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I have been receiving phone calls from Nigerian Motorists concerning the choice of engine oils solutions for their cars. It seems a lot of motorists are hurting over the noises emanating from their engines due to their use of the local oils. I dont have any oil that I can recommend right now except if Oando reverts to selling their synthetic oil in drums, or if Total introduces their latest oils sold in other markets to our motorists in the country. As for Forte oil, it is not advisable until they explain to us their oem approvals, their reason for selling obsolete oils. It is not only Forte that does that, Oando, Conoil, Total does the same too. I believe that if these oil packagers are selling API classified obsolete oils, then their so called current SN should be investigated. I was at the Olowu market in Ikeja today and all we see on the shelves of the shops are obsolete oils which mechanics and motorists buy with the belief that it must be good. In this Buhari recession, companies are selling obsolete oils to Nigerians and the Government is doing nothing about it. We shall soon focus on Mobil 1, the 0w40 and the 5w30 and see what they have to offer. But in the meantime, check the labels on the gallon of the oil that you want to put in your engine and read what they are claiming. In the medical parlance, you wont buy drugs meant for typhoid and treat your pneumonia symptoms. It is the same that we are facing right now in the automobile industry. Read well before use. Merry Christmas to all and have a safe trip this week. If you have a breakdown on the road, dont destroy your car the more by using adulterated oils on the road. Service your car with good quality oils and ensure that your tyres are temperature A rated and that you dont have any S rated tyre on your car. Please check before travelling..........

derock533:
BOSS, I HAVE A TOYOTA HIGHLANDER 2002(REGISTERED)...PLEASE I WISH TO KNOW THE BEST FLUIDS (TRANSMISSION, ENGINE AND AXLE) TO USE ON IT. I ALSO WANT TO KNOW THE BEST PLUGS TO USE. PLEASE I NEED YOUR ADVICE

I am sorry for the late reply. As you can see, I have been writing on the synthetic oils that we have in the country and it is a big surprise that we do not have quality oils for your car in the country except you buy the foreign oils. The transmission fluid is Toyota Type T1v, you can use the EP 90 or 140 series for the axle while the engine requires 5w30 SL. That will be difficult to find. I am afraid to recommend any engine oil made locally as we are still searching for the best alternative. As for your plugs, you dont need to change them if you are not sure that you will get the same plugs as per the number on the plugs.

You are overwhelmed seeing all of them together. They are all being taken care of. Dont forget that we are Rescue and Recovery Nigeria

http://www.api.org/certification-programs/engine-oil-diesel-exhaust-fluid/~/media/files/certification/engine-oil-diesel/publications/mom_guide_english_2013.pdf

You need to do this so that you do not waste time asking for the impossible from people whose hands are tied.

I have been laughing all day and it was amusing to be laughing. Thanks. If his hands are tied, he should resign and be loosed from his conscience. Selling Super Visco Static which is SG and obsolete and Super Visco 2000 which is an SL which is still current baffles me. Why cant Forte oil withdraw the SG to save the motorists the anguish of failed engines. In their greedy mind, they believe that they are making car maintenance affordable by offering oils classified as obsolete to our teeming motorists. I have not done any research on any oil and so wont be able to tell but from constant usage and reading about the oil trends, if you say your product is API SG and API says that oil is obsolete, there is no need to sell the oil. If Forte is still selling SG oil, then we should be mindful of the Visco 2000 which they claim is SL. If they can proudly sell API SG in 2016, then they can as well falsify the SL on Visco 2000. I went to Lanre Badmus in 2006 to ask about their Holts ATF. Their works director told me that I should take the oil as Dexron 2. Nothing to back it up. I went in pursuit of all the white can atf packagers and they were evasive. I went to Coscharis in the same 2006 asking why they should be bringing Abro Type A. They took me to their warehouse and claimed that itwas the popular demand for Abro that makes them import the fluid. It was the period they were also importing and selling the famous Jaguar used bikes (Okada). Now you see Abro with Dexron/Mercon sticker on the can. For me I believe it is the same fluid that is type A but the label has been changed. So it is with Super Visco 2000. If Forte oil can sell Super Static which according to API, is obsolete, and they sell Forte 10000 synth which is suitable for BMW LL01 which is API SJ while claiming to be SN and with OEM approval for General motors Diesel cars and not approved for GM gasoline cars, then their famous Visco 2000 which is API SL, that has destroyed many Honda transmissions is fake. It is not an SL. IF they can claim that their Visco 2000 is SL, let them tell us why are they selling synthetic oil that caters for only diesel brands of GM and not the Gasoline cars and why are they still selling an API classified obsolete oil? We want to know why, so that the Lub Manager for forte oil should be set free......

The current economic crisis has made a used range rover sport an expensive car. People are willing to pay over 4m for a 2006 naija used sport and there is no one willing to sell. With Elizade offering 15m for a new Corolla, it is hightime every proud owner take the maintenance of their range brand very serious. The use of substandard oil for your range is a sin. Use only recommended oil is the ideal thing to do. Merry Xmas to you all and thanks for making Range Rovers the ultimate brand. We are all executive directors and not the management and staff.

