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centje: Nice write up. Am nt a musilm,i dnt know much about islam,but i like your civility. You focused on bringing out the good aspect of religion and not comparing it to other religion. That is commendable.
Pls can you throw more light on the aspect that said...'to prevent men from raising kids that are not theirs'
Thanks!

when a child results from an adulterous alliance, the mother is obvious but the father will be unknown in most cases due to the secret nature of such alliances. such a child may then be raised by the real husband of the female adulterer, and may actually go on to inherit from him. these things really happen.

@ tbaba. impressive, pleasantly surprised. nice to know about Muslims from edo state without being Auchi. and you make look like polygamy should be avoided at all costs; personal conviction or global economic recession?

thanks deols, hope u,re good. cheers.

https://www.nairaland.com/17665/muslims-whats-favorite-ayah-surah

this is it mac, i think it will help in reminding about the Koran. thanks

tbaba1234: Three Issues, I don't know if they have been addressed already...

i. Traditional practices in Marriages ,

I am not a yoruba person but i do see myself possibly getting married to one. During their traditional weddings, I see the men have to lie down flat with their heads on the ground...

Personally, I can not put my head on the floor for any man because that is only reserved for Allah... It is Islamically wrong as well.. Ca one get out of this kind of tradition without being seen as rude or disrespectful.

Salam alaykum, Tbaba, how now? I've quite missed on this thread. really surprised about you not being Yoruba, and you not being married. I assumed you were married with children. so is it another marriage or your first? if you're single, then you must be the most serious single man I know. can i guess: are you from Auchi, or you are a northerner then?

as for this issue of prostrating. you need to be Yoruba to understand. you only have this dilemma at your nikkah, but we live with it everyday. prostrating is so ingrained into our culture that if you try to even stiffen a little when greeting the elders, they would be looking at you funny, before calling your parents aside. sometimes I wonder how our people have been able to separate their religion from their actual practices so much. now that you have thought about if before hand, you should be home and dry without prostration on dat day.

maclatunji: ^Did you write this?

yes I did mac. How have u been? been unable to make it to NL regularly lately due to broadband, and other issues.
pls, can u kindly make the thread about favourite Koran verses a sticky?
ma salaam.

ASalaam Alaykum everyone, It is obvious in this day and age the pitiable condition of the global Muslim nation, but condition is temporary while character endures.

We are in a state of weakness being poor, disorganized, dissenting on ethnic and political differences.

Portrayed by the media as violent suicide bombers, fundamentalists, extremists, and other such labels.

But know O Muslim, that though Muslims may waver, Islam is constant.

And you should be proud of your religion and hold on tightly to it, and do not be ignorant of its sterling merits. So I would like to share with you a few reasons why you should be proud of your religion, to remind you lest you forget.


1.The Koran:

your religion is based on the Koran, not on someone’s random idea, or innovation.
The Koran:
a book about which there is no doubt.

a book that has not been revised since its completion (every Koran is the same to the last letter in plain Arabic; interpretations may however differ)

a book memorised in its entirety by thousands of adherents spread throughout the world from Asia to Africa.

a book containing scientific facts which have only become known to mankind more than a thousand years after its revelation; such as: the forms of the human fetus within the womb, plate tectonics showing how mountains help to stabilize the earth’s surface, how heavenly bodies float in an orbit.

a book in Arabic which is an unparalleled work of literature revealed to an illiterate Arab trader renowned for his integrity,

a book challenging every intelligent person to contemplate on its contents.

The Koran, a miracle plain!!!


2.Unity

your religion is based on the plain unity of the creative force all around us.
The harmonious interplay of all the elements and forces surrounding us make it clear that they are all from a Single Source. The sun, moon, and stars, the day and night, the seasons, the tides of the ocean, the planets in orbit, gravity, electricity, magnetism, the way the species merge into each other, the natural balance of the ecosystem; all pointing to ONE deliberate origin, not an accidental origin hence consisting of several other accidents and not multiple origins with resultant cataclysmic conflicts.

3.Simplicity

your religion is relatively simple.
Worship your Lord who ALONE created yourselves and the many wonders you see around you; in gratitude, fear, and hope. And this is your primary purpose in the test that this life is.
You don’t have to be a nuclear physicist or molecular biologist to understand this, nor do you need to have any extra terrestrial experience. The truth of your religion is plain and accessible to the average human.

