick with it. If that doesn't say how unsure he is about himself, I don't know what does.

Secondly, My analogy has nothing to do with the bible or religion, so reading it in that context takes us to another level. I'd rather you look at it in the context of. . . Taking up a challenge, instead of running scared. It's easy for Monty to remain celibate because there's no challenge but how does he know what he is capable of doing or being? Everytime Joey overcomes an obstacle, it makes him stronger, It builds something in him.

I also would like to add. . . again that I like Will Smith, I think he is a good actor. I just don't think he should becompared to Denzel Washington. Compare Will Smith to Jamie Fox, they both have similar background career wise.

I'll end this by quoting Mohammed Ali. . . "It's lack of faith that makes people afraid of meeting challenges, and I believed in myself." I find it rather ironic, that one of the few times Will Smith ventured out of his safe cocoon, he played a guy who never backed down from challenges.

@ CH3COO
Lmao. . . I would consider it but you have Halle Berry. I've made it a policy to be the only crazy black chick in a human sandwich. When you drop Halle, have your people call my people and we'll see if we can come up with recipes. Oh just a heads up. . . I like mine hot and spicy.

I'll have me a Christian Bale & Collin Firth Sandwich, with a dash of Angelina Jolie spinkled on top and on the side. Oh heck, just dip the entire sandwich in Angelina Jolie, thanks much.

Naija Celebrities I'll give an arm and a leg to meet are OLU JACOBS and JOKE SILVER. . . Separately because I don't think my brain will function well if I meet them together . . .that's how much I am in awe of them.

RMD was on my list but then I saw him in Jeans Overalls. . . not the long ones, the shorts, just a few inches below the knee, shorts. I threw up in mouth, washed up and crossed him off my list. There are just some clothes a man should never wear and Jeans overalls is one one of them.

CH3COO:
sisikill you keep appearing and disappearing like bubbles. sp over dw

KarmaMod:
Cant stand Tyler Perry and his movies either, SiSi

It's a shame that GU put herself in his crap but she makes it up by being in less mainstream movies at times eg Running With Scissors  

and lol Sisi, your sarcasm might be too much for some people hence davidif's freakout. *sighs* that's how I was when I first got here as TOH but whenm everyone got all confused and retarded, I had to moderate it  

JEEBUS! NO WAY!!!!!

I swear to God, I am so FREAKING SLOW!!!

How did I not know it was you??

You have to tell me. . . what do you do? LOL


I'll try to cut the sacarsm down but sometimes. . . it's hard not to take a shot, some people make it so easy!!

Funny!

CH3COO:
  OMG she said the "G" word.  Round of applause.

Did I forget to add. . .  DW is Greater?

I did! Oops!

SeanT21:
I did not say that Box Office tells how good an actress or actor is. I said it tells the person that the world appreciate them.
Lindsay Lohan movies gross big at the box office. It do not mean that she is good. It just means that she have stupid teenagers for her fans.

There is no way you can compare Gabriella Union to Jane Fonda.

Oh? Well then I must have misunderstood when you dismissed Don Cheadle as a good actor by asking how much his movie grossed. Mah Bad! I do that sometimes.

Gamine:
We cnt

GU is a beautiful black lady

JF is a shrivelled white Woman, i still like her though

LMAO!

GU is beautiful. . . for awhile there, I had high hopes that she'd go mainstream.

Then it happened! I saw Daddy's Little Girls. . . scratch that, I was the preview to Daddy's Little Girl.

I almost wept as I had a moment of silence for a career cut short by Tyler Perry ^{Gah! can't stand him.}

Poster's Issue

Two guys and A girl

Poster is one of the guys, the other is his shy friend.

Friend liked a girl but was too shy to ask her out. So poster helped set things in motion without the girl knowing what he was doing.

The relationship worked, poster was happy for his friend. . . Until he got a call from his friend informing him the girl said poster called her to ask her out.

