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Krismas:
Yahweh is not a name, it’s a title, like Oba.
Which different persons have answered to.
First was Enlil, then his son Marduk. Both are dead now. So, another person must be bearing the title currently.
As for the god of the Jews, who is he?

Lol?
You are talking about Baal, which means Lord. Enlil was the first Baal, but later him and Enki gave Marduk their attributes when he defeated tiamat. He used her body to create the universe...
Read the Enuma Elish again..
How can the Creator of heaven and earth die? Does it make sense.
Moreover the father of Marduk is Enki not Enlil. Marduk is the legal dimmer ankia(Divine king of heaven and earth ). The gospel stories about Jesus comes from ancient tales about Marduk may be that's why you think he is dead.

The Jews just uses Hashem,the true name of God will be revealed as soon as the temple is built.

SIRTee15:
What if I show U that ancient rabbinical Jews b4 Christ believed the verse was about someone who died and resurrected on the 3rd day.

They explained the verse as a Man who died and God raised him up on the 3rd day.
They just weren't sure of the identity of the man.

Hahaahahhaa
Which part of your ass are you pulling all these bull shit from?

You read it yourself...in context.

Ken4Christ:
Update and upgrade your knowledge of spiritual things. The men of old didn't have full knowledge of God and so certain things they said weren't true. But Jesus who is the truth has come to unveil the reality of spiritual things to us. So, if you want to understand spiritual things, look more into the New Testament. I will come back and enlighten you more.

Lol..very funny.

So it is the Greek/Romans that are God chosen people?
You don't just want to understand that you have wasted your whole life believing a lie...
Come out of it my friend.
Jesus is a creation of the Greek/Roman empire . He has got nothing to do with God the creator of heaven and earth.

SIRTee15:
Don't run away. Explain the verse.
What do U think. I will like to know your opinion.

Is it not self explanatory ?
Like I said before..
God creates peace and evil
He creates both light and darkness
He smites and he saves
Hosea is encouraging them to return to the Lord, two days he will revive them and on the 3rd day they will become a people again and live in his presence...
They will be his people and he will be their God..

So Hosea is saying after God has punished them, he would still save them. The two day means that God anger is not for ever, but his mercy endures forever...

MaxInDHouse:
Oya present those obeying it and what they're able to achieve in obeying it nah!

Abi you're just crying OBEY! OBEY!! OBEY!!! for no purpose?

Ọmọ if you're physically in something but mentally out i'm not o!

That was in the beginning...
Just had to please her...but not anymore

SIRTee15:
Travel to the and of beyond, then Go and argue with ancient jewish rabbi who died holding on to that belief.
Even the link u brought here admitted the verse could be about a messiah dying for the sin of the world.
I think we done here, the truth cannot be changed. u free to embrace it or reject it.

Now as regards Christ dying and resurrecting in 3 days- read hosea 6.1-2, let me open your eyes to another truth.

Hosea 6:1&2

1 Come and let us return to the Lord, for He has torn and He shall heal us; He smites, and He will bind us up.
2 He will revive us from the two days, on the third day He will set us up, and we will live before Him.


What should I see?

Bye bye.
Believe whatever you like...

MaxInDHouse:
Oya present any global organization that fits into that description or any religion that has ever been in history that fits into that description apart from Jehovah's Witnesses!

I don't know why you are so obsessed on being a member of an organisation.
Every body who is not a Christian which include Jehovah's witnesses, islam, al, obey and follow the Torah....that would be billions of people...we don't need to belong to a cult. We just obey it in our daily lives...

Krismas:
If you know Enlil well enough, you will agree he is the one also called Yahweh

In my own research, yaweh is one of the 70 sons of Enlil.

Yaweh is not the God of the jews...the jews reference the creator of the universe. That would be Marduk.

The simple answer to this question is that Jews interpret Isaiah 7:14 in the context of Isaiah 7 as a whole - starting from the first line and ending at the last line - and history as recorded in the Tanakh (what christians often call “the Hebrew Bible”) as a whole, while christians focus on the one verse - and often only one word within that verse.

