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Dtruthspeaker....how low have you fallen..


So sad...

MaxInDHouse:
Now you know that Òrìṣà means Idol!

No..it is the representation of the laws and principles of nature..

For the purpose of passing a message..

Bearfruit:
IF JESUS IS THESE PRESENT DAY IDOL THE WORLD WOULD HAVE BEEN A BETTER PLACE.

That's why it is bad...

God is angry with us for practicing idolatry...

MikeofAfrica:
You seems to be a better Scholar than MindHacker9009. However just like him, you don't have classified information about the Ancient Roman Empire and the formation of the Roman Catholic Church.

1.Just as your friend, MindHacker9009, you have been reading lots of folktales from history books.

Let us start from the basics. What is the meaning of the word - " Christianity". From the Oxford dictionary, Christianity is define as the religion that based on the teachings of Jesus Christ. Hence if Christianity is a religion based on the teaching of Jesus, how will it now exist before Jesus?

2.Please note that it was not the Romans that wrote the Oxford Dictionary .

In the OT, there were many prophesies about the coming of Jesus Christ. These prophesies began from the Garden of Eden where God told the Serpent that the seed of the Woman shall bruise the serpent's head.

3. T he Egyptians learnt about the coming Messiah , Jesus Christ, while the Israelists were living in their territory. Hence many years before Jesus was born, the Egyptians began using their idols to imitate the coming of the messaih.

4. ISIS was a goddess of ancient Egypt. She then gave birth to a Son , Horus., who became a god in Eygpt. The images of Isis and her son was then the emblem of Egypt. In other words, Satan was using the Egyptians to mock the prophesy that Jesus will be born by a woman on Earth.

5. When the Romans became the World power, they created their own version of a mother goddess , Madonna, carrying her child. In neighbouring Ephesus, Madonna was known as Diana and her child as Zeus ( Acts of Apostle 19: 24-41).

6. All these happened before the birth of Jesus Christ. The Romans knew about the coming of Jesus Christ but they thought he will come through a Royal family. Hence they could not identify Jesus while He was on Earth. However after the death of Jesus Christ, the exploits of His disciples and the spread of Christianity made them have a rethink.

7.They decided that since they cannot eradicate Christianity, they can merge their own traditional religion with Christianity to have a sole religion in Rome. This made a lot of sense since their goddess, Madonna and her son were modelled after the Mother of the Messiah and the Messiah even before they were born.

8.That is how the image of Madonna entered the Catholic Church and she became known as the Blessed Virgin Mary. Her Son, Zeus, was called Jesus Christ but he is not the original Jesus Christ that died on the Cross of Calvary.

9.Hence the Romans counterfeited Mary and Jesus Christ but did not invent them . They only invented the Blessed Virgin Mary. They used the image of the real Jesus Christ to market their goddess, Madonna, as the Mother of God and her demonic son, Zeus, as the Lord Jesus Christ.

1. Modern day definition of Christianity will tell you it is the teaching of Jesus Christ. But historically, there was no jesus. Christianity then was the worship of Serapis Christus. He was a deity created by Ptolemy the first In Egypt. This was around 430BCE. The leaders where called the bishop of christ..
The Jews have their national religion called Judaism. The Messiah their prophet spoke about is a normal man from the line of David...not a demi god. They don't have that ideology.
2. The prophesies about the Jewish Messiah are about a man that will be a king. The Messiah simply means anointed king. He will be a man and save the people from their enemies. He is not coming to die for sins. God already gave them the solution to the problem of sin.
3. There is no historical evidence for this exertion.
4. Lol, very funny. Egyptian had their own religion, the Jews had theirs...the Jews only worship the creator of all. They believe God is responsible for both good and evil Isaiah 45:7.
5. The Romans had their own religion too. They had their pantheon of gods too. So if they are similar it will be through the trade routes. .no Biggie here.
6. There was no jesus in judah at that time. Nobody saw or knew him. There are no eye witness account of his existence. Jesus never wrote anything down. The stories about him started popping up around 200-300 years after he is said to have lived..That is a long time.
Jesus was written into existence and forced on people, if you don't believe you are anathema (as good as dead).
7. Rome created the modern day version of Christianity. It is not derived from Judaism..

