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Myer:
Personified... Meaning a person.

You feel it's an insult to refer to God as a person?

Yes it is...personified means to give it human attributes...
Man has learnt to tell stories around camp fires. It does not mean the stories are real or actual. They are meant to convey a message. We are expected to learn the message they contain. The letter killeth..

Like I said , God is the universe itself, and we are part of it. Those stories where told and written to educate us on our relationship with the universe and with ourselves and our surroundings...the basic purpose is to live in peace...

Myer:
If God is a being, then he is a person.
Why are we arguing this?

Even the trinititarian doctrine is that God is 3 persons in 1.

God is the universe personified...not a being.

Trinity is an insult against the lugal dimmer ankia.

MaxInDHouse:
Please ask him of the judgment of those who refuse to worship his God?

Man has already been judged.

"From dust you were made, and to dust you shall return".

Judgment is for the living..never for the dead.
At death, our bodies return to dust and becomes one with it. While our spirit or life force returns to God who owns it and becomes one with it....

Am I clear?

I have explained it like you are a 10 year old.

If you can't understand it..then you are just a lower primate..

MaxInDHouse:
Please ask him of the judgment of those who refuse to worship his God?

Man has already been judged.

"From dust you were made, and to dust you shall return".

Judgment is for the living..never for the dead.
At death, our bodies return to dust and becomes one with it. While our spirit or life force returns to God who owns it and becomes one with it....

Am I clear?

I have explained it like you area 10 year old.

If you can't understand it..then you are just a lower primate..

Dtruthspeaker:
You know when you say this, we all consider you as that dirty madman with bushy dada hair and empty tins of milk on his neck, walking around shirtless and almost nude.

Doesn't change the fact that we are Gods image and likeness...does it?

Dtruthspeaker:
The Question is Personality. And it is proven that we are just like Him and He is just like us based on Personality, so no more issue.

We are God. We are one seeing ourselves divided, we are 2, 4 ,8........We are all suffering from the illusion of separation.

We are all God's spirit dwelling within a physical body fashioned from the DUST of the earth.. same spirit different bodies having different experiences...

Dtruthspeaker:
Did He not make us to look like Himself and resemble Him?

If we are persons is He therefore not A Person?

God is not a person. Numbers 23:19. Worshipping anything that has form is tantamount to idolatry. God is the universe itself. It is the universal consciousness personified.
We are part of God and God is part of us...

Learn, unlearn and relearn..

BluntTheApostle:
He made us look like Him, but not totally like Him, especially when Adam and Eve disobeyed Him.

Adam means man and Eve means woman. They are not proper names.
Man is made up of God's spirit +dust of the earth. So the "US" referred to in Genesis 1:26 is God and the earth.
Humans are Gods spirit dwelling within a physical body made from the DUST of the earth.when God takes his spirit humans experiences "death".

Humans where endowed with freedom of choice. Because we come fitted with a brain. Just that some people have suspended 5he use of their own to believe absurdities. Spirit don't have that luxury.they are immaterial beings.

God created everything in pairs. Up and down, light and darkness, good and evil. These are what we are expected to choose from. But spirit only does what God has created them to do.

Angels, demons, devil referes to laws and principles within the universe. 5hey are part of God. Just as humans are....

People actually perish for lack of knowledge..

FYI I worship only the creator Just the way he commanded us. Directly. "Do not have any other God before me"..

Dtruthspeaker:
Did He not make us to look like Himself and resemble Him?

If we are persons is He therefore not A Person?

Opke

Jesus is Disqualified as G-d

...And by His Own Words
In order to prove whether or not someone is qualified as G-d, we must first define the attributes of G-d. I believe regardless of what religion we are practicing, there are 4 basic characteristics of G-d. It should also be agreed upon, that if any one of these 4 characteristics are violated, or disproved, or missing, or not fulfilled, then just that one is an automatic disqualification of being G-d.