Nigerian Airforce vehicle engineering squadron, Agege motor road, after ikeja along, ikeja. Closing soon for Christmas and New year

Helpishere, thanks for making them lift the ban and restoring my post. Maybe the Ethiopian chat don finish. Like you rightly pointed out, Total does not have the right oil for even Peugeot cars that people are made to believe it is only Total oil or no oil.That said, we need to end the impunity in the industry. I spoke to the Forte lube Manager to withdraw Super Visco Static which is an API SG and which is obsolete or put a caveat on the gallon that this oil is not suitable for modern engines. He said it is not possible. That there are many older vehicles still in circulation and they use the oil but API states that the current oil can work perfectly with an older engine, so why produce SG and SL and sell both without telling us which vehicle will use the oil.

PSA Peugeot-Citroën Oil Specifications

Motor Oils

The French PSA group issued a set of oil specifications in 2009 in order to exercise greater control over the motor oils used in their vehicles. All specifications are based on ACEA specs but also require further conditions to be met.

PSA B71 2290
Peugeot/Citroën engine oil specification introduced in 2009. B71 2290 is a low-SAPS oil intended for engines with diesel particulate filters and with Euro 5 emission standards. General specifications are: ACEA C2 or C3 with additional PSA tests.
PSA B71 2294
Peugeot/Citroën engine oil specification introduced in 2009. Main specification: ACEA A3/B4 with additional PSA tests.
PSA B71 2295
Peugeot/Citroën engine oil standard for engine before MY 1998. General specification: ACEA A2/B2.
PSA B71 2296
Peugeot/Citroën engine oil specification introduced in 2009. General specifications: ACEA A3/B4 + additional PSA tests.
PSA B71 2312
Peugeot Citroën has developed B71 2312 standard for oils able to endure the most severe thermal constrains along with most modern after treatment systems compatibility. The PSA B71 2312 standard applies to all Peugeot and Citroën vehicles equipped with “BlueHDi” Diesel engines fitted with SCR (Selective Catalyst Reduction) allowing NOx (Nitrous oxides) treatment through the use of AdBlue® additive or so-called “diesel exhaust fluid”. The standard also requires improved cold flow properties to reduce hydrodynamic friction of the oil, in order to obtain fuel economy benefits especially when the oil is cold. This extra requirement for cold flow properties allows excellent oil flow at start up, faster oil pressure build up, faster revs raisings and faster operating temperature reach. This type of low viscosity lubricant allows fuel consumption reduction and therefore reduces greenhouse gases (CO2) emissions.

Thanks bros, that has been the intention but the ban that I have been facing is making me to believe that whoever is the moderator has sinister motives to be deleting my post every time I respond to the lion king. I will try it again and if it repeats itself, then I will know what to do.

Ikenna351:
I thought you even know something or little about Peugeot and their engines but this your post didn't even give room for that at all. I mean, it seems you have no clue whatsoever. Besides, you saying Peugeot cars are in extinction in Nigeria, including Peugeot 406, made me wondered if you actually live in Nigeria. Because if you really do, then know that that Nigeria didn't start and end in that state you live in. If I were a car dealer in Northern part of Nigeria, I would find that statement amusing.
Well, I really didn't and still do not want to change your perspective or your mission here, which seems more of negativity, but if you want to know my perspective, do this:
List out all the recommended engine oil brands and oil grades for the following Peugeot engines below:
1. XN engines.
2. Z engines.
3. XU engines.
4. TU engines.
5. EW engines (Including the 2 later EW engines).
6. THP engines.
7. DW engines.
8. HDI engines.
9. e-HDI engines.
10. VTi engines.
Etc.
Remember to also list out the Lion models with these engines, indicating that production years, to prove your case about the engine oils in them.
Also on each engine family, like EW engines, list out all EW engines, their production years and all engine oils recommended for them by Peugeot, like EW7J4, etc.
Or you can simply ignore all I posted above and carry on with your mission.
However, instead of criticizing Oil company A and B, what stops you from writing to them, explaining need for provision of specific oil grades you believed would serve the so called "modern engines" better? Better still, does it stop anyone or you importing those oil grades themselves and start making fortune from it? Aren't people bringing in Mobil engine oils and selling, even when they are available in Mobil stations in Nigeria?
Every subject has 2 sub-subjects: Positive and Negative. You either choose and focus on the positive sides of any subject you come across or choose and pushing against (negative). I believe some people reading this are realizing and focusing on business opportunities on this subject, rather than issues or criticism you seem to focus on.
Anyway, it called varieties. We can't all like or want same thing. I will just mind my own business. Carry on.
Ikenna, Lion King.

