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Kingsempires:
In Christianity, they believe in the Trinity to be God divinity this is the proof from the bible that makes the belief of the Trinity


Isaiah 9;6,col 2:9,1 cor 8;16,2cor13:14, 2cor13;14,joh 10;30,luke1;35,mat 28;19,mat3;16-17,john14;16-17 e.t.c


These chapters and verses I quoted proofs the Trinity of God is Biblical.


But there is also places in the Bible that proof that Yahweh/Jehovah is the one and only God places like;


Isaiah 45;5-12,mark 10:17-18,john; 5:30,john 5;44 Exodus 20;3,deu 4;35, mark 12;29-34, Romans 3;30,1chron 17;20, Psalm 86;10 e.t.c


So this is were it confuses.Is it that the Bible is saying two different things.This is what the Muslims, atheist or some other religions will Said that the Bible is full of contradiction. So my fellow Christian can anyone fully explained the holy Trinity for does who those not really understand about Trinity and why is there difference explanation between this chapters I wrote above.


Please am not against anybody, anybody who have knowledge about this chapters should please explain the way others can understand it

All the chapters and verses you posted are all from the Christian new testament. The only portion of the Tanakh you posted that is Isaiah 9:6 is talking about future king Hezekiah. As the portion says the son has already been given...
Trinity is a Christian ideas and only them has the power to explain it. As I am not. I sign out...

Shalom.

Jokerman:
That is why we are not God.

God created Us, and he doesn't want us to perish, and that why He sent Jesus.

The gate of Salvation is open to everyone.

Everyone is liable to fall under God's wrath, including we and atheist, thanks be to our Lord Jesus, and he still saving everyone till the last day

Sent Jesus to do what Exactly??
Spend some time with us, get executed for crimes he committed and then return back to him?
What's the purpose of that?

Did he loose anything?

Obey God's commandments...teach others to do so..we all here are probably in our 10th or 30th life times. Nobody gets it right the first time..it's a game, you miss it, you start all over again. No memory of your previous life, that is what makes it interesting.....

Not this human sacrifice bull shit that the Roman used in deceiving the whole world..

jaephoenix:
Actually christianity is violent, though relatively less violent than Islam. I hope you know there are currently Christian terrorists who actually maim and kill

They were extremely violent prior to the reformation age...you can only imagine how many died in their hands just to propagate a lie....

So sad...

Science and spiritually are two different aspects of our existence...that exist side by side..you can't attempt to use one to verify the other any attempt is always futile..that was why I said theist and atheist..depending on what you see when you look......you are both correct.

Somebody might look at a beautiful nu.de woman and close their eyes and scream.
Others might wonder the careful master design of the creator..

What is true is that everting in nature exist in twos in nature physical world and an unseen world. It is called"the principal of duality".
I think I should just open a thread to discuss the 7 principles of life...


Shalom.

bobestman:
I don tell you before say you be small pikin. Telling ppl you have not met before who are doing far better than you that they are mad, cursed, going to hell or wishing them death for a belief you know nothing about is what? Something they even flogged your ancestors before they accepted it. Something you have not even gone there to see for yourself. Guy you reason like kids. Too ignorant and blind for me to argue with. Go and play

Dtruthspeaker....I did not say this one..

I will pay for your treatment...

I have dropped my contacts here before..

jaephoenix:
Can I tell seun to activate a gofundme so we can pay for a shrink to give u a Mental Eval? I can do one for free for you

I have volunteered several times to pay for his treatment...he has refused...

My offer still stands..

StillDtruth:
A clear example of a mad person not knowing that he is mad which is why people are givimg him the eye look, but he does not understand.

Chai, madness is wicked!

You did not address my point...

Please do, I want to hear your input...

Tell me about the chakras first

Charleys:
bros it's not only Matthew 13:55 there are other stories of Joseph having a child

Yed Joseph's children...he was a widower...he had children from a previous marriage...
Well, it's all fiction
...

StillDtruth:
We woke up one peaceful normal day and suddenly someone is asking "the chicken or the egg, who came first?"

My people o did you ever have any reason to ask this kind of unnatural question? No

Clearly, here, philosophy aims at
1) Disturbing and distracting the people from real eyeity to force them to ask unnatural and unprofitable useless questions like "What is the source of all things"? (as francistown has just done with his story of lies)

Which I answer what for? And why/how is it important?

It is clear beyond reasonable doubt that the source of all things we know is God, The Creator!

2) Forcing the people into having ungainful arguments designed to shake their confidence and make them lose focus on things they have already seen and known and experienced, like francistown lying that
"No demon is having sex with you during your sleep. You must have touched your genitals without knowing"

Whereas, our hands were not there.