4.Peace

no matter what propaganda popular media is promoting, regardless of the mindless violence of a few misguided adherents, your religion is still a religion of peace.

Peace is a fundamental prerequisite for the progress of the species; humans being prime. But there can be no peace without justice, and there can be no justice without stipulated laws, and laws are effective only when they are enforced.

Hence your religion brought forth a set of laws(the Shariah) comprehensively covering every sphere of human existence: birth, marriage death, inheritance etc.
Laws not rigid, but open to modification by learned jurists after considering the circumstances surrounding the particular events.

So we are to enforce such laws as an eye for an eye to protect the rights of the people from being violated by the arrogant amongst them.

And we punish adultery and fornication severely without being apologetic to prevent the men from raising children who are not theirs, or the giving of the inheritance to wrongful heirs, and to prevent moral unchastity within the society bringing the people to a status lower than even beasts in honour, causing mutual distrust between spouses and eventual disruption of the family; the basic unit of society.

And we have clear laws of inheritance to prevent families from disintegrating;
indeed the worst kind of disagreement is the one between siblings or close relatives.

5.Character

your religion has placed a lot of emphasis on cultivating and maintaining an excellent standard of character, and we are not short of role models in this regard.
We have several models of humility, integrity, moral and physical courage, perseverance, foresightedness.
We are commanded on kindness to parents especially mothers who bore and raised us in hardship upon hardship. Kindness to relatives, friends, and strangers, up till kindness to animals and plants has been enjoined on us.

6.Purity

your religion emphasizes inner and outer purity.
purity of body: by stipulating cleaning before ritual worship, after relieving the self of wastes, following intimate contact between opposite sexes and following involuntary emissions from the private parts. Up till the encouraging of wearing of white garments.
purity of thoughts, words, and deeds so much so that a kind word is counted as charity.


7.Clarity

the tenets of your religion are clear. As such you find that even though there is sectarianism, the areas of conflict are minor in most cases. So the belief in ONE God, one last messenger, and one Koran; the facing of one direction for ritual worship is constant throughout the globe.


8.Growth

in spite being tagged violent, in spite of the apparent weakness and poverty in most Muslim communities, against all odds; your religion is the fastest growing religion worldwide at this very moment.

So we ask those who say Islam was spread by the sword to show us those wielding swords at this present time.
Islam spreads by the irresistible force of the truth, and no matter what the media or some historians say, Islam will spread. And it is a matter foreclosed.

For clarification, when Islam came, nations engaged in military expansion for several reasons: self defense, economic, cultural and political. The Islamic state went further and always gave the option of “submission” before waging war, and even in war, the soldiers behaved honourably sparing children, women, and religious devotees, conduct unparalleled in the history of civilizations. No scorched earth tactics, no atomic bombs, no blatant violation of treaties.


9.Mohammed

may blessings and peace be on him. And do not fail to remember O Muslims, the final prophet: exalted in this life and the next, the best of mankind, of the highest standard of character.

Kind and gentle, compassionate, courteous, strong and courageous, honest and trustworthy, forbearing and foresighted, noble, moderate, and pure.

His life history is widely available and we have in him the best example. He experienced the full range of human emotions, an orphan, a foster child, a husband, a father, a bereaved father, a spiritual, political, and military leader. Unwavering in faith and dignified in conduct in times of poverty, or wealth.
He honoured and taught us to honour the prophets before him. Forbidding injustice and loving gratitude, truth, and everything good.
Indeed the best way is the way of Mohammed; may blessings and peace be on him.


Indeed, there are too many reasons to be proud of your religion O Muslim, to hold on to it tightly, and to share it with those around you. And what a loud caller to religion is the Muslim whose excellent character shines in the dark abyss that our world is today.
Ma salaam.

@ wizeboy, welcome to the Islam section, and to this long-living thread. there have been several persons making the thread tick really, u can see posts from zayhal the experienced one, amir ul nairaland: tbaba, ibrosauks who was sincere, self effacing, and ran away in a haste, and the efficient supermod; the big mac, to see wot i mean.

