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Eruditor:
So every Bayern coach must be judged off the UCL?

LOL.

It means only Jupp was a success. Getting to the final is rubbish. Poch and Wenger have done it.

Pep couldn't get to the rubbish at Bayern or at city. Try harder

popizaino:
Can you tell us how many league titles they won in those years?

When you called Mourinho a failure did you tell us how many league titles Madrid have won the previous seasons before he took over.

Kimbeast:
This ain't it chief. Madrid winning 4 ucl after Mourinho left does not help your argument. The conditions in which both came into both teams is light years apart.

Eruditor is daft. Madrid winning the Champions league in 2018 helped Mourinho in 2013 . Just imagine the rubbish.

Eruditor:
Lol.

Let me tell you how you judge success.

Mou was successful at Inter because nobody after him could achieve what he achieved.

Now use that to judge Pep. Lol

Pep was a failure at Bayern. Before him 3 Champions league finals in 4 years. With him and after 0 finals. Hence why everybody agrees pep destroyed Bayern with his rubbish style of play.

Eruditor:
You are worse than Smalltihex and he is the poster child for pseudo-intellectualism.

The team did not get to SFs but won 4 UCLs after him. Success.

The team got to 3 finals before Pep. Then stopped smelling SFs after he went. Failure.

Does your head not pain you from all the pus in your brain?

Can't you see how daft you are . We are talking about Mourinho time at Madrid and comparing it to pep time at Bayern you are talking of what happened after when the metric should be what happened before they took over. You just confirmed what I knew ever since.

Eruditor:
You are not talking about his time in Bayern you were talking about Mou in Inter and Porto.

I have to play the same false equivalence with you.

No he did not win those at Bayern. He only won 7 other titles at Bayern which no other Bayern coach had done in 3 years before.

No popizaino said Mourinho time at Madrid was a failure and pep time at Bayern was a success which is garbage. That's what brought us here. You guys are the one shifting from that to six trophies,fergie treble,Inter Milan,Klopp etc

Eruditor:
I am not arguing that he did not get to a final.

Same way Mou did not get to a final and 2 coaches WON (not just got to a final) 4 UCL titles after him.

But Pep's rubbish style of play is what gave Bayern 7 titles when he was there.

His rubbish style has won 7 titles for City as well.

Mou's own got him sacked.

And now we are back to the basics. Thank God you finally agreed pep failed at Bayern when it comes to the Champions league. Mourinho meet a team that haven't gotten the quarter final in 6 successive seasons at Madrid while pep meet a Bayern than went to three finals in 4yrs and just won a treble. Only a daft mind will even smsay those 2 circumstances are equal. If pep is a success to you at Bayern then so is Mourinho at Madrid.

Eruditor:
Before Pep which other coach in the world won 6 trophies in one season?

You are just like dayo. You both like bringing irrelevant things when you can't counter a point. We are talking about pep failures at Bayern you are bringing up six trophies . Did he win those at Bayern?

sleekdot:
So Pep is responsible for the results of Juup Ancelotti and Kovac after him? I dont see you crediting Mancini for the success of Mourinho at Inter

I forgot Mancini took inter to the Champions league final and also won the treble before Mourinho.

Pep is responsible for damaging Bayern and his rubbish is still felt.

Eruditor:
All you care about is that Pep lost 4 league games last season. Klopp only lost one.

All you don't care about is Pep won the league and Klopp did not.

Stupido1

Are we still talking about pep failures at Bayern or were are you jumping to?

Eruditor:
[s] Yes. So let us use your argument style.

LVG got to a final. Then next season he was finishing 3rd (you claimed any Bayern coach will win league..so rubbish).

After Pep, Ancelotti that disgraced Pep faced his own RM side now as he was coaching Bayern. How did it end? In tears.

Jupp faced RM that disgraced Pep. How did it end? The same way as Pep.

Your argument is therefore dead on arrival. Why?

Because, winning the league with Bayern is not a given - a UCL finalist did not do it.

Winning RM is not a given - Jupp who did it before failed.

So hate Pep all you want..but to claim Bayern should have won 2-3 UCLs is rubbish [/s].

Another eye sore

Before Pep 2 coaches took Bayern to 3 finals in 4 years. Regular customers in champions league finals. During pep and after Pep how many champions league final did they make? Pep ruined Bayern with his rubbish style of play
Be shameful for once and accept pep was a failure at Bayern.

Eruditor:
Yes Mou did. Because they won the UCL after he inherited them.

Pep was getting disgraced? Lol. After Pep other Bayern coaches still lost to RM abi?

Before Mourinho when did inter and Porto get to the Champions league semi final talk less of even the final?