Jews read Isaiah 7 from the beginning to end. Doing this, one finds that Isaiah is “talking” to Ahaz, King at the time, and making a “prophecy” for him.

If you read Isaiah 7 from beginning to end, you will discover (just as Jews do) that this is a sign for King Ahaz! In other words this is a VERY SPECIFIC prophecy for one person (Ahaz) and trying to fit it to another (Jesus) is deceit and nothing more.

And, in fact, the prophecy Isaiah made for King Ahaz in chapter 7 is fulfilled in Ahaz' lifetime. It has nothing to do with virgin births, or virgins, or the messiah. King Ahaz lived 700 years BCE.

Ahaz, the very king of Isaiah 7 for whom Isaiah is making the prophecy saw the rulers Rezin and Pekah destroyed - just as Isaiah prophesied in chapter 7: "the land whose two kings you dread, shall be abandoned." Isaiah 7:16.

The prophecy of Isaiah 7 is fulfilled in II Kings 16. Those two kings are indeed defeated as Isaiah foretold Read II Kings 16:5 "Then Rezin the king of Aram and Pekah the son of Remaliah the king of Israel, went up to Jerusalem to wage war, and they besieged Ahaz, but could not wage war [with him].. . "

What of the child who is to be born in Isaiah 7:14? The importance was not his birth (as christians focus on), but the fact that before the child was very old those two kings would be destroyed. Again, this is in the text: "Cream and honey he (the child) shall eat when he knows to reject bad and choose good.” Isaiah 7:15. By the time the child is eating solid food (not just breast milk) and knows the difference between good and bad behavior those kings will be gone.

Ask yourself: "Which lands of those two kings were abandoned during Jesus' lifetime"?

Ask yourself: "Which two kings did Jesus dread?"

The answers: None and none.

Jews know the background. King Ahaz is worried that he may be defeated by two kings and the prophet assures him that there is nothing to worry about. Read on: "Therefore, YHVH, of His own, shall give you a sign; behold, the young woman is with child, and she shall bear a son, and she shall call his name Immanu'el. Cream and honey he shall eat when he knows to reject bad and choose good. For, when the lad does not yet know to reject bad and choose good, the land whose two kings you dread, shall be abandoned." Isaiah 7:14-16

Jews know that Isaiah is talking to King Ahaz. Jews know that Isaiah is pointing to a pregnant young woman (in the room, as it were) and tells King Ahaz that before the unborn child is very old the two kings feared by Ahaz will be defeated. THIS is the prophecy. I could go into length to explain that the Hebrew is speaking of a pregnant woman, not a virgin who will have a child - but that is really not important. (That must be quite a shock to christians!) Virgins get pregnant all the time - and it is even possible for a virgin to get pregnant without intercourse. That is NOT the prophecy.

If the woman is about to give birth in front of Ahaz and Isaiah how can this be a prophecy about Jesus who would not be born for another 700 years?

Jews don’t focus on “almah”. Rather they also look at the words הָרָה harah and וְיֹלֶֽדֶת v'yoledet.

The word : וְיֹלֶֽדֶת / v'yoledet (the fourth word in the prophet's statement) is the feminine singular present participle of the root ילד (to give birth), and means "[she] is giving birth".

Jews see that Isaiah is saying literally: "she is about to give birth [at any moment]", and used the present participle to indicate immediacy.

The word after v'yoledet, i.e. בֵּן / bén, simply means "a son of."

Leaving , mistranslated as "virgin." (הָעַלְמָה ha-al'mah) untranslated, save for noting that the prefix ha- (which is normally the definite article "the" is being used here with poetic license in the sense of the demonstrative pronoun "that", lending emphasis to "that al'mah over there", i.e. the "al'mah" the prophet was pointing to as he spoke.

Isaiah was literally pointing out a pregnant woman to King Ahaz 700 years before Jesus.

In Isaiah 7:14, הָרָה is the adjective "pregnant." (not "will conceive". The words הִנֵּה הָעַלְמָה הָרָה mean "there [pointing to her] is a pregnant young woman". There is, not there will be.

