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[quote author=Akanbi_edu link=topic=279117.msg6632184#msg6632184 date=1282664677]WRONG QUESTION.

Nigeria owns the oil, not Niger-delta. When did they create the word Niger-delta sef? Nigeria was existing before oil was discovered.

As somebody mentioned earlier, the real fight is always between the haves and the have-nots. until people figure that out, there will be no solution. Nigerians will eventually figure this out, just that it may take too much time.[/quote]I believe the fight has always been for good governance that would better represent the people but I wouldn't argue with your postulation either.

[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=279117.msg6632198#msg6632198 date=1282664759]Maybe you should ask the colonial masters and the first republicans how the cocoa was spent instead of asking me what happened over 50 years ago.the point here is that the cocoa was coming from the west while the groundnut came from the north and there was no complaint of any form.
Bunch of the oil wealth as at today still goes to the niger delta states,so also for every bunkering that occurred in the region,you find a niger delta directly involved or as a conspircay.why should you blame the north or yoruba for the woes caused by indigenes of the region ? Have you ever seen a yoruba man in MEND ?[/quote]Do you understand how silly and childish that question sounds? Why not recite to yourself what the abbreviation MEND stands for and it might help. You think even up to half of the bunkering that goes on in the Niger Delta is done by hooligans? It is not every thread you need to comment on just for the sake of it. The flaw in your logic has been called out and as usual you try to change topic. Was there any such thing like cocoa derivation fund? Why do you make it sound as if other regions of Nigeria got Cocoa or Cocoa money for free? Do you actually understand what trade means?

P.S. what happened to the Cocoa fields and groundnut pyramids? Have people all of a sudden forgotten how to farm? Why do we talk of the groundnut pyramids and cocoa fields in past tense?

[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=279117.msg6631982#msg6631982 date=1282663005]You gus forgot that the so-called oil wealth goes to individual pockets rather than being used for development,how much does the whole northern region collect monthly that would make them collapse? The cocoa and the groundnut wealth of the west and north were also shared before the discovery of oil,did the other region collapsed ? You guys have over-stretched this oil stuff and it's starting to pisss me off[/quote]Stop sounding so ignorant. Cocoa was bought, it was trade and the traders got paid for their work. I am yet to see in Nigeria structures or cities or government bureaucracies built and run on Cocoa derivation fund. If other regions or Nigeria as a whole can survive without oil then why have we been having this discussion? Rather it is people like you that annoy. Have you seen the devastation oil spills and gas flaring has brought to the Niger Delta region? But as long as it is not in your backyard or affecting you it is fine and people who voice such genuine complaints like environmental degredation and calling for an actual federal structure that makes sense are the ones that are annoying voices to ignore as long as states keep getting their derivation, right?

netotse:
yep the investors'll have more to lose, i never disagreed with that, my point was that we'd suffer as well. . . if where the money comes from doesn't matter, then why are the states being allowed only a minority holding in the distribution companies?

i'm all for the privatization, but the tariff needs to be sorted out first, and if government doesn't sort that out, then selling the distribution companies wont make much of a difference!

Of course the tariff needs to be sorted out and price of power would inevitably rise, I don't think anyone on this thread ever argued with you on that so what was the point? The issue of tariff has already been discussed on other threads and it is a discussion that seems ongoing in government. However considering it is a private enterprise, why not let those with the money decide for themselves whether or not they want to invest, considering you are not privvy to all the details (since I seriously doubt anyone would invest at the current tariff)? We don't have to lunge at every piece of news we get just for the sake of it.

netotse:
@skyblue
*sigh* trust me, i understand the nigerian power system very well, when you hear the term 'national grid' what the technical people primarily refer to is the transmission grid not the distribution grid, the distribution  zones are not interconnected the way you thing they are. I pasted that picture so you could see it was by regions not states, pray tell, when a region doesn't have enough power for it's own consumers why would it want to supply another region?

we're not talking about other cities in the world, we're talking about nigeria, those cities dont have the same issues that we have here.

i must say, you're starting to stray into operations and it's only fair to warn you that if you're planning to argue that with me, it wont be a fair fight in the least!