Simple explanation Pep ruined Bayern.

Eruditor:
It is literally the stupidest argument to make except you are explaining someone who has never won.

That is why I said..when you talk about away record juxtapose it with home record. Why is thinking so hard for you?

Do you know Man City lost 2-1 to Basel after winning away 4-0?

Or that Barca under Pep drew 1-1 with Madrid after winning away 2-0?

Nobody cares about home or away. They just want you to qualify.

Pep's bayern best Barca 3-2. He beat ATM 2-1.

But he did not qualify so nobody cares.

He beat Tottenham 4-3. Beat Monaco 5-3. But he did not qualify. So nobody cares.

If you want to talk about home record you are welcome to do so with A40. All I care about is Pep disgraceful Away record in the champions league knock out stages.

sleekdot:
Ferguson won the treble in 1999, who ruined that Man Utd that made them not to make another CL final for almost a decade

You have jumped from Lagos to London and I am not coming with you. The Koko is before pep Bayern made 3 finals in 4 years under 2 different coaches. Can you tell us how many final they made with pep and after Pep ?

sleekdot:
Since he left, how many times has Bayern made the final or

Thank God you asked. Prove 1.1 like I told you before that pep ruined that generation. Before he came 3 finals in 4 years. After he came how many finals did they make?

Eruditor:
Good, you have now accepted that your reasoning is rubbish.

I just did what you did. I used the achievement of those teams to decide they were the best teams. See how that works out?

Don't forget, that best team got beat by Chelsea that were 5th in the league and had lost 3-1 to Lazio.

That best team lost all matches against Klopp the previous season.

That best team lost 5-2 to Klopp in a final.

You did nothing. Did Mourinho inherit the best team in Europe at both inter and Porto or what rubbish were you typing. Before pep Bayern former 2 coaches carried them to 3 champions league finals in 4yrs. Pep came and was getting disgraced up and down.

sleekdot:
What is the point of away record if your have a home record good enough to blow the away record

Its like saying a boxer has a weak left hand when his right hand wins his bouts for him

We saw how his home record enabled him blow away teams at Bayern and led them to win the Champions league constantly.

Eruditor:
That is why I said spillo1 is a misnomer.

I said when you are here to talk about away record do not forget what the return leg was.

As if Klopp does not have a losing away record too.

For feck sake. This was the part of A40 post I was referring to.

"Why is it that you can almost bet that a Pep side will always fail to score away from home?? And lack defensive solidity to keep a clean sheet in his building Everytime."

Pep away record is trash. If you can't defend that then leave it be. Nobody is talking about home record did you see me list jupp home record.

Eruditor:
[s] Revisionism is so wonderful.

So in like manner, Inter were the best team in Europe when Mou won a treble with them. He did nothing special.

Porto were the best team as well. He did nothing special.

He took a RM team capable of winning 4 UCLs and crashed out of the UCL SFs back to back..shameless hack just like you. [/s]

You just typed rubbish.

Eruditor:
Arsenal 5-1 Pep
United 2-0
Shaktar 7-0
Porto 6-1
Juventus 4-2

Etc etc

Don't forget to include those in the return leg. Oponu.

Can't you read or what. It was clearly stated Pep woo full away record you are here mis yarning.

shedo4sure:
against dis current squad
I like ur faith bro, buh let's face d reality, this team can't get nt even a draw against Liverpool. Mark my words.

We should have half of our Starting players back by then(Pogba, Shaw, Martial, Lindelolf, Wan Bissaka). Football has a funny way of surprising you when you least expect it.

shedo4sure:
Rip United

All of you are just saying rubbish. When last did Liverpool win us at old Trafford. You will be shocked next week.

Eruditor:
Your name should be stupido1

The same Bayern that lost at home to Arsenal.

I don't know how you and the other daft guy cannot see that it is absolutely foolish to use a team's achievement after an act to determine their rank before the act.

Or else Inter had the best team in Europe in 2009/10.

LMFAO you have been shouting Bayern lost to arsenal like it's doing you any favors. Did pep barca win all their matches or because they lost to arsenal they are no longer great or what rubbish are you trying to prove. I am using the team achievement after the act to determine their rank which made them the best team in Europe.Their league campaign was exceptional they broke numerous records and in Europe they eliminated Arsenal,juventus,trashed barca and conquered Dortmund.Not once were they outplayed. jupp inherited a team that went to the champions league final in 2010 and in 2 years took them to back to back finals and won the treble. A successor with a brain. Pep took treble winners to constant bitch slapping in the champions league.

A40:
There is no evidence that suggests Tito (rest his soul) would have done anything spectacular if he was healthy or not.