By focusing on the word ha-al'mah (the young woman) christians obsess over the wrong word. The focus should be on the next word in the verse - הָרָה harah. It is easy enough to debunk the virgin birth "prophecy" claim of Isaiah without focusing on the word הָעַלְמָה ha-al'mah (the young woman).

But the status of the young woman in Isaiah 7:14 actually has nothing to do with the prophecy (whether she is a virgin, or not - pregnant or not - the focus of christian belief and the “new testament” statment). It is a side issue at best.

As far back as the first century of the common era Jews tried to correct christians on "virgin" in Isaiah 7. Justin Martyr (100 CE, so VERY EARLY christian) wrote in "Trypho the Jew" that Jews of his era said: "You (Jews) and your teachers venture to affirm that in the prophecy of Isaiah it is not said, 'Behold, the virgin shall conceive,' but, 'Behold, the young woman shall conceive, and bear a son."

Early christians admitted that the idea of a god born of a virgin or simply impregnated by a god without sex birth was not unique to Jesus. "we are not the only persons who have recourse to miraculous narratives of this kind. For some have thought fit, not in regard to ancient and heroic narratives, but in regard to events of very recent occurrence, to relate as a possible thing that Plato was the son of Amphictione, Ariston being prevented from having marital intercourse with his wife until she had given birth to him with whom she was pregnant by (the god) Apollo." [Origen (circa 185 CE) writing in Against Celsus 1, 37].

Various pagan gods had "virgin" mothers. Hephaestus (a Greek god) was
born to a goddess without her having sex (Appolodorus, The Library 1.3.5, 2d
century BCE and Hesiod, Theogony, 929, 8th century BCE).

You see, 2000 years ago most pagan gods were virgin births. Dionysius, Mithra, (the list goes on). Even Augustus Caesar (the first caesar) claimed to the product of a non-human (miraculous/godly) birth. Per the Romans a snake impregnated his sleeping mother and Augustus was born 10 months later. Per the Romans this "snake" was really the god Apollo, and Augustus Caesar was the son of Apollo.

Ergo christians (including the anonymous authors of Luke and Matthew) are making much ado about nothing.

Not one bit.

It would not matter if the word in Isaiah 7:14 were בתולה / b'tulah - virgin.

​The status of the woman (virgin or not a virgin) referenced in Isaiah 7:14 is actually totally unimportant in the context of Isaiah 7.

Even if Isaiah 7:14 had said "virgin" the choice of word is NOT prophetic of a virgin birth of The Messiah.

So the prophecy, if it is one, isn't that about a "virgin" birth. Rather, it's one about the soon-to-come overthrow of 2 kings that Ahaz fears.

This is one of christianity's main claims.

It's too bad that whoever wrote Matthew didn't know what the heck he was talking about. And that, as a result, christians have been misled for so long.

Audio miracles...

gohf:
then you who has understanding, take every Lord ever mentioned as your God as well

Meanwhile it's actually Deutronomy 6:4
Hear Israel, Jehovah our God, Jehovah is one.

You have understanding yet do you know what echad means

I know you will say it is a compound 1

My friend, it is not. There is only one God, creator of all. Jesus is a creation of the Roman empire...
He was created to deceive you...don't fall for it..

Isaiah 44:6/7
6. So said the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer the Lord of Hosts, "I am first and I am last, and besides Me there is no god

7. And who will call [that he is] like Me and will tell it and arrange it for Me, since My placing the ancient people, and the signs and those that will come, let them tell for themselves.

Isaiah 45:5
am the Lord, and there is no other; besides Me there is no God: I will strengthen you although you have not known Me

MaxInDHouse:
Tell me what your so called KNOWLEDGE has achieved among the adherents and i will tell you what God said about Jesus' true disciples in the Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4 and Micah 4:1-3

So if you don't see the BENEFITS the whole world can see it! Isaiah 48:17-18

Isaiah and Micah were talking about those who obey the Torah. Not those who practice idolatry...

So it can never ever refer to you or JW..

The devil is an idol...not a dual opposite of God..