Ramadan kareem to everyone in advance. will mos def peep this thread after Ramadan. signing out!

God bless u bro, looking forward to season 2 inshAllahu. Ramadan kareem in advance.

OMG, really blown away!!!
truly, the Quran is not a joke.
just one verse/example and people are going to Google in futility, and putting up silly excuses. someone even requested for a palindrome in multiple languages; how absurd. do you not know that translation of words is subjective even when meaning is retained.
what if they hear of the scientific miracles; in embryology, geology, and astronomy? what silliness will they come up with?
and all these from an illiterate Arab trader about 1500 years ago.
how perfect God is!!!

jazakAllahu khair bro, it has been an enlightening, engaging, and entertaining experience mashAllah.

surah Adiyat is one of my personal favourites. there's this aura of action and ambition about it, then it ends on a warning note. glad u touched it.

very heavy, the lessons in surah kahf mashAllah. may God help all Muslims to recognize and overcome these tests as they occur in our lives. the shaitan can be very subtle.

4 men went to moooow....

classic sir! TBABA! and what pray tell is "the sunnah of pharoah"?
really cracked me up man.

that pharoah chap, historians speculate he was Ramses II, the guy was supremely arrogant. Remember when he turned to his people and said "I am your lord, the highest". he was the prototypical narcissist, with his ambitious building projects using the Jews as slaves doing backbreaking work. he raised gigantic monuments of himself, the Arrow!
Yul Brenner got famous playing pharoah in "the 10 commandments". i still laugh when i watch that movie, with his arrogant expression and beautiful clothes.

jazakAllahu bro, there's just no answer to the quran, in spite of their own selves. God bless you

5 men went to mooooow.....

wow, i call this "the great confrontation". the pharoah harassed Musa, on whom be peace, with heavy questions. how does one reply to those questions as there was no falsehood in the accusations. my heart bleeds for Musa always at this place; you know what parents say to rebellious children; how they are rebels, disloyal, impulsive, will come to no good, and their siblings are better than them. may God have mercy on Musa.

6 men went to moooooow.....

God bless you bro, very beautiful indeed. somehow the story of Musa(peace be on him) stands out for me; how humans can't outsmart the divine plan. Firaun ended up raising in his own household the doom of his arrogant reign.
did u see "prince of Egypt" cartoon by dreamworks? very cool.

7 men went to mooooooow.

jazakAllahu khair bro, very beautiful and true indeed; how we spend our lives in entertainment and ruthless competition. Nigeria is a case in point, we love pomp and showmanship to the hilt.

you may do one more oath but hope you haven't forgotten Musa and Firaun?

welcome bro,
off to listen to surah Maryam and surah Yusuf. ma salam.

walaikum salam wa ramatullahi wa barakatuhu.
jazakAllahu khair brother. wish u a safe journey inshAllah.

to answer the 2nd question first:
I'll say Allahu Akbar! i believe this knowledge of the quran is available to only a scant number of Muslims so i feel privileged. if lectures on this topic are given to Muslims say in universities worldwide, i believe it would help in no small measure strengthen the faith of the ummah in this trying times, as well as being a dawah tool towards the sincere, objective non-muslim listener.
for question 1, no idea; but to guess, does it have something to do with being newly arrived, and being settled?

tbaba1234: ^lol, you need to get out of a christian mindset when talking to muslims...

Life is not for fun and enjoyment. Everything we go through in life is a test, Everything we have is a gift, We own nothing not even our legs... We are thankful for what we have been given, we do not despair over what has not been given to us. How you deal with life's challenges determines where and how you will spend your afterlife..

Do people think they will be left alone after saying ‘We believe’ without being put to the test? We tested those who went before them: God will certainly mark out which ones are truthful and which are lying. (surah 29:2-3)


We shall certainly test you with fear and hunger, and loss of property, lives, and crops. But [Prophet], give good news to those who are steadfast, those who say, when afflicted with a calamity, ‘We belong to God and to Him we shall return.’These will be given blessings and mercy from their Lord, and it is they who are rightly guided. (Surah 2:155-157)

There are also some who serve God with unsteady faith: if something good comes their way, they are satisfied, but if they are tested, they revert to their old ways, losing both this world and the next– that is the clearest loss (Surah 22:11)

Abu Hurayrah (RA) reported that the Prophet (SAW) said: ” Whenever a Muslim is afflicted by harm from sickness or other matters, Allah will drop his sins because of that, like a tree drops its leaves.” [Bukharee and Muslim]

God bless you brother.