Oga Ikenna, I dont know much about the Peugeot, there is nothing to know that I believe I already dont know. All those engine types means nothing to this thread but the lubricant that the engines requires. I am not criticizing the local oil labels but trying to make them realize that motorists are now wiser. I have direct access with OANDO and TOTAL lubricants heads and we have been discussing the trend in the market especially OANDO and Forte. The major reason for this thread is to make us patronize our local oil labels. I have been buying Castrol and Mobil 1 USA and I was wondering why are we not buying local oil labels and we decided to investigate their claims. Forte oil lubricant manager was not willing to tell us more about the components of the Forte 10000 Synth. I called Mobil and they told me that the Lub guy is not in the office but he will get back to me. Total said that I should write the MD to obtain information from their Lub Manager. That said, I ran a lube bay with TOTAL in Zone 3, Abuja and so I worked on many Peugeot cars and also was privileged to service some of the vehicles of the Nigerian Customs service who were my neighbours. I remember that TOTAL were fidgeting about the 408, where they will get the oil to service the car and from the oil specifications of PSA Citroen, Q9000 cannot and is not suitable for use on newer Peugeot cars.
PSA Peugeot-Citroën Oil Specifications

Motor Oils

The French PSA group issued a set of oil specifications in 2009 in order to exercise greater control over the motor oils used in their vehicles. All specifications are based on ACEA specs but also require further conditions to be met.

PSA B71 2290
Peugeot/Citroën engine oil specification introduced in 2009. B71 2290 is a low-SAPS oil intended for engines with diesel particulate filters and with Euro 5 emission standards. General specifications are: ACEA C2 or C3 with additional PSA tests.
PSA B71 2294
Peugeot/Citroën engine oil specification introduced in 2009. Main specification: ACEA A3/B4 with additional PSA tests.
PSA B71 2295
Peugeot/Citroën engine oil standard for engine before MY 1998. General specification: ACEA A2/B2.
[b]PSA B71 2296
Peugeot/Citroën engine oil specification introduced in 2009. General specifications: ACEA A3/B4 + additional PSA tests.

The bolded is the oem specification for Total Q9000. The new generation of Peugeot cars uses the oil that TOTAL does not sell in Nigeria. Can you tell us which of the TOTAL oils has ACEA C2 or C3?



PSA B71 2312
Peugeot Citroën has developed B71 2312 standard for oils able to endure the most severe thermal constrains along with most modern after treatment systems compatibility. The PSA B71 2312 standard applies to all Peugeot and Citroën vehicles equipped with “BlueHDi” Diesel engines fitted with SCR (Selective Catalyst Reduction) allowing NOx (Nitrous oxides) treatment through the use of AdBlue® additive or so-called “diesel exhaust fluid”. The standard also requires improved cold flow properties to reduce hydrodynamic friction of the oil, in order to obtain fuel economy benefits especially when the oil is cold. This extra requirement for cold flow properties allows excellent oil flow at start up, faster oil pressure build up, faster revs raisings and faster operating temperature reach. This type of low viscosity lubricant allows fuel consumption reduction and therefore reduces greenhouse gases (CO2) emissions.
Where do you get your oil, Lion King? Is it Total or Esso?

Zoharariel:
Alhaji Sooperrescue, kindly counter Ikenna's post inorder to convince or confuse us the more on your topic, tanx!

Funny though. I am stunned to tell that I was restricted from commenting on this thread for two days by the moderator. Anyway, let me face the LION KING.

http://www.oilspecifications.org/psa_peugeot_citroen.php

PSA Peugeot-Citroën Oil Specifications

Motor Oils

The French PSA group issued a set of oil specifications in 2009 in order to exercise greater control over the motor oils used in their vehicles. All specifications are based on ACEA specs but also require further conditions to be met.

PSA B71 2290
Peugeot/Citroën engine oil specification introduced in 2009. B71 2290 is a low-SAPS oil intended for engines with diesel particulate filters and with Euro 5 emission standards. General specifications are: ACEA C2 or C3 with additional PSA tests.
PSA B71 2294
Peugeot/Citroën engine oil specification introduced in 2009. Main specification: ACEA A3/B4 with additional PSA tests.
PSA B71 2295
Peugeot/Citroën engine oil standard for engine before MY 1998. General specification: ACEA A2/B2.
PSA B71 2296
Peugeot/Citroën engine oil specification introduced in 2009. General specifications: ACEA A3/B4 + additional PSA tests.
PSA B71 2312
Peugeot Citroën has developed B71 2312 standard for oils able to endure the most severe thermal constrains along with most modern after treatment systems compatibility. The PSA B71 2312 standard applies to all Peugeot and Citroën vehicles equipped with “BlueHDi” Diesel engines fitted with SCR (Selective Catalyst Reduction) allowing NOx (Nitrous oxides) treatment through the use of AdBlue® additive or so-called “diesel exhaust fluid”. The standard also requires improved cold flow properties to reduce hydrodynamic friction of the oil, in order to obtain fuel economy benefits especially when the oil is cold. This extra requirement for cold flow properties allows excellent oil flow at start up, faster oil pressure build up, faster revs raisings and faster operating temperature reach. This type of low viscosity lubricant allows fuel consumption reduction and therefore reduces greenhouse gases (CO2) emissions.

