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Eruditor:
Madrid peaked 2003 and signed poorly to replace those players so they suffered. From 2007, the new rebuilding process took shape and by 2009 that team was reaching its peak. Pellegrini had 96pts with that team. They fired him because they felt he was not fully maximising the peak of the team so they hired Mou. He did only one better by winning league. He did not maximise the team so he too was fired. Then Carlo and Zidane did the rest.

Pep met Barca that had passed their peak. Rijkaard signed aged already established players and they helped him from 2003-2006. By 2007 they lost their way. They let him try but by 2008 it was clear he could not maximise their potential so they fired him. Which is where the story gets interesting. They wanted a manager to maximise the team's potential but Pep said I will get rid of Ronnie..Deco etc and rebuild. Enjoy the ride.

That is why your structure argument was rubbish. That is why your Mou and UCL arguments are rubbish.

No need for long Epistles .
For the six seasons before Mourinho came to Madrid, tell us the round in which they were eliminated from the Champions league that's all I asked you

sleekdot:
This generational talent did not score 20 goals a season before Pep

The evidence is there for everyone to see. Messi production before Pep and after Pep

Messi 06/07 - 17 goals in all competition
Messi 07/08 - 16 goals in all competition

Enter Pep Guardiola

Messi 08/09 - 38 goals in all compeition (More than doubled previous season)
Messi 09/10 - 47 goals in all competition
Messi 10/11 - 53 goals in all competition

You are spreading fallacy. Messi is a generational talent Be careful. Which other Messi has pep created?

kendrick93:
imagine...Messi wey I don hear since 2005 to be next maradona....
As at 2007 there were already calls that he was going to be the greatest player ever.... Messi was already amongst the best players In the world before anybody for this world even know they were calling Pep...
Hahhaaha....

Don't mind dayo. Messi was a generational talent right from his debut at Barca. He is spreading fallacy

kendrick93:
na so...that martinez- Bastian combo was so good but Pep destroyed that midfield before it even got started...he even stunted Alaba's growth by shifting him all over the pitch....
I remembered Alaba was the best LB in europe under Juup....
Alaba has still not hit those heights ever since

Now they want to claim the team had already peaked when guardiola rubbish style was hindering the team. Pep ruined Bayern

sleekdot:
Muller scored his highest number of goals under Pep Guardiola
Robben said he improved under Pep like he never did under any other coach(He played under Mourinho and Ancelotti)

Should we add those to pep achievement at Bayern?

Eruditor:
Stop changing mouth.

You was there when Pep won the league. You met Madrid who had not won in 2 seasons and still got bitch-slapped by Pep.

Mourinho league title was the first for Madrid in 4 seasons. That's the fact. He did not inherit a team that won the previous championship by 24fecking point like your fraud did at Bayern

Eruditor:
Stop changing mouth.

You was there when Pep won the league. You met Madrid who had not won in 2 seasons and still got bitch-slapped by Pep.

Mourinho league title was the first for Madrid in 4 seasons. That's the fact. He did not inherit a team that won the previous championship by 24fecking point like your fraud did.

Eruditor:
Hahaha hahaha

Broke up partnership of Martinez who had a really bad injury Pep's first seasons and was out for almost a season?

Did Schweiny ever tell you he had a problem with Pep?
What about Robben? Muller? Lahm? Alaba?

Lol.

Go and watch Bayern of 2015/16 highlights and compare with with 2011/12 or 2012/13.

Robben said he thought he was past it but Pep actually improved him.

LMFAO man said highlight. What about Muller,lahm? Brought a style of player that got Bayern demolished and gang raped by Spanish merchant. Took a treble winning team and couldn't get to a champions league final. Peaked my ass. Guardiola was a failure that's why they couldn't get to another final

Eruditor:
4 seasons after Mou tell us what they achieved in the same UCL?

For the six seasons before Mourinho came to Madrid, tell us the round in which they were eliminated from the Champions league? That was the team Mourinho meet while his successors meet regular semi finalist

sleekdot:
I am disputing

It was before Mourinho won. Are you disputing the fact that before Mourinho won Barca Didn't win the league thrice.

sleekdot:
Pep made Messi, he converted him from a winger into a false 9 and we saw the effect on the goals sheet

Fallacy. Messi was always a generational talent. With or without pep he would have dominated. He didn't make shittt but helped developed him.

Eruditor:
Hahaha haha.

Young and Hungry.

Ok Pep left 2015/16.

That is almost 4 years ago.

That is enough time to prove the team had not peaked.

Use RM as a case study.

What team? Which part of pep ruined Bayern don't you understand. The team pep already scattered and changed. Broke up the partnership of Martinez and Schwin.with other rubbish he did

sleekdot:
But Rijkaard did not win trophies with the team, he actually went trophyless. Are you sayng you are a better coach than Rijkaard

And yesterday I showed that Only Valdez, Etoo and Puyol were the starting players in the 2009 final that were also in the starting 11 of the 2006 final with rijkaard

They were champions league semi finalist. Add context to your trophyless.

sleekdot:
You havent told us the 3 seasons Barcelona won the league before Mourinho

Are you disputing the fact that before Mourinho won the league Barca won thrice in a row or Madrid only won 1 in 4

Eruditor:
So Mou was not getting disgraced? How then did he not make the final?