There is no need to even stray into operations as such would only prove an unecessary distraction. The point is we have more to gain and private investors have more to lose from this arrangement. I have not actually seen you attempt to dispute that. Whose money in capital investment is going to be lost if the distribution companies run inefficiently? People who are so worried about rich corrupt politicians buying up our infrastructure can sue them to court when we have the a judicial system that actually works. Till that day comes the people need light and whoever has the money to buy and run operations for a profit is free to do so. As long as government is there to regulate the market and the sector is liberated and open to other players somewhere down the line then so be it. Heck if government selling roads would mean we have good roads then so be it, I think Nigerians have had enough of government inefficiency.

netotse:
you fail to see my point, lose customers to who? the distribution companies are arranged regionally, so distribution companyA cant supply discoB's customers(see picture attached below), if you go back to generator, what's the point then?you'll merely be increasing your costs. The big companies might be able to afford that, but it'll most definitely put strain on a lot of nigerians.

you cant deal with power the way you'd deal with any other service because among others, power is a monopoly.

i think the issue here is that you dont know enough about the power sector to understand how things could possibly go wrong. if they lose their investment, then the economy will suffer worse that it's suffering now!

And who wants to throw money down the drain? I don't think you fully appreciate how reliant Nigeria is on generators. When NEPA went on strike who actually missed their services? MTN sinks huge money into running generators and also budget for that. Do you really understand how measly 4000MW for a country of over hundred million is? Such capacity is not enough to run industries (that have learnt not to rely on NEPA) and I can name cities in the world that generate more power than PHCN does for the whole country. The infrastructure is aged and needs upgrading. The grid is being upgraded. We have more to gain and investors have much more to lose if they fail. Selling of 11 distribution firms is just a start and you fail to realise that we do have a (by force by force) national grid, which means you don't need to live in the same state to get power from distribution companies there.

netotse:
lose customers to who? guy, chill out now, this is electricity we're talking about o, not your run-of-the-mill service. . .they won't be losing jack to anybody. where the money comes from is an indicator of how the company might be run now. . .

Eleven power distribution firms are being sold (not one). Again I repeat, it is not you or government that would be losing money or investment so wetin consain you? If they don't run the business efficiently they lose customers and more importantly to them, their financial investment goes down the drain. Na your money?

netotse:
make that who've got money to waste. . .at the present tariff levels, it'll most likely be people who have money and are not really interested in quick returns because unless tariffs are increased before the sale, i doubt they'll be able to push through a tariff rise after buying the company and the only people i think that can pull that off are people that have stolen money. . .correct me if i'm wrong!

Wetin consain you consain whether it is people with 'stolen money'? That is the beauty of private enterprise. If they don't improve their business and please their customers they will lose their customer base to competition that would be willing to provide a better service, simple.

adconline:
I don't get why you quoted me and put up the list

Gas price in New York is  $ 2.85, Gas price in Lagos is $1.62. Price differential: $1.23
Minimum wage in NYC is $7.25  per  hour based on 40 hrs work wk of 300  dollars , minimum wage in Lagos per hour is $.05 based on 40 hr work wk of N18,000 per month. Why is gas cheaper in Saudi, Iran and Venezuela.

News flash, Nigeria is a poor country and the money the government spends on subsidising the gross and corrupt inefficiency of the petroleum sector (NNPC et al) is money that could be sunk into capital projects like infrastructure which would attract more investment from the private sector that would better run these sectors, employ people, create an environment where business can grow, and ultimately increase the minimum wage you are so quick to quote. What do you think the fuel subsidies are used for? The system is grossly corrupt and every year billions which could be used to invest in capital projects are thrown into this subsidy blackhole. I think you might want to research a bit more on the issue and why people call for deregulation of the oil sector. At the end of the day if we invest more in refineries and infrastructure, or better yet, allow an enabling environment for the private sector to grow in that sector, then simple market forces will drive prices down. If not why don't you tell me why price of fuel is more expensive in the UK than it is in the states (both of which are developed economies)?