BahPulo: you welcome sis. you know I really don't think love is a prerequisite to the happy ever after. I have noticed that arranged marriages tend to last longer than those based on love in the beggining only. I think in AR marriages research is done by both parties before an agreement is made while in LM the parties involve are blinded with their feelings just for them to discover that what they thougth to be enough is not anymore. I personally don't believe that a person can love another without living with that person for sometimes. like they say love may be blind but it's not stupid unless it is lol

I agree with you ma, totally. but you see the kind of movies we are bombarded with; the titanic and co, all moulding our minds into confusion. pls what is AR and LM?

BahPulo: my answer will be yes I will married such man and I did. My husband and I were childhood neighbors, we were friend very close ones and everyone around us use to tease us. while growing up I never thought he had those kind of feelings toward me cause i just loved him like a sis loves a brother. when he told me the first time on his 18 th birthday I stopped talking to him, I was furious with him that he would be so selfish to destroy the friendship we had for some 'silly' love. I cut him off i blocked his email from my contacts and refused to answer his calls. But my mother being a wise woman made me see that What I was looking for had been answered longtime ago. Any way to cut the story short a year later I accepted his offer and I must tell you there has not been a day I wondered if I made the right decision. But then even as a young girl i always thought love was overrated just my 2 cents

jazakAllahu khair, always nice to hear happy marital stories. I'm sure there's a lot to learn from your experiences. but you really scared the man. he must have been like "now I have to go and look for one stranger to marry, since I can't marry my friend".

An argument without an end, that’s what this is. Yet the answer to the question is clear once people get willing to question the basis of their beliefs.

Now a person comes here with an unwavering faith in trinity, the he learns nothing, and he leaves the thread as confused as he came.

Some joker even mentioned Muslims as being confused/deceived, how many threads have Muslims opened to discuss trinity? We simply don’t have time for such confusion!

But indeed the answer to the question is clear, and everyone who believes in a supreme being would answer it himself. For the argument’s sake I ask; which is most likely:

God being One, easy to understand even to a person of average intelligence or a child, or
God being three, with son and holy spirit; becoming three in one?

And when you say to them to think deeply, about how God is not a biological entity and does not need a son, or any other proxies, that the concept of “son of God” was already a pre-existent Roman notion before the immaculate conception of the Messiah, that the messiah prayed and fasted and said that none should call him “good”, that the messiah performed miracles ( including raising the dead ) just like other prophets before him, and that the bible can not withstand rigorous appraisal of authorship, compilation, or originality of content,

The next thing you hear is that you need the holy spirit to understand it When one was given a brain! (would we accept the script that anyone brings saying we need some spirit to understand it?)

The truth is many objectively thinking Christians doubt the absoluteness of the truths in the bible but of course the Koran is not an option, who wants to associate with poor, polygamous suicide bombers (propaganda can be really effective). Hence atheists/agnostics continue to increase in number. I dare say were Jesus(peace be on him) to descend today just as he appeared while on earth, majority of Christians would doubt or just flatly deny him,
no use posting on a thread like this.

@ Muhammad Saheed,
chei, cool down nah mallam, wetin yoruba girls do you sef? anyway, best wishes.

chei, cool down nah mallam, wetin yoruba girls do you sef? anyway, best wishes.

jazakAllahu khair,

more oaths,

other gems,

Musa and Firaun can be saved for last if u don,t mind.

