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RedboneSmith:
Wait. I just tried to research these names, and I think you're trying to pull a hood over my eyes. The Kue part of most of them doesn't have anything to do with "agree", "allow" or "permit" which is what kue means in Osakue and what kwe means in Osakwe and all the Kwe names I have listed.

So it appears you have not been able to present me with another Edo name that follows the pattern under discussion.

Except for Ehikue. Incidentally, this name too exists in Ika as Ehikwe. 😂

While the ehi prefix is without doubt borrowed from Edo, I will argue that in the Ika area it was grafted unto a long-existing kwe name pattern of Igbo origin and then reborrowed by the Edo as Ehikue.

I am from Edo and i speak Edo language. And you know what i think about your rejoinder...a joke!

If arguing my language with me is what you can come up with, then you aren't worth the onions anymore to deserve my attention.


Get an Edo-speaking person to tell you the meaning of those names up there and stop messing around.

All these benefits/royalties/wastages are the reasons the political elites and their appointees will rather die than see Nigeria change this system of using Nigeria's commonwealth to serve themselves.

After all the insecurity in the land that has left thousands dead, some people still get royal benefits for failing to do their job.

RedboneSmith:
The fact that you cannot come up with many (as I and many Igbos easily can) demonstrates that it is significantly less common than kwe names in Igbo. If I wanted I could go on and on. I could draw up my friend list on Facebook right down and come up with tens and tens of Igbo people with kwe names.



You yourself have not brought evidence that Osakwe was borrowed from Benin. Kwe is a bonafide Igbo word. Osa, Ose, Olisa, Olise may have ultimately been borrowed but it was integrated into Igbo cosmology, and the name could have been sourced from that native cosmology that had already absorbed Osa, without having to import the name wholesale from the Edo. Osejindu, Osemeke, Oseloka, Akaosa, Nwosa, etc. Were these names also borrowed from Edo because they possess the Osa prefix?

BTW, if we choose to follow this Osa argument to its logic conclusion, the origin may ultimately point to Yoruba, rather than Edo, origin. But let's not even go there. It would be unnecessary digressing.


I don't do this core Igbo/non-core Igbo nonsense. My close friend from Agukwu-Nri goes by the name of Oseloka.


Chukwukwe and Chikwe are well-used names among the Igbo. Now the Igbo communities who also used Orisa/Olisa and its contracted form, Osa, simply swapped out the Chi/Chukwu to get names like Orisakwe, Olisakwe and Osakwe.



It is not merely a spelling difference. Pronunciation is also different.
Ku-e and kwe are not pronounced the same. Edo doesn't have a kw sound. Saying this does not negate them being cognate, of course. But they are NOT pronounced the same way, and neither group borrowed kue/kwe from the other.

How many names did you list in your examples and how many did i give you? You asked for more and i gave you more.
Please go on and on and bring more examples and not just say it.

You admitting that "Osa" was borrowed and then refusing to see for yourself were it must have been borrowed from says a lot about the objectivity of your argument.

Ose/Osa or whatever variants of the word are all borrowed by igbo from Edoid speaking groups.

Saying igbo borrowed these words from other tribes and integrated it into their languages doesn't take anything from the igbos but the obvious has to be said.

There are also borrowed words in Edo language of igboid origin. This is just cultural influence and cultural acclimatization.

And your last paragraph trying to tell us that kue and kwe are pronounced differently reeks of someone desperately grasping at revisionism.

RedboneSmith:
How many Kue names exist among the Edo? I'm just asking for enlightenment purposes, as I have not heard any other one apart from Osakue. Can you make a little list, if you can?

But Kwe names are very typical among the Igbo:
Anikwe - If the Earth deity agrees
Uwakwe - If the world agrees
Mbakwe - If the community or town agrees
Ohakwe - If the public agrees
Agbarakwe - if the deity agrees
Ezekwe - if the Eze agrees (I don't like translating eze as king, as that is not what it originally meant)
Nzekwe - if the titled man agrees
Umunnakwe - if the kindred agrees
Igbokwe - if the community agrees

And the list just goes on....

Even if we accept the argument that 'osa' was originally derived from the Edoid, it was simply grafted unto a typical Igbo name structure.

Saying that Osakwe was borrowed from the Edoid is like saying Ijesurobo was borrowed from Latin. Ijesu is derived from the Latin name for Jesus, which is Jesu. But it was grafted unto an Edo naming pattern. You can actually observe other Edo names like Osarobo, Oghenerobo and Obarobo, which follow the same pattern. Osakwe follows a demonstrably Igbo name pattern.