adconline:
All well and good but I really can't wait for the whole darn thing to be deregulated and put in private hands with different companies fighting for costumers (same with the petroleum sector too)
http://www.dailyfinance.com/story/gas-prices-around-the-world/19543148/

GAS PRICES AROUND THE WORLD

1. Asmara, Eritrea | $9.59

2. Oslo, Norway | $7.41

3. Copenhagen, Denmark | $6.89

4. Hong Kong | $6.87

5. Berlin, Germany, and Monaco, Monte Carlo | $6.82

6. London, U.K. | $6.60

7. Rome, Italy | $6.44

8. Paris, France | $6.04

9. Sao Paulo, Brazil | $5.69

10. Seoul, Korea | $5.55

11. Tokyo, Japan | $5.40

12. Singapore, Singapore | $4.81

13. Nairobi, Kenya | $4.31

14. Mumbai, India | $4.25

15. Santiago, Chile | $4.18

16. Johannesburg, South Africa | $4.05

17. Sydney, Australia | $3.84

18. Toronto, Canada | $3.81

19. Beijing, China | $3.71

20. Bangkok, Thailand | $3.64

21. Buenos Aires, Argentina | $3.58

22. Havana, Cuba | $3.64

23. Karachi, Pakistan | $3.02

24. New York, U.S. | $2.85

25. Moscow, Russia | $2.80

26. Mexico City, Mexico | $2.45

27. Lagos, Nigeria $1.62

28. Dubai City, United Arab Emirates $1.57

29. Cairo, Egypt | $1.17

30. Kuwait, City, Kuwait | 85 cents

31. Riyadh, Saudi Arabia | 45 cents

32. Tehran, Iran | 32 cents

33. Caracas, Venezuela | 6 cents

See full article from DailyFinance: http://srph.it/b57nJl

?? I don't get why you quoted me and put up the list.

All well and good but I really can't wait for the whole darn thing to be deregulated and put in private hands with different companies fighting for costumers (same with the petroleum sector too).

Ikengawo:
those people should realize their role models are paid faces. they are paid to put their face on things.
from omo soap to politics. All they do is collect money to support things.
you really think Oliver De Coque was so in love with Glo phones he made a song about it? no.
at the same time you think Tiger woods sends pictures to Wheaties cause he supports their cereal with such passion?


no seriously? this is called the modern world, stop being naive.

Very poor analogies. This is politics and not selling omo. We are talking of alleged "support" of a presidential aspirant (who is even yet to declare I might add). If the support of so called 'role models' can be bought for the highest price, then of what real value and credibility is their 'support' or face to the Nigerian people especially when you consider what is at stake?

netotse:
not true. . .can you prove it?

It is not a matter of proving it, the infrastructure simply isn't in place and the little that is on ground is quite old.

xterra2:
Yes i know that the current grid cant transmit the 7000MW am saying that do we even have the 7000MW  
And the article said the super grid would bring about/generate the 7000MW
Please re-read my initial post

I repeat, the article was about transmission. Must it be one or the other? Can't we be building power plants and also working on a grid that can effectively distribute the power? The question you should be asking is whether any power plants are being built, a question which can be answered by simple research (short answer is yes - do the research yourself).

xterra2:
But i damn hope we would be getting the 7000MW by april
Well i never knew the meaning of the "super grid" untill now and it means that from nowhere 7000 would arrive "super" magically i didnt see any promise of building a new power plant in the article above
Again,where are we getting this power from to be honest i dont see how this super grid would generate power
That is what  the grid is gonna go not generate it would transmit and i didnt see any generating 7000MW
I have nothing else to say again

If you are going to argue can you at least try and be cohherrent at least. The article is not focusing on generation but transmission, so why express shock that it actually talks about power transmission projects and not power generation projects? Also, if we magically get 10,000MW tomorrow, do you think you will see improved light? The grid at the moment is not even distributing the measly power we generate at full capacity and is also grossly inefficient, so what are you talking about please? Must we always criticise just for the sake of it?

tpiah:
please reread through your post and get the contradictions there.


i wonder if you'll also support the man who went into ibadan zoo to preach to a hungry lion?