Salam alaikum bxox, honest and mature post there. u obviously get the hang of it, and are starting on the right foot. u sound like u live in the west and it must be hard practicing your deen over there. the idea is balance: in your religion(spiritual affairs), mental, and physical; but with a preponderant tilt of the balance towards your deen, the others would fall into place inshAllahu. i see from your post u,re still young, may Allah AzzawaJal direct your steps.

deols, zayhal,. . . . kindly put up a post.
ma salam.

jazakAllahu khair, pls can you slow down a bit, inshAllahu this thread will continue longer than the title suggests.
can you be giving more examples e.g. 3 examples whenever possible. to start with can you give more examples of palindromes. then u can proceed with "oaths in the qur'an". ma salaam.

o platonic 'll be just fine. most people can be casual friends with just anybody, especially online. it's when things start getting deeper that we start to bring out our checklists; ticking this one, crossing that one.

sauer: Typical emofine thread.
While I don't generally subscribe to the idea of "falling in love", I believe people can get to like others based on what these others bring forward. It really doesn't matter what is brought forward. In "offline" relationships, physical attributes are brought forward. So, how good others find these physical attributes will determine then whether they'd be willing to go into a relationship. In "online" relationships, on the other hand, non-physical attributes are brought forward. Since everybody undoubtedly has an online personality, this personality makes up the person's non-physical attributes. Others might as well find these non-physical attributes good enough to want a relationship with the person.
These are the two attributes that make up a person: the physical and the non-physical. For some, there are equally important and for others, one is more important than the other.
Now, whether one finds "offline" or "online" relationships good depends on what attributes (physical or non-physical)are most valued by the judging parties. Claremont's dislike of "online" relationships is apparently rooted in his favoring of physical attributes as a start to a relationship. Whatever his claims are, they apparently don't form the general opinion nor are they exclusively valid, as pendo pointed out she is witness to at least two successful online relationships.
So, to me it simply has a lot more to do with how the person approaches human relationship. Some are much more interested in a person's personality than they are in the person's physical qualities. And the bulk of a person's personality can pretty much show online than it would offline. On another note, it's not unusual to find someone who was once heavily outgoing and in favour of good physical attributes suddenly become sober and choose to go online in search of the intangible in a partner.

emphatically seconded!

online "relationships" are here to stay and about time too. as long as our communities continue to lose their social cohesion, and tend towards individualism, relationships in cyberspace are bound to increase. some people have an office-home-office routine as soon as they leave school; how are they supposed to meet prospective partners. 21st century life is too fast paced, and going online to socialize is just simply practical.

in the past, u went to a get-together, meet a few people, then probably initiate a relationship with someone. nowadays we go to a forum and one thing leads to another.

people generally let down their guard when online, so we find that internet discourse is usually more obscene than real life banter. i dare say that due to this absence of pretense, relationships initiated online have the potential to be more fulfilling and meaningful than the other type.

as with all things with great promise, online affairs are fraught with significant risk, and much maturity and discretion is required. we humans in spite of having evolved intellectually are still very physical beings, i would not advise anyone to fall in "love" online. however the internet is a welcome place to meet someone, then arrange for a physical meeting and watch how things go from there. it is not a joke for adolescents. the link below from the guardian today may be enlightening.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2012/jun/29/love-online-dating-websites-facebook

maclatunji: May I know what has induced your mischievous smile?

smiling because maybe i,ll stop playing the shrink, maybe i won,t!!! bigmac.

ma salaam.

pls don,t stop. will still go over the last post later. the detail is giving me a slight headache.


laughing at example 3 in reactions to the Qur'an above. the man Utbah was overawed in spite of himself; he couldn,t hide his expression.

its slowly sinking, i.e. to refer to speech as magic is something strange; when we hear magic, usually we think visual effects or something felt within; pain or euphoria. see:


Surat Al-'Aĥqāf (The Wind-Curved Sandhills) - سورة الأحقاف

46:7

And when Our verses are recited to them as clear evidences, those who disbelieve say of the truth when it has come to them, "This is obvious magic."

pls don,t stop. will still go over the last post later. the detail is giving me a slight headache.


laughing at example 3 in reactions to the Qur'an above. the man Utbah was overawed in spite of himself; he couldn,t hide his expression.

its slowly sinking, i.e. to refer to speech as magic is something strange; when we hear magic, usually we think visual effects or something felt within; pain or euphoria. see:


Surat Al-'Aĥqāf (The Wind-Curved Sandhills) - سورة الأحقاف

46:7

Sahih International
And when Our verses are recited to them as clear evidences, those who disbelieve say of the truth when it has come to them, "This is obvious magic."