Ikenna, please show us which of the TOTAL oil sold in Nigeria that meets these requirements?

Ikenna351:
There is wrong with your belief or perspective about engine oils you are judging. However, I hope and wish Peugeot owners don't visit this thread or apply what you recommend, for that will wreck their engines or manifest experiences they wont find funny.
I would suggest you go and study car brands, their engines and engine oils that work best in them. Basing your judgement on what some persons or bodies outside car manufacturing companies say about engine oils that are the best for all engines is very interesting and amusing to me.
Again, if you drive a Lion, stick to recommended oil brands and oil grades in your owners manual and or service book. Or you can choose whatever perspective that resonates with you. You have that choice. You always do.
Read the information from Peugeot, on picture I attached below.
Ikenna, Lion King.

Ikenna, the LION GUARD, it is funny to note that you have not come to terms with TOTAL oil's policy in Nigeria. According to the manual, it states use ACEA C2 in the first instance or use C3. Which of the TOTAL oils is C3 in Nigeria? Q7000 has a 5w30 among TOTAL oils stable, even Classic has a synthetic 5w20 and 30 in other markets and what do you get here? Q7000 is SL and 15w40. Which peugeot are they recommending the Q7000 SL for? Where are the 406s that was the inthing in the yesteryears? I was shocked when I saw Q5000 SN among TOTAL oil stables but what do we have here? SL. Even the classic that we ignorantly buy for our generators is destroying our gens because it is an SAE 40 and it is an OBSOLETE oil. Do you know that TOTAL sells transmission fluids dexron 6 and for CVTs in other markets? What do you get in Nigeria? Fluide 11d which is not even suitable for a 2001 Toyota. For your information, there are no lions in the wild anymore, they are now frolicking in the zoos. Without Government patronage, Peugeot is dead in Nigeria. And when you read about ACEA's classification, it states that the C2 and C3 are good oils, stable but not suitable for some engines. TOTAL does not have any ACEA C3 certified oil in Nigeria. Even the Q9000 0w30 that they just launched into the market is an SL. SL rated oil in the likes of Forte super visco 2000 is what they brought to the market in the form of Q9000 to deceive many motorists who will not look at the details on the gallon but buys it, believing that it is Q9000. Even the Q4x4 is also synthetic blend and they sell it to motorists who are using top of the range suvs that it is ideal for their vehicles. That brand needs to be picketed. They bring cars from France and sell us substandard recommended oils to destroy the cars. Lion King, merci beaucoup.

pannyman:
2 Saturdays ago I decided to give the Oando Syn oil a try due to the high cost of the green cap Mobil 1. I used it in my 99 Camry V6. So far, so good. Better fuel economy and the oil does not run short. Still monitoring it.

That is good to know. We are not talking about the suitability of the oil for your model of car, we are talking about their claims. The Oando SYN that I used in drums was not the same that I used and stopped using in 2015 in gallons. That is the issue about the oil. For a 1999 car, API recommends that the current oil is able to render full protection to an older engine. We used it in a 2007 Toyota Camry and the oil dried up completely. The owner of that Camry is online and can testify. No leakage, just dried up and he later used a conventional oil.

Be wary of the engine oil that you put in your range rover. I recommend Castrol edge extended performance, advanced full synthetic and not the one sold by Eterna oil.

Been busy searching for the castrol edge professional 5w20 on Castrol website and the oil is no where to be found. The only one who can post thr picture is castrollubeng who is also on Nairaland. Please show us your 5w20 castrol edge professional. Thanks and happy Sunday to all motorists

Motorists should be wary of the Castrol edge professional 5w20 sold by Eterna oil. It is an SL and Ilsac 3 . It is OBSOLETE according to ILSAC and therefore not to be used on any modern vehicle. The castrol edge professional is from the South African market and therefore it's not suitable for the Nigerian motor industry which is more tilted to the North American motor industry. Pictures later

b2212:
@ the bolded. easy on such statements except you got proof.

I appreciate your concern and yes I have proof. I have bought over 1000 litres of oando oleum syn in drums from Oando and i can testify that the oil in drum was excellent, no oil shortage, lower rpm, that even a client with a pathfinder in lagos was complaining that the rpm was too low, better fuel economy, that a client with a 2007 v6 honda accord in abuja confessed that since he used the oil, his fuel consumption has reduced, and another client with a 2005 highlander in Benin was only concerned about the availability of the oil when the car is due for service after six months. That was the oando oleum syn in drums. Try the so called oleum syn in gallons and you will agree with me that something is wrong. I was recommending the oil to many people based on the experience of using the drums but the gallons are something else. You top the oil every week or the oil dries up. And according to Acea, C10 is good, stable but not suitable for some engines. That is what oleum syn is.

Be on the lookout, get good oils for your engines. Which oil is not ideal for your vehicle? Point it out....