What an irony. You really do not see that you are actually eroding your arguments and solidifying mine by comparing the people who beat her up to the lion in the zoo? Did not say what she did was smart but the response should definitely be condemned. I can't even believe we are having the argument. She could not be shown the way out? Why did they have to beat her up? What was it exactly that she said for crying out loud? For how long are we going to continue justifying this culture of 'beat up or kill anyone who does not agree with me' that seems prevalent in a particular group? If people want to even begin to use "provocation" as an excuse then we must be told what she said, not some lame crap like 'she insulted us', especially when people you read stories like a teacher being killed in the north for touching throwing a bag to the floor that contained a koran. This is simply ridiculous. What was the "provocation"?

OAM4J:
Exactly.

But the Muslims also need to learn the word tolerant, moderation and peace. You cannot tell me Islam is a religion of peace and at every little provocation Muslims are ready for violence. There are better ways of handling issues like this without violence.

Giyaz:
It is surprising to read the responses of some of the NLers here. Irrespective of the protests by the Muslims or their demand for her to be expelled from UI, the lady action must be totally condemned by all. Some are even inferring that the Muslim students are calling for her murder! I don't think this is correct.
Isn't it in her best interest to be expelled (or she voluntarily leave for another institution after surviving her suicide act?
Can anyone guarantee her security if she should be allowed to continue in the same institution?
If the reverse was to be the case, the christian reaction will be the same if not worse. So, those of you trying to defend indefensible should stop acting like "holier than thou".

Have you got any examples of someone going into a church and preaching something else being beaten up to such an extent? If not please spare us the rubbish. And why must you bring church inside this one? Was the story about church? Is it insecurity or what? Whether it was done in church, or mosque, or wherever, they had no right to beat her up especially given that they can't even repeat what is was she apparently 'preached'. Let us be bold enough to speak the truth for once instead of hiding under political correctness. The intolerance shown in the story is not new. Remember the teddy bear named mohammed and the teacher that was almost killed? Numerous incidents of people almost being and being killed for 'defiling' the koran? Defending such rubbish is simply inhumane, I repeat inhumane, and what is more shocking than the story is responses like yours.

[quote author=Aloy+Emeka link=topic=498817.msg6590661#msg6590661 date=1282091599]Nuhu Ribadu Refutes Pastor Bakare’s Sermon Claims
Posted: August 15, 2010 - 19:46
https://www.saharareporters.com/sites/default/files/page_images/press_releases/2010/ribadu_exec.jpg?1281897949
Nuhu Ribadu
By Chido Onumah
Mr. Nuhu Ribadu’s attention has been drawn to claims in the Sunday (August 15, 2010) sermon of respected preacher, Pastor Tunde Bakare, to the effect that Mr. Ribadu desires to hijack the Save Nigeria Group (SNG) for the purpose of his political ambition.

Mr. Ribadu strongly refutes this claim and affirms that he has the highest regard for Pastor Bakare and for his patriotic vision espoused through the SNG.

Mr. Ribadu salutes the unquantifiable sacrifice, energy, and resources many Nigerians have invested in building the SNG, and he hopes it will continue to grow in strength to become a major movement that will deepen our democracy and national development.

“I am convinced that Pastor Bakare came to his conclusion on a mistaken brief, and I look forward to meeting him soon to assure him that nothing like that ever, or could ever happen, because of the kind of person I am and the philosophy that guides my pubic conduct”.

No one can deny the role SNG played and continues to play as our country tries to chart a path to greatness 50 years after independence. The SNG has become a mass movement of patriotic Nigerians from different walks of life and political persuasion whose common vision is a new and better Nigeria. It would not only be presumptuous but tragic for any individual to think he or she can “hijack” such a people-oriented organisation.

http://www.saharareporters.com/press-release/nuhu-ribadu-refutes-pastor-bakare%E2%80%99s-sermon-claims[/quote]Chei sahara, una no get editor?

