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DonroxyII:
If Death is an Illusion, Life is also an Illusion.... Everything is just Mirror effect, Brain Conception......Why didn't you balance both side of the equation

Thanks..

The topic was on death...

budaatum:
I think you need to talk for yourself and admit that your "religion" deprives you of actually living your life because you've forgotten that you are on a journey of self discovery and therefore do not measure up.

Some of us read the same books of religion and decide not to be ignorant like stupid believing Adam but be like use her senses wisdom seeking Eve so we can discover our own journey of life, not to measure up, which is just copying others, but to be our free independent pathblazing selfs.

Nothing is as freeing as learning to “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground" instead of being naked and enslaved and afraid of dying in a poxy tiny Garden of Eden.

Perhaps start by not taking your definition of religion as that which has been handed down to you to believe so you measure up to others, and use your own superpowers to define the word for yourself. Not doing so is you irresponsibly depriving yourself of actually living your life and then blaming it on some God you read about in a book or was told to believe in instead of seeking to understand what you read or were told.

What is the problem? You are going backwards...

Watch it. Before it's too late..

budaatum:
Your point should be, can you apply it to your God, since your God is an image of yourself.

Or would you like to argue that humans do not create their gods?

You are depreciating..what is the problem?

Your wife or babe leave you?

budaatum:
Nice help, though that's not quite the meaning of religion, despite it being a part of it. One can be religious without "Believing and having faith in someone else experience". Also, one can have faith and belief in the experience of one's doctor or Messi, but you wouldn't say that person is religious because of it. Or would you?

That's exactly what it means. Except you want to draw a different conclusion or inference..
Religion actually deprive you of actually living your life. Because you tend to forget that you are on a journey of self discovery because you feel you are not measuring up.

budaatum:
I promise. I did not make it up.

I never implied you made it up.
My point was can it be applied to God?

jesusjnr2020:
So if you're in a sinking ship in the middle of the sea, you won't accept to be rescued?

Why not.
I have two lovely angels as daughters I want to see them grow up...

budaatum:
Otem, can you kindly explain what religion is, please?

What is religion?

Let me help.

Believing and having faith in someone else experience.

budaatum:
God is a "what" too. God is omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent and omnibenevolent as well as having an eternal and necessary existence, are all "whats" and not "whos", though they don't teach it in Sunday school.

Omnibenevolent?

Sound fetish to me...what is had in " if my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and confess their sins and forsake their evil ways, I will hear from heaven and forgive their sins and heal their land. 2nd chronicle 7:14..

Which God sent his son for humans to kill in other to appease him before he can forgive their sins..?

Where did the gospels writers and Paul get this idea from?

chatinent:
They died. Only John died a natural one.

Is that all?

Read the op and address the points raised..

Hismasterpiece:
Rev 14:9 Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand,
Rev 14:10 "he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
Rev 14:11 "And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."

What about this scripture above sounds like symbols to you? It clearly states that those who worship the beast shall be tormented with fire and brimstone and the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever. Are you going to tell me that the words 'torment' and 'smoke' are symbols too?

Rev 19:20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Rev 20:10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Rev 20:14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

The lake of fire is an actual place where people, fallen angels and demons will be tormented forever and ever. The Scriptures couldn't be any more clearer.

If you don't believe in hell,what will happen to you?

When I read about the concept of hell in the new testament, I went back to the old testament to find out what was the initial teaching in the Tanakh.
What I saw was,

Psalm 104 :29-31. Send forth your spirit and they are created and replenish the earth , take it and they die and return to dust from where they were taken.

I don't see anywhere it says God was going to send his spirit to burn for eternity. Where did the writers of the gospels get the idea from.

Then I went back to study Jewish history and discovered that the Jewish word translated as hell is actually a land outside Jerusalem where refuse and dead bodies were burnt. The place is always burning to convert the waste to carbon or ash.


We are Gods spirit dwelling within a physical body made from the DUST of the earth. When a body experiences Death, the spirit goes back to the owner. And the body returns to the earth...

Why would God send his spirit to hell??

Hismasterpiece I need answers.

Hismasterpiece:
God doesn't want anybody to go there... besides the place wasn't even created for humans, but humans by their rebellion forced God to start sending humans there.

You make it seem as if God is unjustly tormenting people in hell, but that isn't how the Bible teaches it. Everyone in hell deserves to be there. God is Holy, and being as Holy as He is, it only makes sense that He has the attitude towards sin that He does.

And don't forget the type of people that God sends there. Evil people by His standards are the ones He sends there.

Please tell your God that I am a chemical engineee, I can supply the energy to power hell for him. Because such a place is going to need a hell lot of energy to keep it burning . And I just figured out how to do that.