OANDO Oleum Syn

OLEUM Syn
Ultra High Performance Passenger Car Synthetic Engine Oil
VISCOCITY GRADES: SAE VG 5W/40
Oleum Syn is a premium, fully synthetic motor oil scientifically formulated with global ultimate active cleansing technology. It works harder to protect than conventional motor oils by continuously helping to prevent dirt and sludge from building up. For better responsiveness and improved performance, enabling your engine to operate at its full potential right up to the next scheduled oil change. Oleum Syn helps to minimise engine noise, and conditions and protects engines from the extra stresses of driving in modern start-stop traffic conditions. Oleum Syn is for performance motoring, and it rejuvenates and refreshes your engine
It is formulated to meet the latest API (American Petroleum Institute)
SN; ACEA C3-10(2010); PORSCHE A40; BMW LONGLIFE-04 and MB-Approval 229.51 specification
Good oil, better fuel economy, lower rpm. From what we can read on the OEMs, it has the approval of MB 229.5, better than TOTAL Q9000 and far better than Forte 10000. They also claim BMW long life 04. On BMW, it is better than Mobil 1 sold locally, TOTAL Q9000 and Forte 10000 synth as these oils are still on BMW LL01 which is for 2002 BMW. And it is an SN but not ILSAC 5 compliant. But there is a little important problem, the packaging process of the oil is compromised and as such it has turned into a destructive force. It has become a nightmare to motorists who ignorantly uses the oil. And the ACEA 3-10 badge makes it unsuitable for some engines or rather for some vehicles. If the production process is compromised and the oil is not suitable for some engines, OANDO Oleum Syn is Suitable for Nothing.

anneki:
Have you done a chemical test on Mobil 1 sold in petrol stations and Total Quartz 9000? Would be interesting to know what forms your present position that Quartz 9000 is far from Nigerian Mobil 1.

Good question. From my little experience, Mobil 1 0w40 is not in the same category as the Q9000 sold in Nigeria. I pasted one of the few Q9000 that is ILSAC 5 compliant and that oil is not sold in Nigeria. It will interest you to know that TOTAL Classic and Q5000 also has SN and full synthetic rated oil but they sell to Nigeria Classic SAE 40 to take care of my 1979 Renault 18 when they are fully aware that it is obsolete. I have never done any chemical test on any oil but from continuous usage and at every six months of service, the sludge in an engine with Total q9000 is more than the sludge in an engine with Mobil 1 0w40. Even on a BMW, Benz and Range Rovers, you get the same result. The Mobil 1 0w40 has the 229.5 OEM approval for Mercedes while Total q9000 has the 229.1 and 3 minimum quality approval. Specifications and Approvals
Mobil 1 0W-40 meets or exceeds the requirements of:
API SN, SM, SL, SJ X
ACEA A3/B3, A3/B4 X
Nissan GT-R X


Mobil 1 0W-40 has the following builder approvals:
MB-Approval 229.3 X
MB-Approval 229.5 X
BMW LONGLIFE 01 X
VW 502 00/505 00 X
PORSCHE A40 X


According to ExxonMobil, Mobil 1 0W40 is of the following quality:
API CF X
VW 503 01 X
SAAB X
OPEL Long Life Service Fill GM-LL-A-025 X
OPEL Diesel Service Fill GM-LL-B-025 X
FIAT 9.55535 - M2 X
FIAT 9.55535 - N2 X
FIAT 9.55535 - Z2

The Q9000 future 5w30 that is ILSAC complaint has the older GM6094m and as the name implies, the oil is the future from Total stables to Nigeria, maybe in 2050. Mobil 1 0w40 is listed in VW oil companies list while Total is not listed yet they add the OEM approval on their label. And to cap it up, I once took a lady's range rover sport and serviced it with TOTAL 9000. On returning the car to her, I showed her the remaining two litres and she was livid, claiming that I want to destroy her engine. Thirty minutes later, a mechanic from Coscharis rode down in a Motorbike and drained the oil in my presence and used Mobil 1. End of Story.

Total Q9000 is not near the quality standard of mobil 1 at least from my interim report. Mobil 1 0w40 can be found on major oem list while total is not listed especially vw. Gazzuzz and autotrader2 are both sellers of the real usa mobil 1. You can use Castrol gtx 5w 30 too.

Christmas holiday is here and everyone is looking for range rover sport. Getting one to fulfill your desires needs expert Advice. For those of us who already own one, please dont manage your air suspension, change the ballon as soon as it starts giving issues. The air compressor is becoming out of reach, too expensive to buy now. And be mindful of the spark plugs that you fit in your range. If it is not range rover approved, it is not good to buy it.