8.lol. the story of jesus and Mary is about Inanna(Lucifer) and her beloved Dimuzzi..inanna became Mary the mother of jesus...the scam is epic.

9. Christianity is a scam... research further..

The truth will set you free.

juman:
Who is the god of Jupiter?

Who is the god of Venus?

Who is the god of other celestial bodies?

Jupiter is the God of all.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2cG-5y0XM8

juman:
You don't know the meaning of orisha.
Orisha mean ori (head], sha (picked, choosen).
Persons that are special than others.
Wole soyinka is orisha.

Ok...

Thank you.

Christianity is not derived from Judaism..

The Jews don't have the idea of God mating with human, it is a greeco/Roman ideology. I guess you have watched clash of the titans, where Perseus is the son of Zeus and a human...same as jesus...

In his book "Against the Galileans" by emperor Julian, he had this to say
" It is, I think, expedient to set forth to all mankind the reasons by which I was convinced that the fabrication of the Galilaeans is a fiction of men composed by wickedness. Though it has in it nothing divine, by making full use of that part of the soul which loves fable and is childish and foolish, it has induced men to believe that the monstrous tale is truth.
Justin martyr a renowned church father has been this to say also..

"And when we say also that the Word, who is the first-birth of God, was produced without sexual union, and that He, Jesus Christ, our Teacher, was crucified and died, and rose again, and ascended into heaven, we propound nothing different from what you believe regarding those whom you esteem sons of Jupiter. For you know how many sons your esteemed

MikeofAfrica:
The word " Hail" means Salute or Greetings. These are terminologies that Angels use to approach people whom God has sent them to. If the person is a soldier, the Angel will use words like " Mighty man of Valour" ( Judges 6:12).

Long before Mary was born, Prophetess Deborah prophesied that Jael shall be the Most Blessed of all Women on Earth ( Judges 5:24). In other words, " Most Blessed among Women " is not exclusive to Mary. Many women who impressed God during their time on Earth were also refered to as most blessed among women.

Hence anyone using Luke 1:28 as a basis for the veneration of Mary is clutching at straws.

The Roman Catholic Church believes that Mary remained a Virgin till death. Hence they refers to her as the Blessed Virgin Mary. However the Bible confided in us that Joseph did not have sex with Mary UNTIL she gave birth to Jesus Christ ( Matthew 1: 25). This means that Joseph began sleeping with Mary after the birth of Jesus.

In other words, the New Testament debunked the teachings and doctrines of the Catholic Church. Yet you want me to believe that the same Catholic Church wrote the New testament. Is that not insane!

I believe in the true God of the Old Testament. That is the reason I highlighted where in the Old testament, Isaiah prophesied about the birth of a child that will be the Almighty God, Everlasting father, Prince of Peace.

You claimed this Child is not Jesus Christ but failed to confide in me the true identity of the child. Once we can agree on the identity of this child, the issue if whether Jesus exist or not will be resolve.

The videos that you posted are nothing when compared with the classified informations that I have about the origin of Christianity in the Ancient Roman Empire.

Nobody invented Jesus. The Romans only invented the Blessed Virgin Mary as a brand to market their goddess, Madonna, to the World. Madonna is the female goddess known as the Queen of Heaven in the Bible( Jeremiah 44:15-30). They then carried the beautiful images of Madonna into the Catholic Church and deceived the church members that she is Mary, the mother of Jesus Christ.

Hence the Romans used a genuine product( Jesus Christ) to market a fake product (Madonna) to the World. That is the strategy fraudsters are still using till today.

I sympathize with people like you who got confused with the machinations of the Romans hence believing they also invented Jesus Christ.

Christianity existed before the new testament came to be.
Christianity started as the worship of Serapis Christus...which originated in Egypt. The Greek speaking Egyptian worship Serapis while the regular Egyptian worshipped the father as Osiris and the son as Horus and the mother as Isis. This cult spread to the Roman empire and found its way to Rome. Which had its own cult of Mithras. When Constantine became emperor,he wanted a single religion for his empire and summoned all the presbyters to Nicea. After much argument and deliberations they put forward Mithraism and Christianity. They voted to go with Christianity and formulated the first creed...as more and more pagans started to be coerced into the religion they also brought with it their beliefs...and it was necessary to hold councils in other to define dogmas and doctrines.
Serapis became jesus at the council of Ephasius in 430AD. Up until that time the Christ was Serapis. you can read up about all the ecumenical councils in history. The last one being the 2nd Vatican council in 1963....

