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SIRTee15:
U mean the nation of Israel is the one cut away from the land of the living.
U means Israel bore the iniquities of Israel.
HE bore OUR iniquities.
Who is the he? and who are the our?

You are a joke..

What do the writers of the Tanakh think of Isaiah 53?
Your opinion doesn't count. Don't teach me nonsense.
Someone that doesn't know guilt offering, didn't know the difference btw sin and guilt offering wants to teach me old testament.
U must be joking.

Tell me what the 2nd temple Jews who compiled the tanakh understand about Isaiah 53.
Did they believe it's about Israel or about a Man.

Go and read it in context..forget the verses. It was not Isaiah that added them...

Small children plenty for this forum she..

Make una just go near mortuary for night.
Una small mind no fit carry am...

Death is just an illusion..nothing more. We are spiritual beings..living within a body made from dust of the earth..

Make una throwsy that una gospel and Paul fake letters to fake people...they are not scriptures.

I really don't know how letters somebody wrote to his confra group become "word of God"
Beats me

MaxInDHouse:
Your problem is seeing others as wrong when you failed to see your own folly!

This applies to you..not me

MaxInDHouse:
So if you find people living peacefully without picking up weapons against one another then they surely have laws guiding them but it's you who is deluded to the point of grasping that there is no way such could be possible without laws guiding them!

So you mean they have been brainwashed by GB not to take up arms.

And why are they not taking up arms?

Katcall:
who makes up the spirit?

Pure consciousness (God)

Creamypie:
na you no dey read bible. Nothing survives death of body

We are spiritual beings having a human experience...

We are spirits dwelling within a physical vessel made from dust.
"At death", our spirits leaves and the body dies. And is buried for it to return to dust
The spirit on the other hand returns to the spiritual realm...waiting for another opportunity to return (definitely in another body) and the circle continues...

Until you have fulfilled all the mitzvahs...
In which case you become like God, And achieve unity'. You can come from time to time to guide humanity to the right path, just like a certain prophet.
"Before you where formed in your mother's womb, I knew you"...

SIRTee15:
Ignorant man don't teach me nonsense....

Leviticus 6

The Lord said to Moses: 2 “If anyone sins and is unfaithful to the Lord by deceiving a neighbor about something entrusted to them or left in their care or about something stolen, or if they cheat their neighbor, 3 or if they find lost property and lie about it, or if they swear falsely about any such sin that people may commit— 4 when they sin in any of these ways and realize their guilt, they must return what they have stolen or taken by extortion, or what was entrusted to them, or the lost property they found, 5 or whatever it was they swore falsely about. They must make restitution in full, add a fifth of the value to it and give it all to the owner on the day they present their guilt offering. 6 And as a penalty they must bring to the priest, that is, to the Lord, their guilt offering, a ram from the flock, one without defect and of the proper value. 7 In this way the priest will make atonement for them before the Lord, and they will be forgiven for any of the things they did that made them guilty.”

Above sin doesn't look unintentional to me. It's very much INTENTIONAL.
Obviously U don't understand the concept of guilt offering.

Now answer my question
Why did God tell the Israelites to sacrifice animal blood for forgiveness of sin be it intentional or unintentional.

I am not God...
My point is that only animals was allowed..

Never a human being..

Human sacrifice is an abomination in the sight of God.

So if Jesus actually existed he was executed for his crimes..even if he were not, it is not the first time an innocent person will be executed...either way it is not an atonement..

SIRTee15:
Isaiah 53
But He was pierced for our transgressions,
He was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was upon Him,
and by His stripes we are healed

For He was cut off from the land of the living;e
He was stricken for the transgression of My people
cause he poured out his life unto death,

and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors.

Explain how these verses of Isaiah 53 apply to Jacob.
Explain when Jacob became an intercessor for people's sin.

When did Jacob bore the sin of many...

Somebody with half a brain will know those passages are all written in past continuous tense..meaning it is something that happened in the past and still happening ...there is no future tense... Isaiah is referring to the entire Jewish people as God usually referred to them in the singular...
You selecting some passages and ignoring others those not change that...

Read everything in context ..

https://www.nairaland.com/6612275/isaiah-53-why-suffering-servant

SIRTee15:
Finally, if trespass is forgiven without blood, why did God tell the Israelites to sacrifice animal blood for atonement of sin.
God gave them the commandment to follow. Shouldn't that be adequate for salvation according to U.
Why did God then have to instruct them to slaughter animals and use the blood for remission of sins.

Why didn't God tell them to just raise their hands in the air and seek forgiveness, why animal blood?

Remember we talking old testament now.

Animal sacrifice were for unintentional sins. A sin you committed but did not know it was a sin. In this case only your body committed the sin, not your mind. So an animal sacrifice is allowed. The animal must be less than 1 year old without blemish either goat or ram. NEVER A HUMAN BEING. And you have to be there when the animal is slaughtered, you have to confess the sin and promise to forsake it. Animals are not the exclusive means to obtain mercy, flour is also acceptable.For intentional sin, it does not work, because both your mind/spirit and body is involved....
Do you understand now?