To think so is just insulting.

There is just nothing that God created that he can't control...

Last time I checked, the devil is the moon.( The ruler of darkness).

Only in Christianity and islam you will find such a being and opposing God, which is part of the mockery of the Roman empire..which they copied from paganism.

MaxInDHouse:
Who defines logic here?
You or what is working out benefits everyone could see?

How is that crap beneficial..?

That was not an opening ceremony....that was a ritual. There was nothing sporty about any of it.
Does any body notice the pale horse? And the bull head on the wall

All to Enlil (Satan)...in plain sight.
They are just mocking us..

I am not watching anything...

MaxInDHouse:
Your PERSONAL opinion!

How those these stuff. You Post make any sense to you. Don't you think them through first and see if they are logical before class coming submit?

SIRTee15:
Guy rest, U don't know more than Jewish rabbi who said the same thing for over a thousand years.
The passage is about the Messiah who's coming to die for the sin of the world.

The Messiah is not coming to die for sins..

God has already given them a solution to the problem of sin. At it does not involve human sacrifice. Human sacrifice belongs to the realm of Lucifer.

The Messiah is an anointed king, just like David and Solomon. In short the Messiah will come from the line of David through Solomon. So it means whoever the Messiah is, he must have a father and mother....The Jews don't have demi gods as part of their religion. That is a Greek/Roman mythology...

The suffering servant is Israel.

obonujoker:
No.

Any human spirit that reject God is rebellious, just like Satan and other fallen angels

You still don't understand anything.
Let me explain.
We are all God's spirit dwelling within a physical body made from dust of the earth. We are all God's spirit experiencing life in multiple ways.

So the spirit returns to God who owns it, if it has not completed it's mission on earth, God can still send it again....in another body to do so...no matter how long it takes. Our duty is to fulfil the laws....

God can not send his spirit to hell, it does not make any sense...

Ken4Christ:
The souls of those who are not saved goes to hell.

But the spirit of those who are saved goes to heaven.

Thank God you are not him. Your mind is wicked.

Gods spirit+dust of the earth = a living soul.
Man is a soul made up of dust of the earth and God's breath(Gods spirit)

So what are you pulling out from your ass?

See Ecclesiastes 12:7

.7. And the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God, Who gave it.

What else??

SIRTee15:
Even the link u brought admit the passage could be about a Messiah who will die for the sins of the people , it only argued it's not Jesus Christ.

Look here I'm an open guy.
If U tell me Isaiah 53 isn't about Jesus, maybe I will listen to U and we can have a debate about it.

But to tell me isaiah 53 isn't about a Messiah who will die for the transgression of the world is being unnecessary obstinate and I will simply ignore U.

So where does it says the servant will die and ressurect after 3 days. If it is not there it is not about jesus my friend.
Like I said 8 times prior to chapter 53, Isaiah told you who the servant is...nobody died, the servant days will be prolonged, he will see his offspring. That does not look like jesus now, does it?


Why are you not seeing it..

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus used this parable to teach the Jews that God's purpose for mankind to live forever on Paradise earth {Psalms 37:29} is for all races so the Jews shouldn't assume that there is any extra blessing apart from everlasting life.

Regarding the timing of the workers this is the meaning:

From the time of Abel to Noah there were righteous people SERVING God.
From the time of Abraham to time of David, to the time of minor prophets, to the days of John the baptist, to the time of the early Christians, till our day.

The only promise God made for righteousness is everlasting life and nothing more.

But the first century Jewish religious leaders felt slighted they assumed something special should be given to Jews since they have been through all the laws unlike people of other nations who just came into the Abrahamic covenant through faith in the Messiah.

So instead of rejoicing with others that God is fulfilling His promises through Abrahamic covenant they got provoked claiming they're supposed to get something more than just the promise of everlasting life!

If you don't have something to do, you can just watch the Olympics...

All these that does not make an iota of sense is not helping your course...

obonujoker:
Rebellious Spirits go to hell to be with the devil after death, and obedient spirit remain with God in paradise, until the 2nd coming of Jesus who is coming to raise the bodies of dead believers and turn these bodies to glorious unfilthy body at the resurrection

Does God have a rebellious spirit ?