Omniscient (All Knowing)

Omnipotent (All Powerful)

Omnipresent (All Present/Everywhere)

G-d is Holy, does not lie, is not a liar
Before I get into Jesus own testimony about how he is disqualified from being G-d, in the Xtian bible, there is also a very fundamental doctrine from the written Torah, which is the ultimate authority on G-d, which also disproves Jesus being G-d. Simply, it says multiple times, Elohim (G-d) is NOT a man. Personally, I would put this point as number 4 on our list. However, only Jews would accept this as a characteristic of G-d, for obvious reasons. Although it may say it more than the times I am going to include, here are SEVERAL verses in the written Torah describing Elohim, aka G-d. Another major point, every single pronoun used to describe HaShem, the G-d of Israel, is singular...not plural.

Exodus 20:1-3 “Elohim spoke all these words, saying, 'I (HaShem), am your Elohim (G-d) Who brought you out of the land of Egypt...You shall have no other gods, but Me'”

Exodus 20:5 “I, HaShem your Elohim (G-d), am a jealous Elohim (G-d)...”

Exodus 23:25 “And you shall serve HaShem, your Elohim (G-d)...”

Numbers 23:10 “Elohim (G-d) is not a man...neither the son of man...”

Deuteronomy 4:35 “Unto you it was clearly demonstrated that HaShem, alone, is Elohim
(G-d); there is none but Him.”

Deuteronomy 4:39 “Know therefore this day and keep in mind that HaShem alone is Elohim (G-d) in heaven above and on earth below; there is no other.”

Deuteronomy 5:7 “You shall have no other gods, but Me”

Deuteronomy 6:13 “You shall fear HaShem your Elohim (G-d); and Him only shall you serve, and by His Name shall you swear.”

Deuteronomy 32:39-40 “...there is no god but Me...there is none that can deliver out of My hand.”

And HaShem also gave us warnings about false prophets to come in the future from the times before the Israelites entered into the Promised Land.

Deuteronomy 13:1-6 Be careful to observe only that which I give to you, neither add to it nor take away from it. If there appears among you a prophet or a dream-diviner and he gives you a sign or a warning saying, 'Let us follow and worship another god' whom you have not experienced, even if the sign or prophecy that he said to you comes true, do not listen to the words of that prophet or that dream-diviner. For HaShem your Elohim is testing you to see whether you really love HaShem your Elohim with all your heart and soul. FOLLOW NO ONE but HaShem your Elohim, and REVERE NONE but Him; observe His commandments ALONE, and heed ONLY His orders; WORSHIP NO ONE but Him, and cling to Him. As for that prophet or dream-diviner, he shall be put to death; for he urged disloyalty to HaShem your Elohim - Who freed you from the land of Egypt and Who redeemed you from the house of slavery - to make you stray from the path that HaShem your Elohim commanded you to follow. Thus you will throw out evil from your presence.”

Deuteronomy 18:20-22 “But any prophet who presumes to speak in My Name a prophecy that I did not command him to say, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die. And should you ask yourselves, “How can we know that the prophecy was not spoken by HaShem? If that prophet speaks in the Name of HaShem and the prophecy does not come true, that prophecy was not spoken by HaShem; that prophet has spoken it presumptuously; do not stand in fear of him.”

Now in Jesus' own words:

Not Omnipotent, All Powerful in: John 14:28 “My father is greater than I.”

Romans 8:11 “But if the Holy Spirit that raised up Jesus from the dead lives within you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Holy Spirit that lives within you.”

Galatians 1:1 “Paul, an apostle, not of men, but of Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead.”

Not Omniscient, All Knowing in Matthew 24:36 “But of that day and hour, knows no man,no, not the angels of heaven, but my father only.”

Not Omnipresent, All Present in Matthew 27:46 “My God, my God, why have you abandoned me?”
Mark 15:34 “My God, my God, why have you abandoned me?”

Jesus Lied in: Matthew 12:40 “So as Jonah was in the belly of the beast three days and three nights, so the son of man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.”

Matthew 28:1, 6 “In the end of Sabbath...he is risen” Dying on Friday and “resurrecting” on Saturday, is NOT 3 days and 3 nights.
Thus a lie; a false prophecy, a false god.