MurphyG1:
Thanks sooperrescue
Please i need your urgent advise on this..
I recently purchased an engine for my BMW 3 series E46. Infact we are yet to test drive it. But its sounding very fine and its stable. Its a direct tokunbo and the engine oil is still looking nice. On the engine there is a sticker recommending Mobil 1 (I guess thats why the oil is still looking good). Now my worry is there are so many fake Mobil. My mechanic is recommending Total Q7000.. My mind is tilting towards Q 9000 but considering the cost (I need 4L x 2 = 8L).. Should I go for the Q7000 which is (synthetic based according to TOTAL) or Stick to Mobil 1, or manage and go for Q 9000.
*the engine has no sludge at all.. its so clean..*

Since you were able to purchase a new engine for your car, try and follow the manufacturer's specs. Mobil 1 that Bmw referred to is not the one sold in Nigeria. It is the usa version. Bmw recommends either Castrol or Mobil 1. Dont go near those outdated synthetic blend oils. There are sellers of the real Usa Mobil 1 on Nairaland and it is in your best interest to protect your investment. If your car is above my2002, dont even use q9000 talkless of Q7000.

adanny01:
This is another chapter you have opened.
Most ATF oils sold by these major marketers are Dexron II and it surprises me. Honda in particular does not like anything less than Dexron III. people always say Honda has gear problems but people dont know its the type of oil used that causes the damage. Last time i replaced ATF in one Honda, i looked for Dexron III in Oando and Total Filling stations in the entire Jos town to no avail.
This thread needs to go front page.

That is the dilema we are facing in the country. No standards. I wonder how they feel deceiving us. The other day, an Oando Marketing staff was boasting that Dexron 11 was their fast selling product and i asked, in 2016? Imagine gearboxes that have been destroyed The transmission fluid that I used in my 1979 Renault 18 in Paris in 1990 is what Total is still selling to Nigerians. And no government agency to tackle them. I guess we have to invite the Consumer protection council into this matter.

anneki:
That's nearly 6 cars every day for 5 years. You have been busy!

Not anymore. We used to service over 15 cars a day when i was working at Total zone 3 in abuja and with Oando in seven locations across Nigeria

[quote author=b2212 post=51484105]even mobil xhp carries an older s classification That is the problem we have on our hands. We dont need any Sl rated oil in the country. Total has Sn on 20w50, even they have classic as 5 w 30 full synthetic but they sell classic sae 40 in Nigeria which is obsolete. Since the current oil can offer maximum protection to older engines, why are they still selling the old and useless oils.

It is there and it can easily be googled. Most of these claims are from first hand experiences having done over 10000 oil changes in five years

According to Api, any current oil spec is very suitable for the older spec that it replaces. If the current 20w 50 is sm, why do we need sj, sl, and all the dead oils? Nothing prevents a vehicle made in 1990 to use SM rated oil. We wonder why Total and forte will have as oem specs, Bmw LL01 as one of the approved oils for cars built in 2002 and it is an api Sj. How can an oil with SN be specifically claimed to be compatible with GM diesel engines only while other foreign oils are gasoline complaint or both? I believe that the time to boycott these oils is now to save us from further economic woes. It is these same companies that are proudly selling dexron 11 and 111, an oil that have been taken ovet by events 11 years ago and because these companies are ignorant of the trends in the oil market, motorists are wasting money because they assume that the Goverment is protecting them by ensuing that they meet the current standards. For all those oil companies selling dexron 11 and 111 in 2016, please go bankrupt and save Nigerian motorists the stress of parting with their hard earned money to replace the vehicles transmission. Enough is enough.

Conoil and Mrs don't sell synthetic oils or rather the synthetic oils are no where to be found. But Conoil golden super is an sae 40 and therefore is OBSOLETE. Our next focus is on Oando Oleum syn which was the new kid on the block years ago but it is now suitable for nothing.

[size=8pt]WHICH OIL IS RIGHT FOR YOU?

MotorOilMatters.org
The API Certification Mark,also known as the “Starburst”

An oil displaying this mark meets the current engine protection standard and fuel economy requirements of the International Lubricant Specification Advisory Committee (ILSAC), a joint effort of U.S. and Japanese automobile manufacturers. Automobile manufacturers recommend oils that carry the API Certification Mark. See the ILSAC STANDARD FOR PASSENGER
CAR ENGINE OILS chart on the next page for descriptions of current and obsolete ILSAC standards.