So my dear there is nothing divine about your god man story. It's got nothing to do with the God of the Jews ...

MikeofAfrica:
You are still not hitting the nails of the four questions.

1. Who is the Child prophesied by Prophet Isaiah in Isaiah 9: 6-7. The identity of that child refered to as the " Almighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace " will assist us to know if Jesus Christ exist or not.

If you cannot unveil the identity of that child then it means your sect has no moral ground to counter those who believe that Child is Jesus Christ.
Hence all your arguments have been defeated.

2. Whenever a member of the Roman Catholic church wants to defend the veneration of Mary, he will likely to quote Luke 1:28.
Hence I was not surprise that you mentioned it. The Greeting of Angel Gabriel is the traditional greetings of God's Angels when they are on a mission to deliver a message to someone.
In Judges 6: 12, an Angel greeted Gideon as a mighty man of valour before delivering a message to him.
In Luke 1: 28, Angel Gabriel greeted Mary as highly favoured. The Angel did not call Mary the Queen of Heaven . The Angel did not ask the world to honour and render prayers to Mary.

Hence using Luke 1:28 as the basis for the veneration of the Blessed Virgin Mary is clutching at straws.

If someone gives you the privilege of writing a book to convince the world that you are an important personality and all you could write about yourself was how an angel greeted you then it shows you do not even believe that you are a VIP.

The Romans are not stupid. If they have the opportunity to write the Bible as you claim, they will devout at least five books in the Bible to convince us why the veneration of Blessed Virgin Mary is necessary for all Christian.

They will delect all Bible verses that is against the Veneration of Mary such as Luke 11: 27- 28, Mark 3: 32-35, Jeremiah 44: 15-30 etc

They will then use at least one book in the Bible to teach us the praying of the Rosary.

That is what I mean by the signature of the Catholic Church. The signature is missing in the Bible. The Romans cannot alter and write the Bible without signing their signature on it to making it a Roman Project.

I can assure you that if the Romans have the opportunity to alter and write the Bible, no other Church on Earth will be able to use the Bible except the Catholic Church because it will be a complete Roman project.

3. Your sect have so much information about how the Romans invented Jesus Christ but you believe the Arabs are illeterates that can't access these informations hence they are presently relying on what the Romans told their ancestors thousands of years ago.

This is one of the most useless comment that I have seen recently. Do you know that the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia can buy the present Roman Empire hence even the official of the Italian government can leak their biggest secret to Saudi Arabia.

Do you know how many intelligent agencies that are working for the Government of Saudi Arabia and the Islamic Caliphate in Mecca.

Do you know how desperate these agencies are working to get vital informations that will ridicule Christianity? Assuming you have vital informations that can prove Jesus Christ was invented by the Romans, I would have link you to Saudi Arabia and you will become a dollar millionaire before the New Year.

However all you have been using to back your claims are folktales from historical books that are inferior to the Bible and Quran. This shows that you have no concrete point and envidence.

Isaiah 9:6 is in the past tense..

The child has already been born...
In fact he was 6 years old when Isaiah was prophesying.
The child in question is future king Hezekiah...

juman:
Okay.
They are orishas.
Awolowo is also orisha.

I don't know about that...

juman:
Sango, ogun, jesus, oya etc.

Sango, Ogun and oya are orishas..

Jesus is the only idol...

MaxInDHouse:
You explained but failed to present examples!

You can't expect others to hold onto what you fabricated in your head when you can't show them the practical application of what you're saying.

I present to you the worshipers of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob today as prophesied in the Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4 and repeated at Micah 4:1-3

"Jehovah's Witnesses"

Now present the modern day worshipers of the God you're talking about and back your opinion with the scripture!

A group that disobeys the commandments of God or the one that upholds it...

Your problem is that you are obsessed with being in a cult...a cult that places it's laws and doctrines above the laws of God. ..you have failed already.

DSC7:
In spiritual realm after God na Devil.....


Though God is the greatest and all powers belongs to Him ...

Lol..very funny.

All power belongs to God. ..

Whatever power the devil has is given to him by God. So that the devil can accomplish the will of God...the devil is God's son. He can not go against the will of God his father..... spiritually it is impossible.....