LordReed:
He outlawed divorce. So divorce was more a priority for him than the slavery going on that he approved of previously. Look at you trying to excuse the god for ignoring the slavery he approved. This is what I mean, your god's standards are so poor you have to do mental gymnastics to make it look palatable. When will you people stop doing this to yourselves.

As soon as he changes the rusty screws...

Can a Nigerian pastor sow his private jet as a seed in the life of his poor member? Me think not. Because every Nigerian pastor is greedy...

jesusjnr2020:
You had to get a demonically twisted translation of the original Hebrew texts to back your lies, but it was exposed in the link:

http://bhebrew.biblicalhumanities.org/viewtopic.php?t=1101

Here's the correct translations of the original Hebrew texts in the screenshot below.

The child was already born when Isaiah was prophesying...he is not talking about a future event. Read the next two verses to confirm...

Context is key...

MaxInDHouse:
Guy you're lost in thoughts simple!
Because you've never openly cursed any Nairalander like this before, just quote a previous post where you did such and i'll believe you're not insane!
Max really dealt with you mercilessly!

Ass wipe...

With little or no sense, a grown ass man that believes a woman can become pregnant without a male input..

Go Sidon.

MaxInDHouse:
But why did you just run mad and start cursing?
I've never ever seen you curse anyone with so much passion as you did.
Surely Max finished all your DELUSION in few pages so you got frustrated and start thinking of curses forgetting that your reincarnation concept has nothing to do with curses!

If you see somebody eating from a dump site, and you say oh,that man is crazy, would you be wrong??

MaxInDHouse:
So there are many worlds!
Perhaps there are other worlds sweeter than this one sef!

Now you are learning

Bishopkingsley:
The Servant of Yahweh

In 42:1-4 we meet the first of the four so-called Servant Songs. (The others are in 49:1-6, 50:4-9 and 52:13-53:12.)

The songs gives a mixed indication who this servant is because Bible is not a novel God hides things inside each verse .

Notice
In some cases the whole nation Israel is the servant, in other cases it is the faithful within Israel, while in some cases it is the Messiah, Jesus Christ.

The probable reason for this threefold meaning is that Israel as a whole failed, and the spiritual blessings God desired for Israel were experienced only by the faithful few who truly believed God. Yet even this faithful remnant did not experience the full blessings God intended for his people. God’s purposes for Israel were fulfilled only in Jesus the Messiah.

It is talking about a servant...not a son. Give me just one instance where it refers to Jesus christ.
Just one.

MaxInDHouse:
You just keep amusing me with this delusional thoughts of yours!
Perhaps you don't know how hilarious everything sounds now, you a believer in reincarnation is trying to figure out how many years people will spend before they are reincarnated!
Please where do people go immediately after death as you're now saying i will come back after 1000 years?
How many years did you spend their before you were reincarnated?
In fact i'm beginning to enjoy this comedy show, abeg who dey there come join me laugh at Mr Reincarnation who wants to predict things about others yet he himself can't say anything about his own!

Okpe..they go back to the spirit realm
Waiting for another opportunity to come to earth. If they have fulfied all they remain as spirits. Or go to other worlds...
It's all chance.

MaxInDHouse:
Chai see insanity o!
So despite your reincarnation concept you just want people who disagree with your delusion to be punished anyway!

Well nobody will die again in fire and brimstone God destroyed those cities but never will such happen again. In fact you now proved you're truly deluded with this your reincarnation concept!

Ass wipe..

How old are you...just give me a range...

The reason I asked is that you lack basic common sense..
You really need to get out of that Cult. It is stopping you from using your brain.

Simple explanation is PhD seminar for you.
Human is made up of God's breath(spirit) + body made from the DUST of the earth. When a man experiences death it means God has taken his breath all that is leftis the body which with time will turn back to dust.
When the spirit has not fulfilled all of God's divine laws in one life time, it will come back in another body to fulfill them, if it can't it will come back again till it becomes pure like God by fulfilling them all. The same breath that God breath into my body is same he has breath on you. The only difference between us is that you have suspended the use of your brain. End of the day the breath becomes one with God.

But your death is going to come from fire and brimstone. Your coming back again will take 1000 years....