Poster is shocked because he doesn't even know the girl's #. She is also well known in the area and many people have her number.

He thought confronting her will make it difficult for her to lie so boldly but she didn't budged.

He asked her what number he supposedly called from and she said it was private.

All of this in front of his friend and even though poster finds the incident funny, he's confused as to why she'd do that to him.


And that's it.

@ Topic
Don't make an issue of it, I suspect she's trying to come between you and your friend. . . Some girls are like that, just want to rid their boyfriends of their friends.

You making a big deal out of it will be playing into her hands. Don't give her ammo to use against you, let it go. The truth will out. . . It always does.


I apologise for abusing your thread and adding nothing to the topic earlier. It was rude and completely out of line.

[Quote]My dad thinks I should. . .[/quote]Honestly, some people have all the luck. . . with love, with life, with parents. My daddy would have slapped me, ehn that kiss will turned to Hiss fast fast

"No daddy, I said hiss, hiss, hiss, you know like a snake hisss and I only feel bad coz. . . you know, you taught me hissing is rude"

[I]Laugh Nervously[/I]

"Ha, daddy you're getting old oh. . . Kiss ke? What's that sef"


@ Post
Honestly, I see nothing wrong. Let sleeping dogs lie. . . It's not like it's gonna happen again, right? Riiight?

CH3COO:
Yeah sisikill . Modify or BAN.

There's a 3rd alternative. . . Locked!

Gah! I just had my thread locked!

Can't do anything now even if I wanted to.

Familiar?


@ Post
Be Strong, Take heart

Remember God dey!

Cristalz:
@Sisikill
I'm nicely asking you now to go modify the massive lie you blasted about me on your silly 'sexes' thread,k?The inexpiable magnitude of your cluelessness is astounding.

I'm open to correcting any error in my report.

What. . . what was the error in my report?


@ Post
Yes. . . good . . .whatever he said.

Breaking News

We've just been informed THE CREATOR has put an end to the Battle of the Sexes.

We don't know the details of the peace treaty yet but we're still on the job.

Stay Tuned.

*Runs in search of Queenisha, Eldee, Pataki, Hannibal, Davidylan, CH3COO, Lady J, Lady T, Busta*

*Ba Gaan*

Round 9

On my left. . . The Proponents of Women Should be Treated like Human Beings Bill are The nairaland Females & Their Male Supporters (Wave to crowd Davidylan & CH3COO)


On my Right. . . The Advocates of Woman Should be Treated like Animals or Worse are the Nairaland Males & Their Female Supporter (Cristalz Sweetie, say Hi to the people now. Good Girl)


Ladies and Gentlemen it's been an intense couple of hours, what started off as a simple case of Physical Abuse has turned into an assertions of rights.


For the women - The Right not to worry they are about to get smacked everytime their man raises up his hand. "Is it too much to ask that a man respects his wife?" Queenisha, the head of the women's committe asked.


For the men - The Right to use their woman as a punching bag. "Why go to the gym when when you have a girl at home" one of them said to this reporter off the record.

Both parties have a point, a woman should be respected but a man does have a right to keep in shape.

Tough Decision.

Stay Tuned.

Reporting Live From the battlefield. . . Sisikill (Hermaphrodite or Hermy for Short)

Out!

CH3COO:
maybe she's a freak. some women have a suicidal fetish for physical punishment.

S & M, eh?

Oh la la.

Jakumo:
Now I understand why a Lagos State legislator is trying to criminalize the ownership of generators. He has long been aware that generators harbor evil spirits, and the man has made it his life mission to eradicate those demonic engines from Nigerian shores for the rest of all time.

Rotflmao!

Yeah! Go! Go! Senator. Smart!

Our Exorcist in Charge!

redsun:
Health and safety in nigeria is non-existent,not even in airline industries.People will prefer to run their gens even their living rooms and balconies,to a thief stealing it outside,undermining the implications of the fumes because in most cases,they don't know it is suicidal,the slightest mistake of inhaling those fumes in a confine place for a period of time causes death,and it is silent and invicible

You are so right!