Bayern were not clear favorites going into the tie. It was very much 50-50. No Bayern fan dare predicted it would end in a rout



This is still under probability. There is no telling what could have happened whether he coached or not

So are you saying Tottenham could have lost 10-1 if the assistant was on the touch line or what? The presence of the head coach guarantees nothing!!


The players flourished but each time Bayern went away from home in a CL tie we always got beaten. Ask yourself from Bayern to City what is it about Pep's tactics that he cannot buy an away goal and neither can he keep a home clean sheet vs any decent side in elimination situations.

Why is it that you can almost bet that a Pep side will always fail to score away from home?? And lack defensive solidity to keep a clean sheet in his building Everytime.

Look at Pep woo full away record.

Pep record away champions league knock out stage with Bayern

2:0 Arsenal
1:1 United
0:1 Real Madrid
0:0 Shakhtar
1:3 Porto
0:3 FC Barcelona
2:2 Juventus
2:2 Benfica
0:1 Atletico M
1 win 4draws 4 loss GA:13 GF: 8


Jupp Heynckes: with Bayern
0:1 Basel
2:0 Marseille
1:2 Real Madrid
3:1 Arsenal
2:0 Juventus
3:0 FC Barcelona
3:1 Besiktas
2:1 Sevilla

6 Wins, 2 Losses. GF16: GA 6 Goals.

Eruditor:
See, I will wash you with facts. I just don't think you are worth it. Stop yarning opaks.

The eventual achievements of a team is not necessarily a testament to how good they were prior to it. Even SAF said his 2007/08 United was better than the treble winning team yet it was the 1999 team that won the treble.

Bayern were one of the best..YES. Were they the best team? BIG FAT LIE.

Compare RM and Barcelona squads to that Bayern and advise yourself.

Now I know you are drunk. The same Barcelona that got demolished and battered home and away. Guardiola inherited the best team in Europe no white washing will change that.

Eruditor:
How can 2-0 loss be dead rubber when if AFC score another goal, Bayern are out?

What rubbish lie am I reading like this about first 11?

Bayern were the better team no doubt but losing to Arsenal that way shows they were not that "best team in Europe" like the other guy was claiming. That is fa fa fa foul.

They were not fantastic in the group stages. Even Dortmund, in a far more difficult group, did better.

They were solid, and deserved to win the UCL especially as the season progressed. But you see that narrative about them being the best team in Europe? That is a lie.

You are typing garbage. Nobody who watched Bayern through out the entire campaign will say they were not the best team in Europe unless blinded by bias like you are. Which team was better than Bayern when guardiola inherited them and proceeded to wreck them.

Kimbeast:
That game was the master class of Schweinsteiger and Martinez. They made Barca midfield and attack toothless and devoid of ideas. Never seen the xavi, iniesta and busquets midfield dominated like that.

Guardiola came in and destroyed a perfect partnership to accommodate his useless system.

sleekdot:
Juup came back coached the team and he didnt win the treble. He was eliminated by Madrid and even by Kovac in the Cup

Which part of pep ruined that generation don't you understand.

kendrick93:
They were real life examples of 'German Machines'.
If juup had stayed or manager like klopp had taken charge,that team would have won at least two more Champions league

Stop reading my mind lol.

Greatihex:
God bless you for the bold. Ozokwa. Chukwu gozie gi.

Na their counter dey blow me away.

They played absolute perfect football. If they had stayed with Heycnkes they probably would've won the treble again but no. Pep the fraud came with his rubbish tiki taka and was getting raped in the Champions league.

Kimbeast:
In seriousness, that team underacheived tremendously by winning only one Champions league from 2011 till now, should've won atleast 2-3. I don't think Pep's coaching style suited them.

Considering the talent they possessed , they will be disappointed to have only won one Champions league in this decade. Their era reminds me my team era from 2006-2011. We should have won more than one champions league. Thunder will strike Chelsea and that anyhow Barca team.

Eruditor:
You are actually dumb.

Arsenal beat Bayern 2-0.

In fact that team qualified on away goals 3-3.

Bayern were one of the best. Not the best. So sharrap.

Why are you blinded by bias. Bayern were undoubtedly the best team in Europe. They demolished and raped Barca. I was even more impressed on how they nullified Juventus home and away.


I called them “German Machines“. That season was played with absolute desire amd hunger. They wanted to win it all and had all neccesary tools to do so. What you are saying about that team is fallacy.


They were excellent and efficient in every aspect of their game. Could play any kind of game whether it was possession-based, counter-attacking, low block, high press, narrow or wide.

They turned the allianz arena into a slaughter house both locally and continentally that season.
If ever there was one example of when anger drove a team, that bayern would be it.

Pep ruined that generation.