MaxInDHouse:
Please leave the rest of the STORY and focus on the two highlighted.
All i want from you now is the correlation between the first sentence and the second, as both came from you!

I mean you will die like the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah....and perish in fire and brimstone.

jesusjnr2020:
So you mean the child Hezekiah was "The mighty God" and not an idol, right?

The Jewish scriptures clearly said the child was "The mighty God" so you don't have the flimsy excuse of Christians imposing their own interpretations to it.

No that's not what the Hebrew says. This is what it says..

MaxInDHouse:
I have weighed your intellect and discovered that you're just one of those insanes that are dressed as normal people.

According to your explanation reincarnation is the circle that everyone will forever continue to move until some rich Nirvana.
So there's no correlation between your concept and the Bible because the people that experienced divine judgment in the Bible are gone for good but you don't agree with that so what exactly is the correlation between your concept of reincarnation and what the Bible says?

Jesus of Nazareth is the only person that used that word "PERISH"

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not PERISH, but have everlasting life. John 3:16

You said Jesus was a fabrication of Rome yet you can't figure out any word to threaten your audience to come and embrace your madness except what Jesus said!

What exactly is the link between reincarnation and perishment torí Ọlọ́run?

So don't just sit down there looking for hurtful words to exchange with me think about how you can correlate REINCARNATION with PERISHMENT because all the contemporaries of Sodom and Gomorrah are dead by now and if we're to go by your concept all of them and those who received divine judgment must have reincarnated twice if not thrice. So how does that word PERISH comes in when all of them including Abraham and Lot died and they're all reincarnating afterwards?

Olodo...we are Gods breath dwelling within a physical body made from dust.
The Hebrew word for breath and spirit is Nerphesh. In psalm 104:28-31. It says "send fort your spirit and they are created. Take it and they die. .....

The purpose is to learn and grow. End of the day every body will be saved to achieve unity. Because we are all same spirit. If the spirit does not fulfil the Torah in one life time it can come back to fulfil them a second, third or forth time. Life is a circle.

I said you will perish like Sodom and Gomorrah...with fire and brimstone.

We are Gods spirit.

Bishopkingsley:
At that time Cyrus of Persia had been expanding his empire. He had conquered all the countries to the north and east, and was now threatening Babylon. The prophet imagines God calling the nations to assemble before him and asking them a question: who is it that has stirred up Cyrus to carry out this conquest? The answer: Yahweh (41:1-4).
As the armies of Cyrus approach these nations the people panic, and in their distress call upon their gods for protection. Isaiah pictures the goldsmiths and other craftsmen helping and encouraging each other as they work overtime to meet the heavy demand for idols (5-7).
The people of Israel, by contrast, are the people of the living God. He chose them long ago and he has not forgotten them. He is always present to strengthen and protect them (8-10). They need not fear their enemies, for God will fight for them - and no enemy can stand against him (11-13).
By God’s power Israel will be victorious. As a farmer threshes and winnows wheat, so Israel will crush and scatter its enemies (14-16). God will answer the prayers of his people, and provide them with all they need for a healthy and prosperous life. His gracious gifts will be a demonstration of his character that all can see (17-20).
God then challenges the gods of the nations to prove their power by predicting coming events. Not only are they unable to predict the future, they cannot even relate the past. He challenges them to prove their existence by doing anything at all, good or bad, but again they are unable. They are lifeless (21-24). God points out that he predicts correctly and acts decisively. None of the gods of the nations predicted Cyrus’s conquest, but the God of Israel did (25-27). These gods can neither predict events nor answer questions. Being lifeless, they can only deceive those who worship them (28-29).

The Servant of Yahweh

In 42:1-4 we meet the first of the four so-called Servant Songs. (The others are in 49:1-6, 50:4-9 and 52:13-53:12.)

The songs gives a mixed indication who this servant is because Bible is not a novel God hides things inside each verse .

Notice
In some cases the whole nation Israel is the servant, in other cases it is the faithful within Israel, while in some cases it is the Messiah, Jesus Christ.