All these Lies spun so as to cast doubt on real eyeity and render people unsure of themselves and their knowledges and experience.

Example one person they say his name is Xenophanes said

"No man has perceived certainty and none will ever perceive or attain it, for however perfect a man's thought or act, he is still not sure of it"

My people who is not sure when he is fuqkin a girl? Or who is not certain when he has eaten eba?

The truth of the matter is that Christians are too scared...
When I keep pointing out that the devil does not exist, they give me a bombastic side eye....
The creators of the Jesus character included a villain in their story to make Jesus relevant...so that they can sell him to you as a saviour.
The lie worked until some of us discovered the deception, but not Dtruthspeaker...He is still living the lie..

SunShowAfrica:
The chicken came first. It's just common sense

Yes, everything needed to make the egg is already within the chicken..

FRANCISTOWN:
If I was going to be honest. Your comment is full of sense, but I've passed this stage.

Whether you shut your mind against electricity or not, by the time you put your hand in a life socket, no one will teach you before the shut mind flings open.

Whether you believe or you do not believe, if you fell, you must definitely hit the ground.

Do you get what I'm trying to say?

What I'm saying is, whether you believe or not. Things that exist must find ways to manifest themselves regardless of anyone's believe.
BELIEVE HAS NO EFFECT ON REALITY.

The best post by a million miles...

Kingsempires:
I'm praying to God for all the atheist that they may know that you exists.

Whether atheist or atheist...they are both right. As long as they follow the laws of existence...

bobestman:
Which movie is this?

You ppl don't know how this things work
It's all about the power of your mind. As you think so it is. Whatever you believe, your mind or the light within you accept it. When you were religious you experienced all those things as it would happen to a religious man. As an atheist you shut your mind to anything god. Your subconscious mind and the light within you accept that. Since you don't believe in all those things, such things won't have effect on you. It doesn't mean it don't exist. We Africans are seed ppl, originals and those the one who created all things first created and called his own. We live by his rules as an AI live by the rules of whatever fashioned it. But some higher beings who were first created begin to play God and wanted to be be worshipped. Every land you go has their god who is the first person to work on that land in the age of gods or when they rule on earth When they Left they made their own rules in their various land which comes with consequences if one brakes them. Such rules are what many follow today. Good or bad. This is why African suffer curses and many other things you listed their. You not believing doesn't mean it don't exist


You didn't experience all those cos you have shut your mind to anything gods. As you don't believe in them you can't experience such things. To free yourself from the barbaric rules of religious gods
Vibrate higher and discover the god within you and you will have the power to overcome them
Align with the rules of the god or whatever
Follow a religion the gods don't like. It makes them turn away from you but it doesn't mean they Left you
Shut your mind to anything god just like an atheist. It is the worst one cos you will shut your mind to your creator cos he who created you also created those religious and rebellious gods. You train yourself to grow spiritually and know the difference between gods and God Almighty who created heaven and earth

So it is all about your mind or belief

Nice write up.
But you see that bolded, it is not true
The fact is that they did not leave. They simply became us. They are us in the past, we are them in the future....when I said blacks are the original people of this planet, people look at me like.........

Those religious God are just laws and principles..nothing more.
Thanks for your infomatua

Jokerman:
So God is lying when he said the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? 1 Corinthians 6:9

Or was he lying when He said this;
Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire

And Jesus also corroborated what God said about Hades
Luke 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

Please do not deceive yourself and live a careless life before you leave this world.

Please we beg. Come to Jesus now

Those are all Christian propaganda..

It is not what is saying...

Learn To differentiate between spiritual truth and mans wisdom.

Jokerman:
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.


Isaiah 53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
53:4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.


Who was God talking about in these old testament chapters of Isaiah?

In Isaiah 9:6 the son has already been given when Isaiah wrote that. The son has already been born. History says the son was already 6 years old...
He was talking about future king Hezekiah....

Isaiah 53 is about a suffering servant. 8 times prior to chapter 53, Isaiah told you who the servant is....check Isaiah 45:1-9.
And 41 :5-9.

The suffering servant is Israel...

Jiokejohn:
I'm interested. Please give me a summary of the history.

I will open a thread soon..

Kingsempires:
but you should'nt have make such statement

You mean I should not expose a fraud?

Jokerman:
Jesus is the only Sacrifice God will accept. Even Jesus Christ was spoke about in the old testament.

If you don't believe in Jesus Christ, you are already condemned. God has already told us to hear from Jesus Christ, at the configuration on the mountain.

Why are you still arguing??