On a mroe serious note does Ribadu have any intention to run for any public office or not? Isn't there a deadline for the declaration of these things? Candidates need time to be grilled and their positions and manifestoes scrutinised, this late declarations is not good for our democracy. Who are the presidential candidates for the other parties?

[quote author=jas_o link=topic=498885.msg6592892#msg6592892 date=1282131029]@ All
We have the last chance to deliver this country from perpetual boudage by voting one of most outstanding credible persons in Nigeria to pillot the ship of this country into a competative nation among others.
All the old veteran pressently handling this nation affair are going senile with outdated and criminal minds, don't be deceive, it's only when everyone of them are imprison this country will beging move forward. how can this be realise is by voting this credible man (Ribadu) as president. i've listen to many of his interview when he was leading EFCC he promised no stone ontouch and i belive in this sentiment the greatest icon of blesessed memory Gani fawehinmi share before suporting him, give him the support he will deliver us from internal slavery perpetual poverty and inhuman treatment by those crooks. Let do it again we did it for MKO and we can still do it, the country is ours and should be given all it requires by well meaning NIGERIANS to lift it up, deliver from been wost beyond control, ![/quote]Has he done any campaigning? Has he even declared? Do people believe they can win elections by simply 'thinking of' contesting? The mind really does boggle. We are less than six months to an election.

Has he publicly declared his intention to run? I just don't know what is wrong with Nigeria, less than six months to a presidential election and we only know of about three or two people who are seriously campaigning and they are from the same party. What are other candidates doing? They will declare 3 days to election and expect to win or else say they lost because of rigging? What kind of stupidity is this?

Solomon227:
U still dont get it. Ask OBJ what he did in 8 years he will come with a list 10 times your own and we are all living witness to how beter we fair during and after OBJ, according to your low standar IBB is a performer by stealing billions and giving peanuts to frends and cronies, anyway we are not voting the only place we want him to be is Kirikiri and so shall it be

That is the thing, these lists are not that difficult to compile and unfortunately many would fall for it thinking it reads as a list of sucessful achievements, just ask Peter Odilli. Peter Odilli was probably the worst governor Rivers State ever saw, yet he had a long list of achievemtns made up of mundane trite displayed as achievements for Nigerians to read. He was corrupt, pretty much ran down his state, indicted by EFCC of stealing 100billion naira (and that is only the one Nigerians know of) etc, but hey, he did win some 'best governor' award in the country so it just goes to show that people can fall for anything.

youngmonie:
The establishment of new Universities and Polytechnics.
The movement of Federal Capital from Lagos to Abuja.
.The reorganization of the Nigeria Police into seven Zonal Operation Areas.
The unemployment grant to States for agricultural programmes and vocational skills.
.Establishment of Mass Mobilization for Self-Reliance Social Justice and Economic Recovery (MAMSER).
A 46-member Panel to review the 1979 Constitution. .The creation of Akwa Ibom, Katsina, Abia, Anambra, Delta, Jigawa, Kebbi, Kogi, Osun, Yobe and Taraba States and over 136 new Local Government Areas with take off grants.
Direct funding of Local Government Areas from the Federal Government to make them autonomous.
National Agricultural Land Development Authority (NALDA).
. National Orientation Agency (NOA) formerly known as the ‘‘Mass Mobilization for Self-Reliance Social Justice and Economic Recovery’’ (MAMSER).
. National Directorate of Employment (NDE).
Federal Environment Protection Agency (FEPA).
. Lagos Third Mainland Bridge.
. Federal Urban Mass Transit programme. . The 1991 National Population Census (NPC).
. National Women Commission. . The Directorate of Food, Roads and Rural Infrastructure (DIFRRI).
. Federal Road Safety Corps (FRSC).
. National Health Insurance Scheme (NHIS).
. National Housing Fund.
. Commission of the Onne Fertilizer Plant in Rivers State.
. The 260 million dollars Petrol Chemical Plant in Kaduna.
.  NNPC Escravos- Lagos Gas Pipeline at Egbin,
. National Electoral Commission (. Elesa Eleme Refinery in River State.
Children Trust Fund.
. Resumed diplomatic relations with Israel
Central Bank Autonomy Decree, . Others were: NAFDAC; Ecomog; Reduction of import duties on newsprint, etc. I