The probable reason for this threefold meaning is that Israel as a whole failed, and the spiritual blessings God desired for Israel were experienced only by the faithful few who truly believed God. Yet even this faithful remnant did not experience the full blessings God intended for his people. God’s purposes for Israel were fulfilled only in Jesus the Messiah. The nation Israel was Abraham’s natural offspring (John 8:37); the few faithful believers within Israel, often referred to as the remnant, were his spiritual offspring (Romans 9:6-7; Galatians 3:29); but the Messiah himself was the one and only perfect off-spring, in whom all God’s purposes for Israel were fulfilled and through whom people of all nations are blessed (Galatians 3:16; cf. Genesis 12:1-3,Genesis 12:7).

Although the people of Israel repeatedly failed and suffered God’s punishment, they nevertheless looked forward to a golden age of glory and power. The expectancy of a golden age naturally became greater as the exiles in Babylon learnt that they were about to return to their land. But, having returned and rebuilt their nation, they again failed.

Jesus Christ, the embodiment of ideal Israel, not only suffered God’s punishment because of his people’s sins, but brought the glory and power that Israel hoped for but never achieved (cf. Isaiah 42:1-4 with Matthew 12:17-21; cf. Isaiah 53:4 with Matthew 8:17).

In Matthew 12:17–21, Isaiah 42:1–4 is cited as a fulfillment of Isaiah's prophecies in the life and work of Jesus Christ: And great multitudes followed Him, and He healed them all. Yet He warned them not to make Him known, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Isaiah the prophet, saying: "Behold!

Isaiah 42:1-4
King James Version
42 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street.
3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.
4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.

Isaiah 53:4 ►
Surely he took up our pain and bore our suffering, yet we considered him punished by God, stricken by him, and afflicted.

In the King James Version of the Bible the text reads:
Matthew 8:17
That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by (Isaiah.. the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses. ... This was to fulfill what was spoken through the prophet Isaiah: "He took up our infirmities and carried our diseases."

My beloved brother
Jesus full filled every thing the Torah and other books said about him

Lol...I did not ask for this story. I know it already..

Show me where the servant is any other than Israel?

Bishopkingsley:
I will talk about this soon let me study the relationship and linkage

Ok am waiting..

Bishopkingsley:
The Torah and Judaism books clearly affirms the doctrine of the general resurrection of the dead.

In a way only scholars can understand if you have insight to the way God speaks

Note, in brief, the following points.
Old Testament - (cf. 2 Tim. 1:10). R


Exodus 3:6
Then he said, “I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob.” At this, Moses hid his face, because he was afraid to look at God.


Matthew 22:31-32
31 But about the resurrection of the dead—have you not read what God said to you, 32 ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’[a]? He is not the God of the dead but of the living.”


According to Jesus, God’s declaration to Moses regarding Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob was an indication of the eventual resurrection
(Mt. 22:31,32).
Because this men where dead when God declared he was their God so God was showing this men are living in him and they Wil one day be brought back to life because God is the God of the living and not the dead


Other Old Testament Judaism books also it passages suggested that man’s body would be raised
(see Job 19:25-27;
Psa. 17:15;
Isa. 26:19;
Dan. 12:2;
Hos. 13:14)

From this we can see resurrection is possible because God is all powerful and he is the God of the living which at the end of time Wil send Jesus the second time to resurrect all those who believe in Jesus

You are just dancing about like a headless chicken.

Is it written anywhere in the tanakh that the Messiah will die, resurrect and ascend to the sky? Especially in Isaiah 53??

MaxInDHouse:
Ọ̀DẸ̀ ÒPÒNÚ OLÓDO!
FOOL CONFUSED DULLARD!

Is there anything like PERISHING in your idea of reincarnation?
Guy you need to see a psychiatrist fast because according to you there is no punishment other than reincarnation and even you yourself can't figure out how many times you've been reincarnated, now you're insanely blabbing about someone been PERISH.
Abeg go take your medications!

Cultist.....

Brainwashed olodo....

You will perish like the people of Sodom and Gomorrah if you don't quit that Cult...

You can't even leave...to show you that it is a wicked cult.