How many other Edo names follow the Osakue pattern? It would be pretty telling if there were many Edo people bearing Obakue or Oghenekue for instance, but I don't think there are. (Feel free to correct me.) If other names of that pattern don't exist in Edoid or are not common in Edoid, then it will even be tempting to reach the conclusion that Edo Osakue was influenced by Igbo Osakwe, despite the 'osa' element possibly being originally an Edo loan.

Just as there are many "kwe" names in igbo are there "kue" names in Edo.

Here is a list i can remember but there are so many others.

Osamakue
Ikuenobe
Ehikue
Iyalekue.


Now i repeat Osakwe is of Edoid origin, it is very obvious unless you can bring proof otherwise.

The core igbo speaking people do not use "osa" in their names. This "Osa" prefix/suffix is predominantly being used by the Edo speaking people.

If it was "chi" or "chukwu" , i bet no one will argue this. I would expect to hear Chukwukwe if it was an igboid name.

That some people are bearing Osakwe instead of Osakue doesn't make the name igboid. Its just spelling differences and doesn't change a thing.

Now let's take a deeper look into the name "Osakwe"

Looking at this name, every good student of Nigerian culture and language will recognize the name is of Edoid origin and not igboid.

First the prefix "osa" is mainly used by Edoid groups in their names especially those who speak Edo language and it means God. Hence majority of those in Nigeria whose names begin or end with "osa" are from Edo state or speak an Edoid language.

On the other hand igbos and igboid group uses the prefix "Chi" and "chukwu" in their names as their own prefix and it also means God. So you find many igbo names with like Chidinma, chukwudi, Chinonso etc.

This gives another perspective on the origin of that name. Everything is not arguement, just learn and move on.

ariesbull:
I speak Benin and there is nothing like Kue in Benin language


What we have us Gue ....Osagie , Osague and noting like Osakue


No dey lie

Its of no use educating your ignorance. But we hope one day you will have outgrown this phase of arguing ignorantly on the internet.

ariesbull:
Kue and kwe aren't the same thing and there is nothing like kue in benin that I know ....so stop these lies ...it's not helping your case...what is meaning of Kue if there is anything like that in your Benin

Do you speak Edo language?

If you do, then you will not be arguing blindly about "kue" in Edo language.

For your education, "kue" in Edo language means "agree".

Once a man can tame his joystick or third leg, 80% of all his life problems is solved.

HathawayStark:
Ok boss, i will ring your number later to discuss it

You sure 11m will finish this?

Senioradvocate:
Op when you say he is a manager with GNLD
there I know he is not only a poor man but a very useless man. Those folks are miserable nothing dem get except making mouth.

Then when I was still job hunting in Port Harcourt I ran into some of them. At first I saw a poster on the street and I thought it was real, I call the number and they ask me to come for interview and send me the address of the venue somewhere at mile 3, diobu in Port Harcourt, I arranged my CV and my credentials, do small reading to freshen up my brian just in case. On getting to the destination I called their number as instructed they send one small boy to come out and pick me to the venue. On getting there na so small small children gather dey use my head. After that they directed us to a big hall, the speaker of the day was one beautiful Owerri girl (my specI must say). This girl wash our brain, talk up and down boasting how much she had made through the GNLD boasting of millions in account and her cars, and I noticed few of us were just victim of job hunting, I played along. After everything they asked us to paid some money which I paid. To cut the long story short after everything I collect madam number, we became friends, I lured her out some other days, buy her gifts, with dinner and she gave in. The next day I invited her home she came na so I fuccck her to hell and back I make sure say I fuccck her with annoyance, after every every I took her to the gate, open the gate and push her outside she demanded for transport back home I told her to use her money, she replied she doesn't have money I replied her call ur driver shut back the gate, she held on the gate and beg please don't do this to me 😀 I reminded her all her huge money in her account 😂😂😂 how she was boasted, locked the gate, switch off my phone and went inside, I didn't know how she managed go home with the kind fuccck wey I fuccck her that night, from GRA phase 2 along Olu Obasanjo road to Elimgbu wey madam GNLD live I don't know the miracle wey she carry reach home cos I know she was so broke. Perhaps she don do two shut time for street that night take go home cos there ashawoooooooo and customers dey plenty for that street.

This was funny till the part you employed physical/sexual abuse on her. She has done nothing to deserve such abuse.

Dont do this to someone else daughter or sister, it may not end well.

Are you serious like this?

A picture of the property is worth more than writing plenty words

Simple solution...
Get storage containers and fill it when there is water.