This may not make sense to u , buh take a look at how this country is now compareds to what it was den,  Ibbs regime was far better than dat of objs regimee, we din have all dis 9je delta issues,  standard of living was much better den than now

Sorry but a lot of the items on your list are quite predictable and I expected it, I mean, when did creation of more states (many which can't even support themselves) become an achievement? Why was the federal capital moved to Abuja (don't play naive)? MAMSER/NOA, NDE, FREC, NHIS, NHF, please what have their achievements been? Is creation of government agencies (and more bureaucracy) now the benchmark of effective leadership? Is this not the same IBB that is apparently now talking about the need for small government? The same man that seems to be trying to distance himself from what you espouse as his achievements?

I would like you to put things in context instead of trying to rewrite the babangida era. Babangida ruled for eight solid years in a military regime. During this time he didn't really have to deal with the slow processes and procedures that have become synonymous with presidential democracies, what he said pretty much went, hence putting him in a better position to actually bring about real changes in Nigeria IF he wanted to. What happened instead? He kept putting off handing over and eventually led us to Abacha. Of course life in the IBB years might seem better when you compare it to now considering there was some order before he entered accelerated the downward spiral of the country. Why don't you make a more useful comparison and tell us how life was before IBB entered and how it was after he left? How was the economy? We keep shouting corruption this corruption that, which regime turned 'chop I chop' into a political culture? People might argue that the Buhari regime was strict but compare the order during that era and what was obtainable during the IBB regime. What about education? IBB is not the only President to build Universities and polytechnics but why don't we again make more substantial comparisons with regards to education during the IBB regime when I might add Universities were shut for months? Is education to you simply building of new schools buildings? This whole culture of ASUU going on strike, please what era did it really start? SAP, what benefit did it bring to the economy? I could go on but it would be pointless because I believe you know all of the issues but just chose to go on some campaign website and copy and paste, thinking I would be intimidated by all those abbreviations for defunct and failed government agencies which during his tenure were a means of siphoning money.

youngmonie:
I again feel most people have a biased mind or idea of this man based on what we hear from the media, I also feel most people on this Nl were not even born or understand the Highlights of the IBB regime. People need to listen to this guy what he has to offer if he wins thoo (I feel young people should get to know more and learn more bout the IBB regime before we pass opinon

Please what were the highlights of the IBB regime, please educate us. What was the economy like before IBB and what was it like after IBB? The irony of your post is amusing. You want to compare IBB with Abacha as a means of making IBB look good while conveniently ignoring that IBB pretty much paved the way for Abacha. Ignore all those though, please just educate and enlighten us, what are these glorious IBB amchievements, let me use them to sleep well this night. List concrete achievements please, not more hogwash.

youngmonie:
I jus want to ask a questionn, was dat all IBB did in his 8 yrs of government?? If u sai yes, u have a biased mind or u dnt evn kno wht your talking bout or your jus talking out of mare  same old things if u sai no, we wud like to know more

Why don't you spare us the rant and list some of the IBB achievements you want us to focus on instead? Let us forget Structural Adjustment programme, or the death of industrialisation in Nigeria during his tenure, or the continuous shifting of goal post and handover dates and all the things that earned him the name 'maradona', why don't you lavish us with his achievments? We curiously await. . .

afam4eva:
Ikwerres form the majority in rivers state and then you have other Igbo sub-groups which are usually categorized along with the Ikwerres as Igbos. The only somewhat relevant group there are the Ogonis.

I won't get into an arguement over this (because I know which direction it will go) but there are much more than Ikwerres and Ikwerre subgroups in Rivers State, just do basic research and you would see how amusing that statement sounds.