The API Service Symbol, also known as the “Donut”
1. Performance Level
Motor oils designed for cars, vans, and light trucks with gasoline engines fall under API’s “S” (Service) categories. Motor oils designed for heavydutytrucks and vehicles with diesel engines fall under API’s “C” (Commercial) categories. Please see the Gasoline Engines and Diesel
Engines charts on the next pages for descriptions of current andobsolete API service categories.
2. Viscosity Grade
The measure of an oil’s ability to flow at certain temperatures. Vehicle requirements may vary. Follow your vehicle manufacturer’s
recommendations on SAE oil viscosity.
3. Resource Conserving and Energy Conserving
These designations apply to oils intended for gasoline-engine cars, vans,and light trucks. Widespread use of “Resource Conserving” or “Energy
Conserving” oils may result in an overall savings of fuel in the vehicle fleet as a whole.
4. Multiple Performance Levels
Oils designed for diesel engine service might also meet gasoline engine service. For these oils the designation is “C” category first followed by
the “S” category. “C” category oils have been formulated primarily for diesel engines and may not provide all of the performance requirements
consistent with vehicle manufacturers’ recommendations for gasoline fueled engines.
5. The API Service Symbol with CI-4 Plus
The “CI-4 PLUS” designation identifies oils formulated to provide a higher level of protection against soot-related viscosity increase and viscosity
loss due to shear in diesel engines. When originally introduced, CI-4 PLUS identified CI-4 oils meeting a higher level of performance. CJ-4 oils
include all CI-4 PLUS performance requirements. CI-4 PLUS appears in the lower portion of the API Service Symbol “Donut.”
GET MORE FROM YOUR MOTOR OIL.
Follow your vehicle manufacturer’s oil change recommendations. This includes using recommended SAE oil viscosity and ILSAC or API performance standard. If you find it necessary to mix brands of oil, use same viscosity grade and API service category to maintain performance.
Ask for API licensed oil whenever you have your oil changed.
Look for API Certification Marks every time you buy motor oil. For more information visit MotorOilMatters.org. Learn about chemical additives in motor oil at AmericanChemistry.com

API’s Certification Mark and Service
Symbol identify quality motor oils for gasoline and diesel-powered vehicles. Oils displaying these marks meet performance requirements set by U.S. and international vehicle and engine manufacturers and the lubricant industry. More than 500 companies worldwide participate in this voluntary program, which is backed by a marketplace sampling and testing program.

ILSAC STANDARD FOR PASSENGER CAR ENGINE OILS
Name Status Service

GF-5 Current Introduced in October 2010, designed to provide improved high temperature deposit protection for pistons and
turbochargers, more stringent sludge control, improved fuel economy, enhanced emission control system compatibility,
seal compatibility, and protection of engines operating on ethanol-containing fuels up to E85.
GF-4 Obsolete Use GF-5 where GF-4 is recommended.
GF-3 Obsolete Use GF-5 where GF-3 is recommended.
GF-2 Obsolete Use GF-5 where GF-2 is recommended.
GF-1 Obsolete Use GF-5 where GF-1 is recommended.
GASOLINE ENGINES (Follow your vehicle manufacturer’s recommendations on oil performance levels)
Category Status Service
SN Current Introduced in October 2010, designed to provide improved high temperature deposit protection for pistons, more
stringent sludge control, and seal compatibility. API SN with Resource Conserving matches ILSAC GF-5 by combining
API SN performance with improved fuel economy, turbocharger protection, emission control system compatibility, and
protection of engines operating on ethanol-containing fuels up to E85.
SM Current For 2010 and older automotive engines.
SL Current For 2004 and older automotive engines.
SJ Current For 2001 and older automotive engines.
SH Obsolete OBSOLETE: For 1996 and older automotive engines.
SG Obsolete CAUTION: Not suitable for use in most gasoline-powered automotive engines built after 1993. May not provide
adequate protection against build-up of engine sludge, oxidation, or wear.
SF Obsolete CAUTION: Not suitable for use in most gasoline-powered automotive engines built after 1988. May not provide
adequate protection against build-up of engine sludge.
SE Obsolete CAUTION: Not suitable for use in most gasoline-powered automotive engines built after 1979.
SD Obsolete CAUTION: Not suitable for use in most gasoline-powered automotive engines built after 1971. Use in more modern
engines may cause unsatisfactory performance or equipment harm.
SC Obsolete CAUTION: Not suitable for use in most gasoline-powered automotive engines built after 1967. Use in more modern
engines may cause unsatisfactory performance or equipment harm.
SB Obsolete CAUTION: Not suitable for use in most gasoline-powered automotive engines built after 1951. Use in more
modern engines may cause unsatisfactory performance or equipment harm.
SA Obsolete CAUTION: Contains no additives. Not suitable for use in most gasoline-powered automotive engines built after 1930.
Use in modern engines may cause unsatisfactory performance or equipment harm.
The current and previous ILSAC standards and API Service Categories are listed here. Vehicle owners should refer to their owner’s manuals before
consulting these charts. Oils may have more than one performance level.
For automotive gasoline engines, the latest ILSAC standard or API Service Category includes the performance properties of each earlier category and can be used to service older engines where earlier category oils were recommended.
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Multigrade oils such as SAE 5W-30 and 10W-30 are widely used because, under all but extremely hot or cold conditions, they are thin enough to flow at low temperatures and thick enough to perform satisfactorily at high temperatures. Note that vehicle requirements may vary. Follow your vehicle manufacturer’s recommendations on SAE oil viscosity grade.
If lowest expected outdoor temperature is 0°C (32°F) –18°C (0°F) Below –18°C (0°F)
DIESEL ENGINES (Follow your vehicle manufacturer’s recommendations on oil performance levels)
Category Status Service
CJ-4 Current For high-speed four-stroke cycle diesel engines designed to meet 2010 model year on-highway and Tier 4 nonroad
exhaust emission standards as well as for previous model year diesel engines. These oils are formulated for use in all
applications with diesel fuels ranging in sulfur content up to 500 ppm (0.05% by weight). However, the use of these oils
with greater than 15 ppm (0.0015% by weight) sulfur fuel may impact exhaust aftertreatment system durability and/or
drain interval. CJ-4 oils are especially effective at sustaining emission control system durability where particulate filters
and other advanced aftertreatment systems are used. Optimum protection is provided for control of catalyst poisoning,
particulate filter blocking, engine wear, piston deposits, low- and high-temperature stability, soot handling properties,
oxidative thickening, foaming, and viscosity loss due to shear. API CJ-4 oils exceed the performance criteria of API CI-4
with CI-4 PLUS, CI-4, CH-4, CG-4 and CF-4 and can effectively lubricate engines calling for those API Service Categories.
When using CJ-4 oil with higher than 15 ppm sulfur fuel, consult the engine manufacturer for service interval.
CI-4 Current Introduced in 2002. For high-speed, four-stroke engines designed to meet 2004 exhaust emission standards implemented
in 2002. CI-4 oils are formulated to sustain engine durability where exhaust gas recirculation (EGR) is used and are
intended for use with diesel fuels ranging in sulfur content up to 0.5% weight. Can be used in place of CD, CE, CF-4,
CG-4, and CH-4 oils. Some CI-4 oils may also qualify for the CI-4 PLUS designation.
CH-4 Current Introduced in 1998. For high-speed, four-stroke engines designed to meet 1998 exhaust emission standards. CH-4 oils
are specifically compounded for use with diesel fuels ranging in sulfur content up to 0.5% weight. Can be used in place
of CD, CE, CF-4, and CG-4 oils.
CG-4 Obsolete OBSOLETE: Introduced in 1995. For severe duty, high-speed, four-stroke engines using fuel with less than 0.5% weight
sulfur. CG-4 oils are required for engines meeting 1994 emission standards. Can be used in place of CD, CE,
and CF-4 oils.
CF-4 Obsolete OBSOLETE: Introduced in 1990. For high-speed, four-stroke, naturally aspirated and turbocharged engines. Can be used
in place of CD and CE oils.
CF-2 Obsolete OBSOLETE: Introduced in 1994. For severe duty, two-stroke-cycle engines. Can be used in place of CD-II oils.
CF Obsolete OBSOLETE: Introduced in 1994. For off-road, indirect-injected and other diesel engines including those using fuel with
over 0.5% weight sulfur. Can be used in place of CD oils.
CE Obsolete CAUTION: Not suitable for use in most diesel-powered automotive engines built after 1994.
CD-II Obsolete CAUTION: Not suitable for use in most diesel-powered automotive engines built after 1994.
CD Obsolete CAUTION: Not suitable for use in most diesel-powered automotive engines built after 1994.
CC Obsolete CAUTION: Not suitable for use in most diesel-powered engines built after 1990.
CB Obsolete CAUTION: Not suitable for use in most diesel-powered engines built after 1961.
CA Obsolete CAUTION: Not suitable for use in most diesel-powered engines built after 1959.
SAE VISCOSITY GRADES: PASSENGER CAR MOTOR OIL
Typical SAE viscosity grades for passenger cars
0W-20, 0W-30, 5W-20, 5W-30, 10W-30, 10W-40, 20W-50
0W-20, 0W-30, 5W-20, 5W-30, 10W-30, 10W-40
0W-20, 0W-30, 5W-20, 5W-30