John the Baptist testified in John 1.29:

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
1:30 This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me.
1:31 And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.
1:32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.
1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
1:34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.
1:35 Again the next day after John stood, and two of his disciples;
1:36 And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!

Will you call John the Baptist, a liar?

God never said he will send his son as sin offering..never..zip.
You are believing in a demon called Jesus.
Come to the creator, only the creator can set you free, not belief in a Jew that was nailed to a cross with no evidence that he actually existed...

emperor4love:
no need,I hv advise u,if u like don't take it

You are scared of what you might uncover..

Go ahead..

I did , and I am happy for it...

Jokerman:
So what are these books in the old testament talking about??

Job 11:8 It is as high as heaven; what canst thou do? deeper than hell; what canst thou know?

Psalms 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.

Psalms 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

Isaiah 5:14 Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it.

Isaiah 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

Ezekiel 31:16 I made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall, when I cast him down to hell with them that descend into the pit: and all the trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon, all that drink water, shall be comforted in the nether parts of the earth. (Talking about the Devil)

Jonah 2:2 And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.

Grave...that's where all humans Go...including the unrighteous...

Hades means the grave...their body goes to the grave, their spirit returns to God.

Except the ones that suffered but did not dies like Jonah and job. ...

Blue86:
So who are the magisterium?

The Roman curia ...The church.

Jiokejohn:
Can we have a civil but educative engagement with Biblical facts to your assertion on the Virgin Mary?

Lol..

I will give you the history of Christianity before the Bible was put together...
I mean Catholicism....
Not the picture they are painting for you.
I will tell you all the masacres just to make people believe the bull shit...

Bring it on

If the deep state don't kill him, he would win hands down...

Jokerman:
Yes.

But we have sinned and fallen short of God's glory, since Adam, and it passed to us.

Only through Jesus we are qualified to go back to God and be with him both body and soul, at the last day.

Anything short of that, is against God.

Stop reading the Epic of Gilgamesh and the likes, so that you won't be deceived at last

God already gave us a solution to the problem of sin, non of which involves human sacrifice ..see 2nd chronicles 7:14.
Human sacrifice belongs to the realm of Lucifer...
Confess and forsake he will forgive..
"A contrite heart he will not spurn"...so says the psalmist...

Jiokejohn:
Who taught you all these?

Be careful before you feed yourself with obnoxious and false notions.

I was a mass server before you where born..

I know what I am talking about...

emperor4love:
go take ur drugs

Yes... research further..

The truth hurts.
The truth will set you free, but first it will piss you off....

Kingsempires:
i'm a catholic is just that when i see mat13:55 i now get confused.i wanted to know further

The Bible is a baby of the church especially the new testament part. It is not final say. The magisterium has the final say..so when they tell you Mary is a virgin . believe them....

Jokerman:
So when God spoke about this, you call him a liar??

Mark 9:43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
9:44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
9:45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
9:46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
9:47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: 9:48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.


Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.


Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

You see that quote from Ezekiel.. straight forward. Soul that sins dies...and what is death ?
See the below.
Ecclesiastes 12:7
King James Version
7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

And

Psalm 104:29-31
King James Version
29 Thou hidest thy face, they are troubled: thou takest away their breath, they die, and return to their dust.

30 Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth.

31 The glory of the Lord shall endure for ever: the Lord shall rejoice in his works.


See the initial knowledge...

All you have in the new testament are deception and mockery against God...

God has already judged ALL MEN,from dust you where made, from dust you shall return. No mention of burning His spirit in an everlasting fire..all Christian propaganda and deception...just to keep people in line..

Jokerman:
Lol....

Hear God speaking.... 👇

Mark 1:11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Matthew 17:4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.


Jesus Christ Himself Speaking 👇

John 10:25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
10:30 I and my Father are one.


John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.


Revelation 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Question

So why can't we follow what God said, by asking us to hear from Jesus Christ?

You are not following what God said..
You are following what Christianity is saying.

Christianity is a mockery against God...

Jokerman:
Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

From the verses above, we see that Jesus is both God and Man.

Making him the express connection between God and Man, after the devil stole it through sin

Saying the same thing.
All Christian ideas...

Has got nothing to do with God
We are all image of God....

Mary did not give birth after Jesus/serapis/ Dimuzi ( light)
That's why Mary is the light bearer(mother of the light). A K.,A Lucifer.
So when the Catholics say mary is a virgin. Believe them. They know where they are coming from.
In the litany of the Virgin Mary of of her title there is the "morning star"...
Which is also the title of Lucifer in Isaiah..

They know what they are doing.
They have misled the whole world.

Christianity is about her...

The gospel came way way later. Still about ancient tales about Marduk...

If you value your life come out of her...