9jaganja:
I was at the water front area of Port Harcourt in my last visit to Nigeria.It was a perfect spot for sensimina but to be honest if those people are not properly settled in a different and descent environment, destitution will destroy Port Harcourt. I saw gun toting gang bangers all extorting money from people just chilling around the area but don't live there. I think the governor of the state should arrange a settlement for the people before just destroying their shelter. But I gotta say the people there are living on the edge of the world waiting for a last push to fall and raise hell. Don't provoke the extreme!!! They are using government to claim territory and this is wrong in all codes.

This is why I say Nigerian government is on most front one of the worst in the world. There has to be a provision for settlers' relation with natives else we will commit a cultural genocide. Nigerian lands are not owned by the federal government, they are owned by the people of the state/people of the towns and villages. If we keep saying we are all Nigerians and anyone has right to be native in any part of Nigeria, we will commit a cultural genocide and cause a cultural conflict. Ikwerre people have majority land in Port Harcourt according to what I figured in my numerous visits to Port Harcourt but they don't own all of the land. Being majority in a land doesn't make the minority obsolete. If you treat them as being obsolete because of you are a majority, you will cause an uprising.

Are there no social philosophers in Nigeria? Is this country that silly? We are not one in Nigeria, we are 253 and every member ought to be heard and respected culturally and territorially. If a bunch of settlers settle in your village and refuse to play by your cultural norms, then they have the right to leave and have denied themselves the right to stay. You can't impose yourself on indigenes of a land as a stranger. If you buy land from them, you are only renting it; the land belong to the natives of the land and as long as you assimilate with their culture and don't try to impose your views on them, you can stay forever and establish as part of them. That's how to keep each member of this fake union happy.


I hope the naive ogre Jonathan reads this next time he wants to post about settler/native relation in Nigeria on facebook.


NATIONAL REFERENDUM NOW OR NIGERIA NEVER!!!! WE ARE ON THE BRINK OF A SERIOUS CIVIL UPRISING!!!!!

Enlightened post. Rivers state is more diverse than you might think though so I don't think it is as easy as saying 'majority of the land is Ikwerre'. I agree with your last paragraph though. Nigeria is simply not one ethnic group and we should stop supporting government sanctioned ethnic chauvinism, we should see our diversity as part of our richness and strength. Let every group be respected and heard and let no one walk over the other, simple as that. At the end of the day we need a more united Southern Nigeria (middle belt included).

[quote author=Sharon_f link=topic=498419.msg6587605#msg6587605 date=1282057603]The girl should be expelled. It was simply an unnecessary action.
As she entered the mosque, looked around, stood up and started shouting what did she expect? A hug?[/quote]And hence her beating was justified? Are you actually listening to yourself? Why don't we stop fabricating stories and actually ask to know what she actually said to begin with? What did she say? And her speech (whatever it contained) meant she deserved a beating? Her assaulters are the ones that should be going to jail, gosh such intolerance and sanctioned violence, so ridiculous. What won't we hear? Teacher named teddy bear mohammed and they wanted to kill her, lady touches koran and they wanted to kill her, someone drew cartoon and they wanted to kill him, where does it stop?

[quote author=paddy_lo link=topic=498116.msg6587231#msg6587231 date=1282054387]Actually if u get my drift i am not suggesting a one party state

cause for the PDP to keep drafting the best from other parties means those parties must exist also

I am kinda proposing to the PDP a way to reform itself

No matter how u look at it AC,ANPP or APGA will never win nationwide elections in Nigeria

so the dominant party has to be reformed from within and without. . .

tell me that u wont vote for ribadu in 2015 if PDP drafts him?

thats what am talking about[/quote]Don't try to assume what I would or wouldn't do. If Ribadu was drafted by the AC or the ANPP, or the AGPA or whatever party, and I felt he was the right candidate then I would vote for him. PDP is not the only party in Nigeria and given its very poor record and apparent disdain for the people, I think the people should do more to encourage credible opposition.

desgiezd:
Shouldn't we rather concentrate on the offender instead of  the offended? I am not saying the student should be expelled from the school or arraigned in a court, but we should do more of e-punching the lady offender instead of making the muslims look guilty as many of us are doing now.