I am currently enjoying 24 hours light in my part of the country.. I even off my freezer sometimes to defrost...

Please...I won't disappoint.

The apostles should be twelve of the most famous people in history. We're told they were hand picked by Jesus to witness his wondrous deeds, learn his sublime teachings, and take the good news of his kingdom to the ends of the earth.

Which makes it all the more surprising that we know next to nothing about them. We can't even be sure of their names: the gospels list a collection of more than twenty names for the so-called twelve disciples – with Bartholomew sometimes showing up as Nathanael, Matthew as Levi and Jude as Thaddeus, Lebbaeus, or Daddaeus!

It should be apparent that if the twelve were actual historical figures, with such an important role in the foundation and growth of the Church, it would be impossible to have such wild confusion over the basic question of who they really were.

But what do we know about any of them?

"Twelve Good Men and True"?

The fact is that for seven of the twelve, our only early source, the Gospels, say nothing about them at all. They are just names on a list.

Isn't it a tad odd that such worthies, infused with the Holy Spirit and given powers to heal the sick and cast out demons, wrote nothing, or had nothing written for them or about them? Isn't it odd that men chosen to be eye-witnesses to the mighty deeds of Jesus, wrote no eye-witness statements, left no sermons, no memoirs, no letters, no teachings, no pithy words of encouragement?

All that we have about "the twelve" are conflicting legends and fantastic stories from a much later date, tall stories about where they went, what they did and most especially how they died. Their deaths, it seems, have been recorded in loving and lurid detail. And it is the graphic deaths of the disciples that solves the riddle. We've all heard the apologetic claim: "Would they have died for a lie? Therefore the story of Jesus must be true."

"Would the disciples have suffered and died for a fabricated saviour?"

One of the reeds of straw holding up the shabby edifice of Christendom is the alleged suffering and cruel fate of his original apostles, the twelve disciples chosen by the Lord himself. By their heroic, cheek-turning sacrifice, these worthies earned their martyr's crown and joined their Lord in Heaven. In so-doing, they inspired generations of noble Christians, who ultimately taught the blood-thirsty Romans the Christian values of compassion and brotherly love. Well, that's the myth.

But we all know how useful to a cause is a dead martyr, even if he's a fiction. In the case of Jesus, the twelve are a fiction, a necessary entourage for a sun god, passing through the twelve constellations of the zodiac. Just like other saviour gods, Jesus had to have his retinue.

The truth is, the twelve disciples are a grubby and sordid invention.

Where DID they get their ideas from?

Joshua also chose Twelve

"The LORD spoke to Joshua, saying: 'Take for yourselves twelve men from the people, one man from every tribe' ... Then Joshua called the twelve men whom he had appointed from the children of Israel, one man from every tribe." – Joshua 4.1-4.

The names 'Jesus' and 'Joshua' both derive from the Hebrew Yehoshua – an heroic name ('Yahweh saves') given to the supposed leader of the Israelites in their conquest of Canaan.

The parallels don't end there. Matthew's Jesus promises his groupies that they will "sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel." – Mathew 19:28.

Bishopkingsley:
Which Bible do you use

Read the original Hebrew Bible..learn Hebrew.
www.chabad.org

Bishopkingsley:
Moses prayed to God, who told Moses, 'Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole; and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he seeth it, shall live. ' (Numbers 21:4–9) This did not remove the source of the people's suffering; it enabled them to survive it.

I see you love old testament
Now when God told Moses to make an image like this was it not almost the same thing like idolatry too

Lol...that is not the creator.

That is the same serpent lord that was in Eden..Ninghizsida.

Read the original Hebrew Bible..

The bible contains story of different gods as the jews where moving accross the desert, these gods were also with them.

Bishopkingsley:
God bless you may the mercy of God shine on you and may you have peace

But any time you want to know and see Jesus you can always approach me and I will gladly show you the way to him

Until then no need to argue about what real....
Peace upon you

Leave idolatry alone...

Worship your creator. It is not difficult.

Just follow his laws...

Bishopkingsley:
As long as you refuse to answer my question that is the only reason I have seen why you don't want to see an evidence before you can believe

I only thought you wanted evidence before you can believe

But now I have seen you don't need evidence what you want is you don't want to believe even if he is real

You just hate Jesus
So no need to show you Jesus
You are free to hate Jesus
Our God is a loving father he won't force you to believe in him

Our job is to make sure we declare the truth so that you can't say no one told me about Jesus

What was your question?

Hate Jesus?
I don't hate story book character or villain in comic books. I just read to entertain myself.
It like saying I hate Thanos or green goblin. Does it make any sense?