Learn God's commandments and live. The Torah is the way, the truth and life...not your imaginary friend that never existed.

Bishopkingsley:
The characteristics of the Jewish Messiah:

1. He will be a servant of God: "Behold, my servant, whom I uphold, mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles." (Isaiah 42:1).

2. He will build the kingdom of God: "He shall build a house for my name." (II Samuel 7:13).

3. He will be a national hero who will vanquish the enemies of Israel: "In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely." (Jeremiah 33:16); "And as since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel, and have caused thee to rest from all thine enemies; also the Lord telleth thee that he will make thee a house." (II Samuel 7:11); "Yea, all kings shall fall down before him: all nations shall serve him." (Psalms 72:11).

4. His kingdom will be eternal: "And I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever." (II Samuel 7:13).

5. He will have wonderful abilities: "And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord." (Isaiah 11:2).

6. He will engage in acts of moral judgment: "But with righteousness he shall judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth." (Isaiah 11:4).

7. He will be a light onto the nations: "I the Lord have called thee in righteousness, and I will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people for a light of the gentiles. To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house." (Isaiah 42:6-7).

8. His success will be the result of spiritual, not violent activities: "But with righteousness he shall judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked." (Isaiah 11:4).

9. He will be a stricken and suffering figure who will bear the pain of society: "Surely he has borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed." (Isaiah 53:4-5).

10. He will be a scion of the house of David: "And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a branch shall grow out of his roots." (Isaiah 11:1).

11. We do not know exactly when he will appear.

According to what is written in the book of Zechariah, the Messiah will arrive riding on the foal of a donkey: "Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem, behold, they King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass." (Zechariah 9:9).

In Judaism, the belief in the concept of the Messiah and his essence is given to debate, and has undergone changes over the course of time in accordance with the historical and social contexts throughout the various eras.

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In Christian doctrine, Jesus is identified as the Messiah and is called Christ (from the Greek for Messiah). In the New Testament, Jesus is called Messiah several times, for example the Gospel according to Mark begins with the sentence "The beginning of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God." (Mark 1:1). The Gospel according to Matthew identifies Jesus as the Messiah and even as the son of God: "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the Living God." (Matthew 16:16). This statement expresses the belief that Jesus, as the son of God, possesses divine attributes. In the Gospel according to Mark, Jesus admits to the high priest that he is the Messiah: " Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed? and Jesus said, I am." (Mark 14:61-62).

Aside from the statements in the New Testament regarding Jesus being the Messiah, in the actions described in the story of his life and death, Jesus does, indeed, show the characteristics of the Messiah as understood in Judaism:

1. He acts in the name of God: "The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor... This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears." (Luke 4:18-21).

2. He will establish the kingdom of God forever  the kingdom of heaven: "Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." (Matthew 3:2).

3. He has wonderful abilities that enable him to perform miracles, including raising the dead: " The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them." (Matthew 11:5).

4. He engages in acts of judgment: "When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory. And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats." (Mathew 25:31-32).

5. He is presented as pursuing peace and opposing violence: "But I say onto you, That ye resist not evil: but whoever shall smite thee on they right cheek, turn to him the other also." (Matthew 5:39)

6. Jesus is depicted as suffering, both during the time of his ministry and in his death: "But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation." (Luke 17:25).

7. His ministry is directed not only at the people of Israel but at the gentiles as well: "Whosoever believeth in him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich onto all that call upon him." (Romans 10:11-12).

8. He is a scion of the house of David: "Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David." (Romans 1:3).

9. Jesus is described as riding a donkey foal into Jerusalem: "And they brought the colt to Jesus, and cast their garments on him: and he sat upon him." (Mark j. 11:7).

10. We do not know when he will come, except for the fact that this event will occur at the End of Days: "Watch therefore for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come...Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh." (Matthew 24: 42-44).


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Despite the similarity in the concepts, there are few basic differences between the concept of the Messiah in Judaism and in Christianity:

1. In Judaism, they wrongly say the Messiah is only flesh and blood.

Even though the Tanach states that God will be a father to him and he will be a son to God:
So Judaism fail to understand
Not knowing that he is going to be both flesh and blood and God Almighty.