Are you freaking kidding me? This whole idea of trying to kill or beat up anyone who does not agree with you should not be defended. A bunch of men ganged up on a lone woman and beat her up, how courageous. Gosh. They could not ask her to leave? They could not even kick her out of the place? Very kaitaish behaviour indeed.

[quote author=paddy_lo link=topic=498116.msg6587130#msg6587130 date=1282053550]where is that so-called credible opposition today?. . is it the clueless ANPP the clannish APGA,or the rogue AC led by tinubu(ex fashola who is just a model human being who happens to be in AC)

my reasoning is simple. . Nigeria is too diverse to be having all these regional parties

i only said the PDP as a matter of principle should try and co-opt the best from other parties into it. . .

whats the difference btw political parties in Nigeria anyway?. .

theres no ideological difference.  . .

If fashola is in the PDP and doing well. . it bodes well for the PDP and Nigeria
there will be no need to rig elections,as the person performing will surely be re-elected

thats just my point[/quote]Sorry but I think the fact that there doesn't seem any credible and powerful opposition at the moment is not justification for resigning ourselves to a single party federation; I think it is a pretty weak and lame arguement to be honest. Once again we are comfortable with choosing the lesser of two evils instead of advocating a way to actually get a better situation.

[quote author=paddy_lo link=topic=498116.msg6586928#msg6586928 date=1282051773]Theres nothing wrong with a one party state with vision like china. . .singapore. . even South Africa

The key is for PDP to co-opt the best from all other parties into it. . . .

whats wrong with ribadu,el-rufai,Fashola and co being co-opted into the PDP. .

u do know that once Jonathan wins in 2011. . the time of old fools like IBB,BUHARI,ATIKU will be over

so the young ones like ribadu will have to step up in 2015. . .well PDP is the best platform for that[/quote]YIKES!!! I can't believe anybody would want Nigeria to become a one party state while comfortably hoping that the party would be able to "reform" itself. We need a government that would actually be forced to address the people and their needs by subjecting themselves to the polls with credible opposition in order to enhance the democratic process and make the people heard. I can see a possibly unecessary arguement coming

[quote author=na_so link=topic=498418.msg6586825#msg6586825 date=1282050810]Seeeking whose votes? oh you believe if IBB has the option to rig, he will not do so? besides who told you he doesnt have that planned too? And what is IBB saying that we dont already know?

Many other aspirants within the PDP know that if Jonathan throws his hat in the ring, then they stand no chance. IBB on the other hand believes the zoning theory and his miilitary connections place him well to challenge Jonathan.

BTW Shekarau is talking and Buhari too is doing same, yes maybe IBB is more visible as only a fraction of his loot will give him the visibility he needs through a corrupted media. Others dont have his kind of money to do that. When GEJ declares we will then see the picture clearer.

I would rather vote for someone whose name is not even on the ballot paper than consider an IBB (even if he talks from now till eternity) who will finally nail the   coffin of this country.[/quote]As normal with nairaland you are more concerned about making a point than reading what is being posted. These so called progressives that love the people so much and want to save the country from the precipice, where are they? Where are these lone warriors calling out to the people in the desert? The opposition that would save us all from the wretched hands of the PDP where are they? We are less than six months away from an election and you are talking about wiaiting for candidates to declare their intention? Why mention Jonathan? Is PDP the only party in Nigeria? Where are all the so called progressives and why are they not working to get the votes of the people? I repeat, at this rate if no one actually bothers to try to woo the people and only IBB does so, then who gives any one the 'moral right' to condemn anybody who chooses to vote for IBB? What nonsense. Where is everybody? Apart from IBB and Donald Duke who else is campaigning for votes and attempting a dialogue with the people? Who are the AC presidential apirants? ANPP nko? what about the other parties? So please read before you respond and spare me the unecessary rant

Fhemmmy:
Do Nigerian aspirants ever worry about the vote?

That is not the point. Put the normal Nigerian scepticism and cynicism aside for a moment and read the post again.