StrikeBack:
What pisses me off most times is this “I pray” why do we leave all important stuff to God?

Why can’t we search deeper and solve our problems?

We spend too much time with religion

Exactly!

The african man has been indoctrinated and brainwashed to always believe in things he can do himself

I pray her head is still intact.

smalldivk111:
Propaganda 😂😂

Since its propaganda, give us the correct news

Christistruth03:
But I gave you proof that the Obatala dynasty of Kings that ruled Ife before Oduduwa were already using Oba before Oduduwa ruled Ife

The kings of Benin called Igodomigodo at that time were called Ogiso then

Obalufon was an 11th Century Ooni of Ife

So Obatala fairytales is what you call proof.
Stop spreading ignorance on the internet please

Christistruth03:
You can also see that in the Last Document from 1937 the Ruler of Ipokia was called the Oba of Ipokia

Bros you are funny!

We say you should bring proof of Yoruba using Oba for their kings you are bringing 1937...

We didn't ask for modern proof. Stop playing

otr1:
Impact of Benin on Lagos?
We're talking about the Yorubas in general and not just Lagos.
That Benin had some influence on Lagos doesn't stop the fact that the word "Oba" is originally a Yoruba word. I already gave an explanation on that.
If Benin influenced Lagos, the Yorubas have also influenced the Binis centuries before. The evidences still abound till this minute.

Your main point is flawed!

The Oba word is an Edo traditional title.

Yoruba never had Oba as title for their kings until about a 100 hundred years ago.

Christistruth03:
The Obatala dynasty of Kings ruled Ile Ife before Oduduwa defeated the last Obatala king

Being dated 1992, this paper you quoted is revisionism at best.

wytecat:
These are facts!

The ancient Binis were Yoruba.

Oba has no clear-cut meaning in other language but Yoruba.

Eko has no clear-cut meaning in any other language, but Yoruba.

Bini empire began with a Yoruba sent from Ile Ife.

Republic of Benin named after the body of water.

Benin republic pays homage to Ile Ife and nowhere else.

Itsekiri share language with Yoruba not with "Benin". Languages point to people's roots. Even the Olukunmi deep in delta still have their Yoruba language.

The modern day "Benin" are mostly ibos or mixed, I've said this in the past, everything about them is confusion. Forget their theory of a rat giving birth to an elephant, the true Bini emperor was a Yoruba from Ile Ife and was not as ruthless as made to believe, it was just added for feel-good measures.

Lagos was NEVER conquered by any forces outside Yoruba territories, this is the reason the language and names are still Yoruba. Conquerors live their marks via names and language, the reality on ground is Yoruba conquered Benin if anything because we don't speak the same language yet Yoruba language is used by Benin in worshipping gods, in the palace and naming, abeg it doesn't take a rocket science to know where the head has always been.

Who told you Oba has no meaning in Edo?

Some of you just come online and spew trash.

The daily greetings in Edo language have Oba incorporated into them. That tells you how the deep rooted the word Oba is in Edo language.

If you dont understand Edo language, dont come online and say Oba only has meaning in Yoruba.

otr1:
We have Ooni, Alafin, Awujale, Osamawe and the rest because the word "oba" is not a title, but a proper noun. All traditional rulers in Yorubaland are Obas because they "ba" on everything in their domain and that's why they have their specific names.
The word "Oba" has two syllables, O/ba. In Yoruba, the "O" means "the one", while the "ba" means "rules". That's why we say "Oba "ba" l'ori oun gbogbo which means, a King "rules" over everything.
The Binis most certainly adopted the name "Oba" as the title of their ruler from the Yorubas.
How can it be the other way round when we have people bearing Yoruba names inside Bini palace and some of their incantations being said in Yoruba words?
They don't know the meaning of Oba beyond being the title of their King.

This your story is obviously like turning truth on its head.

Yorubas were never known to use the word Oba for their Kings.

Only the Edos did that and we have just one Oba. Other traditional rulers in Edo have other titles just like its done in Yoruba land.

The adoption of the word Oba as a title for Kingship in Yoruba land is a recent happening not even up to 200 hundred years.

Bulaba is working...

He is actually continuing from where bubu stopped.

By the time Bulaba is finished with Nigeria, dollar will become 1500 naira and as usual agbadorians will be singing his praise.

Hmm

Since the president of the country is documented drug baron, its very okay if the young citizens are towing same path...

No problem here.

Whatever you do, never come back to this failure of a country.

Its a shitt hole that progressively gets worse and worse in all area of human life.