"I will be his father and he shall be my son." (II Samuel 7:14), but the meaning of this verse is apparently clear : the Messiah will enjoy the benevolence of God as a son enjoys the benevolence of his father.

Contrary to the common belief in Judaism that the Messiah has yet to come,

in Christianity the Messiah has already arrived: "I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.

Jesus saith onto her, I that speak onto thee am he." (John 4: 25-26). He will return at the End of Days.
But then those who believe only in Torah will cry to Jesus blessed is he who comes in the name of the lord

Repent nor before it becomes late

Isaiah 53 is about a suffering servant. Isaiah has already told you who the servant is in 41:6-9.

The major tenant of Christianity is the resurrection and second coming ...is this supported in the Torah?

jesusjnr2020:
So you mean the child (Jesus) that God through His prophet prophesied would be born unto us, and called "The mighty God", is an idol?

Isaiah 9:6 (KJV)

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

If you indeed think so, then you haven't chosen life but death, because you don't keep God's Word as you say.

The child Isaiah is talking about has already been born when Isaiah was prophesying. The child was already 6 years old. Is English a problem to you? For unto us a child IS born"...Isaiah was referring to future king Hezekiah. He was already 6 years old at the time. He is not referring to a future event...
You Christian impose your interpretation on Jewish scriptures. That is not what it says...

Bishopkingsley:
Now that is not what the Torah says

But let me trap you and show to you how much you don't know Torah show me the place Torah said these things you have said now if you complain about showing the place then I will show you what the Torah actually said about the Messiah

Now let me give you a hint
David called the Messiah my lord
Daniel called him the son of man
All the prophet called him the name they saw his glory on

So show me this fabrication of yours where it is written in the Torah

It's a very popular question. Why don't Jews believe Jesus was the Messiah? Aren't the proofs convincing?

This is a sensitive issue, and it is hoped that no one will be offended by the candid answer provided here.

We do not believe that it is prophesied that the Messiah will be crucified. We do not believe that the Messiah will be the son of G-d. We do not believe that he will be raised from the dead any more than anyone else. We do not believe that he will appear twice, in what some Christians call a second coming. We do not believe that the Messiah will be our "savior" in the sense that he will redeem us from our sins.

These are all fascinating claims to make concerning anyone, but they are all irrelevant to the Messiah for whom the Jews have awaited these three thousand years. None of these things are prophesied in the Jewish Bible.

What then is this Messiah for whom we wait? The Messiah will be a mortal man, born of a normal man and woman.He will be a man very learned in all sections of the Torah, and he will be a very righteous man. He will be of the undisputed scion of David through his father. He will become uncontested ruler in the Land of Israel over all the People of Israel, that is, all Twelve Tribes of Israel. He will have at least one son, who will be king after the Messiah dies a normal death at an advanced age.

He will be as described by the Prophet Isaiah (Isaiah 11:2-4): "full of wisdom and understanding, counsel and might, knowledge and the fear of G-d . . . he will smite the tyrant with the rod of his mouth, and slay the wicked with the breath of his lips . . ." (Maimonides explains this last as merely a parable, and not to be taken literally.)

Still, the Messiah will primarily be a prince of peace. As it says (Isaiah 52:7) "How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of the messenger who announces peace."

The Messiah will bring an end to all suffering and war. He will rescue the Children of Israel from exile. He will teach the world how to revere truth, and they will all return to G-d (though not necessarily to Judaism). All forms of warfare will be abolished.

The Torah will be strengthened by the teachings and practices of the Messiah. It will not be weakened nor changed in the slightest.

The Jews will no longer be subjugated nor oppressed by other nations. (In fact, there will be no oppression or subjugation anywhere in the world, by anyone against anyone.) The Jews will be free in the Land of Israel. We will have the Holy Temple once again. We will have the full body of the Law restored by the full Sanhedrin and all lesser courts. And the Messiah will do all this on his first try. Indeed, this is how we will know he is the Messiah.