SIRTee15:
Now let me start with U.
Explain Isaiah 53 to me...
Who is the suffering servant describe in Isaiah 53?

Hahahahhaa

Isaiah already told you 8 times prior to chapter 53.
See owner here.. Isaiah 45:4-5

For the sake of Jacob my servant,
of Israel my chosen,
I summon you by name
and bestow on you a title of honor,
though you do not acknowledge me.
5 I am the Lord, and there is no other;
apart from me there is no God.
I will strengthen you,
though you have not acknowledged me,

In 41:5-9 same thing.

So my friend, Jacob( who God renamed Israel) is God servant. At this time, they where in exile and suffering under the Babylonians...

I have a thread where I explained all these.

StillDtruth B.K.A Dtruthspeaker see how they are insulting you.
When will you ever realize that you need psychiatric help?
I will pay for the treatment, I have repeatedly said that....please do us a favor ..e joor, please....
Find out how much is required to take card in uselu psychiatric hospital...I will pay it...

Concerned Nigerian

Natbrowny:
Clear proof that Satan owns this world. That's why we pray.

Did He defeat God in a game of ludo or arm wrestling to claim it?

I guess you serve a weak god....

Where do people even get the idea that Satan does whatever he likes?
Satan get owner, he is like a dog that is owned by a farmer....when the farmer says come, he comes...wags his tail and he gets some treats..

No more no less...

MaxInDHouse:
LAWS?

Ọmọ what is the purpose of law?

I think that's where your problem is hiding from you because there's no need for laws if only one person exists in a place but it's when people are many that laws comes to mind and it's to help people cohabit peacefully so there's no sense in laws or commandments where the inhabitants can't cohabit peacefully!

Just tell me how people can live in peace without laws?

Those laws are the laws of existence, as long as you are a human being, you must keep them.
They are the rules of the game...

You don't get to the highest level of the game without keeping them..

So if you neglect them, you ain't started .

I sincerely doubt if you have read Genesis to Deuteronomy. Have you ?

SIRTee15:
Tell AntiChristian to come and say say so himself.
Don't speak for him.
This is his thread not yours.
Let him come here and say with his own mouth that gospel is corrupt. That the authors put those words in Jesus mouth.
AntiChristian has mouth, let him speak.
Allow him use his hand to destroy the nonsense thread he created.

What's the point?

SIRTee15:
All those your tatata human sacrifice blablabla, U go chop am.
Trust me U go chop all them back.
Enjoy for now, I no get your time today.

Today na AntiChristian go wash gutter with that his big non thinking mouth.
Tell him to come here and say the gospel is corrupt.

It is not corrupt...it is fiction.
The earlier you learn that..the better for you.

SIRTee15:
Pls if U not ready to help him answer the questions step aside and allow him carry his cross.
It's not like he asked U in the first place.

If U want to talk about the gospel, open another thread for that. Don't derail the topic.
Either answer the question or step aside.

I already did..

The authors of the Jesus story/myth did.
They put those words in the mouth of their super hero/protagonist...

What else do you want to hear...forgiveness is not believing in a human sacrifice it is sincerely repenting and forsaking of sin/evil ways...

So whatever the author said Jesus said is not worth anything...

MaxInDHouse:
The one who promised that imperfect humans will settle their disparities peacefully among themselves, divert their resources into production of food and information materials, stop the production, buying, selling and usage of weapons and vow never to raise weapons against anyone again. Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

Today you're reading what the Israelites wrote concerning the activities of their forefathers as they were being directed by a God but today you can't just think of a people who are doing something similar yet you want to argue that you're worshiping that same God who organized His worshipers back then!

He gave a commandment that his followers should keep..
You are not keeping them , how are you following him again...?
He gave the Jews his laws and they are supposed to be a light to the nations ..

You are disobeying the laws ...just exactly do you belong to him?

What is Egbe orun?

I am igbo...

Somebody should make it make sense .please

Plus1234:
guy you are ridiculously stupid. You just open your mouth against Christ? Followers of the cursed peodophile are shameless and stupid.Your terrorist founder is rotten and forgotten in hell.I strongly beleive you will eventually enter hell with "Had i know" .You blaspheme the Holy Spirit alot .You will perish in your sin and no remedy .Son of belial ,accursed follower of a vile religion.relegion that breeds 99℅ terrorists worldwide, religion that tries to copy the Torah and new testament. religion of evil.

You did not address any of his point..

StillDtruth:
See Madnesd even for simple thing like judgment again!

As i have always said, you muslims are mad people. Just stick to your koran!

You are really not well...

Is that how to join a conversation?

SIRTee15:
Since U want to be his advocate

Explain why Jesus said his blood is for forgiveness of sin
That's what I kept asking him and he couldn't answer.
So help him to answer.

Mat 26.28

For this is my blood, which confirms the covenant between God and his people. It is poured out as a sacrifice to forgive the sins of many.

Oya Mr advocate, the floor is yours.