One of the few TOTAL Q9000 that is ILSAC 5 compliant. You will never find it in Total outlets in Nigeria. But it is still not compliant with GM 2 dexos but better than the junk oils being packaged by the local oil labels.
Automotive
Market Segments
Cars
Applications
PCMO
Brand Name
TOTAL
Viscosity Grade
5W-30
Auto Benefits
Fuel eco
QUARTZ 9000 FUTURE XT 5W-30
Particularly well-suited for use with the latest "Downsized" engines equipped with Stop & Start technologies and hybrid engines these oils are able to service a wide scope of engines thanks to the API and ISLAC sequences. Help to generate fuel savings without the need to change driving style and also suitable for the most demanding driving conditions (door-to-door, sporty driving styles, repeated start-ups, city and motorway driving). Meets all of the performance levels claimed by brands such as HONDA, TOYOTA and MITSUBISHI in relation to environmental standards.

Description
Norms & Homologations
International classifications

API SN - ILSAC GF-5

Manufacturers specifications

GM 6094M

WSS-M2C 946-A

Product description
QUARTZ 9000 FUTURE XT 5W-30
Particularly well-suited for use with the latest "Downsized" engines equipped with Stop & Start technologies and hybrid engines, these oils are able to service a wide scope of engines thanks to the API and ISLAC sequences. Help to generate fuel savings without the need to change driving style and also suitable for the most demanding driving conditions (door-to-door, sporty driving styles, repeated start-ups, city and motorway driving). Meets all of the performance levels claimed by brands such as HONDA, TOYOTA and MITSUBISHI in relation to environmental standards.