For the six seasons before Mourinho came to Madrid, tell us the round in which they were eliminated from the Champions league?

Eruditor:
The logic is easy to prove. Because even after Pep nobody reached that same height (in fact went lower). And now Bayern are trying to rebuild. Hence the Gnabry, (trying to sign Sané), etc etc

You logic is easy to decode. Pep ruined them with his rubbish style and now they are trying to get far away from his nonsense. What rubbish peaked? The Bayern team were young and hungry.

Eruditor:
Bare minimum.

But Jupp did not get that memo when he won nothing his 2nd season?

Jupp in 2 seasons took Bayern to 2 Champions league final,won the treble and destroyed the championship breaking all kind of records also by 24 fuckin point gap. Are you still excusing pep failures.

sleekdot:
Mourinho coaching Ronaldo and Kaka(2 Balon dors) won how many league titles? The same league Capello and Schuster won

Guardiola took a team that went to three finals in 4 yrs and fresh from winning a treble to getting disgraced regularly in the Champions league. What do you call such a coach?

Eruditor:
Chai you beat me to it.

I was trying to lure him into this and then hitting him on his head.

Why won't you claimed they peaked when pep couldn't reach the heights of jupp or even Van gaal by reaching a champions league final.

Eruditor:
I agree Mou did better than the people before him in some things. But time has proven that he failed woefully.

Time has now justified Pep.

Justified pep as a failure for ruining Bayern who were going to the Champions league final regularly. 3 finals before him 0 after him. That shows you the damaged he did

Eruditor:
Because Dortmund had 66 points.

Pep also won the league with 90pts (Jupp had 91) only difference was Dortmund had 71 pts that year. Lol

There was nothing impressive about pep 3 league titles at Bayern. He did the bare minimum. Man was a failure.

sleekdot:
List the years Barcelona won the league thrice in a row before Mourinho came

Mind you Mourinho came in 2010

Before Mourinho won the league at Madrid,they had only won one league title in 4yrs. Are you disputing that ?

popizaino:
In comparison to Pep guardiola he failed.

Pep guardiola had 3 league titles

Mourinho had one league title

When you called pep guardiola a failure at Bayern Munich for failing to make ucl finals making reference to the number of finals those previous coaches made did you consider the number of league titles?

Lol Pep won league with the strongest team in the championship. What an achievement. A league jupp won with 24points gap.

sleekdot:
That is because Bayern team peaked in 2013 and the only way forward was downwards

How come Mourinho didnt make the CL final with Madrid while his successors made it

For the six seasons before Mourinho came to Madrid, tell us the round in which they were eliminated from the Champions league?

sleekdot:
Madrid won the league 07/08 Mourinho took over 2010

Lol before Mourinho came Barca won the league thrice in a role. That is one in 4yrs.

Eruditor:
Lol.

With Pep 3 semi finals as well (consecutively) other managers never achieved.

So if Pep damaged Bayern (which is rubbish because you said anybody will win a league with them).

How come the same anybodies who can win league with Bayern are finding it hard to get to the same SFs he was getting to yet anybodies in RM were winning the UCL that Mou could not win?

The same excuses you gave pep for not getting to any champions league final like the 2 former coaches did also use it for them. For the six seasons before Mourinho came to Madrid, tell us the round in which they were eliminated from the Champions league?

popizaino:
Mourinho was a big failure at Madrid.

One league title with those superstars at their prime.

No ucl

Got knocked out by the borussia dortmund of this world.

Give pep guardiola that real Madrid team for any number of years and no team will lift any trophy real Madrid compete in. #factsonly

Yes Pep was a success at Bayern for getting demolished and raped by Spanish teams and winning a League jupp won with a 24point gap. Man won a 34game championship with 24fecking point gap.

Eruditor:
How can you not see this is a false equivalence?

You want to claim Mou succeeded because of what others did not achieve before him but won't allow the argument that he failed because others achieved more after him.

Yet want to claim Pep failed because others went to finals more (they did not achieve more) but don't want to accept that others after him did less than him.

I am not claiming anything. If you believe pep was a success at Bayern then automatically Mourinho was a success at Madrid. What ever your opinion on pep time at Bayern is automatically what will be used to judge Mourinho time at Madrid.

popizaino:
With this fergie also failed with man united from within this time frame 2000 - 2008

So you finally agreed pep failed at Bayern?

Eruditor:
I know you don't know what light years means in the context.

He is saying the way Pep came into Bayern is different than how Mou came into RM. Essentially claiming Mou getting to 3 SFs was a big deal because other coaches before were not getting there.

Can you see why I did not waste words? Because he is doing the before/after argument.

The very same thing you are refusing to let me do.

Mehn...catch up.

. Before Pep Bayern 3 champions final in 4 years. After pep 0. Man damaged Bayern.

Before Mourinho...Madrid 6 successive round of 16 elimination..... With Mourinho 3 semi finals....after Mourinho 4 Champions league trophies.

Are you happy now .

Eruditor:
Yea. Neither did Mou.
But one still has a job and can still do it.

If pep is a success at Bayern so was Mourinho at Madrid.

sleekdot:
Why did Ancelotti not even make the same semi that Pep made

Why did pep not a make a Champions league final Bayern were going to regularly before he came?