Daniel prophesied about it in 9:25.
The Roman empire will make mockery of the creator of heaven and earth.

But Mary is inanna(Lucifer, the so called queen of heaven) but Marduk and inanna are enemies...

I just wish that their eyes will be open soon. I pray for it everyday.

I keep asking the ones that come to my house, if there was really power in the name of Jesus, will the white man give it to you a kneeger?

Let me try..

In one of Jesus parables he told a story about a land owner who went out looking for labourers to work in his field. He found some in the morning, who he promised to pay 12 denarius, some in the afternoon for same payment and some in the evening for same amount...after the days work, he paired the ones who came in the evening 12d, the ones who came in the afternoon 12 d, when he came to does who worked the morning shift, they where expecting more, but they still got 12 d.As expected, they grumbled....
So, no matter when you encounter the jman. You will get the same price. I heard from a reliable source that osama bin ladin gave his life to Jesus before seal team 6 left the bullet in his forehead..I guess he is in some heaven now....
A heaven that exist in the head of the sheepie..
When we die our spirit returns to God and our body is buried to return to dust.
Ecclesiastes 12:7

So, who is correct?
MaxinDhouse or TenQ?

Ken4Christ:
Who said he did that?

You..
God made a man from the dust of the earth and breathed through his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living being..at death, God spirit returns to him and the body is buried for it to return to dust...just like Psalm 104:29-31 says..
See Ecclesiastes 12:7
What exactly goes to hell?

Ken4Christ:
Not all Pastor are genuinely called. And some of them don't even know the Christ they preach. This is why our Lord Jesus warned us to beware of false prophets. So, using them as an example doesn't hold water.

But you believe God sent Jesus to die..

So if the Roman government has ignored him, how was he going to die?

By suicide I guess...

Talk of insanity.

jaephoenix:
Christianity has dulled your brain. Are you aware Christians, even pastors have committed suicide. You think they didn't know suicide is a sin and leads to your hell?

Like Benson Idahosa

Ken4Christ:
From the evidences of the scripture. Here are a few evidences;

1 Man was created in the image and likeness of God. Since God is a Spirit, it means that the real man is also a spirit being. And since God is eternal, the spirit of man is also eternal.

2. The scripture says the blood of slained Abel cried out to God after he was killed by Cain his brother. It proves that though Abel was physically dead but his blood cried out to God. It means that he was still alive in the realm of the Spirit.

3. The death of Jonah. Jonah died in the belly of a fish. But the scripture said Jonah cried from the belly of hell. It means that his soul was alive and went to hell. He even narrated how he descended to hell.

4. The statement of Jesus concerning the patriarchs, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. They are tagged dead but Jesus quoted God as saying;

Mat 22:32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

5. The story of the rich man and Lazarus. They both died. One went to hell and the other to paradise or Abraham’s bosom This is a clear example that the afterlife is real.

6. Jesus died and rose again. If there is no afterlife, there would have been no more Jesus after he died. Jesus rose from the dead and he is alive forevermore.

1.Why would God send his spirit to hell?
2. Why would God send his spirit inside man?

So if Jesus had been executed by firing squad..he would have said..

"Remember the AK 47.."

Very funny.

There is only one God, creator of heaven and earth. There is nobody with him or besides him.
Satan is an Orisha. He is a principle in nature and not a type of god.
Satan is the Orisha of the wind. Please read the story of Job...

Satan is not a dual opposite of God. To think so is insulting. Satan is part of God's kingdom...he does only what God tells him to do. If a mighty wind blows and somebody dies, it is the will of God...

MaxInDHouse:
You're really an insane!

Go and convince the Jews that Moses wasn't a real human but they should believe the five books he wrote!

Lol...
You are a brain washed JW..
Just continue with that...

This info I am dropping is well over you.
Maybe in your next life,

But now, keep being a sheepie..

https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-that-Ezra-is-the-one-who-wrote-the-Torah?top_ans=231605533