This is what Jesus said about his death.....
Mark 10.45


For even the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve others and to give his life as a ransom for many.”

So Jesus said clearly that his death and blood is for redemption of mankind.

Now since U want to chook nose into what's not your business , help your pagan friend out.

I don't know why the authors wrote it ...knowing fully well that God hates human sacrifice and cannibalism in any form whether pretend cannibalism or real. I guess they borrowed them from mithraism... Christianity is just rebranded paganism if you ask me..

God was already forgiving people who sincerely repent.
I wonder why Catholics will introduce something else...

Ransome? Who asked for the ransome?
Who paid the ransome
Who received it..
Who was kidnapped?

I will need clarity..

You need to understand that's the gospel is just a theological fiction...God already gave us all we need in the Torah..

SIRTee15:
Pls don't derail this thread. I do t want that Muslim guy to hide under U.
He's about to be exposed.
If U have a problem with Jesus teaching, open another thread and let me know.

He has openly and continuously told you that both Paul and Jesus preached different things...you keep ignoring it...

Forgiveness does not involve human blood. But Paul said otherwise....

Why are you not seeing it.?

SIRTee15:
This is truth from Jesus own mouth. Let Jesus speak.

Jesus said 'This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.
Matthew 26.28

There's nothing that can save either in heaven or earth except the blood of Jesus.


Sin is building up like a stench on Muslims because they were deceived to think they can work out their way out of sin.

Save from what?
Did God not forgive , Ninevah when they accepted Jonah's message?
Was there any human sacrifice involved?

Human blood or sacrifice is an abomination in God's sight. The only God that accepted human sacrifice in Bible was a demon called Molech..maybe that's who you are referring to...
Not the creator of heaven and earth. What he needs is a contrite heart. 2nd chronicles 7:14.

MaxInDHouse:
There's no God's test all what the Bible say is a global family of peace loving worshipers doing God's will! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

If you're among them i will acknowledge you but if not then your god is not my God!

Who is your God?
Taz Russel I guess or the GB in Pennsylvania...

MaxInDHouse:
Were there pedophiles among God's people in ancient times?
YES or NO?

You're just stupid because there was never any law forbidding pedophilia in the Torah!

So instead of faithless arguments use your brain!

Really no law against pedophiles in Judaism...
I don't really know your specific kind of stupid, but I admire your commitment to it...

SIRTee15:
I'm not talking about God's law. I'm talking specifically about mosaic law.
Did Abraham obey the mosaic law.

U people are just jumping into this conversation and giving unnecessary expo

Let that Muslim guy come here and answer the question. Let him answer so I can use him to clean gutter.

Open another thread about the new testament if U have a problem with it. Pls don't derail this thread.

I created this thread sometimes ago, I think it will be sufficient for us to discuss the importance of the new testament or not.
Since Jesus is the principal figure in the Christian scriptures, it will suffice for us to discuss his importance to anybody..

Thank you..
FYI you can read my initial post on this thread.

SIRTee15:
the over 600 mosaic laws were summarised into those 2 commandments by Jesus! that's common knowledge
now answer my question. did the law exist b4 God gave moses the mosiac law?

There was the law of Maat
There is the code of Hamurappi..
There is also the metu neter....

The Torah was written much much later by Ezra and the priest when they returned home from the Babylonian exile....

SIRTee15:
I have to ask because u making mosaic law look like an eternal law that can never be replaced.
That's why I need to ask.
was there a law b4 God gave Moses the mosaic law.

Fornication is a sin. sin is separation from God.
if u love God with all your heart and might- the 1st greatest commandment; why do u want to do things that will separate u from God?

Is there anywhere God said somebody was coming to change his laws.
God's laws are forever.
You have to remember that Judaism and Christianity are two different religions.

It was the Catholics that stole the Jewish scriptures and added their bull shiit .books at the end of Malachi.

God's laws are for ever..anybody coming to change them are false prophets. And God asked them to stone the person. Deuteronomy 13..

soundofcalm:
The Pharisees said same thing about Jesus.

Maybe Jesus was created by someone like you...

What do you think?

People pray because it gives them some kind of comfort...or assurance.

Well, prayer is like begging.

I don't pray....

I decree(Gor ofor) and it is established.

I don't add "through christ" or in Jesus name" it spoils it.

I go to my creator directly just like he asked.
"DO NOT HAVE ANY OTHER GOD BEFORE ME" Exodus 20:5.
That means no intermediary or middle man

If you want your prayers answered never mention the name Jesus....try it in one week and thank me later, go directly to your creator.....

I thought I was the only one that noticed.
He is seriously sick. I really don't know what else to do
I promised him I will pay the bills for the treatment.
He lives in Benin I guess.

We have uselu psychiatric hospital.

I will pay for his treatment. I have volunteered since last year..

I was anxiously waiting for him .

He really needs help..I will help.
Please Dtruthspeaker reach out to me ASAP.

Thank you
Concerned Nigerian.

Sapasenator:
What mind. Dey play.

The eye of your mind...