Went to Nigeria in 2005 and was shocked to see people in those face me I face you apartments using generators. Even though the gens were on the balcony, it didn't help much because they had like 10-12 gens lined up. My only concern back then was the noise pollution. . . didn't even put the fumes into account.

It's just a horrible situation.

This is very sad.

Waiting for someone to use this as talking point for why generator should be banned.

Pataki:
I remember in my Uni days, while travelling between Abeokuta and Lagos, I was at Ketu Motor Park inside the bus, and then this argument started between a Soldier and a Lady towards who was sitting by the window side of the bus. One thing led to another, before we knew it, this soldier gave the lady a resounding and vibrating slap.

After minutes of everyone shouting on the soldier and calming the lady down, the soldier sat by the window, while the lady sat infront of the soldier. Some 30 seconds later, this lady turned around and gave this soldier a higher resounding and more vibrating slap. Before we knew it, the soldier was ordering for pure water to wash off the blood gushing from his mouth.

The lady then highlighted from the bus and took another bus that morning.

Hannibal may you never meet such women!!!!

Rotflmao!

Now that's how you do it . . . errr. . . I mean what?

How dare she? Does she not know he is man?

Na wa oh, times are really changing.

It's all in God's hands now.

StephenP:
A round of applause for you man!.

((CLAPING))))

Hmmm! Oh yeah! He went like NIKE and Just did it. . . Twwwwwaaaa! on her face!

StephenP:
How dare she touch your Nokia 3510 and pick up your call while you were sweating in the toilet taking a shit?

That's what I been talkin' about!

StephenP:
Doesn't she know that one of your other girlfriends could have been calling? Is she crazy?

That's. . . that's what I said!

StephenP:
Good thing you were in a good mood or else her parents would not have recognized her when you were done with her

I say if her daddy tries to talk some smack, go ahead slap him too.

Shooo! These days a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do, how's he gonna prove he's a man if he can't give his girlfriend a little blackeye? In the old days, it used to be you send your girfriend/wife to the ER and you get your Man Badge but things have changes. . . they made it easy and only a wannabe man won't do what he got to do, ya know.

Richguys:
Just remmeber ETTEH MUST GO SAGA. and repeat you statement.

LOL . . . okay.

Women - 2 (I'll give you Iyabo Obansanjo)

Men - 8541247 this year alone.

I repeat my statement. . .

Well, one thing we can be sure of is they can't do worse than the men.

So yeah, I say let 'em have a go at it.

CH3COO:
Woah sisikill "infinity and beyond" kind of detailed, no kidding. I won't say more than that since you made me wait over 24 hours to get a response.

Actually, I'll say a little.

[s]They are both well paid and extremely talented. Fresh-Prince-of-Bel-Air reruns can't seem to get old - Carlton also has very much to do with that. He can diversify his acting and can easily adapt to roles extending from comedy, to action, adventure, scifi, and reality. Denzel is the better actor in my opinion, but Willie has also been very successful so far. He has this exceptional ability to connect with fans, which is why he keeps getting called upon to star in so many films.[/s]

ROTFLMAO

What? You said details. . . didn't ya?

I'm not disputing Will Smith is a great actor.

Errr. . . I guess that's it.

SeanT21:
Regina, Gabriella, Katherine, Jada Pinkett or whomever can not be compared to heavyweights Like Jane Fonda, Meryl streep, Julia Robert, Sharon Stone or Charlize Theron.

Hey SeanT21. . . been awhile.

Good to see ya again.

Regina, Gabriella, Katherine & Jada all have movies which grossed a lot, a lot a lot at the box office.

Well, according to someone. . . box office is the measure of heavyweightness.

So I figure why not throw 'em in there with the Fondas and the Roberts and the Streeps.