Jesus is just a story book character...nothing more.

You are just ignorant and wasting your time.

triplechoice:
And you didn't bother to know why you had a spirit wife?

I know..

MaxInDHouse:
You're not far away from the truth!

So who is Jesus that you are loving and following ?

Bishopkingsley:
The thing to believe when you see Jesus is will you then believe he is not a frictional character

So when you see Jesus will you accept he is real and not a frictional character

How does he look like, describe him for me so that I can be sure...tell me what to look out for..does he still have holes in his hand ? And scars on his head from the crown of thorns?

Describe him.

I used to have a spirit wife before I got married to my wife. Sex with her was clean. I had to appease her to allow me enjoy my life on this realm. But she was always protecting me, I loved her for that.
When I was in the UK, I met this pretty babe from Trinidad and Tobago on match.com. after enough chatting she came to my house for some lashing. When my spirit wife saw her she said I shouldn't, I was head strong because I have wasted time and wifi on chatting and telling her all the positions we will do.

Long story short, after like 2 hours of pre-intimacy "oga jimmy" no raise oh. I try try...nothing. she got angry and left. I had to beg her and called cab to take her from Neasden to Hounslow.

Like two weeks later I managed to get her on the phone, but the voice was not hers. It was her elder sister. She told me she was in hospital. She was HIV positive, and has become full blown AIDS.

I kneel down thank Sophia. My spirit wife..

It also happened with another uhrobo girl from Delta state. But she did not have Hiv, my dick no still stand,

I guess she did not want it to happen..

We are spiritual beings having a human experience, when we expire here we go back to the spiritual realm. (The real life)

Bishopkingsley:
You say he is not a part of history and I say he is a part of our history
So we have two opposite truth


You said you have seen super man
If he super man could fly in your presence and do other stuffs then normally you would have believed in super man I hope am correct

Now am asking you if you see Jesus and he proves to you that he is not a frictional character

Will you believe in Jesus?

If I see, what is there to believe?

It means I know. It becomes knowledge...but the probability of that happening is next to zero.

Bishopkingsley:
And now I am asking you that this fictional character Jesus if you seen him personally will you believe in him

Lol....you are very funny.

How is that possible, only in Hollywood movies.

It is like asking if you see Incredible hulk, will you believe in him?

It's fiction. He is a character in a story. It is not history.

Bishopkingsley:
I understand above then explain below



Then kindly tell me which frictional character you are speaking about here be specific who

The gospels are theological fictions..Jesus is just a fictional character created by 5he Roman empire under Constantine..
The Messiah that the Jewish prophet spoke about is an ordinary man like me and you from the tribe of Judah. He is coming to reign as king. Bring peace and end oppression and teach people that there is only one God...God never through any prophet said he was sending his son to die as a sin sacrifice. He hates human sacrifice. It is an abomination to him..

Bishopkingsley:
You did not answer my first question

If I see, what's there to believe? It means I know. I saw Henry cahvil during the UK premier of man of steel. I was opportune to br standing close, I shook hand with superman.

Do I believe he can fly and shoot fire from his eyes?

Nah, that is just a story to teach us some truth. That is there is a hero in all of us..

You never still tire ?

Dtruthspeaker:
Oh your insanity still persists I thought you might have been cured!

So it's clearly understandable why you can not appreciate the value of imagery, probably you did not go to school when the class held.

Not this one you keep cooking from your single digit IQ. It is too low for me to even reply...I just pass sometimes. Other times I call your attention to what others are saying...

Bishopkingsley:
If you see the fictional character will you believe

I have seen and shook hands with super man.

Will you believe me?

Is it not just easier to just realize that the new testament is just bull shit and face God's divine laws?

Than this unending argument about a fictional character.
Worship and reverence your creator not some idol created by Rome. God is the creator, he is not part of creation.

The effect of the vaccine will become apparent in 2024. That is 3 years from now. They have already prepared your mind through their movies like "I am legend" and the fox series " the walking dead"..

I am not taking any vaccine. They can stick them up their ass.

The CEO of pfizer has not taken.

Dtruthspeaker:
Like saying cars and guns are the highest killers of mankind!

What a lousy comparison...see what I mean.

Dtruthspeaker:
When wrongs are committed people will surely come to condemn it and state their reasons for condemnation.

Silence means Approval since people do not often come to say that a thing is True.

It's supposed to be True.

But when it is Untrue, you can be sure condemnation will come.

Your points are too elementary and childish especially when you draw comparisons..

Think it through, your brain is not for decoration. It was given to you so no one will cheat or deceive you. But you have suspended the use of your own.