These are the main prophecies that the Torah tells us concerning the Messiah. The man who causes these to happen will be the Messiah. Since these have not happened, the Messiah, the one foretold by the Torah, has not yet come.

It will be through these signs that he will be recognized. It will not be through miracles, nor through resurrection of the dead, nor through any new creation. It will be through the total rescue we will undergo (as described in brief above) that we will know the Messiah. And in truth, we await the Redemption more than we await the Messiah. The Messiah will be G-d's messenger and vehicle for that Redemption.

And that is a very important point. We await our rescue from exile and an end to all human suffering in this world. The Messiah's purpose is not to make it possible for us to go to Heaven. The Torah teaches us how to do that already.

The man the Christians worship may have been a good person, and he may have taught many good things. (Although I hasten to point out that there are many teachings in the Christian Bible that are completely unacceptable to Orthodox Jews, and incompatible to the teachings of the Torah.) But he was not the Messiah for whom we await and have long awaited. He may have been crucified, and that's a horrible thing. But that merely proves to us that he was not the Messiah.

He was not the son of G-d any more than we all are; precisely no more or less. The very thought is repugnant to a Jewish person. G-d having a son in that manner? We shudder at the suggestion.

Nor do we believe he was resurrected. But even if he was, that would not make him the Messiah.

All this that is claimed about Jesus is irrelevant. It has nothing to do with the Messiah. There will indeed be a resurrection, but not at the time of the Messiah's coming. That will be later.

The Jewish faith has no place for most of the Christian Messiah beliefs. Nor is there any way to reconcile Jesus with the Jewish concept of the Messiah. The two concepts have very little in common.

We still await the Messiah, and our faith is still strong.

Bishopkingsley:
Now that is not what the Torah says

But let me trap you and show to you how much you don't know Torah show me the place Torah said these things you have said now if you complain about showing the place then I will show you what the Torah actually said about the Messiah

Now let me give you a hint
David called the Messiah my lord
Daniel called him the son of man
All the prophet called him the name they saw his glory on

So show me this fabrication of yours where it is written in the Torah

Hahaha ha. You don't even know what Torah is.
Torah is Genesis to deuteronomy..it contains God's divine laws. The rest are just foot notes. Jewish history, psalm and Proverbs. The Torah with the rest are called Tanakh...

You and your kindergarten brain.

The Messiah is from the root of David through Solomon his son. .not a demi God.

Demi God's belong to mythology.

MaxInDHouse:
Òrìṣà are fallen angels that became deities after the global deluge {1Peter 3:19-20} that's why the one and only true God introduced himself to Abraham! Genesis 12:1-3

Apart from the Israelites all other nations were worshiping demons! 1Corinthians 10:20

Is that what they teach you in your Cult?

Come out of it before you perish with them..

HellVictorinho:
False


You are not the writer of the books

You cannot determine the intention of the writers by turning their statements upside down

In fact
The writers never intended peace because if they intended peace
They wouldn't have stated what has nothing to do with peace such as LOVE ALL YOUR NEIGHBORS including those YOU HAVE TO DEFEND YOURSELF AGAINST except YOU HATE YOURSELF


Every expression in those books doesn't support peace

Even where PEACE is mentioned

There's no reason why it should be ensured


The promises in those books are useless

If you also think Jesus said or meant something different from what is written in some cases_what that person once suggested,then you are just being pointless


You have to prove a Jesus that said Bla Bla Bla once existed before accusing people of not understanding what you are saying about what Jesus said except you admit to saying what nobody could have ever stated as a person called Jesus
or admit you are saying what nobody at all could have ever stated or admit to be saying what nobody to be taken seriously ever stated


The people(ALL the writers) that came up with Jesus existing as this or that never ALL said they were writing to ensure peace


That person you just quoted has confessed to turning the books upside down



It's of no use defending that person

The person calls it using your mind


Yeah

Use your head to turn it upside down



If you expect peace after turning it upside down
It shows you are a crook



There will never be peace

Nobody is a giver of peace so I don't think Dtruthspeaker should consider peace as what can be given to the world

Your peace doesn't mean the world has peace

You are not well..seek psychiatrist help ASAP.