DSC7:
Thou shall not worship any other god(idols) aside me says the Lord God of Host...



Life na 2, it's either you follow God or you follow devil but i advice you to follow God...

Devil is not an equal opposite of God..

It is insult to think so...


All power belongs to God...
The devil is a nonentity ...

MaxInDHouse:
Of course Jesus could become an idol for those WORSHIPING him! Matthew 15:9

But Jesus himself never claimed to be a God that should be worshiped, rather his disciples saw him as the prophet who came in the manner of Moses {Deuteronomy 18:15-18; Act 3:22} Moses WAS a prophet and God {Exodus 7:1} just as Jesus WAS a prophet and God! John 1:1 compare to Isaiah 9:6

I have explained all these passages for you in context. Why are you still pulling them up?

You just don't want to learn and accept the fact that you are wasting your life and resources believing a lie......

Tufiakwa

This is the new idol..

Look how carefully they avoided the first question..

Where in the old testament did God say he was sending his son as a sacrifice for sin...


If there is none, where is the foundation for the Christian faith

God was clear...

",Do not have any other God before me"...

"Do not make the image OR LIKENESS of anything in heaven or on earth, or under the waters below the earth, do not bow down to them or serve them"....

And some morooon think that worshipping a man, the likeness of what is found on earth is fashionable and acceptable.....

Well, just know your are matching line and will be addressed by the creator in due time..

France wants to throw this match away...

Them don sell the match or..why would somebody do that?

Righteousness2:
These ones are Fufilling the Endtimes Prophecies.



Young Listen! The Coming of JESUS CHRIST IS IMMINENT '
You Believe or you don't does not matter!
JESUS is Coming!

Also be reminded that the Breath in Your nostrils is not in your Power! You could be gone at any Moment. If you Depart this Earth without JESUS Christ, you are Finished! You will cry, plead and beg for a second chance but it will be Late.

Run to JESUS CHRIST, now that you can.

Well, news flash..

He never even existed.

He was written into existence by priest who where looking for ways to control people like you..

uncleck:
If Moses did not exist, do we have any evidence that Ezra existed?

Yes...he was among the elders that left the Babylonian exile.

God sent them there to learn about him(God). Because they did not know who he was as they where worshipping the Baals and Arsherahs...

It was when they where leaving he was mandated to write the Torah and take along and teach his people...

There is no such thing as death...

We are eternal beings just having a human experience...

Writers1:
Hello brothers and sisters, this is to remind us all that our Lord Jesus Christ is still coming. Don't relent, keep faith in position.

This is exactly what Paul was saying 2000+ years ago..

And we are still here ..

So does it mean you can't tell a scam when you see one?

uncleck:
Check your source again. Torah was written by Moses

Moses never existed.

Torah was written by Ezra when they left the Babylonian exile.
It is not a history textbook. It is a spiritual manual for the national religion of the Jews called Judaism..

The Torah was written by Ezra...

Both jesus and Muhammad never even existed..
The Muhammad connection to Islam started flying around 200+ years after he was thought to have lived.
For jesus is was 300+ years...

Why all the waste, when you have a brain.

Use it...

I no dey watch world cup matches again.

I go follow for livescore.com

My team's don comot finish, remaining England

HUMANIIST:
Is there any scientific proof that women were created from from men's ribs?

Noooooo

Every body came out from a woman's pussy

MaxInDHouse:
To tell people about his personal relationship with his God an old man once declared he drank tea with his God inside his bedroom!

JWs will never ever tell you that but each of us do our utmost to build a personal relationship with our God.

The only indication of that is peace among humans.

NEPA just took our light..

Please can somebody put a down payment for a roasted corn?

MaxInDHouse:
The funny about you is arguing on a book that has nothing to do with you or your generation!

The Bible was brought to me by CHRISTIANS who were sent by Jesus of Nazareth to teach me about the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

So if you're now arguing please who taught you? And who sent that person to teach you?

Lol...

This is the most idiotic response from you..

So far..

Ask me why?

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ read it again nah Jesus Isaiah 53 was talking about the same person as Isaiah 9:6!

Lol.
Isaiah 9:6 is future king Hezekiah....

53 is about a suffering servant....and he already told you who the servant is in 41:5-9...

Wake up to the truth and read in context..